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Framework 13 with AMD Ryzen 7040 Series Makes for a Great Linux
Laptop
Author : jiripospisil
Score : 117 points
Date : 2023-11-15 17:11 UTC (5 hours ago)
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| ylyn wrote:
| I just received mine. It's indeed great!
| starkparker wrote:
| It's been good for me; I think it'll be great soon. AMD support
| on Linux is the biggest issue.
|
| The upgrade experience from the Intel 12th gen to a Ryzen 5 took
| about a half-hour, doing only the mainboard and no display or
| hinge upgrades, and I was already familiar with the internals
| from assembling it as a DIY. It's not trivially easy, and there
| were a few frustrating moments that aren't unique to the
| Framework (ok, I'm just talking about the goddamned wifi antenna
| connections), but I've had a harder time upgrading or repairing
| just the RAM or storage on some ultrathin laptops.
|
| The firmware limitations on ports imposed by AMD are frustrating
| in concept but less so in practice; for me it meant just swapping
| expansion cards from the rear slots to the front slots. I can
| imagine for people who had very specific setups it could be more
| disruptive.
|
| But the OS experience was sloppy, and I'm not surprised that
| Phoronix waited until Fedora 39 left beta. AMD GPU issues
| necessitated kernel patches that wouldn't land in Fedora 38 by
| launch, and I still hit GPU-related memalloc issues with the
| updated kernel _and_ the BIOS update that Phoronix also waited
| for.[1] I've also hit the wake-while-lid-closed problems specific
| to the AMD mainboard that have onerous udev workarounds.[2]
|
| The weird power supply limitations for using the board
| standalone, requiring at least a 100W supply for still less than
| full performance unless any battery is attached, also limits the
| flexibility that makes these boards attractive outside of the
| laptop case, whether bought for that intent or as a post-upgrade
| reuse.
|
| 1: https://community.frame.work/t/tracking-graphical-
| corruption...
|
| 2: https://community.frame.work/t/tracking-framework-amd-
| ryzen-...
| binkHN wrote:
| Don't feel too bad; I too am on the latest AMD 7040 hotness via
| a ThinkPad and the BIOS here is garbage too as it relates to
| Linux.
| nicolaslem wrote:
| > AMD support on Linux is the biggest issue.
|
| From my experience, it takes about a year between the time AMD
| hardware is generally available to the public and the time
| Linux support for it is rock solid.
|
| I got one of the first 6800U laptops available and at the
| beginning it was rough, crashing often for no reasons. Slowly,
| each new kernel or firmware version fixed more and more things
| until one day, about a year later, all issues were gone.
| phkahler wrote:
| >> The weird power supply limitations for using the board
| standalone, requiring at least a 100W supply for still less
| than full performance unless any battery is attached, also
| limits the flexibility
|
| What? I've been thinking about a VISA mounted PC on the back of
| my TV. This board seems like a great idea, but 100W for a
| laptop board? Why? Are there some transients that need more
| than some caps can supply?
| starkparker wrote:
| There are community threads with details -- there are more
| things to worry about than just the power supply, but it's
| the biggest and weirdest one. The AMD boards also don't ship
| with a RTC battery for regulatory reasons, and they use a
| two-pin connector instead of a bare coin cell. There are
| further port limitations for connecting a display when no OS
| is installed or the mainboard wasn't initialized in the
| laptop case.
|
| https://community.frame.work/t/recommended-watts-for-amd-
| coo...
|
| https://community.frame.work/t/resolved-mainboard-
| standalone...
|
| https://community.frame.work/t/amd-board-solely-in-the-
| coole...
|
| The Intel boards also recommended 100W if there's no battery;
| the AMD issue is that _even with_ a 100W supply, performance
| is capped, and with a smaller power supply you might not be
| able to boot at all.
| xd1936 wrote:
| I currently have a 12th Gen Intel Framework. How much of an
| improvement in everyday use do you see?
| starkparker wrote:
| Most of the improvement is in gaming and GPU-intensive work,
| which is why I upgraded. Baldur's Gate 3 via Steam/Proton at
| 1240p went from ~30 fps with settings cranked down on Intel
| to 40-60 at high/ultra.
|
| I didn't upgrade the battery and the battery life is similar
| (as in, not great; about 4-5 hours of coding while
| occasionally maxing all cores, 2 hours or less of sustained
| gaming), but it's also hard to judge because of all the
| power/wake problems while in sleep. I've gotten in the habit
| of just shutting it down instead.
|
| Blender was "usable" on Intel but I can work comfortably with
| much bigger scenes on the AMD board. I had 32GB RAM on both
| boards, going from DDR4 to DDR5 by necessity.
|
| Anecdotally, non-GPU single/multi-core stuff (for me,
| typically GIS-related functions) feels better but not by as
| huge of a leap.
| kelnos wrote:
| Wow, that's fantastic. I have the 12th-gen board (bought
| it, along with the full Framework laptop, when they started
| offering it), and gaming perf is ok for what I play, but
| not great. There are a few other issues (like severe
| spurious thermal throttling) that make gaming even harder
| (not great to be playing a FPS and suddenly all 20 cores
| are locked to 400MHz and stay that way for 15 minutes for
| no reason).
|
| I get shit battery life (~3 hours), probably because I have
| 30 Firefox windows open with a total of 2k tabs or so (my
| fault, I should clean it up), so at least one core is at
| 25% or so all the time, or worse. And of course compiling
| things or watching video drags that down real fast.
|
| I can't justify another upgrade after having this one for
| only a year (especially since I'll need new RAM), but maybe
| I'll think about an AMD board in 2025 or so.
| abdullahkhalids wrote:
| What is the source of these sleep problems? I don't
| understand why they still haven't been fixed.
| jamesdutc wrote:
| I am very surprised to hear reports of poor Linux support for
| AMD devices. I recently purchased a GPD Win Max 2 [1] and a GPD
| Win 4 [2] for work. Both devices are AMD 7840U with Radeon 780M
| (and 64 GiB RAM at 6400 MT/s since I saw what appeared to be
| instability at 7500 MT/s.)
|
| I installed Archlinux on both and the support has been very
| solid with the `linux-lts` kernel and only one kernel flag
| (`amd_pstate=guided`.)
|
| The following work: touchscreen; suspend (s2idle, which
| correctly enters S0ix state giving >=100h battery life
| suspended but requiring I disable entries in
| `/proc/acpi/wakeup`); audio; media keys; game controls; wifi;
| Bluetooth; USB; SecureBoot (with `systemd-boot`); webcam
| (available only on Win Max 2.) The TPM2 works, but I haven't
| done anything with it yet (and it's an fTPM.)
|
| Battery life is quite good (8~10h with the `acpi-cpufreq`
| `powersave` governor.) If I dial down the TDP, I can eke out
| even more battery life than that. If I dial it up to
| performance, I get 1~2h of battery life (and the exhaust from
| the fan port runs very hot.) I plan to try the `amd_pstate`
| governor (kernel flag `amd_pstate=active`) once support is
| available in the LTS kernel, though I like being able to
| control TDP via the CLI with AUR packages like `ryzenadj-git`.
| (This sounds like a lot of work, but I have a short shell
| script where I dialed in the right `cpupower` and `ryzenadj-
| git` commands optimal for my use.)
|
| Hibernate works perfectly on the Win 4; I haven't tested it on
| the Win Max 2 (since s2idle works so well!)
|
| On the Win 4, I can't get `xrandr` modes at anything other than
| native resolution (1920x1080) to work, but I am content with
| scaling via `xrandr --scale-from`. All resolutions display
| properly on the Win Max 2. Rotation works perfectly on both
| devices, but I rotate manually (and I haven't bothered to see
| if there is a gyroscope sensor.) There is minimal to no screen
| tearing. The displays present to the OS as landscape (i.e.,
| rotation is not necessary from the Linux console.)
|
| The only hardware that outright doesn't work are the
| fingerprint readers (but I believe Linux support for
| fingerprint readers is limited to very few devices.)
|
| In short, my recent experience with AMD 7840U/Radeon 780M has
| been nothing short of amazing, and these devices have been an
| absolute pleasure to use.
|
| [1] https://www.gpd.hk/gpdwinmax2
|
| [2] https://gpd.hk/gpdwin4
|
| [3] https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/ryzenadj-git
| starkparker wrote:
| Framework's been transparent through the process about
| firmware issues being part of their mainboard development. A
| lot of their problems are specific to the intersection of
| their expansion slot/USB-C port capabilities, particularly
| power draw and PD/DP capabilities, and AMD's firmware for
| mainboard components. I'm not surprised that GPDs have a more
| solid experience as they're not expected to be as flexible.
|
| And I want to emphasize that the "support" as in Framework
| responding to and shipping fixes has been good. The "support"
| as in the hardware working consistently, particularly in
| Linux and without distro-specific workarounds, has had holes
| which sound common enough outside of Framework devices that
| I'd wager the GPDs are the exception more than the rule.
|
| I'll say at least that the Framework's fingerprint reader and
| display settings Just Worked through the upgrade.
| jamesdutc wrote:
| That makes sense.
|
| My assumption prior to purchasing these devices was that
| AMD support would be the main reason for me returning them.
|
| I was quite surprised to see just how well everything
| worked, and, in fact, these devices have given me much less
| trouble than my i7-1165G7 Dell XPS 13".
|
| In fact, these devices has worked so well that it's really
| made me more excited about consumer technology and new
| laptops and portables than I have been in a long time!
|
| I am worried that I may be mistakenly generalising this to
| all AMD devices. I have even been considering ditching
| Intel for my next laptop upgrade...
| mschuster91 wrote:
| > The weird power supply limitations for using the board
| standalone, requiring at least a 100W supply for still less
| than full performance unless any battery is attached, also
| limits the flexibility that makes these boards attractive
| outside of the laptop case, whether bought for that intent or
| as a post-upgrade reuse.
|
| That's because Framework doesn't want to risk getting liable
| for damaged power supplies. With a battery, the power
| management circuitry can make sure that, bar an outright
| shortcut, the load on the PSU will not ever be more than the
| allowed power. Without it, there is no buffer.
| starkparker wrote:
| You're not wrong, but the problem is a difference in
| capability combined with a performance cap that you can't
| power-scale your way out of.
|
| The 100W suggestion is the same as the Intel board, though
| the Intel board can run standalone on the stock 60W supply
| without a battery by staying in a lower-wattage mode. The
| 100W problem specific to AMD is the inability to boot at all
| without a battery at under 100W, and not being able to hit
| max stock TDP with a 100W or greater supply unless a battery
| is also installed -- even if it never draws from it.
|
| From Framework's emails to early-batch buyers on the subject:
|
| > Note that performance will currently be limited without the
| battery present. We're working with AMD and our manufacturing
| partner Compal to tune and improve this. In the meantime, we
| recommend using a 100W USB-C power adapter to mitigate some
| of the performance reduction.
| dizhn wrote:
| Wifi antenna. Damn. Align the connector with the socket. Push
| it forward/up then press down into the socket. I did a
| replacement once and I was about to break it until I saw a few
| videos and a text description of it.
| nbf_1995 wrote:
| I've also experienced the GPU issues and sleep issues, but for
| me, these were solved by updating to bios v3.03
| KRAKRISMOTT wrote:
| I think the bigger problem for the community is that the M3
| absolutely spanks it in performance. https://www.cpu-
| monkey.com/en/compare_cpu-amd_ryzen_7_7840u-...
|
| It's not just a matter of poor drivers and not being able to
| wake up from sleep. You typical Mac lasts for tens of hours on
| battery and runs faster than Intel/AMD's flagship laptop grade
| processors. This is a big deal and if the x64 hardware people
| don't up their game soon, the Linux on desktop community will
| be hurt as users would move to the Apple ecosystem, despite the
| non-free nature. The gap has grown too big.
| rstuart4133 wrote:
| > the Linux on desktop community will be hurt as users would
| move to the Apple ecosystem, despite the non-free nature.
|
| That's an odd thing to say given given GNU/Linux runs on more
| architectures than any other OS. For example there is a
| Chromebook, which is (or is slated to become?) a skin over
| GNU/Linux. That includes using Wayland. If you want access to
| the full GNU/Linux stack, Chromebook's provide Crostini.
|
| Your point about Apple pulling off a step change with the M
| series is correct of course, and Asahi Linux notwithstanding
| we don't have full access to it. But other hardware vendors
| see that as an opportunity - if they can produce an
| equivalent they can take advantage of the fact that Apple
| produces a premium product most of the world doesn't want to
| pay for. When they do, GNU/Linux users will be among the
| early adopters.
|
| It's difficult to see how be GNU/Linux could get left behind.
| AMD/Intel on the other hand are likely shitting themselves.
| They've now had years to catch up, but has been very little
| sign of it. That mountain of technical debt created by the
| necessity of backward compatibility is proving very hard to
| move. The are starting to look like dinosaurs that are pretty
| safe in their niche, but the world has moved on and that
| niche is shrinking.
| zerocrates wrote:
| Just did my own swap yesterday: I was lazy (practical?) and
| just kept the Intel wifi chip I had already so I wouldn't have
| to redo the antenna connections.
|
| I'm on Ubuntu 23.10 and I think just the pretty new kernel,
| plus my Framework board being a later build with the newer
| firmware, meant I dodged any graphics issues (at least any I'd
| have immediately noticed).
| zzzeek wrote:
| Got one here, AMA!
| totallywrong wrote:
| How's the keyboard? Have you maybe used Thinkpads to compare?
| zzzeek wrote:
| I have a thinkpad also from work and I've never liked
| thinkpad keyboards, and I especially never liked the
| trackpad-buttons-on-top thing (it's a key reason I dont use
| thinkpads normally). I've been through several thinkpads ( as
| we have to swap out every few years) and while they get nicer
| each time, they still carry along that old-school "lets have
| lots and lots of small keys" thing.
|
| Framework's keyboard OTOH is very similar to a macbookpro,
| keys feel a little higher and more tactile and also the
| layout is simpler than how my thinkpad has them laid out.
|
| truth be told im mostly using an external keyboard so far,
| havent really gone anywhere w/ the laptop yet.
| totallywrong wrote:
| Thanks!
| tcbawo wrote:
| I don't have a Thinkpad, but the plastic surface of the
| keyboard feels like a slight step down from other keyboards
| I've used (like my Logitech MX Keys). It's not as smooth --
| the plastic of the key is rough, almost chalkboard-like. I
| haven't used it in-depth enough to determine any pet peeves
| about the layout. But overall, I like it. If anyone ever
| offers an upgraded key cap set, I might go for it.
| justaguitarist wrote:
| What's your typical battery life like? The only thing keeping
| me on my M1 MacBook is only having to charge it ~2x per week.
| zzzeek wrote:
| well it's new battery feel so far, just got the machine less
| than two weeks ago. Haven't done any long battery-related
| work yet. My previous Dell XPS13 had the battery puff out and
| it actually wrecked the mainboard in doing so, so I'll be
| watching out for any negative experiences like that here,
| that I can open the machine right up in 30 seconds to attend
| to issues like that should be a plus.
| kelvie wrote:
| Luckily there are battery stats. On a 7840U with power-
| profiles-daemon installed and PCI power saving turned on (but
| _not_ wifi or audio power saving, or VM writebacks, I don 't
| feel those are worth the power savings), it draws 3W if I'm
| doing absolutely nothing with the screen on its dimmest
| setting (I mostly use the laptop in bed at night), and 5-11W
| while web browsing on Firefox.
|
| It goes up to about 13W while watching youtube, even though
| it claims hardware accelerated video decoding is on.
| starkparker wrote:
| 6-7 hours of browsing in Firefox, 4-5 hours when doing work
| involving occasional building/compiling, 3-5 hours of 2D
| native Linux gaming, 2 hours or less of 3D AAA gaming through
| Steam/Proton.
| redundantly wrote:
| How does the trackpad compare to a MacBook trackpad?
| zzzeek wrote:
| very similar. One would think they're on a macbook when using
| this laptop. I have it set to use "area" for left/right click
| and it works better than my older macbookpro where the
| trackpad had lost some of its responsiveness at some point.
| y7 wrote:
| Besides the actual hardware, I think the biggest problem is
| the software implementation of trackpads in Linux (at least
| in libinput/Wayland). Even running Linux on my Macbook, the
| trackpad experience is vastly inferior to macOS.
|
| I don't care too much about gestures, but mostly about stable
| palm rejection and proper acceleration curves. The current
| implementations sadly provide neither.
| Rebelgecko wrote:
| One of my complaints with the older framework is that the
| trackpad scrolling is REALLY fast and AFAICT there's no way
| to change tbe speed on stock Fedora
| kelvie wrote:
| IMO not close (I spend the majority of the day on my work
| macbook). It's especially apparent when scrolling or moving
| the pointer small amounts, and especially near the edges of
| the trackpad, where you need to make bigger movements for it
| to work.
|
| Your mileage may vary as people have different sized fingers
| and such.
|
| It's a far cry even from my old Google Pixelbook, which is a
| (distant) second best touchpad I've used.
| gumballindie wrote:
| Which linux distro did you install and have you had any issues?
| starkparker wrote:
| Fedora 39 is the "official" way to go on the AMD board due to
| the newer kernel. Installed without problems and all hardware
| worked on boot.
|
| The biggest issues are setting up a workaround for staying in
| sleep/suspend while the lid's closed but plugged in:
| https://community.frame.work/t/tracking-framework-amd-
| ryzen-...
|
| And flipping a VRAM flag to avoid GPU memory allocation
| issues: https://community.frame.work/t/tracking-graphical-
| corruption...
|
| Neither of which is Fedora specific, and both of which might
| be resolved via update.
| zzzeek wrote:
| I went straight for fedora 39. The two issues I had were 1.
| the initial BIOS update hung, and I had to run it again -
| elsewhere, someone who had this problem had reported that it
| bricked their machine, however I was able to get through it:
| https://www.reddit.com/r/framework/comments/17jzj40/bios_upd.
| ..
|
| Then for 2., there's a kernel param I had to set to avoid a
| display issue, that's mentioned here:
| https://www.phoronix.com/news/AMD-Scatter-Gather-Re-Enabled ,
| I had that exact problem.
| gumballindie wrote:
| Thank you for sharing your experience and fixes. Sounds
| straight forward to fix, although a bit disappointing that
| they don't put the effort to supply kernel patches to make
| it work out of the box, particularly for a laptop that
| claims to be diy friendly. To be fair, i'd rate it 3/5
| based on people experience with it.
| Rebelgecko wrote:
| Do the brightness keys on the keyboard work? What's the battery
| drain like when the laptop is asleep?
| kelvie wrote:
| Yes they work (plasma 5 KDE on arch). On the 55Wh battery
| with a 7840U, it loses 2-3% per hour when asleep, so I set up
| suspend-then-hibernate after an hour (though setting that up
| was a pain in itself).
| nbf_1995 wrote:
| They work, but on gnome you might have to disable the
| `hid_sensor_hub` kernel module.
| POiNTx wrote:
| Does the pressure to click on the trackpad feel 'even' across
| the entire trackpad? For example, does clicking at the top feel
| the same as the bottom? That's something I never got used to on
| my ThinkPad, clicking on the top is basically impossible.
| starkparker wrote:
| Nope. It's a mechanical trackpad with similar pressure issues
| (super stiff in the top corners, a little softer in the top
| center, best in the center and bottom). I switched to tap-to-
| click.
| random_dork1 wrote:
| Is the fingerprint sensor working? How reliable/fast is it?
| nbf_1995 wrote:
| The fingerprint sensor is shared across all framework
| laptops. It was about as fast and reliable as you can expect
| a fingerprint reader to be.
| INTPenis wrote:
| Until they get a nordic keyboard, I'm out.
| MrDresden wrote:
| They do offer ISO layouts, which afaik all nordic language
| layouts use.
| Hinrik wrote:
| My native keyboard layout is Icelandic so I'm not holding my
| breath. I ordered one with a blank ISO layout.
| mananaysiempre wrote:
| You could order the (black) blank one and ordering an engraving
| at a repair shop? (I have slightly esoteric keyboard-layout
| needs and I'm thinking about it, although my last experience
| with engraving wasn't the most positive.)
| tromp wrote:
| Nice hardware, except for that black strip between the |\ key and
| the enter key, making them look as one big enter key.
| kubik369 wrote:
| Simple answer my friend, so that they can use one chassis on
| both the ANSI and ISO models. Pretty standard practice in
| laptops.
| jayd16 wrote:
| I guess they could have had a metallic strip option but it
| looks fine to me.
| thekombustor wrote:
| The 'black strip' between enter and backslash is actually just
| a recessed part of the enter key. It's not a separate plastic
| piece.
|
| Source: typing this on my Framework 13 AMD right now :)
| IntelMiner wrote:
| At the risk of sounding negative I have to dissent. Linux on the
| Framework is great * _if*_ you use GNOME or KDE. Those two DE 's
| specifically support Fractional scaling in Wayland the best
|
| I've been using XFCE for the better part of 15 years meanwhile.
| Its Wayland support is a permanent unfortunate "work-in-progress"
| (apparently they only have two full-time developers for the whole
| project?) and I'd assume many other less popular desktop
| environments are in a similar bucket
|
| The Framework is a _fantastic_ laptop and a joy to use even under
| Windows 11. I don 't hold its XFCE issues against Framework, but
| it's worth remembering that "Linux on the Desktop" isn't a single
| monolith
| binkHN wrote:
| For better or worse, I think Wayland is here to stay and that's
| where all the development is going.
| burntsushi wrote:
| I've been using X11 on my Framework laptop for years. No
| desktop environment at all. Just my regular old school window
| manager[1]. No KDE or GNOME. But also no XFCE.
|
| The only thing I had to do to get scaling working for me was
| set two environment variables[2].
|
| I was indeed worried about this when I bought the laptop. Prior
| to this, I avoided anything with resolutions higher than
| 1920x1200. But it turned out that everything mostly worked with
| a couple tweaks.
|
| I think the only real issue I've run into is `git gui`. As I
| understand it, the GUI toolkit it uses doesn't support scaling?
| Not sure. I ended up working around it by just increasing font
| sizes. I suppose this exposes the weakness that is probably
| impacting you: the scaling on my laptop is being done by the
| GUI toolkits, not the display server or compositor. (I don't
| always run a compositor, but when I do, I use `picom`. Mostly
| just to avoid tearing.)
|
| [1]: https://github.com/BurntSushi/wingo
|
| [2]:
| https://github.com/BurntSushi/dotfiles/blob/ea3a88e6160f4244...
| warner25 wrote:
| Agreed. I struggled a bit with XFCE on my Framework for a few
| months before switching to GNOME, largely because Framework's
| display size is best with fractional scaling. 100% made
| everything too small, and I could work with 200% and some
| tweaks (although some applications didn't play nicely at all),
| but 175% or 150% is perfect. Their choice of display size is
| one reason (among several) why Framework is really not Linux-
| first.
| ollien wrote:
| I admittedly just got my Framework a couple of days ago, but I
| found scaling the text size to be sufficient in quite a lot of
| cases, at least for me, in XFCE.
| kelnos wrote:
| > _I 've been using XFCE for the better part of 15 years
| meanwhile._
|
| Nice, nearly 20 years for me.
|
| > _(apparently they only have two full-time developers for the
| whole project?)_
|
| We actually have zero full time developers. I'm probably the
| closest thing to a full-time developer as I have a lot of free
| time on my hands these days, but even then I don't work on Xfce
| enough to call it full time. And we only have two people
| working on Wayland support, and so that's even less than the
| non-full-time each of us put in.
|
| > _Its Wayland support is a permanent unfortunate "work-in-
| progress"_
|
| We've probably made more progress in the past 6 months than all
| the time prior, combined. Things are coming along, but it'll
| probably be another 1-2 years before it's usable, and only
| "stable" in time for the 4.22.0 release at the end of 2026. And
| that's still all aspirational; it may not materialize in that
| time.
|
| It turns out that the Wayland protocol is super limited, and a
| lot of things that you could do easily on X11 you essentially
| have to re-invent from scratch. And that's before we even talk
| about turning xfwm4 into a Wayland compositor. (Some rando has
| forked xfwm4 and is building a Wayland compositor with it, but
| has chosen not to collaborate with us at all, so it's unclear
| if their work will ever be mergeable.)
|
| But that's what happens when you're a developer for a software
| project that has no corporate sponsorship or people hired
| specifically to work on it. Feel free to contribute; we could
| definitely use the help!
|
| Anyhow: I run Xfce on a Framework 13, and it's fine. I've set
| UI scaling to 2x, and I've added a custom modeline to X11 for
| 2712x1805 (1.2x native). Big downside is apparently this turns
| off the iGPU's ability to eliminate tearing. I suspect there's
| a way to fix that, but I haven't had the motivation to dig into
| it (I wonder if simply using a more-even scaling factor like
| 1.25 would do it, even if things would appear a little smaller
| than I'd like).
| zerocrates wrote:
| The solution I've been pretty happy with instead of Wayland
| fractional scaling is to have scaling set at 1:1 and use
| GDK_DPI_SCALE (I think that's the one) at 1.5 or 1.25 or
| whatever. Things like Firefox, Chrome, the standard GTK system
| apps will scale nicely, and stuff that doesn't support it will
| just be small instead of doing a blurry zoom.
| yett wrote:
| Wasn't the trackpad scrolling bad though on GNOME at least?
| blahyawnblah wrote:
| Seems fine for me
| wpm wrote:
| I would love to be able to get a FM 13, but the non-inverted-t
| layout of the arrow keys make it a non-starter. It was the one
| thing I loathed the most about the butterfly keyboards on those
| MacBook Pros that came with them, and I find it a baffling choice
| to make on purpose today considering it was a major complaint on
| those Macs. I cannot move my hand to those keys by feel alone if
| the side arrows are twice the height of the up and down arrows.
|
| I can wait and pay extra for a FM 16, but I don't need the extra
| size or weight for what for me is going to be a secondary
| machine. And sadly, the topcase and keyboard seem to be an area
| where the "hackability" and "openness" of the hardware platform
| don't exist, so I can't even homebrew my own solution.
| zerocrates wrote:
| I really prefer the half-height "T" layout in those size
| constraints but some people really hate it. It's an oddity to
| me: as you say, I'd be happier being able to easily feel out
| the layout and having all directions be the same size targets.
| Other than just not having the "look" of empty space I don't
| feel that there's really anything to recommend the "full height
| left/right, half-height up/down" layout.
|
| I wonder if you'll have more ability to play around in that
| space with the 16, as its top case is more modular. Part of the
| problem with the Framework 13 input cover is that the cover
| including the key gaps is all one piece of aluminum, so things
| have to work within those sized holes, or else involve a
| completely different input cover.
|
| (Edit: the 16 does I think have more theoretical room for
| alternate keyboard layouts, but of course that's assuming
| anyone makes them. More importantly, it just has the inverted T
| layout on the regular keyboard already.)
| blahyawnblah wrote:
| Mine showed up yesterday. So far so good dual booting openSuse
| and windows.
| haunter wrote:
| Wish they were including a Macbook Air with Asahi Linux running
| on it. Nowadays you can get an M1 for $750 on sale or an M2 for
| $900. Even though these are the 8GB models only they are very
| much comparable to the review models in the test.
| opencl wrote:
| Phoronix already did an article comparing the M2 running Asahi
| with Zen 4 machines.
|
| https://www.phoronix.com/review/apple-m2-zen4-mobile
| pram wrote:
| Damn the Ally is very impressive.
| KRAKRISMOTT wrote:
| It's not fair to be comparing it with the passively cooled
| and throttled Macbook Air. The Acer Swift Edge is a 16" twin
| fan air cooled machine. You should compare it to the top of
| the line MBP for a fair benchmark without thermal throttling
| concerns.
| MrDresden wrote:
| I'm in batch 8 for one of these and simply can not wait to get to
| start using it (my current T460s has really started feeling slow
| in the last year).
| binkHN wrote:
| > current T460s has really started feeling slow in the last
| year
|
| Been there; web sites are rather heavy nowadays and two cores,
| combined with everything else running on the system, just can't
| keep up anymore.
| marssaxman wrote:
| I hope you'll write about your experience with the Framework
| when it arrives. I am still content with my T460s, but it won't
| last forever.
| orthecreedence wrote:
| Fellow batch 8er! I got the 8-core AMD option, super excited.
| My 2016 Razer finally shat the bed after I attempted to clean
| the keyboard...now it "turns on" but the fans don't spin and
| the BIOS never loads. I read it might be the fuses on the
| motherboard, but I tested them all and continuity is fine. I
| was originally a bit hesitant to go from a GPU-enabled laptop
| back to integrated, but realized that almost all the games I
| played on my laptop didn't need a GPU anyway. My Razer battery
| would blow up every once in a while and I suspected it had to
| do with the excessive heat of gaming, so I stopped pushing it.
|
| In the meantime I got my desktop set up again (was stuck on
| Windows 7, now on linux) and got some horrible Asus laptop for
| when I'm not at my desk.
|
| The only thing I'm worried about is all of my current setup is
| on X and it seems for any real display scaling that Wayland is
| the way to go, so I'm not excited about switching everything
| over (I'm on i3 and probably a few other tools/scripts that
| rely solely on X). I guess we'll see how it works out.
| sekao wrote:
| I'm running NixOS + KDE on the AMD framework and surprisingly it
| worked perfectly out of the box. All I had to do was disable
| secure boot to get it running, and after install I had to
| configure the global scale in display settings to 200% so it
| looked right. No weird hacks needed at all -- the 23.05 installer
| just worked, including wifi, which apparently isn't true for
| Windows 11.
| ollien wrote:
| Yeah, some of the wifi drivers aren't available in the stock
| W11 image.
| Cu3PO42 wrote:
| If you'd like SecureBoot back, lanzaboote [0] has worked well
| for me and no longer requires unstable!
|
| [0] https://github.com/nix-community/lanzaboote
| tsuraan wrote:
| Oddly specific question, but can anybody confirm whether the
| AX210 (no vPro) wifi works with the AMD motherboards? I've seen
| some pretty bad reports about the realtek chip they're defaulting
| to on the AMD systems, and I already have the AX210, so if I
| could just keep using it, that would be ideal.
| nbf_1995 wrote:
| The ax210 does work in the ryzen motherboard but just ok. I had
| persistent errors relating to the card in dmesg and occasional
| disconnects.
|
| The wifi that ships with the ryzen framework is made by
| MediaTek, not Realtek, and it's been working smoothly since I
| installed it.
| tsuraan wrote:
| Okay, good to hear on both counts. Thanks!
| zerocrates wrote:
| I haven't seen issues bringing over an AX210 but I've barely
| used it so I'll have to keep an eye out for that.
|
| I think just in its own right there are some AX210 Linux
| driver issues, particularly with 6E connectivity; I don't
| have a 6E network so I haven't really noticed.
| NewJazz wrote:
| They're shipping Realtek? I thought they were shipping
| Mediatek? Big difference in my experience.
| nbf_1995 wrote:
| I got a unit from batch one and experienced some gpu issues and
| sleep/wake issues, but they went away after updating to bios
| v3.03. It's been fine since then.
|
| Mediatek wifi is basically as good as the ax210 in my 12th gen.
|
| The CPU uplift over the 12th gen i7 is immense. I foolishly
| forgot to do before/after compilation times on my usual projects,
| but in general things seem to build significantly faster (Medium-
| Large sized Typescript + Rust codebase). My workloads also don't
| seem to get the new cpu as hot as my 12th gen intel cpu got.
| pkulak wrote:
| I'll have to wait for better fractional scaling in Wayland before
| I jump to a laptop with a weird, in-between resolution. Hopefully
| soon though!
| thekombustor wrote:
| I'm running this laptop (the R5 variant) on Arch w/ i3 and it's
| been pretty great so far. High DPI screen isn't really a huge
| deal as long as you set Xft.dpi correctly and change your
| terminal/i3bar font size.
|
| If anyone has questions, feel free to ask.
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