[HN Gopher] In a cameras-everywhere culture, science fiction bec...
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In a cameras-everywhere culture, science fiction becomes reality
(2015)
Author : haltist
Score : 17 points
Date : 2023-11-05 18:03 UTC (4 hours ago)
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| robg wrote:
| Pretty wild if you told me 20 years ago we'd buy always watching
| cameras for outside our homes and always listening microphones
| for inside our homes.
| ghaff wrote:
| It's hard to say what the ultimate outcome is. Presumably, there
| are far more photographs taken of unguarded moments at college
| parties or wherever. On the other hand, I assume there is at
| least a degree of self-censorship and few people are literally
| livestreaming 24/7 or posting photos of every moment that would
| possibly embarass someone someday. Or maybe people just learn to
| mostly not care about this sort of thing.
| dbtc wrote:
| Sometimes I wonder what it was like to live in a time and place
| where I and everyone around me sincerely believed that an
| omniscient presence was observing each of us constantly.
| Throw389559 wrote:
| We live in crazy times. I think people should wear body cams,
| record 24/7, and store video for several years, just to prevent
| any misunderstandings.
|
| Imagine you are married for 20 years, and your wife remembers
| that 15 years ago, she was too tired to consent and you coerced
| her into sex. It would be great to have archival footage, that
| shows, she was the one who initiated on that day!
|
| Or imagine you are a male teacher at school, and you do not
| record everything! Your life could be ruined so easily!
| ghaff wrote:
| I assume there is an implied /s. Fortunately we're not at the
| point (under most circumstances) where most of us need a
| personal version of drivecam footage for everything.
| Throw389559 wrote:
| Most people do not need data backups. Until they do need
| them...
| ghaff wrote:
| I do make multiple data backups. Because something WILL
| (almost certainly) happen sooner or later.
|
| I can't defend against every eventuality that may happen to
| me although I take mostly reasonable precautions. Which
| doesn't include recording everything 24/7.
| Throw389559 wrote:
| Maybe 24/7 is impractical. But it is pretty easy to put
| camera into bedroom. And if you put big industrial label
| "This area is monitored by CCTV" as decoration, it makes
| recording perfectly legal! Nothing impractical on that.
| ghaff wrote:
| That's fine. I just will not be entering your house for
| any purpose.
| EvanAnderson wrote:
| I sincerely want tagged recordings (GPS, transcript, facial and
| speaker recognition) of my life. I find so much utility in the
| "panopticon" I already have with my browser history, credit
| card receipt, call metadata, text messages, and email. I wish I
| could have it for all of my life.
|
| Running counter to that is my fear that such data could never
| be kept secure. I don't want it for that reason, and I question
| whether what I already have is a good idea.
|
| I am also disturbed that corporations and law enforcement have
| a version of that panopticon for me that can only be used
| against me.
| Throw389559 wrote:
| Keep voice recorder on, run it through voice recognition,
| process notes, destroy records. Pretty simple method for
| taking notes.
| JohnFen wrote:
| > I think people should wear body cams, record 24/7, and store
| video for several years
|
| That is a nightmare world that I absolutely would not want to
| live in, right there.
| smokel wrote:
| It's a happy coincidence that thanks to AI, soon people will
| trust authenticity of video as much as that of written text.
| Animats wrote:
| Orwell's Big Brother was grim. China's Big Brother is
| delightfully upbeat.[1][2][3]
|
| [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9p1jWfzNrg
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| [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5U2LWuBFIR0
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| [3] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFnkSuyRV54
| rossant wrote:
| Generalization of 24/7 footage of infants <12 months could be a
| game-changer in the 50-year-long scientific and legal controversy
| around medical determinations of shaken baby syndrome/abusive
| head trauma (SBS/AHT) [1].
|
| It is hotly debated whether the majority of these diagnoses
| (frequently relying on the sole observation of blood around the
| brain and behind the eyes in infants without any obvious
| explanation nor history of major trauma) represent actual cases
| of child abuse, or false allegations of abuse on infants
| suffering from undiagnosed rare diseases [2]. Legal and societal
| ramification of this controversy are unprecedented, with
| thousands of parents and caretakers emprisoned and as many
| children removed from their home.
|
| The persons accused of shaking their baby because subdural and
| retinal hemorrhage were found are presumed guilty, and they have
| no way of proving their innocence, that is, that their baby was
| never shaken... UNLESS they're able to provide 24/7 footage of
| their infant (or at least, the few hours/days before the baby's
| sudden collapse).
|
| I estimate that these events occur in 1 infant out of 3000 every
| year. I think we have the technology to generalize such recording
| systems dedicated to infants <12 months at a reasonable cost.
| With a few thousands systems in the US population for example,
| we'd have within a single year a few instances of babies
| collapsing (most often at home), brought to the hospital and
| presenting subdural and retinal hemorrhage with the videotaped
| proof of what happened before the collapse: abuse or no abuse.
| Whatever the cameras find out, this could be the final blow to
| this enduring controversy.
|
| Of note, this recent article [3] showing exactly this, a history
| of short fall supposedly causing these injuries that was
| dismissed by doctors who usually believe short falls never cause
| them. Video footage obtained by the police actually proved the
| history of the short fall (the doctors thought it was an
| "outlier" though).
|
| [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37650402
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| [2] https://shakenbaby.science/
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| [3]
| https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S10918...
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