[HN Gopher] Fuchsia F14
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Fuchsia F14
Author : mbStavola
Score : 33 points
Date : 2023-11-03 21:38 UTC (1 hours ago)
(HTM) web link (fuchsia.dev)
(TXT) w3m dump (fuchsia.dev)
| biorach wrote:
| what's this for again?
| goalieca wrote:
| So google can inject adware into the kernel itself instead for
| Android.
| anotherhue wrote:
| Yeah Google didn't control enough of the stack for their
| liking.
| rwmj wrote:
| Is it still being funded by Google? That seemed to be in doubt
| earlier in the year.
| Grazester wrote:
| It's an open source project that is developed by Google(not
| funded by). It's use on their Google hub devices. They had
| layoff in the department but until they decide to discontinue
| their smart devices then they will continue active
| development of this.
| fidotron wrote:
| In seriousness it is so that Google could update a kernel and
| any board/platform specific drivers would (in principle) be
| unaffected, plus all the extra security.
|
| In theory a great idea.
| 0cf8612b2e1e wrote:
| I also want to know why they did not start with seL4 as the
| base. A Proven micro kernel foundation with real resources to
| provide all the missing user space pieces would be a huge win
| for the industry.
| lugu wrote:
| They probably started with LK because it had all the drivers
| from Qualcomm.
|
| https://fuchsia.dev/fuchsia-src/concepts/kernel/zx_and_lk
| jsight wrote:
| I wonder the same thing. There's enough there that it could
| replace the basis for Chrome OS, right? I wonder if that could
| happen in the near-ish future.
|
| Maybe also it could find its place in Google servers, and
| more... eventually?
| bbkane wrote:
| Interesting that F13 and F14 (this release) aren't listed on the
| parent page: https://fuchsia.dev/whats-new/release-notes
|
| Regardless, from a "software tourism" perspective, I'm happy to
| see Google is still putting work into Fuschia. I read somewhere
| that the team has been really impacted by layoffs.
|
| I personally think the time is ripe for an OS with more modern
| security primitives than Linux/Windows.
| birdyrooster wrote:
| It would be nice if macOS had some competition.
| hotnfresh wrote:
| No joke, this was my main hope for fuschia. I don't think
| Linux or the BSDs can compete without a total re-think of
| their multimedia and GUI stacks (and the needed re-think does
| not look like Wayland).
|
| I'm no longer too hopeful that Fuscia will be it, with its
| snail's-pace development and seemingly having been back-
| burnered on top of that, but it's what I'd hoped to get out
| of it.
| dontlaugh wrote:
| Wayland is close to macOS windowing, just like systemd is
| close to launchd. That's how open source can approach the
| competence of macOS, or Windows for that matter.
| IntelMiner wrote:
| The longer this project seems to...drag on? without "replacing
| android" the more I get a sense it seems like somewhere that
| Google engineers who aren't "good enough" go to "rest and vest"
|
| As far as I'm aware it runs on exactly one Google product,
| because they aborted attempts to shoe-horn it into some others?
| harikb wrote:
| I would give them the benefit of doubt that there are forces
| outside of the control of those who are really building these
| things. Frankly, kind of presumptuous to call them inferior
| engineers. Working on an OS, particularly one that has to out-
| perform ios and android isn't simple.
| 0cf8612b2e1e wrote:
| When you see the massive progress being made by say the Redox
| project (Rust based microkernel), it feels there has to be
| something internal which is preventing the project from
| advancing.
| vore wrote:
| What mass market hardware is Redox being shipped on direct
| from manufacturers? Fuchsia is shipping on the Nest Hub,
| where is Redox?
| wiseowise wrote:
| Android is one of the most successful Google products, why
| would they announce that this experimental whatever it is is
| replacing it?
| readams wrote:
| It's not going to replace Android, but it could replace the
| Linux part that lives under Android.
| tomcam wrote:
| Downvoted because while I don't love Google, I really don't
| like passive aggression like this, especially when it's wrong.
|
| > ... the more I get a sense it seems like somewhere that
| Google engineers who aren't "good enough" go to "rest and vest"
|
| The rest and vest thing is rare but the exception is usually
| people in acquihires they don't want to let go of. Usually
| they're the opposite of what you're imagining--very smart
| people they just don't want working at other companies.
|
| The ones who aren't good enough are released. This is 2023.
| megiddo wrote:
| If it was a company you could trust with LTS, it would be
| interesting.
| Andrex wrote:
| Seven years of Pixel updates and 10 years of ChromeOS updates
| aren't _nothing._
| ahmedfromtunis wrote:
| For people who understand this type of things, how would you
| describe the internals of this OS compared to Linux? How is this
| better/worse than Linux from a code standpoint?
| jauntywundrkind wrote:
| How does HN feel about every tech submission having a quickly
| topvoted thread that is either an explainer or asking for an
| explainer?
|
| It's kind of interesting to me to see the various takes. But I
| also kind of feel like folks should just go search for the
| thing & find & recommend something, rather than asking what is
| this for each time (sometimes very rudely! Not here thanks
| you!). https://hn.algolia.com/?q=fuchsia
| remir wrote:
| Beside Google, is there other companies contributing to and
| building products with Fuchsia?
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