[HN Gopher] Mistral's mixtral-8x7B-32kseqlen on Vercel
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       Mistral's mixtral-8x7B-32kseqlen on Vercel
        
       Author : tosh
       Score  : 52 points
       Date   : 2023-12-09 18:13 UTC (4 hours ago)
        
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       | extasia wrote:
       | Not censored it seems! Also, it's a completion rather than a chat
       | model, so it will likely not respond to commands.
        
       | antupis wrote:
       | This is first model that gets this puzzle right
       | 
       | "three missionaries and three cannibals must cross a river using
       | a boat which can carry at most two people, but these are nice
       | cannibals so they don't eat people under the any constraints, for
       | both banks, if there are missionaries present on the bank, they
       | can be outnumbered by cannibals (if they were, the cannibals
       | would not eat the missionaries). The boat cannot cross the river
       | by itself with no people on board how to solve this?
        
         | PoignardAzur wrote:
         | ... Could you reformulate the puzzle? Right now _I_ couldn 't
         | solve it.
        
           | washadjeffmad wrote:
           | As written, it's not a logistics puzzle, it's a test of
           | reading comprehension.
           | 
           | Both the missionaries and cannibals are people, and the
           | cannibals don't eat people, so neither the missionaries nor
           | cannibals are in danger of being eaten.
           | 
           | Any person may man the boat to ferry any other person across.
        
             | jerkstate wrote:
             | Why are they called cannibals if they don't eat people?
        
               | byyll wrote:
               | They are fasting.
        
         | iudqnolq wrote:
         | "they don't eat people under the any constraints" isn't
         | comprehensible. Do you mean the cannibals never eat people and
         | so any solution is valid?
         | 
         | edit: What is the solution you want? I tried plugging your
         | exact words into the model posted and got nonsense (a repeat of
         | the question and then the word "Mathematics"). If I add the
         | prefix "Solve this puzzle: " I get three obviously stupid
         | solution, including starting off with some people already
         | across or just putting all six people in the boat and ignoring
         | the capacity.
         | 
         | https://pastebin.com/raw/JLu0eGkx
        
           | vidarh wrote:
           | I think he means they won't eat missionaries if left in the
           | banks with them, but will do if in the boat with them.
        
             | iudqnolq wrote:
             | Then what about the clause about outnumbering? Regardless
             | this is clearly an unreasonable test as phrased.
        
         | Ukv wrote:
         | > but these are nice cannibals so they don't eat people under
         | the any constraints, for both banks, if there are missionaries
         | present on the bank, they can be outnumbered by cannibals (if
         | they were, the cannibals would not eat the missionaries).
         | 
         | I think I understand what you intend the puzzle to be, but
         | you're saying the opposite of what you actually mean here.
        
           | kromem wrote:
           | No, that's their intent.
           | 
           | A lot of the LLMs have trouble with variations on typical
           | logic puzzles.
           | 
           | If you change an aspect, they will still regress to
           | autocompleting the standard solution.
           | 
           | In some cases, you can still get them to solve the variation,
           | but it often takes finessing to break the token patterns
           | (things like replacing the nouns with emojis or instructing
           | that it repeat the variation parts when thinking through the
           | solution in a CoT).
           | 
           | The solution for the above should be the minimum number of
           | trips (three) taking two at a time to the other side, no
           | extra stuff.
        
       | tarruda wrote:
       | Tried Orca 2 first reasoning challenge and it responded correctly
       | (though not in a "chat" way)
       | 
       | > John and Mark are in a room with a ball, a basket and a box.
       | John puts the ball in the box, then leaves for work. While John
       | is away, Mark puts the ball in the basket, and then leaves for
       | school. They both come back together later in the day, and they
       | do not know what happened in the room after each of them left the
       | room. Where do they think the ball is?
       | 
       | GPT 3.5 turbo didn't give a correct answer
        
       | kristianp wrote:
       | The description says it's served by Fireworks. They have some
       | posts about their mixtral work here:
       | https://twitter.com/thefireworksai
        
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