[HN Gopher] Why Tesla Autopilot shouldn't be used in as many pla...
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Why Tesla Autopilot shouldn't be used in as many places as you
think
Author : tallowen
Score : 19 points
Date : 2023-12-10 17:18 UTC (5 hours ago)
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| thebruce87m wrote:
| > More than 800,000 vehicles have Autopilot
|
| While this is technically true, since Autopilot is a standard
| feature isn't it more accurate to say that every Tesla ( almost
| 5,000,000 vehicles) has Autopilot?
| drewnick wrote:
| Every Tesla from late 2014 onward. My May 2014 Tesla has no
| autopilot. That really hurt at first... buy a car for over
| $100k and it's obsolete a few months later when Autopilot and
| dual motor were announced.
| thebruce87m wrote:
| Didn't realise that, I thought they retrofitted a lot of
| hardware over the years.
| simfree wrote:
| Only if you paid for an upgrade and your car was compatible
| with said upgrade. Note that there are multiple different
| versions of these upgrades.
|
| The self-driving tech was originally powered by now Intel
| owned firm, but that firm pulled the plug on Tesla getting
| more chips from them when Tesla started making full self
| driving claims.
| ciconia wrote:
| https://archive.ph/yQwmR
| dham wrote:
| I'm not sure why Tesla's adaptive cruise control with lane assist
| is under more scrutiny than any other manufacturer. Every car has
| it at this point.
| toss1 wrote:
| Perhaps start by considering that Musk makes far grander claims
| about his "autopilot" and "full self driving" than other
| manufacturers.
|
| He's already sold many thousands of FSD upgrades with the claim
| that the cars would be worth multiple times their purchase cost
| because they could be an Uber-like self-driving 'goldmine' for
| their owners when they would be updated by 2022-23. Yet last
| year and this were full of news about how badly FSD forks up
| events such as left turns and encountering fire trucks.
|
| Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and Musk
| really hasn't put up anything more than smoke and mirrors.
|
| If you want to go further, he's also choosing to be a very
| public liar. E.g., when Alex Jones first wanted to come back to
| Twitter, Musk's public response was "My firstborn child died in
| my arms. I felt his last heartbeat, I have no mercy for anyone
| who would use the deaths of children for gain, politics or
| fame." That is as crystal clear a statement as one could make
| that Alex Jones and vile liars and child-death profiteers like
| him are unwelcome -- permanently. Yet, today less than two
| years later, Jones' account was restored. That's just the most
| recent egregious lie.
|
| So yes, making vaporware claims and taking money for them
| without fulfillment, and publicly lying about things people
| care a lot about, often merits additional scrutiny.
| meepmorp wrote:
| > Musk's public response was "My firstborn child died in my
| arms. I felt his last heartbeat, I have no mercy for anyone
| who would use the deaths of children for gain, politics or
| fame."
|
| It's worth noting that Musk's ex-wife, Justine, disputes this
| version of events.
|
| https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/justine-
| mu...
| ProjectArcturis wrote:
| So he was lying then too?
| meepmorp wrote:
| Maybe, though not all untrue things people say are lies.
| The death of a child can really fuck people up, and
| distortions of memory aren't out of the question. This is
| one situation where I'm personally willing to be
| charitable
| SkyPuncher wrote:
| I found Teslas far less predictable because it attempts to work
| in so many situations.
|
| Most adaptive cruise is "simple" distance plus "simple" check
| for lines. It's intuitive and generally easy to understand when
| it will and will not work.
|
| For me, Tesla does soooo much stuff that it's hard to figure
| out if I should plan to intervene.
| superduty wrote:
| Garbage article from the very first sentence. Par for Bezos-run
| media.
| ProjectArcturis wrote:
| I already think it should be used in zero places. They lie with
| statistics to make it seem much safer than it really is [0], and
| Autopilot has a habit of disengaging 1-2 seconds before a crash,
| which lets it escape blame [1]. Frankly it's a regulatory failure
| that let Musk sell vaporware for years.
|
| [0]
| https://www.forbes.com/sites/bradtempleton/2023/04/26/tesla-...
|
| [1] https://futurism.com/tesla-nhtsa-autopilot-report
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