[HN Gopher] Eleanor Cross
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Eleanor Cross
Author : Thevet
Score : 42 points
Date : 2023-12-11 05:47 UTC (17 hours ago)
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| ChrisMarshallNY wrote:
| That's pretty cool.
|
| Edward I was the "bad guy" in _Braveheart_. As always, things
| tend to be more complex than we want to believe.
|
| My father[0] was a really interesting chap. He was deeply steeped
| in diplomacy and foreign relations, and would gently correct me,
| every time I made some absolutist statement ("They should
| just..."). He'd point out that, in _our_ culture, it 's OK for us
| to say this, but when we say the same thing in _their_ culture,
| it actually means... etc.
|
| [0] https://cmarshall.com/miscellaneous/MikeMarshall.htm
| pdonis wrote:
| _> Edward I was the "bad guy" in Braveheart. As always, things
| tend to be more complex than we want to believe._
|
| Braveheart was criticized for many historical inaccuracies (my
| personal favorite is the scene near the end when Isabella of
| France tells Edward I that the child she will have, who will
| inherit the English throne, is by Wallace, not Edward's son--
| which couldn't possibly be true since, first, Edward II didn't
| even marry Isabella until after his father Edward I was dead,
| and second, Edward III, who succeeded Edward II, wasn't born
| until 1312, seven years after William Wallace died). However,
| it is true that Edward I had William Wallace hanged, drawn, and
| quartered for treason against England. (Which, since Scotland
| was a separate kingdom from England at the time, does seem a
| bit much.)
| ChrisMarshallNY wrote:
| I think that Longshanks' claim to fame, is that he united a
| much larger part of the British Isles, than anyone before.
|
| That is usually done with a fair bit of brutality, as anyone
| that has looked past the rose-colored glasses, at the Roman
| Empire, can tell you.
| pdonis wrote:
| Quite true, but it's worth noting that Longshanks did _not_
| succeed in unifying Scotland with England. (He did conquer
| Wales before he invaded Scotland, which was certainly a
| significant unification.) What eventually unified Scotland
| with England was dynastic turnover (James VI of Scotland
| succeeding Elizabeth I to the throne of England), not war.
| (Although the unification did end up being enforced by war
| in the 1700s.)
| 1-more wrote:
| > That is usually done with a fair bit of brutality
|
| Kicking out the Jews as an example. I know you probably
| know I just feel like it's worth having down in print here.
| thriftwy wrote:
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Struve_Geodetic_Arc
| webwielder2 wrote:
| If you like semi-ancient pillars
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marian_and_Holy_Trinity_column...
| vr46 wrote:
| The Charing Cross, erm, cross is marvellous and yet so badly
| situated, the mind boggles. My ex-girlfriend was a tour guide and
| filled me in on it about twenty-five years ago and NOTHING has
| improved.
|
| Look at where it is on the satellite image:
|
| https://maps.app.goo.gl/A7ZF3acr35XnN1AX7?g_st=ic
| OJFord wrote:
| I'm not sure what you mean, but it's not the original location
| (or design) according to the OP.
|
| It has been there since 1865 though, so if you think it's
| awkward wrt the infrastructure that's developed since then
| really it's the other way around and I'm not sure who you
| expected to do what over the last 25y? Or am I missing a joke?
| vr46 wrote:
| It's a replica, for sure, but it is still a commemorative
| monument, and it was specifically commissioned by the railway
| company and restored about fifteen years ago, with some
| bollards added to protect it from cars, but it's forlorn and
| feels neglected sat shielded by the railing and then across a
| car park. I was leaning against it a few months ago waiting
| for a friend, lamenting that so much of London's heritage and
| history gets so much attention and this poor thing is almost
| designed to be ignored.
| pugworthy wrote:
| TIL how "Charing Cross" got its name. I always just thought
| "Cross" as in crossing - as in lots of streets crossing.
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