[HN Gopher] VW Group's troubled Cariad software division to lay ...
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VW Group's troubled Cariad software division to lay off 2k workers
Author : FirmwareBurner
Score : 23 points
Date : 2023-11-03 16:55 UTC (6 hours ago)
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(TXT) w3m dump (www.autoblog.com)
| FirmwareBurner wrote:
| That would be 1/3 (a third) of their workforce:
|
| _" VW's info page on the division says the unit employs roughly
| 6,000 people around the world, up from roughly 4,500 at the end
| of 2021. Despite that same page claiming Cariad is building "the
| leading tech stack for the automotive industry," the failed
| stacks brought down the division's first CEO in less than a year,
| then brought down VW Group CEO Diess two years later as problems
| continued."_
| burstmode wrote:
| > That would be 1/3 (a third) of their workforce
|
| Yep, that's probably all the SCRUM masters...
| FirmwareBurner wrote:
| And middle-managers who's sole job is to ask the scrum
| masters "when is it gonna be ready?" and then report it up
| the chain.
| nine_zeros wrote:
| Don't forget the Product managers and other managers of
| managers.
|
| https://devmynd-production-
| uploads.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/...
| vsskanth wrote:
| That's a huge restructure. What are they doing now for car
| software then? Just Android automotive?
| FirmwareBurner wrote:
| From the article: _" As it awaits its v1.2 VW Group software,
| Porsche said it's going to move ahead with Google Built-In as
| an interim solution."_
| TacticalCoder wrote:
| > ... Porsche said it's going to move ahead with Google
| Built-In as an interim solution
|
| That's kinda weird as Porsche moved from QNX (say for a 2013
| Porsche) to Apple CarPlay (starting from 2017 or something?).
| If you buy a brand new Porsche today I'm pretty sure it comes
| with Apple CarPlay.
|
| Maybe this is about more than just the infotainment system?
| kramerger wrote:
| Can someone explain to me what kind of software they were
| developing and what kind of problems they were facing?
|
| The post is very thin on details
| FirmwareBurner wrote:
| How many big companies do you know who give out public details
| to the press about the technical issues they are facing during
| development?
| kramerger wrote:
| The whole article is about "everyone have problem with this".
| What is "this"? Why is it so problematic??
|
| Is it realy an invalid question? Besides, I'm sure someone on
| HN has inside info on this.
| FirmwareBurner wrote:
| "this" being "the software" Carriad is working on and has
| to ship to VW companies. Why would Carriad give more
| details about the issues their are facing with their SW?
|
| Maybe those issues aren't technical but are just masking an
| organizational shit show, which given my experience with
| large SW projects in Germany would be mi first guess, but
| either way, it's not like Carriad has any incentive to hang
| their dirty laundry in public so that everyone can see how
| much they suck at whatever their doing so I don't get why
| you're expecting them to when there's no positive benefits
| for them to do so but only negatives.
| madduci wrote:
| My vote goes for Scrum and micromanaging. I wonder what are
| 2000 people needed for, in such a project.
| thephyber wrote:
| As of 4 years ago, the VW Group strategy was to have multiple
| competing OSes (close to one per brand).
|
| Around 2019, VW Group changed their strategy to unify software
| for all brands and platforms under the same car OS and bring
| more of the module/vendor code in-house. This is partially
| useful as the company-wide goal is to convert most of the fleet
| to electric, but also to change the revenue model somewhat
| (increase subscriptions and ICE pay features).
|
| Some background:
| https://arstechnica.com/cars/2019/09/volkswagen-audi-porsche...
| CBarkleyU wrote:
| CARIAD is suffering from being born out of two forced merging
| strategies (Carmeq into CarSW into Cariad) while having two
| silent killers waiting for the perfect moment to snap (Audi,
| Porsche ousting Diess).
|
| It's sad. Volkswagen should've just stuck with having a better
| in house dev team for it's Volkswagen brand while leaving Audi
| and Porsche do their own thing.
|
| VW just tried to do too many things at once for too many
| parties. Obviously there's no "one thing" that they were
| struggling with, it's a company with 6000 employees trying to
| juggle several VW brands needs, sometimes against their wish.
|
| They're paying good money tho (Germany money, not silicon
| valley money)
| tibbydudeza wrote:
| The ID.3 EV car had some serious software issues at launch -
| instead of using subcontractors like Bosch (fuel injection) or
| Blaupunkt for Infotainment they wanted to do their own stack like
| Tesla.
|
| A big ask starting from scratch.
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