[HN Gopher] Fairphone 5: Keeping it 10/10?
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Fairphone 5: Keeping it 10/10?
Author : DamonHD
Score : 35 points
Date : 2023-12-07 11:04 UTC (11 hours ago)
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| baz00 wrote:
| IP55. Nope. I'd kill that in 30 seconds. My phone case looks like
| a fish bowl on some days.
| stevehawk wrote:
| i think it's safe to say that you're not the average phone
| user.
| sowbug wrote:
| I've heard that in Japan, it's common to use phones while
| showering. My N=1 observation is that this would be unusual
| in the US.
| carstenhag wrote:
| What are you doing with it? Never had a waterproof phone, never
| needed one. I guess very few people benefit from it on a day to
| day basis. Most value is just there in case of accidents
| baz00 wrote:
| I live in the UK. It rains here. A lot. And I need to take
| calls.
| sgift wrote:
| I think you are good with IP55 in that case:
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IP_code
|
| > Water projected by a nozzle (6.3 mm (0.25 in)) against
| enclosure from any direction shall have no harmful effects.
|
| > Test duration: 1 minute per square meter for at least 3
| minutes
|
| > Water volume: 12.5 litres per minute Pressure: 30 kPa
| (4.4 psi) at distance of 3 meters (9.8 ft)
| nicoburns wrote:
| > I guess very few people benefit from it on a day to day
| basis. Most value is just there in case of accidents
|
| That's true, but some people have more accidents than others!
| If you're the sort of person who drops their phone in water
| every couple of months then a waterproof phone ends up being
| a huge cost saving.
| biomcgary wrote:
| My wife's phone died in a bucket of goat milk. All those
| calcium ions are great conductors.
| TrueGeek wrote:
| I'm surprised you're getting downvoted. The iPhone has been
| IP67 since iPhone 7 (so 7 years now). I figured more people
| appreciated this. I assume most Androids are the same. It's
| nice to be able to go kayaking and not worry about having to
| have a waterproof case. Mine once spent 10 hours in a back
| cycling jersey pocket where it rained the entire time and it
| was perfectly fine.
| baz00 wrote:
| Yes exactly that. My iPhone 13 Pro has been up mountains,
| across glaciers and through deserts (no shit it actually has)
| and it looks and works like the day I bought it.
|
| But the time it really got hammered was when it was pissing
| it down in the middle of nowhere in the UK when I was waiting
| for a train that would never come and I had to try and
| organise a taxi in an unfamiliar place. That would have
| killed the Fairphone 5 dead. It was soaked. Everything was
| soaked.
|
| Edit: I also have a Pixel 7a which is the same.
| sgift wrote:
| There's obviously a trade-off between able to open the case
| without having to glue it back together - which is kind of
| needed for good repairability - and having IP67. It don't
| think it's even possible tbh. If you have screws, you'll have
| gaps and since IP67 has to be completely dust proof (not only
| dust protected as IP5) and water proof for 30 minutes in 1m
| water it's kind of a silly ask for anything repairable.
| adolph wrote:
| > without having to glue it back together
|
| It's not like using a squirt-bottle. Just buy the seal with
| the repair part, example below.
|
| https://www.ifixit.com/products/iphone-x-display-assembly-
| ad...
| babypuncher wrote:
| I appreciate it. I like knowing my phone can survive a quick
| rinse in the sink when it gets dirty.
| prmoustache wrote:
| Having an IP67 phone is of little help if your phone end up
| at the bottom of a river/lake.
|
| Ask me how I know.
| KoftaBob wrote:
| Are you a fisherman or something?
| RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote:
| > On the other hand, the Fairphone 5 is hardly a ball of fire
| when it comes to processor power. Though it comes with the
| fastest industrial chip (not a Snapdragon) made by Qualcomm, that
| puts it squarely in the mid-range rather than rubbing shoulders
| with more exotic devices.
|
| I think performance might be what limits its actual useful life.
| I have had to replace phones more for being slow (since software
| is always eating up more and more performance) than for actual
| physical failures.
| jandrese wrote:
| CPU speed isn't usually the thing that kills a phone, it's
| running out of memory. If they oversize (or allow upgrades of)
| the memory it could easily last that long.
| carstenhag wrote:
| I think only my first Android (Samsung s3) had this
| bottleneck. The others were slow due to CPU or by being
| severely limited by the battery.
| binkHN wrote:
| > Fairphone promises five Android version upgrades and at least
| eight years of security updates, with an aim for a total lifespan
| of a decade.
|
| Impressive
| maegul wrote:
| So I'm completely out of the loop on the whole de-googling your
| Android phone thing.
|
| How workable is it today and how well would it work on a phone
| like this?
| prmoustache wrote:
| The fairphone 5 is available new preinstalled with /e/os from
| the murena store:
|
| https://murena.com/shop/smartphones/brand-new/murena-
| fairpho...
| fgeiger wrote:
| You can quite easily install the Google-freie /e/OS:
| https://doc.e.foundation/devices/FP5
|
| Murena also sells it preinstalled:
| https://murena.com/shop/smartphones/brand-new/murena-
| fairpho...
| redder23 wrote:
| VERY ironically just do NOT buy a fucking Google phone to un-
| google it. I really really like the Grahpene OS project but
| its a damn shame that is does only support Pixels and not
| Fairphones or phones that are at least privacy supporting
| from the manufacturers end.
|
| I think "hardware security" of Google phones sounds nice on
| paper but you never know if these is some NSA chip or some
| other exploit build in that the Graphene OS devs never know
| about. I do not trust Google AT ALL and would love for them
| to support different Phones, because /e/ is does not sound
| very secure in comparison, they build on Lineage OS and they
| actually lowered security to widen compatibility AFAIK and I
| guess /e/ OS is just copying + de-googling.
| potatopatch wrote:
| The de-google issue is Google's proprietary play/Gapps setup
| which expects to have higher privileges and sells itself as
| nicer APIs and cloud services to app developers. Many apps
| can just fallback since not all regions and devices use
| official Google Android, etc. The other alternatives to not
| installing any support for them are, installing them like
| normal but on your non google distribution, an emulator of
| the services like microg, or wrapping them to put them in the
| standard app cage like grapheneOS does.
| orangepurple wrote:
| Not for sale in the USA. I looked at their small whitelist of
| countries they ship to in the final step of checkout.
| sowbug wrote:
| Motivated by this article, and already thinking about handing
| down my current phone to a family member as a Christmas gift, I
| visited the Fairphone store (https://shop.fairphone.com/ though
| likely available only on Amazon in the US) and read one review
| (https://www.theverge.com/23895548/fairphone-5-review-
| price-f...). Here's why I'm holding off.
|
| 1. No wireless charging. Switching to this phone would require a
| big change in my household's ecosystem (sorry to use a big word
| for a small thing, but I can't think of a better one). We have
| $10 wireless charging discs all over the place, and it's nice to
| be able to charge whenever we set our phones down. I don't want
| to take a step backward.
|
| 2. The Verge's review suggests the camera is OK but not great.
| I've been taking Pixel photos for years, and my phone is always
| the one people ask to use for group shots at social events. I
| don't want to fuss with taking a picture ten times just to get
| the lighting right, and the Pixel almost always meets the bar on
| the first shot. It sucks that a consumption device like a phone
| has this one critical input feature, and that there is still so
| much of a computational photography gap between certain brands
| and the rest, but that's how it is, and it prevents me from
| seriously considering any of them. (This isn't unique to Pixel; I
| hear Apple does well in this area, too.)
|
| 3. Just a nit: why is the case 40 euros? I expect to pay a
| premium for the phone because of the specific compromises in the
| design and the resulting low volumes. But this is just another
| run-of-the-mill TPU case that I expect I'd have to routinely
| replace every couple years. I don't use screen protectors, but I
| have an even more allergic reaction to the 33-euro price of the
| one for sale. I know there are aftermarket options, but I'm
| already taking a risk of poor part/accessory availability in the
| future because it's a niche product, so I don't know whether
| they'll still be available when I need them years from now.
|
| By the way, I do own a Framework laptop (11th-gen CPU), and I
| like it a lot. I plan to swap out the motherboard next year.
| Unlike the Fairphone, the Framework didn't impose cost and
| performance compromises right out of the gate. I support
| sustainability, but there's only so far I'm willing to go.
| Buxato wrote:
| 1. Always sad for me to know how much popular are wireless
| chargers, wasting 47% more energy aprox for charging the same
| as a wired charger. https://debugger.medium.com/wireless-
| charging-is-a-disaster-... (too much catastrophic conclusions
| in this article but that percentage is real, you could check it
| in another tests, articles, whatever ..)
|
| 2. Totally agree with that, if camera is fundamental for you
| maybe not the right choice.
|
| 3. They also take compromises to have an ethical production,
| try to guarantee there is no exploitation as much as they
| could, from the extraction of mineral, manufacturing ... (they
| didn't do it for all, but they are advancing as far as they
| could, also with all existing certifications for that, so it's
| normal that is expensive. So our choice to value that things,
| if we could afford it, or not.
| binkHN wrote:
| > Always sad for me to know how much popular are wireless
| chargers, wasting 47% more energy aprox for charging the same
| as a wired charger.
|
| The energy waste is a shame, but the convenience factor is
| mighty high, not to mention the wear and tear on your USB-C
| port is non-existent. Maybe one point for less USB cable
| waste and tossing perfectly good phones just because their
| USB ports are damaged?
| mtmail wrote:
| This 2016 article puts the cost of charging an ipad at $1.55
| per year (iphone lower but I assume batteries got bigger or
| time). 47% wastage with wireless chrome is not much in terms
| of energy costs. https://www.zdnet.com/article/how-much-does-
| it-cost-to-charg...
| gruez wrote:
| >1. Always sad for me to know how much popular are wireless
| chargers, wasting 47% more energy aprox for charging the same
| as a wired charger. https://debugger.medium.com/wireless-
| charging-is-a-disaster-... (too much catastrophic conclusions
| in this article but that percentage is real, you could check
| it in another tests, articles, whatever ..)
|
| The percentage value looks bad but how much is that in
| absolute terms? Using the figures from the article, wireless
| charging uses 6.75 Wh more per full charge. Assuming you
| charge that much every day, that's 2.46 kWh per year, or 42
| cents at average US electricity prices[1]. I think that's a
| price worth paying for the convenience.
|
| [1] https://www.bls.gov/regions/midwest/data/averageenergypri
| ces...
| asolidtime1 wrote:
| >> 1. Always sad for me to know how much popular are wireless
| chargers, wasting 47% more energy aprox for charging the same
| as a wired charger.
|
| Sure, but compared to everything else we use, smartphones use
| almost no energy. The one I'm typing this on has a battery
| capacity of 12 wh; if you have a resistive electric water
| heater, standing in a hot shower during the winter for an
| extra _second_ would offset half of that.
| sowbug wrote:
| Ouch! I already feel bad about shaving in the shower! That
| is an evocative way to put it.
| sowbug wrote:
| Your point on wireless-charging waste is valid, but I'm not
| sure a hypothetical initiative to reduce national electricity
| consumption should prioritize addressing it. The waste is
| similar to using a 7-watt LED bulb one hour extra per day
| (16Wh phone battery requires an extra 47% or 7.52 watts to
| charge wirelessly from 0% to 100% each night).
|
| The concern about wireless inefficiency is very well-placed,
| however, in the case of electric cars. EVs will become an
| enormous consumer of electricity in the near future, so small
| changes now can have a big cumulative effect. "Charge your
| car as conveniently as your phone" would be an effective
| marketing tagline, so to that extent I agree that phones set
| a bad example for needless energy consumption in the name of
| convenience.
|
| (edit: oops, bunch of other commenters made the same point
| while I was writing mine)
| numpad0 wrote:
| Qi receivers on phones don't wear out as fast as physical
| connectors do. There are no hard reasons why wireless is
| better in durability but practically they tend to be more
| reliable.
| technothrasher wrote:
| This is exactly when I've used wireless charging the most,
| after my physical connector has broken. It let's me extend
| the life of the phone.
| maegul wrote:
| > 1. Always sad for me to know how much popular are wireless
| chargers, wasting 47% more energy aprox for charging the same
| as a wired charger.
|
| Lots of sibling replies pointing out that the absolute energy
| loss is negligible and reasonable price for the convenience.
|
| That's fine.
|
| But there's a bigger point. This convenience is being used as
| a justification for sticking with big brand phones. Which
| maybe tips the balance on the reasonableness, and, more
| broadly, raises the general issue of how much buying for
| convenience is a slippery slope. Maybe just charge with a
| cable?
| bb88 wrote:
| > Always sad for me to know how much popular are wireless
| chargers, wasting 47% more energy aprox for charging the same
| as a wired charger.
|
| TBH some wired chargers are only 60 percent efficient in
| converting AC to DC. Then you'll also have energy losses
| inside the phone converting 5vdc to 3.7vdc for the lithium
| battery.
|
| But, what? this is ~7 watts per charge completely full
| charge?
|
| One could do the following and offset those 7 watts with a
| lot more to spare:
|
| Add another layer of insulation.
|
| Add a heat pump.
|
| Add solar panels to your roof.
|
| Stop mining Bitcoin.
| prmoustache wrote:
| 1. People in my household put their phone to charge only once a
| day, when they go to bed. How hard is it to plug a phone once a
| day?
| iandanforth wrote:
| I'd buy one if it had a headphone jack!
| mikece wrote:
| How many _current_ phones have a headphone jack? When I
| upgraded from my Pixel 4a to the 6a (both running Graphene OS)
| I never noticed that the headphone jack was "missing" because
| I use a Bose bluetooth headset. And when I want to route the
| audio through my car speakers? Oh... I have a USB-C pigtail
| splitter which allows for power to be passed through another
| UBS-C port and connection to the car audio system through a
| 3.5mm TRS connector.
|
| Seriously: who _needs_ a headphone jack anymore?
| jablala wrote:
| Congrats you have a different use case to GP.
| cameroncairns wrote:
| Anecdata, but I suspect my current issues with charging my
| iphone are due to wear on the charging port from using the
| lightning -> headphone adapter. When looking for a new phone
| I noticed that many sony phones still provide headphone jacks
| on their higher end models (xperia 5v, 10v) but generally it
| seems relegated to cheaper android phones.
|
| I hate the waste generated from having battery powered
| headphones, and generally dislike the batterification of so
| many products these days. Wires can be messy but they are
| usually replaceable and I don't have to worry about properly
| disposing of them as much as I would for an item with a LiON
| battery.
|
| IIRC the xperia phones are just as water/dustproof as the
| pixels/iphones so not really sure why we had to give up the
| port other than for maybe a mm of thinness and a reason to
| sell a new series of audio devices to consumers.
| bluGill wrote:
| I used Xperia phones for years. However I gave up as if it
| doesn't come from t-mobile it didn't support all the towers
| (tmobile uses some weird frequencies in the US) and I'd end
| up in dead zones all over. Great phones, but too much
| friction to keep using them.
| cameroncairns wrote:
| I wish it was easier to parse/compare the supported cell
| frequencies list from phone/gsm arena. Especially for
| devices more targeted at non US markets you can end up
| missing a lot of useful frequencies. I guess part of the
| issue is how non standard the US cell networks tend to be
| (iirc our 5g is also a little weird compared to the rest
| of the world)
|
| It's one of the things I feel like iPhone does right
| supporting most frequencies even for US models. The new
| mandatory eSIM on it makes it a no-go for me though when
| I travel to Europe and want to buy a SIM card at the
| airport/corner store.
| MostlyStable wrote:
| I almost bought one recently because they are literally
| the only new phone model that has both of: a headphone
| jack and no camera cutout. Unfortunately, it seemed like
| support on google fi was hacky and partial at best (and
| it wasn't 100% clear you could get it to work at all).
|
| I ended up going with the pixel 4, which was the newest
| phone I could fine that at least didn't have a camera
| cutout.
|
| I have since discovered that in android developer
| options, you can choose to give up the screen real estate
| around teh cutout to effectively hide it. Given this, in
| the future, I'll look for phones that have a jack,
| worrying less about the cutout.
|
| If the Fairphone ever comes to the US with full support,
| I would strongly consider it, even though I _really_ want
| a headphone jack. I think that for a fully repairable
| phone, I might be willing to trade.
|
| It appears like my ideal phone is probably never going to
| exist again, so I'm going to have to compromise on
| something.
| chrysoprace wrote:
| Nobody _needs_ a smartphone; a dumbphone would suffice for
| most people. We buy smartphones because we _want_ them. For
| my personal use case I have an expensive pair of headphones
| which I used to use (lasted over a decade so far) with my
| Nexus 6P and while using an amp /DAC is better; it's just
| more convenient to plug and play.
| rcarr wrote:
| Hard disagree. Not having some kind of device (be that a
| smart phone, tablet or laptop) is going to make life very
| difficult, particularly if you have to access any kind of
| government service in the developed world. Might be
| different in the US but in the UK almost everything is
| digital or moving to digital. For example if you're
| claiming benefits because you're unemployed in the UK then
| you would be expected to both apply online and log in to an
| online portal and register all your jobseeking activities
| which your job advisor will then review to determine if
| you're putting in enough effort. Failure to do this would
| result in your unemployment benefits being withdrawn. If
| you don't own your own device, the only other option would
| be to go down to the local library where you normally have
| to pay fees if you're using the computer over 30/60 mins
| depending on the local authority. If you're having to do
| this on a regular basis then it's far more economical to
| own your own device. This is just one example of many.
| tmtvl wrote:
| Of all the things which should be accessible without
| internet, government services should pretty much be
| number 1 on the list. Especially unemployment benefits,
| because how is someone without a job going to afford a
| device which can access the internet plus the
| corresponding internet access?
| askonomm wrote:
| Don't know about you, but without Maps I'd be completely
| lost. Also, all gov services in my country (Estonia)
| require Smart ID, which requires a smartphone. So if I want
| to log into my bank account, sign documents, look at my
| medical records, do tax declarations, manage my business
| information, manage car parking, and so on and so on, I
| will need a smartphone. I suppose I could use the oldschool
| physical ID card and a ID card reader for my computer, but
| then I'd not be able to do anything on the go, and I'm
| certainly not going to carry a computer with me to be able
| to pay for car parking.
|
| I'd say being able to live without a smartphone is only in
| third-world countries at this point, and less and less even
| there. In Argentina, everything from government services to
| booking a hair salon appointment to viewing restaurant
| menus is done via Whatsapp and QR codes, for example.
| prmoustache wrote:
| You could all have those in a tablet at home with android
| or ios for anything that you do at home.
|
| I very much doubt you can't pay parking without a
| smartphone.
| bigstrat2003 wrote:
| I need a headphone jack. My car doesn't have an aux input (I
| have to use a cassette adapter), let alone Bluetooth. It's 20
| years old, yes, but it's not that uncommon to have a car that
| old.
|
| More importantly, even if I didn't need one I would still
| want one. A headphone jack is a universal connection for
| audio, Bluetooth is not. And wired headphones are strictly
| superior to wireless headphones, as they don't need to be
| charged and can't be lost as easily.
| NewJazz wrote:
| Couldn't you keep an adapter in your car?
| prmoustache wrote:
| Their are usb-c to jack adapter, some allowing usb-c
| passthrough for charging, otherr being full blown otg cable
| with usb-c, usb-a and TRS (the real name for jack). You
| would leave it attached on the cable that stay attached to
| your car and you would be fine.
|
| Also, there are wired usb-c headphones, my partner is using
| one.
| atoav wrote:
| I do. And I don't even have to explain why an adapter is
| unpractical foe my applications.
| mtlmtlmtlmtl wrote:
| I prefer wired headsets in general though I do have some
| bluetooth earbuds. I prefer my headset in the winter. And I'd
| prefer not to buy a new headset.
| toast0 wrote:
| Looking at the GSM Arena Phone Finder [1], there's currently
| 494 cataloged phones released in 2023, and 286 of them have
| headphone jacks. I won't buy a phone without one, as I want
| to charge and listen to the movie I'm watching on a plane,
| and I'm not doing wireless headsets because I hate bluetooth
| and I hate unnecessary audio latency.
|
| [1] https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3
| izacus wrote:
| Would you reeeaaally? If you really wanted a phone like this,
| you'd just get the tiny USB-C to Jack adapter.
|
| How much of a chance that you'd find some other detail that's
| not ok if it had a jack?
| q0uaur wrote:
| not the other guy, but... any advice how to find a decent
| usb-c to audio jack dongle? i've ordered a cheap one and it's
| absolutely unusable, horrible sound quality and constant
| noticeable static. not feeling like gambling on another one.
| beAbU wrote:
| ... don't buy a cheap one?
| LeoPanthera wrote:
| Apple's USB-C to headphone dongle works on Android, I
| believe, and is regularly reviewed to have the same audio
| quality as comparably expensive DACs. It's $9
| toast0 wrote:
| I've had phones where I needed a USB-C to jack adapter, and
| I'm not buying another one. I don't often use headphones with
| my phone, but 95% of the time, I'm on a plane and I'd like to
| stay charged while I watch my movie. It's also really easy to
| leave the dongle on the plane, so that's annoying too.
| acheron wrote:
| What about a floppy drive and parallel port connector?
| dtx1 wrote:
| I'm really considering Fairphone 5 as an Upgrade to my Pixel 3a
| with Graphene OS. Hardware seems fine (5g, Wifi 6e, reasonable
| SoC, MicroSD, etc.) but the absolute terrible state of Fairphone
| Software and their abhorrent record on dealing with security
| issues is really putting me off. So I'm waiting for Lineage OS to
| officially support it, hoping that they get this done better.
| fgeiger wrote:
| What do you mean with "abhorrent record on dealing with
| security issues"?
|
| And you would even prefer Lineage OS? Isn't that still more or
| less mandating userdebug builds and entirely open?
|
| Disclaimer: I work for Fairphone.
| dtx1 wrote:
| Hey, thanks for answering!
|
| So in regards to security let me first refer to this thread:
| https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/7208-8y-security-updates-
| on...
|
| And it might sound unfair to compare the fairphone to a pixel
| device or a pixel device with grapheneos but the practical
| reality is that if this is going to be my one phone, than it
| will be the hub for all my private conversations, my bank
| forces me to use an app based authentication so basically my
| entire finances are on that device, e-mails, including those
| with doctors, etc.
|
| It has to be secure and it has to up to date. And I am aware
| that my Pixel 3a currently isn't but I'm literally between
| buying the fairphone or the pixel 8. And I really don't want
| glued in batteries.
|
| Now, let's see what the current state is for the fairphone 4:
| https://support.fairphone.com/hc/en-
| us/articles/440585822094...
|
| Release date: 3rd Nov 2023 Security Patch Level: 5th October
| 2023
|
| According to the Android Security Bulletin there are two more
| bulletins out right now:
| https://source.android.com/docs/security/bulletin/2023-11-01
|
| In November and December each there is at least one Critical
| System CVE, with google noting:
|
| > Note: There are indications that the following may be under
| limited, targeted exploitation. > CVE-2023-33063 >
| CVE-2023-33107 > CVE-2023-33106
|
| So...Those aren't patched right now on the fairphone 4, are
| they? Now I'm not arguing most other companies are doing
| better, but that doesn't make it a good situation.
|
| > And you would even prefer Lineage OS? Isn't that still more
| or less mandating userdebug builds and entirely open?
|
| As far as lineage is concerned, i'll be waiting for an
| official release to even be there before evaluating the
| security but I am aware of the userdebug issue.
|
| Though let me say that "abhorrent" is propably not the best
| adjective to describe it here. Unsatisfying would be fairer.
| As for the rest of the software... I just have to look at the
| forums dude...
| fgeiger wrote:
| Okay, that is fair: I am also not happy about us being late
| with security patches for several weeks. I am not directly
| involved in that anymore, but I believe, we currently have
| a policy to release updates quarterly.
|
| Back when I was still working on security updates, this
| took up so much resources that we struggled to work on
| anything else (bug fixes, major upgrades, etc.). It is
| unfortunately a compromise that we currently have to make
| with our limited resources.
|
| Still, we are planning to release these regular security
| updates for 10 years and we have a track record of sticking
| to such plans. In my opinion, that is much better than
| having monthly updates for a couple of years. (Btw: outside
| of flagships, many models don't get monthly updates anyway
| and not even for long.)
| trompetenaccoun wrote:
| Can you talk about GrapheneOS a bit? I'm seriously considering
| switching over but don't really know anything about the people
| maintaining the project. Most seem to use pseudonyms and I saw
| the founder Daniel Micay recently quit the project over some
| drama. Which is his right, fair enough. Is anyone trustworthy
| auditing the code and how do I know a competent team will still
| be around in a few years maintaining it?
|
| Don't get me wrong, I definitely appreciate what they're doing.
| It's just we do so much with our smartphones these days, it's
| hard not to be paranoid about security issues or hacks. I
| really want to say goodbye to Apple though.
| badrabbit wrote:
| My vision of the future is that there won't be smartphones just
| wireless touch screens that link to a small computer that stays
| in your pocket, charging area or linked to a bigger computer but
| never interfaced with directly, just a small smartphone like box
| and you can access apps and data at your home compute box (think
| mac studio) tailscale style.
|
| I'd like to day dream that a modern day steve jobs somewhere is
| already working on this.
|
| New tech like smartphone gets plateued by money makers. Why
| innovate when you can play dirty with planned obsolecense,
| selling data, recycling/polishing turd and playing marketing
| games and make profit on the cheap. R&D ain't free.
|
| I dislike smarphones as they are but the idea of computing using
| a handheld screen as thin as window glass and being able to
| transfer my view to bigger screens/peripherals flawlessly is
| appealing. The OS could be Linux, windows, macos, android, ios
| doesn't matter because it isn't this mobile optimized walled
| garden bs but a full fledged controllable computer running the
| same apps but it scales/adjust the UI based on display size.
| You'd be using a handheld display as you are walking to
| work/office, tap and move it to a 15" display withy keyboard/cam
| and go to a meeting or start a movie on a projector by tapping
| the right spot again.
| rcarr wrote:
| I wonder how long it will take for tech like foldable screens to
| make it's way to devices like this. After some scepticism, I've
| recently transitioned to a foldable and it does feel like the
| next evolution in phones, even if the tech is currently pretty
| fragile.
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