[HN Gopher] Miyazaki's 'The Boy and the Heron' makes clear the w...
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Miyazaki's 'The Boy and the Heron' makes clear the world is a
fragile place
Author : cempaka
Score : 104 points
Date : 2023-11-14 17:14 UTC (5 hours ago)
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| ilrwbwrkhv wrote:
| I think the future will be a large group of Amish like who will
| be pacifists and shun technology and a group who live in the
| citadel with AI creating everything in their consciousness.
| Deeply unhappy but addicted to the rat race.
| skummetmaelk wrote:
| The future?
| webkike wrote:
| Ok
| TeMPOraL wrote:
| Shunning technology on its own won't lead to pacifism.
| Otherwise, what you described is pretty much a typical fantasy
| setting.
| ilrwbwrkhv wrote:
| I think even the little that we have seen from chatgpt is a
| sign that generated content will always be heartless, poor
| quality but people will be ok with it and adopt it. So I
| think it would make sense that eventually this will break the
| market into two.
| aik wrote:
| Or... you view it as just another perspective just like
| that from a human coworker where most ideas are throwaway
| but you take what you like and leave the rest.
| Understandably we all want AI to be perfect but what we
| have today is much more human.
| isk517 wrote:
| Sturgeon's law ("ninety percent of everything is crap") is
| well known, and a lot of money has been made and time spend
| consuming a significant chunk of that 90%. AI only needs to
| be better than 90% of that 90% to succeed.
| 082349872349872 wrote:
| When anabaptism was new, there were also many non-pacifist
| sects, but those eventually all failed to survive the
| conflicts they got into the with the wider non-anabaptist
| world.
| pilsetnieks wrote:
| Neal Stephenson's _Fall_ [1] is by far not his best book,
| however, the first part has a chilling depiction of societal
| divide into Ameristan and, for lack of a better word, the blue
| states that feels entirely plausible.
|
| [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fall;_or,_Dodge_in_Hell
| msisk6 wrote:
| I just finished the audiobook version of this on a long drive
| through the heart of Ameristan. Very plausible. Remember
| Moab!
| lph wrote:
| It's a shame, the Ameristan near-future dystopia parts of
| Fall were quite good, but the virtual world plot became
| increasingly silly. My mood would pick up whenever I landed
| on a chapter that got back to the "real world" plot.
| stuckinhell wrote:
| I'm slowly coming around to this conclusion as well.
| PakG1 wrote:
| I told my wife that we should consider being farmers in the
| future. She said we'd starve to death. Can't figure out if I
| agree with her.
| jrsdav wrote:
| One aspect of Japanese culture that deeply resonates with me is
| its unique connection to the geographical landscape. It seems
| intricately woven with the very essence of Japan, a nation shaped
| by the terrifying reality of earthquakes, tsunamis, typhoons, and
| volcanoes.
|
| These influences appear to have profound influence on the
| collective mindset of the people. The constant reminder of
| impermanence has sculpted a distinctive perspective on life,
| rendering the cultural tapestry of Japan something that feels
| intrinsically tied to its specific time and place.
|
| I often reflect on this thought -- Japan could have only ever
| happened in Japan.
| ep103 wrote:
| I think this is true of all places, people just tend not to
| recognize it where they live.
|
| One of my favorite ways to travel is by train or motorcycle
| over long distances, and just watch how architecture, clothing,
| styles, layouts, etc change or surprisingly don't change in
| response to geographical changes.
|
| Both are possible, and both tell you a lot about the people
| there.
| phillipcarter wrote:
| Guillermo del Toro really put it well:
|
| > We are privileged enough to be living in a time where Mozart is
| composing symphonies
|
| I'd encourage anyone who hasn't seen the full breadth of
| Miyazaki's work to watch them all. It's well worth your time, and
| especially to see how his work has helped shape a lot of other
| media you've likely consumed.
| layer8 wrote:
| Aside from the feature films, also don't forget:
|
| * his one major manga/graphic novel, Nausicaa
|
| * Future Boy Conan (TV series)
|
| * Panda Kopanda (aka Panda! Go, Panda!) (two short films)
|
| * the five episodes of Sherlock Hound he directed
|
| * On Your Mark (music video)
|
| (of course, there's more)
| tehnub wrote:
| Deeper in the iceberg we find early animation work by
| Miyazaki on the 1969 film Phantom Flying Ship: https://www.sa
| kugabooru.com/data/4d0af6c0638a415173b7de66766...
| huytersd wrote:
| They are artistically sound and beautiful, but kind of boring
| to be honest. Kurosawa on the other hand satisfies all three.
| slekker wrote:
| Any recommendations from his work for someone who hadn't
| heard of him before?
| huytersd wrote:
| Rashomon and Seven Samurai are classics. Kagemusha is
| probably my favorite.
| baby wrote:
| Miyazaki's films are boring? What?
| huytersd wrote:
| Yeah, it took an effort to get through spirited away and
| nausica. I even tried a second watch through of spirited
| away but at the risk of being blasphemous, I found it
| boring.
| hotnfresh wrote:
| They're often light on plot and don't foreground conflict.
| If you don't enjoy drinking in a long animated "shot"
| (that's another thing, they have relatively slow editing)
| with little movement or talking, don't appreciate the
| attention to detail and highlighting of little everyday
| actions, or aren't cool with simply absorbing a vibe, I can
| see how they might bore.
| huytersd wrote:
| Well I don't want to come off as a rube. I did appreciate
| the attention to detail and it's a beautiful movie with a
| consistent vibe. You can still find something boring with
| all of those boxes checked though.
| hotnfresh wrote:
| Sorry, didn't mean to imply that, but my wording kinda
| does, you're right. I just meant that if those elements
| aren't, at least in the particular mix and form they take
| in these films, _engaging_ for a given viewer, I can see
| how they might be boring. They definitely have a
| different focus and form than most films, including a
| large majority of very-well-regarded or "sophisticated"
| films (I don't mean they're just different from, like,
| Fast and the Furious X).
| ilamont wrote:
| The only two animated films that have ever triggered an
| emotional response are _Watership Down_ (when I was a kid) and
| Ghibli 's _Grave of the Fireflies_ (when I was an adult). Both
| were really heavy in ways that are hard to articulate.
|
| The trailer for the latter:
|
| https://youtu.be/4vPeTSRd580?si=CAN__Md9KIKQcehN
| surgical_fire wrote:
| Grave of Fireflies was to this day the only movie that made
| me cry.
|
| It did so twice.
| apricot wrote:
| Best movie I never want to see again.
| triceratops wrote:
| Pedant's note: GP's comment was how Guillermo del Toro
| compared Miyazaki to Mozart. _Grave of the Fireflies_ was
| written and directed by Isao Takahata, not Hayao Miyazaki.
| Chanderton wrote:
| While not Miyazaki (but still Studio Ghibli), Isao Takahata's
| films Grave of the Fireflies (and to some extent, Princess
| Kaguya), isn't really some "feel good" movies. Optimistic is the
| last thing i would describes those two masterpieces.
| boogieknite wrote:
| Had seen most of the Ghibli movies and then turned on Princess
| Kaguya for the first time as something to help my spouse fall
| asleep. By the end were both crying. This was 3 years ago and
| was the last time I cried and can't recall the last time I
| cried before that.
|
| Princess Kaguya is my favorite Ghibli movie but also never
| rewatched because it's so emotional. All that and I'm not even
| a parent, let alone good with kids whatsoever.
| victordevt wrote:
| Miyazaki's work is so different than the mainstream Japanese
| anime industry!
| robterrell wrote:
| I saw the film at a festival last month, not sure what to expect
| for a beloved creator coming out of retirement. I should not have
| been worried, it's astounding -- Del Toro isn't really
| exaggerating in that praise. I hadn't read about it being
| autobiographical until afterwards, but it did seem incredibly
| personal. I found it to be profoundly joyful and sad in multiple
| ways, especially in the aspect of a master searching for a
| protege.
| kleiba wrote:
| I haven't seen any of Miyazaki's work - which of his movies would
| you recommend I watch first and why?
| topaz0 wrote:
| It really doesn't matter -- they are all incredible.
| lm28469 wrote:
| I've randomly picked three to watch with my gf because one of
| her friends kept saying they were all master pieces. Castle
| in the sky, spirited away and Howl's moving castle
|
| I did not really enjoy a single one of them, castle in the
| sky was the best but it didn't make me want to watch the rest
| of his filmography.
| wahnfrieden wrote:
| Just stop there then
| baby wrote:
| I honestly can't fathom how someone would not be mindblown
| by these three movies.
| surgical_fire wrote:
| Not all movies are for everyone. It's okay to not like
| something
|
| It's also possible that a lot of people wouldn't like
| movies you love.
|
| That said, Castle in the Sky in particular is not only one
| of the best animations I ever watched, it's likely one of
| the best movies I ever watched.
| tehnub wrote:
| No better way to do it than release-order. Start with The
| Castle of Cagliostro and make your way to The Wind Rises. I'd
| recommend watching the films he wrote but didn't direct as
| well, which are Whisper of the Heart, The Secret World of
| Arrietty, and From Up on Poppy Hill.
| kleiba wrote:
| Excellent, thanks very much!
| Der_Einzige wrote:
| Note that his sons films are conspicuously missing from this
| list, hehe. Tales from the earth sea was absolute garbage.
| tehnub wrote:
| Well I was only saying the films directed or written by
| Hayao Miyazaki. I actually did list From Up on Poppy Hill,
| directed by Goro and co-written by Hayao.
| baby wrote:
| Princess mononoke, totoro, spirited away, kiki, porco rosso,
| floating castle, castle in the sky, basically all of them
| except the last ones IMO (ponyo, the wind rises)
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