[HN Gopher] Mansion Blocks Filled London with Stacks of Flats
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       Mansion Blocks Filled London with Stacks of Flats
        
       Author : zeristor
       Score  : 39 points
       Date   : 2023-11-20 07:58 UTC (1 days ago)
        
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       | jazzyjackson wrote:
       | I'm all for density, but can't modern architects stomach a
       | _little_ embellishment? The latest version of the mansion block
       | lacks any markers that might allow one to be mistaken for a
       | mansion.
        
         | rwmj wrote:
         | Modern housing in the UK is ugly as hell. The only upside is it
         | is so poorly constructed it won't be around for that long.
        
           | nickdothutton wrote:
           | Ah yes, I too once owned a Barratt property. Now happily a
           | mansion block dweller.
        
           | baz00 wrote:
           | Yeah my place is falling to bits and it's only 10 years old.
        
           | m463 wrote:
           | https://xkcd.com/2730/
        
         | foota wrote:
         | Personally I'm a fan of brutalist architecture, but maybe it's
         | nostalgia for my university.
        
         | odiroot wrote:
         | It's not about blocks. Post-war terraces and detached houses
         | are totally bland as well.
        
         | dublinben wrote:
         | Architects are usually all for embellishment and aesthetic
         | details. By the time a design is actually built, all visual
         | appeal has usually been value-engineered out, or fallen victim
         | to the whims of local zoning officials.
        
         | WalterBright wrote:
         | They need gargoyles.
        
         | dist-epoch wrote:
         | > _architect and theorist Adolph Loos, in a 1908 essay called
         | "Ornament and Crime," dramatically declared that a lack of
         | ornamentation was a "sign of spiritual strength."_
         | 
         | > _Architects are terrified of producing so much as a fluted
         | column, because they believe their peers will think they are
         | stupid, nostalgic, and unsophisticated._
         | 
         | https://www.currentaffairs.org/2017/10/why-you-hate-contempo...
        
       | kristianp wrote:
       | https://archive.is/NsIZv
        
       | leoedin wrote:
       | I grew up in Edinburgh - which along with Glasgow has the highest
       | percentage of households living in flats in the UK (greater than
       | even London). The apartments in Edinburgh can be incredible -
       | often 150-200 square meters, 3.5-4m ceilings and large reception
       | rooms. Sometimes even larger. They make a great streetscape too.
       | 
       | I live in London now, and the buildings are far less impressive.
       | London is a very low density city - it very quickly becomes 2-3
       | storey terraced houses, even in central areas. With the exception
       | of a few grand mansion blocks in the centre, flats in this city
       | are pretty small - most of them were built as social housing or
       | created by subdividing existing houses. It's a shame, as living
       | in a well built large apartment can be excellent.
       | 
       | The English problem with flats is primarily a legal one. The
       | leasehold system puts power in the hands of an uninterested
       | landlord - and so makes owning a flat an exercise in frustration.
       | Nobody desires to live in a flat because they're small and owning
       | them is bureaucratic and expensive. The system perpetuates
       | itself.
        
         | antiterra wrote:
         | Those Georgian apartments in Edinburgh are up to like 6th floor
         | walk ups. It's something you can get used to, but sprain your
         | ankle and it's suddenly a much different experience. Usually
         | it's more steps per floor than a comparable NYC walk up. Great
         | idea if you are young or have a good social support system in
         | case you need help.
        
           | HPsquared wrote:
           | Good for fitness, I suppose.
        
           | smegger001 wrote:
           | I lived in fifth floor apartment that spent about a year
           | replacing the elevator that was not a fun trip up the stairs
           | on grocery shopping day with six months old child. Then too
           | neither was moving out after as the new elevator car was
           | smaller and much of the furniture that had fit in the old
           | elevator needed caried down a staircase with three 90deg
           | turns per floor.
        
           | jahewson wrote:
           | Mostly 4 stories. I used to live at the top of one, at first
           | it's hard but after a while you stop noticing. We had all
           | types in our building, babies, old people, musicians, you
           | name it. British people walk everywhere anyway.
        
         | frereubu wrote:
         | I loved living in Edinburgh's New Town because of the tenement
         | blocks. The huge windows were a life saver in the winter
         | because they let in so much light. (Not so sure about the
         | energy efficiency of single-glazed sash windows though). As you
         | say, it makes for a handsome streescape.
         | 
         | My experience of flats in London was almost exclusively badly-
         | converted victorian terraces, where rooms could have really odd
         | shapes because of the way they needed to be divided, and
         | terrible noise insulation.
        
         | dist-epoch wrote:
         | People in central London drink outside on the curb, because
         | there is no place to drink inside the pub.
         | 
         | It's so funny.
        
       | benbojangles wrote:
       | I used to live in a mansion block just like in the photo, in
       | Battersea. It was lovely, shared apartment between 4 rich kids
       | and me (keeping up the illusion of wealth). It was more
       | affordable back in 2007-2012 after then the rent has tripled
       | along with the property value, 2009 the value was PS250k and in
       | 2023 it is worth 1.25million. Great experience but my lasting
       | memory is of the hell of living with a girl there. I wish I could
       | just remember the good stuff.
        
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