[HN Gopher] Ninth Dedekind number found by two independent groups
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Ninth Dedekind number found by two independent groups
Author : beefman
Score : 39 points
Date : 2023-11-19 20:50 UTC (2 hours ago)
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| dang wrote:
| Related:
|
| _Ninth Dedekind number discovered: long-known problem in
| mathematics solved_ -
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36491677 - June 2023 (26
| comments)
|
| Also https://www.sciencealert.com/mathematicians-have-found-
| the-n... (via https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38333952, but
| no comments there)
| nullc wrote:
| All monotone functions can be represented as a tree of threshold
| gates (or, more extreme, as a tree of and & or gates-- themselves
| just the extreme cases for thresholds). But this doesn't result
| in useful way of counting the monotone functions due to
| duplicates.
|
| A great many monotone functions have a very natural
| representation as a threshold gate or a simple composition of
| threshold gates-- like a majority of three majorities. But I
| wonder what monotone functions are the least threshold-like.
| Unfortunately I don't know of a useful way to ask the question
| because at the extreme they can all be constructed from threshold
| gates, so it's not useful e.g. to ask for monotone functions that
| can't be constructed from them.
|
| A related question might be what are the N monotone functions
| that can be combined to most efficiently represent all monotone
| functions up to size M? Does the selection of these best basis
| functions change for different sizes? (or fall into a finite set
| of groups like odd and even M?).
| jacquesm wrote:
| > But I wonder what monotone functions are the least threshold-
| like.
|
| The list of primes?
| non- wrote:
| The last line is very humorous "Jakel said he would have written
| up his thesis two years ago if not for the distraction of d(9).
| "I think I need a break," he said."
|
| If there are any mathematicians in the comments I'd love some
| layman's insight into why solving this problem is not itself
| worthy of a doctoral thesis in Maths.
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