[HN Gopher] 27% of New Cars in France Now Plugin Electric Cars
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27% of New Cars in France Now Plugin Electric Cars
Author : grammers
Score : 36 points
Date : 2023-11-29 18:51 UTC (4 hours ago)
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| toomuchtodo wrote:
| > In October, pure electrics once again outsold PHEVs -- 63%
| share of the plugin market vs. 37% -- keeping the BEV share at
| 64% vs. 36% PHEV in 2023. This represents a slight increase of 2%
| of BEV share compared to the final 2022 result (64% vs. 62%).
| Added to the also slight increase in plugin share, this could
| mean that the French plugin market has reached the ceiling of
| what current models can offer -- and new, cheaper EVs will be
| needed to break it open further in order for the EV transition to
| reach new heights.
| dm319 wrote:
| What are you people in France paying for electricity at the
| moment?
| JPLeRouzic wrote:
| My provider is Engie, my cost per KWh was 0.248322148 Euros in
| October.
| instagib wrote:
| This is when I thought I was paying 1/3 that then see the
| rates increased to 1/2 and I have new fees that appeared or
| increased.
|
| USA average shows $0.23/kWh
|
| https://www.energysage.com/local-data/electricity-cost/
| barney54 wrote:
| Electricity rates in the U.S. average 12 cents KWh
| according to the Energy Information Administration.
| https://www.eia.gov/electricity/state/
| brianwawok wrote:
| 105 EUR / MWh [0]
|
| Google tells me 1 MWH = 105.26 liters of gas [1]
|
| Math that out and it's basically 1 EUR per Liter of Gas
|
| Gas seems at least 1.75 EUR / Liter, so a pretty good savings?
| [2]
|
| 0. https://tradingeconomics.com/france/electricity-price
|
| 1.
| https://hextobinary.com/unit/energy/from/gasoline/to/megawat...
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| 2. https://www.cargopedia.net/europe-fuel-prices
| ttymck wrote:
| Shouldn't the comparison use distance as the denominator?
| Kirby64 wrote:
| Converting between the electrical energy and the heat energy
| intrinsic to gas is the wrong way to do that calculation. You
| need to compare efficiency vs efficiency to get a proper
| price comparison, as the heat energy of gasoline is much
| higher than the actual energy used to move a vehicle. Most is
| wasted.
|
| A decently efficient EV is about 250Wh/mi (it's closer to
| 220, but 250 makes math easy), so 105 EU of power can travel
| approximately 4000mi.
|
| By comparison a decently efficient ICE (in Europe) gets about
| 5L/100km, roughly. So, to travel 6430km (4k miles) you'd need
| about 320L of fuel. At 1.75EU/L that would cost 560 EU.
|
| It's a very substantial difference, assuming your pricing is
| correct on fuel and energy cost.
| VeejayRampay wrote:
| the short-term answer is "it's a bit expensive right now", the
| long-term answer is "we mastered nuclear power a long time ago,
| it's bound to become plentiful dirt cheap and plentiful again
| eventually"
| orangepurple wrote:
| Looks like it was 15-50 in 2020
| https://www.statista.com/statistics/1267546/france-
| monthly-w...
|
| What happened in 8/2021 that caused a huge spike?
| mchem wrote:
| From memory, we enjoyed a heatwave in Jul - August '21 in
| UK/France.
|
| Beyond demand pressures on the interconnected European
| market due to secondary effects of the heat and the COVID
| rebound, it's likely nuclear output was reduced as the
| cooling potential of water sources was reduced - I vaguely
| remember articles on this before the cracking issue stole
| 'headlines'.
|
| Reduced nuclear output in France results in increased
| demand for less cost efficient national or more-expensive-
| than-nuclear international (interconnected) generators.
| BenoitP wrote:
| About 110EUR/MWh, and also the government is planning the
| nuclear reactors to produce around 70EUR/MWh from 2026 onwards.
| s1artibartfast wrote:
| Another painful reminder of how Californias are being screwed
| on electricity prices, with double the US national average,
| which itself is higher than 110EUR/MWh.
| tibbydudeza wrote:
| Rather surprised by the sales of the MG 4 , a Chinese make - they
| bought the remains of MG Rover (MG=Morris Garage) when they went
| bust in the UK.
|
| It looks rather nice for a subcompact SUV - reminds me a Corolla
| based Cross.
| nottorp wrote:
| I wonder. Isn't that because poor people can't buy even new cheap
| cars these days?
|
| So the share of electrics is there because only the rich early
| adopters have bought a new car lately.
| phero_cnstrcts wrote:
| But but but! "If you buy electric cars you never have to worry
| about gas prices ever again!"
| tomcar288 wrote:
| you joke now (because oil is dirt dirt cheap right now) but
| just wait a few decades. I've listened to some of the most
| knowledgable people in the oil industry (Art Berman and
| others on Nate Hagens podcast) discuss Oil. And it looks like
| Hubbard's curve at least on a worldwide basis is true and oil
| supply is only going to go down in the long term. The peak is
| much much closer than most people expect. The world is so
| much more dependent on oil than it realizes and the impacts
| will be far more profound than most economists currently
| realize.
| nottorp wrote:
| In "a few decades" 99% of the new Teslas being sold today
| will be in a scrap heap :)
|
| The decision now is for 5-10-15 years.
| nottorp wrote:
| That's correct assuming you have to choose between buying two
| equally priced cars, one electric and one combustion.
|
| But the choice here may be between buying a new electric and
| a used combustion that costs 1/4 of the price.
|
| Or between buying a new electric and keeping the existing car
| longer.
|
| Pretty sure that over the next 10 years at least, the latter
| two are the cheaper options.
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