[HN Gopher] Plane forced to turn back to JFK after horse breaks ...
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Plane forced to turn back to JFK after horse breaks loose onboard
Author : austinallegro
Score : 18 points
Date : 2023-11-15 20:20 UTC (2 hours ago)
(HTM) web link (www.independent.co.uk)
(TXT) w3m dump (www.independent.co.uk)
| killingtime74 wrote:
| Dumped 20 tonnes of fuel, nice....
| shanewilhelm wrote:
| Pure speculation on my part, but maybe that's better for the
| environment because it's not being burned as it's used?
| coin wrote:
| Make the airplane light for landing. Many large aircraft
| takeoff heavier than their max landing weight.
| tetromino_ wrote:
| Well, having the plane crash and catch on fire upon attempt at
| landing would have been substantially worse for the
| environment.
| MountainMan1312 wrote:
| I don't see why they need to land immediately for every little
| fist fight. Very abusive parent vibes. Like okay you made a
| little mistake, now we have to ruin the whole day because of it;
| i.e. "look what you made me do". Didn't anyone learn anything
| from the failure of zero-tolerance policies in schools?
| psunavy03 wrote:
| Let me introduce you to a major terrorist incident that
| involved using planes as guided missiles, and then you can
| decide whether or not the aviation community takes in-flight
| violence too seriously.
|
| This is the Hacker News version of an end user going "I don't
| get what's so hard about programming."
| Cpoll wrote:
| I'm not sure that tracks (although this entire thread has
| nothing to do with the article). I'm having difficulty coming
| up with a hypothetical situation involving a "fist fight"
| that ends in a "major terrorist incident", but _only_ if the
| plane isn 't turned around. I'd love to hear one.
|
| I think the "zero tolerance" analogy may be a good one, in
| that it absolves people on the scene from making decisions.
| kermatt wrote:
| Did you even read the title?
|
| _A horse is loose on an airplane_.
|
| Loose cargo can be a serious issue for any aircraft, especially
| when 1,000 - 2,000 pounds of it is potentially panicked and
| independently mobile.
| bastawhiz wrote:
| You may find that it's particularly difficult to get police
| onto the plane to arrest the people who are beating the crap
| out of each other and take them down to the station if the
| plane is in the air. An in-air brawl is obviously dangerous for
| the participants, but also anyone nearby who might catch a leg
| or elbow, or for the flight crew whose job descriptions don't
| include physically restraining violent passengers.
| vore wrote:
| I know it's frowned upon to ask people if they read the article
| but, uh, did you even read the headline?
| tzs wrote:
| > I know it's frowned upon to ask people if they read the
| article but, uh, did you even read the headline?
|
| Uhm...the evidence suggests that he probably read more of the
| article than you did. :-) After talking about the horse
| mentioned in the headline the article goes on to mention that
| unscheduled landings are fairly common and gives some
| examples--one of which is due to a fight breaking out.
| fourteenfour wrote:
| A horse "getting loose" at 31,000 feet is definitely an
| emergency, what if one of the pilots had witnessed how loose
| the horse had become?? They would probably have been stunned
| and lost control of the aircraft immediately. Horse was also
| described as "in difficulty" and in need of a vet - might have
| pulled a muscle like Uncle Harold at the reception after a few
| champagne toasts.
| kashunstva wrote:
| Guess they made the landing back at JFK from an un-"stable"
| approach.
| OnlyMortal wrote:
| Neigh lad...
| alexjplant wrote:
| I wonder if it was a service horse [1]:
|
| > Under the regulations for Title II and III of the Americans
| with Disabilities Act (ADA) from the Department of Justice (DOJ),
| a service animal must be a dog and no other species of animal.
| However, there is a single exception to this rule: miniature
| horses.
|
| [1] https://northeastada.org/resource/miniature-horses-as-
| servic...
| eschneider wrote:
| Probably not. Flying horses is definitely a thing and there are
| regularly scheduled "horse buses" flying both ways across the
| Atlantic each week.
| technothrasher wrote:
| Air travel accommodations for people with disabilities are
| covered under the Air Carrier Access Act, not the Americans
| with Disabilities Act. Under the ACAA, airlines do not have to
| accommodate service horses. I do believe there was a case a
| couple years ago, however, of an airline allowing a service
| horse on board.
| ksherlock wrote:
| I can't find it right now, but one of my pilot books had an
| amusing anecdote about a cargo goat that chewed through his rope.
|
| A less amusing anecdote about weight and balance was this
| improperly secured MRAP, although it also involved damaged
| hydraulics.
|
| https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jul/15/crash-of-boein...
| ksherlock wrote:
| From the American Heritage History of Flight, page 283 or so:
|
| Another Alaskan pioneer flier, Merle K. Smith, who later became
| president of Cordova Airlines, recalls on of his own
| experiences as a bush pilot.
|
| In the old days we used to have what is now called unusual
| cargo. We called it good paying freight then.
|
| There was a homesteader who decided that he needed fresh milk.
| So he sent to Seattle and ordered some goats. I loaded these
| goats into one of the old planes and started up there. Well, I
| had forgotten that goats like rope, and I had tied these goats
| to various places in the airplane with ropes so that they
| wouldn't get loose and annoy me or endanger the flight.
|
| In about twenty minutes they had all the ropes chewed through.
| So then I had all these goats. They'd all frolic together.
| There must have been eight hundred pounds of goats; and they'd
| all get in the back of the airplane and I couldn't hold the
| nose down. They would all come up and chew on me a little bit,
| and chew my shirt, and I'd slap them away. But I decided not to
| do that any more, because the first time I did that, they all
| went to the back of the airplane. It got to be kind of a
| serious situation. By the time we got to where I could land
| these goats they had most of the fabric eaten off the inside of
| the airplane, and my shirt; and the seat that I was sitting on
| was pretty well stripped of upholstery. But these little things
| happened. If you came out all right, as in this instance --
| well, it was funny.
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