[HN Gopher] Lost "Doctor Who" episodes found but owner is reluct...
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Lost "Doctor Who" episodes found but owner is reluctant to hand
them to BBC
Author : wslh
Score : 166 points
Date : 2023-11-11 13:08 UTC (1 days ago)
(HTM) web link (www.theguardian.com)
(TXT) w3m dump (www.theguardian.com)
| h2odragon wrote:
| FYI, archive.org has a bunch of whats been available:
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| https://archive.org/details/doctorwho_s01
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| https://archive.org/details/doctorwho_s02
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| https://archive.org/details/doctorwho_s03_v2
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| https://archive.org/details/doctorwho_s04
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| https://archive.org/details/doctorwho_s05
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| https://archive.org/details/doctorwho_s06
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| https://archive.org/details/doctorwho_s07
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| https://archive.org/details/doctorwho_s08
| jakderrida wrote:
| Holy crap! How long has this been available? Every time I read
| up on it, finding it was like the thing of legends.
| edent wrote:
| Those aren't lost episodes. They are available on DVD and
| iPlayer.
| jakderrida wrote:
| Oh, now I got it. Thank you so much for clarifying.
| rbanffy wrote:
| The easiest solution would be to send them anonymously to a third
| party abroad, who'd then proceed to digitise the tapes, returning
| the originals to the collectors, and hand the resulting files to
| the BBC. Setting up a trustable network of anonymous relays
| crossing jurisdictions for physical goods is the hard part, and
| tends to attract the wrong kind of attention to the ones
| involved.
| egorfine wrote:
| I'm such a third party, could do it.
|
| I could't care less about restoring BBC history if BBC
| themselves don't care enough to lay down a legal way for this
| to happen without my help.
| thatguy0900 wrote:
| This is how it feels to me. Dump them on a pirate site, no
| reason to give them to the BBC if they have no interest in
| trying to get them
| rbanffy wrote:
| Are we sure the copyright belongs to BBC and not the royal
| family?
| drewcoo wrote:
| > The easiest solution would be to . . .
|
| That doesn't meet the goal of amnesty.
|
| Before the footage is made available, the people holding that
| footage have leverage.
|
| Once they share it somehow, the leverage is gone and it's
| unlikely that they'd be given amnesty. In fact, the act of
| sharing the footage has some nonzero chance of revealing people
| . . .
| rbanffy wrote:
| They wouldn't need amnesty if they can never be identified.
| Also, they could return the BBCs property anonymously and
| release the digitised versions after that.
| deely3 wrote:
| Surely this third party abroad will not alter stored footage
| with some hidden and pranky details..
| wilg wrote:
| Why is the BBC being weird about it?
| rodent_rodeo wrote:
| In the article: The collectors involved are ex-employees and so
| are terrified. The rule was that you didn't take anything, even
| if it had been thrown out. But if you loved film and knew it
| would be important one day, what did you do? So what we need
| now is an amnesty," he said.
| Mindwipe wrote:
| There have been a lot of attempts to extort money out of the
| BBC by people falsely claiming that they have lost episodes
| over the years, they may simply not believe these claims are as
| credible as the article suggests.
| gwern wrote:
| That doesn't make any sense. OP is about reports that BBC
| refuses to make any legal promises and talk only vaguely
| about cooperating with owners, when it would be so easy for
| them to simply publicly promise to not prosecute material
| stole before, say, 1990. Obviously, granting 'an amnesty for
| stolen episodes' is even easier for fake episodes which were
| never stolen in the first place... The credibility of the
| claims is irrelevant.
| walterbell wrote:
| Preservers of cultural memory should be rewarded.
|
| Canada spent years digitizing classic TV and published the shows
| on a Youtube channel, then suddenly deleted all the content
| without notice to archivers,
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35716982.
|
| In the absence of social contracts for preservation, we are left
| with defensive archiving.
| petermcneeley wrote:
| Why preserve what you wish not to remember.
| patmorgan23 wrote:
| Because someone else might want to remember
| hughesjj wrote:
| And that someone else may be future me
| dylan604 wrote:
| which is funny, as who is going to watch all of this older
| content? younger generations do not watch older content.
| there's so much content being made daily that there's not
| enough time to watch old stuff even if it might be of
| interest. they just wait for it to be remade.
| david-gpu wrote:
| Researchers.
| Exoristos wrote:
| People watch older content all the time.
| kubiton wrote:
| Ml training for example.
|
| "Generate cartoon in style of"
| unicornmama wrote:
| Because you don't create the future by destroying the past.
| 462436347 wrote:
| > These collectors were seen as criminals, but now we can see
| they are really saviours. An amnesty would stop them being
| frightened of prosecution," he said.
|
| The UK is unusual in that it has no statute of limitations for
| most crimes besides "summary offenses" (equivalent to US
| misdemeanors):
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limitation_periods_in_the_Unit...
| gonzo41 wrote:
| He should give the tapes to the British museum out of spite.
| They BBC will never get the back and the British Museum doesn't
| care what crimes were committed as long as their collection
| grows.
| arp242 wrote:
| Send the tapes to Greece, Egypt, Nigeria, what-have-you.
| astrange wrote:
| > perhaps pay something to these elderly collectors, a few of
| whom are now unwell, or caring for others
|
| This reasoning would be a surprise to all the Europeans who like
| to say their universal healthcare means noone can possibly ever
| be out a single cent from being ill.
| Philpax wrote:
| What are you on about
| astrange wrote:
| It's a common (maybe) sentiment that the only cost to being
| sick in the UK is having to pay for parking at the hospital.
|
| I actually asked what happens if you own your own business
| and eg were in the hospital for cancer for months recently
| and a bunch of European posters got extremely huffy and
| lectured me that you would never be in any trouble in your
| life ever at all because unemployment would cover all of it.
| So I would say they appear to actually believe this.
| stevage wrote:
| Seems like an article that would have been vastly improved if
| they had simply put the question about an amnesty directly to the
| BBC and printed their response.
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