[HN Gopher] Scary Hasty
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Scary Hasty
Author : GavinAnderegg
Score : 72 points
Date : 2023-11-12 12:35 UTC (10 hours ago)
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| aidos wrote:
| I'm going to put whatever did I or didn't happen here aside and
| marvel for a moment at how complicated it must be to coordinate
| the logistics behind managing release schedules of both hardware
| and software and preinstalling OSs on all these machines.
| GavinAnderegg wrote:
| Apple's hardware -- especially the M-series processors -- has
| been excellent lately. On the software side, it feels to me like
| there's been a large falloff in quality. This story is a good
| example of that, and I'd really love if we could get a release of
| macOS that focuses on bug fixes.
| selimnairb wrote:
| Craig Ferengi is too busy combing his hair. Or he is too much
| of a lightweight to convince Tim Cook that software quality,
| not quantity needs to be more of a focus.
| helf wrote:
| Ferengi.. lol that made me chuckle.
| karmakaze wrote:
| Had to look that one up: "Craig Federighi"
| thowaway91234 wrote:
| > Craig Ferengi is too busy massaging his own ears
|
| FTFY
| danieldk wrote:
| I have seen this kind of comment on the web since I switched to
| macOS in 2007. There were some very bad years, when Apple
| apparently thought that iPad was the future of computing. But
| the all the Apple Silicon releases have been rock-solid for me.
|
| Seems like there were some missteps with introducing the M3,
| but macOS on existing hardware has been pretty good for me.
|
| (Before someone starts about Snow Leopard, the early Snow
| Leopard releases were also pretty buggy, only near the end of
| the release cycle did it get good.)
| mlyle wrote:
| Rock-solid is a little far-- I've not been free of weirdness
| on M1 Max. But overall I agree-- things feel like they've
| been better than the vast majority of my tenure on MacOS
| ("X", all the way back to the original "Mac OS X Server" in
| 1999).
|
| I don't update to new major releases immediately if I can
| help it, though.
| lapcat wrote:
| > Before someone starts about Snow Leopard, the early Snow
| Leopard releases were also pretty buggy, only near the end of
| the release cycle did it get good.
|
| This is one of the most misunderstood things about software
| releases. It's an iron law: major software updates always
| introduce more bugs than they fix. What you need is a lot of
| minor bug fix updates between the major updates, and Snow
| Leopard had about 2 years of bug fixes releases. What people
| remember fondly is not Mac OS X 10.6.0 but rather 10.6.8
| v1.1.
|
| Apple's annual major release schedule is just too rapid to
| leave any time to fix bugs. They need to go back to 2 years
| or more between major releases.
| troupo wrote:
| > but macOS on existing hardware has been pretty good for me.
|
| If you don't count all the shitty Catalyst and Swift UI
| _first party_ apps. If you don 't count things like even
| switching keyboard layouts is a second-long animation that
| swallows keystrokes. If you don't count things like this:
| https://twitter.com/krzyzanowskim/status/1707684940337283563
| or this: https://mjtsai.com/blog/2022/05/12/the-apple-
| services-experi... or this:
| https://mjtsai.com/blog/2022/12/27/ventura-issues/ or...
| dave4420 wrote:
| Another one: Switching between full screen windows doesn't
| swallow keystrokes as such, but sends them to the window
| you're switching away from, instead of to the window you're
| switching to, while the animation completes. Highly
| annoying.
| kraig911 wrote:
| This I think toes up to that saying - we've always done
| things this way so we'll continue to, even since OS X came
| out. These yearly releases are kind of drab for OS X I think.
| I want a huge focus on integration between my devices, I wish
| they'd go all in in icloud and make it where my stuff is just
| whatever device i'm on. Almost like how good they've made
| Bluetooth work on my airpod pro's work on whatever device I'm
| using.
| ed wrote:
| i don't expect much investment in iCloud since the trend
| (like it or not) is for cloud services to manage our data
| instead
| troupo wrote:
| There's a tweet exemplifies the state of Apple software, and
| Apple's attention to it:
| https://twitter.com/krzyzanowskim/status/1707684940337283563
| dcow wrote:
| Did it annoy anybody else that during the whole event they
| compared M3 to M1 as if M2 didn't exist? Guess they didn't think
| 5-10% improvement would market well? But does anybody in their
| target audience even care or do they just buy the new hardware
| anyway?
| dave4420 wrote:
| Means their target audience includes people who own M1 Macs,
| but doesn't include people who own M2 macs?
|
| (Although I don't think most M1 owners will be interested in
| upgrading yet. Maybe they should just compare to Intel chips.)
| macintux wrote:
| Especially since the M2 generation was very recent. Not much
| of a time gap.
| Schiendelman wrote:
| If anything this is recognition that they know their customers
| don't feel the need to upgrade every year! It's refreshing.
| raspasov wrote:
| Maybe I've been lucky but I haven't noticed a deterioration of
| software quality in MacOS. Things have been stable, perhaps even
| improved overall. Also the UI overall is extremely snappy, but
| likely that's because of the M-series architectures.
|
| I recall 10 years ago (circa 2012) I'd purchase a brand new
| MacBook Pro and things would have a small but frequent lag in
| many UI across the OS. And no, not only during initial sync. It
| would be a normal part of the "experience".
|
| Haven't noticed any such thing especially with M-series in recent
| years.
| msoad wrote:
| Same! I don't get why there are so many complains about macOS?
| It works very well for me; as a programmer or as a simple media
| consumer user. In fact I switched to Safari for web browsing a
| few years ago and have not looked back. I use Chrome only for
| debugging web apps.
| sneak wrote:
| It's because macOS used to be made with an inordinate (and I
| cannot emphasize this enough) amount of care for the user
| experience for the sake of the user experience.
|
| Now that Apple has an existential crisis for growth and has
| become a services company, almost all Apple effort in
| software is aimed at maximizing recurring revenue and
| subscriptions. The UX for fitness, iCloud, IAPs, Apple TV,
| Arcade, Apple Pay, etc is top notch, because it makes them
| more money on an ongoing basis.
|
| The Finder, not so much.
|
| Also, a lot of the people who used to care deeply on a
| philosophical level about the UX of a computer for its own
| sake have either retired or moved on to other companies.
| Apple is not the same culture as it was fifteen years ago. A
| lot of younger people that work there don't understand the
| Apple-ness of the Jobs era, and the products speak more to
| DJI than vegan counterculture hippies.
|
| There is also obviously a lot of product-manager-career-
| driven-design going on, same as any other hip modern tech
| company in no danger of going out of business (cf Slack,
| Dropbox, etc).
|
| Apple was, in many ways, an outgrowth of the obsessive nature
| of Jobs. He's gone and it is perfectly natural that Apple
| would regress toward the mean of any well funded hip tech
| company.
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