[HN Gopher] The race between Intel, Samsung, and TSMC to ship th...
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       The race between Intel, Samsung, and TSMC to ship the first 2 nm
       chip
        
       Author : himaraya
       Score  : 16 points
       Date   : 2023-12-11 17:24 UTC (5 hours ago)
        
 (HTM) web link (arstechnica.com)
 (TXT) w3m dump (arstechnica.com)
        
       | h2odragon wrote:
       | When they get below "1nm" what measure will the switch to; and
       | will it have even less relationship with any reality?
        
         | Baldbvrhunter wrote:
         | The nm nomenclature is nominal and not an actual measurement. i
         | It's a concept of the level of improvement. Also not what TSMC
         | uses
         | 
         | https://www.pcgamer.com/intel-renames-process-nodes-intros-a...
        
         | thunderbird120 wrote:
         | Intel is using angstroms, so their "2nm" node is "20A" and the
         | "1.8nm" node is "18A". These of course still don't have any
         | more relationship with the physical size of the transistors
         | than previous Intel, TSMC, or Samsung nodes but it keeps it
         | relatively clean without needing a decimal point in the name.
        
       | 222i222i2m wrote:
       | I hope Intel and Samsung will have much success, because TSMC
       | betrayed customers by exclusively providing all top-level
       | manufacturing capacity only to Apple and handling anyone else as
       | a second class citizen.
        
         | itishappy wrote:
         | Everyone else _is_ a second class citizen. Apple brings in more
         | than TSMC 's next 3 largest customers combined.
        
         | Schiendelman wrote:
         | Uhhh they provide plenty to anyone who bids. Nvidia uses them.
        
         | astrange wrote:
         | TSMC's success is partially that they're the only company who
         | promises not to compete with their customers, because they
         | don't make their own chips like Intel and Samsung do.
        
       | huytersd wrote:
       | I'm all team America now. Having a lot of our chips made in a
       | factory on the other side of the world is appalling and hugely
       | distressing.
        
         | Detrytus wrote:
         | I'm currently investing in Intel as a way of hedging the risk
         | of Chinese invasion of Taiwan. Once the TSMC factories are
         | bombed the competition for Intel will basically disappear
         | overnight.
        
           | idonotknowwhy wrote:
           | I'm investing in INTC as well, but I really hope this bombing
           | and war never happen and would rather my INTC plummets...
        
       | Havoc wrote:
       | Is intel anywhere near 2? I thought they're stuck somewhere in
       | 7/10 land
        
         | Schiendelman wrote:
         | 3 and 2 from TSMC are divorced from the actual component
         | spacing - they're all pretty close in terms of actual
         | technological advancements, they just don't all use the same
         | marketing for process names.
        
       | jbverschoor wrote:
       | Why is Intel on this list?
        
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