[HN Gopher] Razor 1911
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Razor 1911
Author : jruohonen
Score : 203 points
Date : 2023-10-30 16:05 UTC (6 hours ago)
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(TXT) w3m dump (en.wikipedia.org)
| darklycan51 wrote:
| Definitely not me but man I remember headbanging to my friends
| keygen software from Razor1911
| pixelpoet wrote:
| Keygen music is truly one of the greatest genres, absolutely no
| joke.
| sysadm1n wrote:
| You can browse chiptune/keygen music here:
| https://chiptune.app/
| CapstanRoller wrote:
| Nostalgia overload, especially with the UI
| chungus wrote:
| http://keygenmusic.tk/
|
| and here
| malermeister wrote:
| The artist behind a lot of that still makes music - under the
| name dubmood! I like this song for example:
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7RE8ue6V74
| Mindless2112 wrote:
| Another Razor 1911 musician runs an internet radio station:
| https://scenesat.com/
| m0zzie wrote:
| I have vivid memories of reopening game installers from CLASS,
| long after installing, just so I could keep listening to the
| music. This one by Maktone still pops into my head from time to
| time, almost 25 years on:
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NjxgaZtHqA
| mavamaarten wrote:
| I have an mp3 of the patcher/keygen by Digital Insanity for
| Sony Vegas in my music collection. Such a banger, even after
| all those years.
| Eduard wrote:
| this one? https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2nwiff
| markus92 wrote:
| Unreal Superhero 3
| w0z_ wrote:
| Haha, same - found it on YouTube:
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCMzIE9p07Y
|
| I didn't think many people cracked Vegas back in the day, I
| needed it for digital media presentations :)
| halper wrote:
| Wow, that brings back memories. Long nights, CRTs, that fresh and
| health-promoting smell of warm electronics in poorly ventilated
| spaces, microwaved garbage food, sugary drinks ... not sure how
| my friends and I survived until adulthood.
| waynesonfire wrote:
| You were one of the lucky to have found your people.
| blackhaz wrote:
| I need to find a CRT and recreate one of those nights. Always
| wanted a 17" Viewsonic.
| digitalsanctum wrote:
| I remember being pretty stoked after getting a flat screen
| CRT. Oh how things have changed
| short_sells_poo wrote:
| I'd say you'll feel miserable and will wonder what is it you
| are missing from the old days. We look at it with rose tinted
| glasses, but for all practical purposes, everything was
| significantly worse back then. The kind of hardware and
| software we have available today was the stuff of the wildest
| dreams and imagination.
|
| I remember we could spend entire weeks in 4 player Doom 2
| deathmatch during summer with my friends. We could spend an
| entire day just playing made-up scenarios where we tried to
| kite cyberdemons from one part of the map into another (an
| exercise which we called demon shepherding).
|
| I fired up Doom 2 again on one of the many ports and it looks
| great, all the nice memories came flooding back, and yet it
| wasn't the same. It made me realize that the magic wasn't in
| the games, or the computers or the people. The magic was in
| us being a bunch of kids born into infinite curiosity and no
| (real) responsibilities. That magic unfortunately cannot be
| recreated in adult life.
|
| Now if you spend an all-nighter on any hobby, your 30+ year
| old body will wake up feeling rubbish the next day. Do it 2-3
| days in a row, and you'll feel like death.
|
| I can afford any piece of hardware and any game my heart
| desires, my steam library numbers more than 200 games. I have
| played less than half of them, and less than a quarter to
| completion. It's the age old curse of aging :)
|
| When you are young, you have time but no money. When you are
| old, you have money but no time.
| ilyt wrote:
| It took like a decade to get average LCD screen to look as
| good as old CRT. And still need a ton of post-processing to
| make old pixel art games to look as good as before on LCD.
|
| And I did play a bunch of games 10-20-30 years after they
| were released and they still hold up. My limit seems to be
| around SNES-era graphics, before that it just feels too
| ugly and clunky for me.
|
| Sure, many games just feel like any modern titles do
| everything better, but some play just fine if you can
| stomach some of the obsolete mechanics.
|
| > I fired up Doom 2 again on one of the many ports and it
| looks great, all the nice memories came flooding back, and
| yet it wasn't the same. It made me realize that the magic
| wasn't in the games, or the computers or the people. The
| magic was in us being a bunch of kids born into infinite
| curiosity and no (real) responsibilities. That magic
| unfortunately cannot be recreated in adult life.
|
| I thought about it a lot and come to conclusion that every
| new interesting experience bumps our "standard" up and so
| once you accumulate a ton of that it's just harder and
| harder to be wowed by new game, even if it is just fine,
| fun and plays nice. But me getting my first car in my 30s
| was still thrilling and I was giggling like mad so dunno
| about "kid" part. Yeah kids know shit all so everything new
| is exciting but that doesn't mean you can't find magic
| moments in the adulthood, just amount of work required is
| higher.
| chanandler_bong wrote:
| Youth is wasted on the young.
| scubbo wrote:
| > When you are young, you have time but no money. When you
| are old, you have money but no time.
|
| I've heard it described as a three-phase progression:
|
| * Child -> Time and Energy, but no Money * Adult -> Energy
| and Money, but no Time * Elder -> Time and Money, but no
| Energy
|
| (Where "Energy" is a short-hand including also physical
| capability and bodily health)
| riversflow wrote:
| Off topic:
|
| > Your 30+ year old body
|
| Hey, wake up call, not just to parent commenter but anyone.
|
| If you feel this way in your _30 's_ chances are good you
| should probably spend more time focusing on your physical
| health. Start getting more exercise and working on your
| diet.
|
| You don't need to go crazy, just make small improvements
| and try to stick with them as much as you can. Start
| simple: Go for a short walk in the morning when you get up.
| Cut back on refined sugars, alcohol and sugary drinks.
|
| I'm in my early 30's and my capacity to push hard and be
| durable is stronger than ever. But I made small but steady
| steps on my diet and kept up a modicum of conditioning
| throughout my 20's. I love backpacking, so "durability" is
| something I'm very interested in.
|
| For example, this weekend I was easily able to stay up and
| game with friends in their early to mid 20's(UFC 5 release)
| until the wee hours of the morning. I then slept curled up
| in a ball on the couch(it was cold and that position kept
| me warm) and bounced up first thing in the morning after
| like 3 hours of sleep feeling great.
|
| I don't do things like that often because it runs counter
| to being healthy. Sleep is when your body repairs itself,
| and it is constantly taking damage. My experience also is
| that when you are young, you are just less in-tune with
| your body. By the time you are 30 most people are actually
| able to recognize how detrimental sleep deeprivation is in
| the moment.
| doublerabbit wrote:
| Depends on the person. I too keep fit. As writing this
| I'm currently on the subway to go to sword fencing class.
|
| I feel the same as OP. If I miss sleep I feel wrecked and
| I'm 34.
| nintendo1889 wrote:
| Use red light glasses after sundown and use f.lux or iris
| (anti flicker software).
| short_sells_poo wrote:
| Of course you can slow down the process through living
| healthier. My point is: when you are young, you don't
| need to. You can go weeks having little sleep and be
| fine. You don't need to actively pursue a healthy
| lifestyle in order to avoid feeling drained. Your body
| reaches the peak in your 20s. After that it's a
| progressive decline.
|
| In your 30s, no matter what you do, your ability to
| recover starts to decline and you can no longer do stuff
| consequences free like before.
|
| You say if yourself: as long as you get enough sleep most
| of the time, you can pull an all nighter and feel fine.
| Pull 3 in a row and throw in some drinking, and you'll
| note a sharp difference between 25 year old you and 35
| year old you.
|
| Genetics plays a huge role in this. Some people win the
| lottery. However, by your 40s you realize that some
| activities might simply be off limits. Repetitive back
| injuries from lifting too vigorously mean that you have
| to cut back on deadlifts. You get dehydrated more easily
| and the symptoms are worse. You need to watch your ankle
| after having twisted it too many times during football.
|
| You have to accept it and move on. Some magic you had is
| lost, but you can usually replace it with other magic.
| You can't play 12h with your friends every day, but now
| you can afford a nice car for example, etc...
|
| You can't go clubbing 5 days a row, but you have the
| focus to train for a marathon and finish it.
|
| My post was about recognizing that the circumstances that
| make certain things possible when we are young simply
| disappear. Accept this and move on, there are other
| things that one can do.
| riversflow wrote:
| > Your body reaches the peak in your 20s.
|
| Citation needed. Plenty of people only reach their
| physical peak at 35+. It's not too late!
|
| > You have to accept it and move on
|
| No, you don't. You can bounce back, but it requires
| effort. All I can say is it's better to learn early than
| when you are 65+ and just had major surgery that you need
| to bouce back from if you want to keep living a normal
| life.
| bojan wrote:
| Recently I played a game of Civilization 1. It actually did
| take a me back to that feeling of awe that I had as a
| child, except now the sound worked and I was able to read
| English so I actually knew how to play, which enhanced the
| experience.
| Gibbon1 wrote:
| Reminds me of playing life on a minicomputer at my dads
| work in 1970. It's hard to grasp the feeling of seeing
| that when nothing like it exists elsewhere. Almost
| everything mechanical in 1970 was a purely mechanical
| device without a shred of agency.
|
| At the heart computers can represent and transform
| complex structured data iteratively. That was new new 50
| years ago.
| blackhaz wrote:
| Yep, same here. I fire up my 386DX-40 and Pentium-133
| occasionally.
|
| Civilization 1 and 2 are still beyond awesome. Very
| playable and loveable games. I play Doom II now more than
| I did when I was a kid. Mortal Kombat 3 is the best.
| Windows 95 and 98 are likely the best Window GUI ever for
| me. Microsoft Office 4.0 is pretty fast on a 386 with 4
| MB of RAM running Windows 3.1. At the age of 41 I've
| bought my first non-pirated version of Magic Carpet and
| now understand how to play this game. This game is
| freaking awesome. I can now afford to buy Sound Blaster
| AWE32 without asking my parents! IRC is still awesome.
| mIRC and EFNet still work!
|
| My life rocks now! (Except web browsing.)
| Borg3 wrote:
| Hey, an IRC dude and Doom 2 player here too :) We play
| ocasionaly using zandronum. If anything, find us on
| #games. Our IRC homepage: http://damnet.uu3.net/
| TylerE wrote:
| There's actually an SNES version of Civ. Surpassingly
| playable without a mass, but processing time on turn end
| is really long. To the point where it's not really
| playable past, say, 1700 or so because it gets to the
| point where it takes over a minute to end each turn and
| advance.
| ukyrgf wrote:
| Oh boy. I got my friend's old CRT when he was moving. Carried
| down 3 flights of narrow stairs, drove the hour back to my
| house, loaded it up the front steps, got my PS2 out of the
| attic, was so excited... and the PS2 doesn't work anymore.
| flir wrote:
| I had one of those! It made this amazing clunk-wibble noise
| when you hit the degauss button, and weighed more than my
| first car. Memory says PS600?
| graphe wrote:
| You need the hard drive seeking noise too or it won't feel
| righr
| HappyDaoDude wrote:
| Get on it sooner rather than later. Many CRT's were thrown
| out when they were considered obsolete and the ones remaining
| are dying from age.
| rubinlinux wrote:
| > Dycus, a member of Razor 1911, died of throat cancer in 2012.
| Unfrozen0688 wrote:
| That's still me now but LED screens and mech keyboard...
| avg_dev wrote:
| > On April 22, 2011, Razor 1911's demo division won the public
| choice award[7] during the Scene.org Awards ceremony at The
| Gathering for their 64k intro "Insert No Coins" coded by Rez with
| music from Dubmood.[8]
|
| Insert No Coins: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5CNlMGcARA
| jchw wrote:
| This and The Scene Is Dead[1][2] are some truly extremely
| memorable 64k intros. I immediately thought of them when I saw
| this on the frontpage here.
|
| [1]: https://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=59105
|
| [2]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFXIGHOElrE
| doublerabbit wrote:
| Please don't nostalgise me of my script kiddie days..
|
| I miss those times; it all feels like we've all been lumped in to
| one big box.
| flykespice wrote:
| Btw the same group whose GTA cracked copies Rockstar were using
| to sell: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37394665
| airstrike wrote:
| Reminds me of when we were writing subtitles in Portuguese for
| pirated US only to see the fan subs copied verbatim on the
| actual cable channels months later, when episodes would finally
| get released in Brazil
|
| https://www.maxwell.vrac.puc-rio.br/18881/18881.PDF
|
| RIP InSUBs
| harrisonpage wrote:
| Are bots just submitting random Wikipedia articles?
| bigbillheck wrote:
| It's the action of but a few seconds to click on the
| submitter's name and from there their comment history.
| smokel wrote:
| To prove that you are elite, what do these mean: RZR, FLT, DRG,
| TDT, TRSI?
|
| Oh wait, you can just look these up on the internet :(
| naiv wrote:
| Hotline, Eagle Soft, ...
|
| I do not want too write too much but what a time.
| doublerabbit wrote:
| I knew that FLT was FairLight and TRSI was TriStar?
| velo_aprx wrote:
| tristar and red sector incorporated*
| maremmano wrote:
| Quartex? THG?
| nshkr wrote:
| the humble guys
| inversetelecine wrote:
| I miss tKC (The Keyboard Caper) and Phrozen Crew.
|
| FAiRLiGHT was popular during the game CD / SecurROM days iirc.
|
| PARADOX, CLASS, SKIDROW and RELOADED I remember as well.
|
| Reading .nfo files was fun, the artwork was great too.
| short_sells_poo wrote:
| I remember the sometimes less than subtle jabs these groups
| threw at each other in the nfo files :)
| rzzzt wrote:
| One of the "Commander-class" file managers had a quick view
| that displayed the contents of FILE_ID.DIZ if you navigated
| to a directory that had one.
| tommica wrote:
| Man, I do remember those names - never would have guessed
| that the groups that provided me so many games would make me
| feel nostalgic...
| jorvi wrote:
| I remember RZR, FLT and DRG. There was also a group doing rips
| where they took out all alternate language audio, re-compressed
| cutscenes, and then repacked the whole came with uHARC, turning
| 9.4GB downloads into 5GB, maybe even less. I had a good
| internet connection already at that time, but I imagine for
| people in countries with bad internet (<2020s American internet
| for example) it must have been magical.
| papaver wrote:
| to prove you are elite, what do these mean: f00, BAR, SLOW,
| ABS, NB, TF, SLM
|
| ;P
| WXLCKNO wrote:
| Is the main motivation for these groups notoriety?
|
| In particular this group was created before I was born, which
| makes me extremely curious about what makes them keep going this
| long.
| 29athrowaway wrote:
| http://www.textfiles.com/piracy/anatomy.txt
| fluder wrote:
| Yes and no. Access to warez dumps is more interesting part.
| ronjouch wrote:
| https://punctumbooks.com/titles/warez-the-infrastructure-and...
| digitalsanctum wrote:
| Great memories of spending all my time on IRC and hunting for
| Photoshop when it was just a desktop app. Untold hours spent in
| college while procrastinating for my next exam.
| pricees wrote:
| This hit hard. I have a smile from ear-to-ear.
|
| I can still remember plugging my USB Robotics 14.4k modem in for
| the first time. We could transfer 1 megabyte in 5 1/2 minutes!!
|
| Thanks for the memories.
|
| Here's a shout out to all those who read 2600 magazine and tried
| to hack their local PBXs so that they could call some TDT support
| board, internationally.
| borgchick wrote:
| I remember spending all the money in the world I had on a USR
| Courier HST, and that world changing moment the HST
| connected... ahh, good memories.
| 29athrowaway wrote:
| Besides a piracy group, they are a demoscene group. You can check
| their productions here
|
| https://www.pouet.net/groups.php?which=158
| gainda wrote:
| a fixture of my childhood .... in the early 00's. aXXo being the
| other one.
| marttt wrote:
| Ooh, as a pre-teen of An Early Post-Soviet Country, I remember
| how puzzled I was as to what the hell that message and the files
| with those curly logos in the folders of most of my pirated DOS
| games actually mean. A paper dictionary lookup (razor =
| "habemeajaja" or "raseerija" or "ziletitera" in Estonian) didn't
| help either. Also, in our language, "warez" rhymes with "vares"
| [v-uh-res], which typically stands for "hooded crow" (corvus
| cornix), so... this + 1911... uh... that didn't make sense
| either.
|
| As a boy really into drawing, I was seriously impressed by that
| ASCII art, though. It is surely a big part of why I still find
| the DOS/ASCII aesthetic the most pleasurable in terms of computer
| graphics and GUIs.
| skeletal88 wrote:
| Hiiele!
| seatac76 wrote:
| Man, lot of games I played were due to them, good times. They had
| such a trusted reputation.
| badrabbit wrote:
| Shoutout to C.O.R.E, who for some reason are missing from
| wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_warez_groups
| satvikpendem wrote:
| Ah, Razor. Sadly it seems that DRM companies like Irdeto, makers
| of Denuvo, are now simply hiring talented crackers such that
| there are very few people now able to crack games beyond simple
| DRM. Empress is the only one remaining.
| unaindz wrote:
| There are still more talented crackers in the wild, emulators
| still getting worked on, new DRMs being defeated, denuvo is the
| exception. Sadly you can't expect people to work a month+ for
| free for cracking games with arguably less quality every year.
|
| Also a pet theory of mine is that teenagers (the ones with
| actually free time) currently tend to pick these skills less
| often, more computer and internet access but tons more of cheap
| entertainment and a steeper learning curve. Who knows what I
| would have learned if I had TikTok, Instagram and infinite
| free/cheap games when growing up.
| satvikpendem wrote:
| > _Sadly you can 't expect people to work a month+ for free
| for cracking games with arguably less quality every year._
|
| True, at least one solace is that Denuvo is now a time-
| restricted SaaS, so if a game is old enough, Denuvo is often
| removed as the license duration has passed. So at the very
| least, we are still getting DRM-free games, we just have to
| become /r/patientgamers, a great sub by the way for these
| kinds of discussions on older games.
|
| > _Also a pet theory of mine is that teenagers (the ones with
| actually free time) currently tend to pick these skills less
| often_
|
| I've noticed this too, apparently lots of Gen Z don't know
| what a file system is as they only ever grew up with tablets
| and phones which don't expose these (usually iOS, while
| Android does to some extent).
| leshokunin wrote:
| The only groups are Empress and FitGirl? Sounds very
| progressive!
| satvikpendem wrote:
| It's actually unknown whether they are actually women, lol.
| sgloutnikov wrote:
| The Scene is a fun and related miniseries worth mentioning and
| checking out. [0][1]
|
| [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Scene_(miniseries)
|
| [1] https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLC2FCB2871C396459
| b8 wrote:
| The first season of The Scene is better than the second season
| (yeah it exists) in my opinion.
| jasondoty wrote:
| Anyone have inside stories to share on more modern software
| cracking in Scene/P2P?
| SSLy wrote:
| Just google for the unhinged Empress rants, everyone else is
| not interesting
| boppo1 wrote:
| Is there anything technical in those or is it just games-
| politics?
| branon wrote:
| I wouldn't say _technical_ but some of the recent ones have
| Empress and Skidrow feuding and there's some dialog about
| the peripherals of how the cracks are made (in between the
| slurs and personal attacks). For example
| https://i.redd.it/p3s5d14i7hib1.jpg
| m00dy wrote:
| Another group to mention is Knights Of Doom. Bunch of high school
| kids from Turkiye, they were rebranding already existing
| cracks/warez releases. One of the innovation that they brought to
| the scene was self-typed serial number boxes. So, you insert a CD
| to setup a game for example, you go through installer and then
| you realise serial number is already typed in. They even had
| their own forum so.
| nxobject wrote:
| They had an incredible capacity to compress large games... as a
| broke person with ~1MB/s ADSL, it was the only reason I was able
| to pirate GTA IV back in the day. They really thought about the
| common gamer...
| airstrike wrote:
| Funny to think of GTA IV as being "back in the day", but also
| didn't actually realize it's been 15 years already
| m348e912 wrote:
| Side note, I have and will continue to pronounce "Warez" like the
| Mexican city Juarez. I know it's wrong, but I read the word years
| before I heard someone pronounce it and it's stuck in my head
| that way.
| WD40forRust wrote:
| The correct pronunciation always is, always has been, and
| always will be: war'ehz.
| bonzaidrinkingb wrote:
| Hacker Ramzi was first big player in the Kazaa++ Warez Scene.
|
| He pronounced it War...Ez...
|
| https://youtu.be/bAQqrnX7BsM
| vizzah wrote:
| yeah, we've all pronounced it like that in xUSSR..
| ghuntley wrote:
| brings back memories https://ghuntley.com/under-suspicion/ the
| person who taught me how to program ran the r1911 botnet and was
| taken down in operation buccaneer.
| nintendo1889 wrote:
| NFO viewers on GitHub:
|
| https://github.com/model-map/EmpressNfo
|
| https://github.com/syndicodefront/infekt
|
| nfo files were used to describe the release.
|
| Similar to FILE_ID.DIZ files, which were a way to describe a zip
| file for bbs software to index them.
|
| Another good article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DrinkOrDie
| brotchie wrote:
| I learnt to code primarily by writing IRC bots for these groups +
| wrote an auto-trading FXP client in C++ that looked for pres
| dropping in top site channels, and automatically FXP couriered to
| other topsites.
|
| I wish I'd know back then (13 years old) what I know now (39) in
| terms of even simple things like linked lists, linear
| programming, estimators, etc, could have dominated.
|
| The "hardcore" in the scene would actually set up shell boxes and
| write a bunch of shell scripts to do auto trading. That also
| piqued my interest in learning Linux and Bash scripting.
| jmacd wrote:
| In 9th grade I was a "VP" of a group called aPC. We were
| couriers.
|
| I used to walk down the hallways of my Jr High school thinking
| how I was so fucking cool and not one single person around me
| knew it. :)
| burnte wrote:
| Ditto. I lucked into being a courier. We had a second phone
| line at my house and while we cancelled it, Bell Atlantic left
| it active for three YEARS, but no active billing attached to
| it, so I could call anywhere in the world for free. I used
| Slip.NET for years too, and became a courier between EU and
| North America, since I had free long distance I could make the
| long calls to upload/download. To this day I have spoken aloud
| my warez courier handle exactly once, to my wife, and I doubt
| she remembers it. There's two other people in the world who
| know (each ran a BBS in the 412 that were my US endpoints), but
| I doubt they remember today, and I have no plans on becoming
| culpable what that identity did. :D
| EternalUsenet wrote:
| The 412? As in the Pittsburgh area?
| jmacd wrote:
| Greets!
| exclusiv wrote:
| Same! And APC rings a bell - were they MP3 and ISO?
|
| I was an MP3 courier in a group on a lot of global top sites. I
| remember being in an irc chan for one of them (I think it was
| the hungarian one) and kali of the top group RNS stated his
| birthday or something else personal and said "oh crap I
| shouldn't have said that" lol. He was indicted by the DOJ in
| 2009! He was found not guilty of conspiracy to commit copyright
| infringementalthouh 4 other members pleaded guilty.
|
| They busted sites from time to time but RIAA couldn't do
| anything substantial. I stayed away from movies and tv because
| that was riskier and I enjoyed getting music a week or two
| before the p2p platforms got them. And also getting high
| quality rips. The sister group that did ISOs eventually got
| busted.
|
| Saw the move from ftp to fxp and shell accounts and semi-auto
| and automated trading. Some government officials would spend
| years to infiltrate the groups to bust the sites and members.
|
| Anyway, it was with being a courier that I got interested in
| code and had an insane amount of lines to handle all the
| topsite rules on what they would accept and I traded semi-
| automated. We even had a UI to help.
|
| I actually met a few people from those days in person and they
| were really cool. Still friends with one of them today. Many
| groups required meeting in person or doing a phone call before
| you could join and then they eventually relaxed that.
| jmacd wrote:
| MP3. They were mostly rippers but I was a courier who would
| get their stuff on topsites and then the indies or courier
| only groups would distro it. I have trouble remembering all
| the structure and rules (written and unwritten) after all
| these years, but an ASCii NFO file still makes my heart leap
| like nothing else!
| exclusiv wrote:
| Ah yes! So APC was more like an RNS then. I recall now
| after looking up some of your groups' releases too. APC was
| the next best group as far as releases to RNS. I probably
| have a ton of those NFO files from back in the day and the
| courier mp3 rankings for EU and US. I was #1 US and top 5
| Europe once. EU was quite hard due to competition and
| latency, although a uni shell account certainly helped. :)
|
| Most were current year only US releases, 192kbps and VBR?.
| Some accepted 320kbps and older releases if they had never
| been ripped. Some topsites only accepted releases from
| certain groups. My favorite site had a folder with an
| archive of all the billboard top 100 albums. I think that
| was the top swedish site (bbs?) or maybe chiplips which I
| believe was hungarian. There were a couple good ones in US
| (MIT/RIT) but the others were in sweden, hungary,
| netherlands. I think one in France.
|
| It was interesting to see how those groups and topsites
| were chased and shut down, but the P2P platforms that came
| out made it impossible to shut down anyway.
| nilespotter wrote:
| I was in RiSC in Jr High School. Not a VP though, not as /<rad
| I guess.
| figmert wrote:
| What's a VP and what's a courier in this context?
| jffry wrote:
| VP I assume is vice president?
|
| Courier is
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warez_group#Courier_groups
| ExoticPearTree wrote:
| And yeah, the bandwidth requirements back then to make it as a
| courier. I almost forgot about all the groups in the '90s.
|
| The .nfo files were the best art.
| NorSoulx wrote:
| Great memories being part of a few C64/Amiga groups and the demo-
| scene community back in the 80s, such as:
|
| * Special F/X (C64)
|
| * The Deadly Friends (C64)
|
| * The Supremacy (Amiga)
|
| We made the first ever Amiga Demo/Intro Creator back in May 1987,
| used by a few groups to create their first Amiga Intros,
| including Fairlight:
|
| https://coding-and-computers.blogspot.com/2022/05/first-amig...
| silisili wrote:
| > 1911 which translates to 777 in hexadecimal.
|
| Interesting. Having seen the name a million times in younger
| years, I always assumed it was a reference to the pistol.
| 0x008 wrote:
| Just a great time.
| TacticalCoder wrote:
| Muhahaaaa this thread full of people mentioning _.nfo_ files. You
| guys are ten years late at least! Razor 1911 was a C64 an Amiga
| group way before the PC scene was a thing [1]
|
| [1] My crew and I made _ex aequo_ first place at a PC demo-compo
| in Sweden /Uppsala, tied with Future Crew, before Future Crew
| became a thing so believe me I know about the PC scene being late
| to the game ; )
| w0z_ wrote:
| Music was also binded to AOL progz - miss those days.
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