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Weird A.I. Yankovic: a cursed deep dive into the world of voice
cloning
Author : waxpancake
Score : 198 points
Date : 2023-10-02 15:15 UTC (7 hours ago)
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| distantsounds wrote:
| The sampled voices sound neither like Michael Jackson nor Weird
| Al. A good effort, but a professional impersonator could likely
| do better on either front.
| code_runner wrote:
| I know what you mean. Its more noticeable (imo) on the Michael
| one.... but its definitely in there. I think the pitch
| correction is to blame for a bit of the weirdness.
| hinkley wrote:
| The best Michael Jackson interpreter in a town of 50,000 could
| do better than this. It's... this is bad.
| nemo44x wrote:
| It sounds like Weird Al trying to be Michael Jackson trying to
| be Weird Al.
| Reventlov wrote:
| As a non native speaker, it does sound a bit like Michael
| Jackson imo...
| hinkley wrote:
| Sometimes I'll watch a movie with voiceover work, where
| some character has a very specific accent, and I'll be
| watching along for twenty minutes and the VA will let slip
| just a couple syllables of their real voice and my ears
| will prick up and I'll think, hey I know this guy. Isn't
| that... oh the guy from the thing. From <wrong movie>, no
| wait I mean <other movie>? Yes, it is.
|
| That's what this sounds like. Five syllables of Michael
| Jackson while he's trying to be Action Hero or Big Villain,
| or Funny Sidekick (a problem Eddie Murphy has never had,
| all evidence from Coming to America notwithstanding).
| mecredis wrote:
| It's kind of wild that these tools just transfer a copy of these
| models every time they're spun up (whether it's to a Google Colab
| notebook or a local machine.)
|
| This must mean Hugging Face's bandwidth bill must be crazy, or am
| I missing something (maybe they have a peering agreement? heavily
| caching things?)
| pdntspa wrote:
| I really wish I could configure this crap to cache somewhere
| other than my C: drive
|
| Or better yet, how about asking me where I want to store my
| models?
| callalex wrote:
| I haven't used windows in a while but I thought it supported
| some form of cross-volume symlink? Or at least mounting an
| image stored on another volume to an arbitrary path.
| RajT88 wrote:
| Links in windows are a thing, but not well known. I must
| have been using Windows for close to 20 years before I
| realized they were in there.
|
| https://learn.microsoft.com/en-
| us/windows/win32/fileio/hard-...
|
| https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-
| server/administrat...
| jimmaswell wrote:
| mklink /d on windows has saved me many times.
| jonluca wrote:
| You can do a lot of these fully locally with things like RVC
| web ui or https://tryreplay.io/
| tr33house wrote:
| wish they had something for Linux
| satertek wrote:
| Their Python module caches the downloads, which is checked
| before downloading them again...but you're probably not wrong
| on the crazy bandwidth bill. Looks like they have crazy VC
| money though, considering the current climate.
| minimaxir wrote:
| The Colab notebooks are a fresh and independent session with
| no caching.
| infinityio wrote:
| Google might cache further up the chain, which could help
| civilitty wrote:
| Unmetered 10+ gigabit connections were on the order of
| $1/mbit/mo wholesale over a decade ago when I priced out a
| custom CDN so for the cost of 100 TB of data transfer out of
| AWS you could get a 24/7 sustained 10gbit/s (>3 PB per month at
| 100% utilization).
|
| Bandwidth has always been crazy cheap.
| hotnfresh wrote:
| Not all connections are created equal. Even some big
| providers clearly have iffy peering agreements upstream
| that'll manifest as terrible performance if you have a
| widely-geographically-distributed bandwidth-heavy load.
| colechristensen wrote:
| Indeed. If you're not using a cloud provider bandwidth is
| extremely cheap.
|
| In fact locally I can get a 10 gbps _home internet_ unmetered
| connection for $300 /mo.
|
| I'm not sure how they'd react if I transferred 1 PB/mo though
| :)
| tomrod wrote:
| Is my math wrong here? 10 gbps -> 8s per 10 GB -> 800s per
| 1TB -> 80,000s per 1PB -> 22.3 hrs at full speed for 1 PB?
| NavinF wrote:
| If you search "1pib/(10 gbps)" on google, you'll get 10.4
| days.
|
| An unmetered 10G port at a US data center is ~$1500/mo.
| Not particularly expensive
| morkalork wrote:
| If you host copies of your data with a few big providers
| could you do something smart like detect and redirect
| requests from AWS to an S3 bucket and not pay for bandwidth
| leaving the provider?
| Calamitous wrote:
| Key takeaway:
|
| > No current artificial intelligence is powerful enough to hide
| the weirdness of Weird Al.
| [deleted]
| hinkley wrote:
| > Artifacts aside, it sounds like Michael Jackson doing a Weird
| Al impression?! Every line has a distinctly "white and nerdy"
| vibe: it loses any seriousness and edge, exaggerating words for
| comic effect and enunciating lyrics really clearly so the
| punchlines can be heard.
|
| No, it sounds like someone doing doing an impression of Weird Al
| doing an impression of Michael Jackson. Someone whose mom told
| them they were special and they believed it.
|
| These examples are standing on a ridge line, surveying the
| uncanny valley and looking for the best way to cross.
| [deleted]
| blagie wrote:
| ... they're good enough.
|
| I have an accent. If not for that, I'd be a great presenter.
|
| If I could translate my voice into a poor Neil deGrasse Tyson,
| a poor Patrick Steward, a poor Carl Sagan, a poor Morgan
| Freeman, etc., my presentations would be... better.
| satvikpendem wrote:
| What's the best open source text to speech? Eleven Labs and
| others are interesting but closed source. I want to use them
| mainly for audiobooks as I have a lot of ePubs and I'm just using
| the basic Google text to speech voices on my Android, via Moon+
| Reader. It works fine but it's still more robotic than state of
| the art.
| modeless wrote:
| I've tried a few, not an expert, but I think Coqui's new XTTS
| models are decent performance and quality wise (just in terms
| of how the speech sounds, can't speak to the voice cloning
| fidelity as I don't care about that). Open source code but non-
| commercial license for the model. They also have a bunch of
| models with more permissive licenses that aren't as good.
|
| I doubt they're better than Google's TTS though.
| lhl wrote:
| For neutral sounding very fast/efficient voices, I find Coqui
| TTS VITS models to be very good. For slower, more expressive
| voice or voice cloning I think the Coqui TTS XTTS is good (or
| you can look at the mrq/tortoise-tts).
|
| I'm still awaiting a StyleTTS2 implementation. The audio
| samples sound top notch: https://styletts2.github.io/
| NoMoreNicksLeft wrote:
| We bought the $300/month plan for a few months earlier this
| year... and you'd only get 40 hours of audio generation for
| that. It wasn't really sufficient to our needs.
|
| How many audio books is 40 hours?
|
| Also, while its voice cloning was truly amazing, every once in
| awhile the voice would get a little nutty and sound like an
| insect just flew down their throat, or maybe they had an LSD
| flashback. Normal normal normal then it's some Bobcat
| Goldthwaite skit. And if you dialed down that parameter (I
| think it's called stability?) then it goes monotone really
| quickly.
|
| We're probably several years out from it being something people
| use personally for audio books.
| dylan604 wrote:
| >How many audio books is 40 hours?
|
| Are you reading War & Peace or Cat In The Hat?
| Jeff_Brown wrote:
| I always assume 200.to 250 pages per book when someone
| talks about large quantities of books.
| satvikpendem wrote:
| That's fairly short. I read about 100 books a year and it
| includes thousand page tomes like The Count of Monte
| Cristo.
| dylan604 wrote:
| I always assumed that book to be rather short since it
| just needs to be a number of sandwiches eaten.
|
| 100 books/year. That's an impressive feat regardless the
| number of pages. Are these downloaded ebooks or physical
| printed copies of books?
| satvikpendem wrote:
| It's mostly audiobooks, I have some ePubs that don't have
| audiobooks anywhere, such as many Japanese light novel
| fan (or official) translations into English for example.
| I can get through them as I can understand audio faster
| than I can read text, as I play back at 3 to 5x speed.
| dylan604 wrote:
| what's your retention/comprehension of the content at
| those speeds? i find that those speeds allows me to
| understand the concept as it's whizzing by, but the
| retention of it is not good. everything i've ever been
| taught and personal experience about long term retention
| all say speed is not the most conducive.
| satvikpendem wrote:
| Retention is pretty good but that's because I've been
| training myself for the past 5 to 10 years to get to that
| speed. It's similar to how blind people's TTS are
| incomprehensible to most hearing-able people.
| NoMoreNicksLeft wrote:
| I like to read with my eyes, not listen. I honestly have no
| idea how long an audio book is, hours-wise.
|
| I've seen a few for download, and they're always like
| hundreds of meg, if not over a gig. And that's in mp3,
| where it should be compressed heavily.
| squeaky-clean wrote:
| In my audible library, the shortest is the first
| Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy a 5h51m. The longest is
| The Power Broker at 66h9m. Most of the books I have are
| in the 15-25 hour range, but I also have a lot of fantasy
| stuff that gets near 50 hours (Game of Thrones, Brandon
| Sanderson...).
| ticulatedspline wrote:
| Bark seems pretty good
|
| https://github.com/suno-ai/bark Demo at
| https://huggingface.co/spaces/suno/bark
|
| In the couple samples I tried it was substantially better at
| picking up meaning compared to VALL-E-X
| follower wrote:
| > What's the best open source text to speech?
|
| I haven't re-evaluated OSS TTS options for a few months but
| from my own experience earlier in the year I've been pleased
| with the results I've gotten from Piper:
|
| * https://github.com/rhasspy/piper
|
| I've primarily used it with the LibriTTS-based voices due to
| their license but if it's for personal local use you can
| probably use some of the other even higher quality voices.
|
| The official samples are here: https://rhasspy.github.io/piper-
| samples/
|
| Here's a small number of pre-rendered samples I've used that
| were generated from a WIP Piper port of my Dialogue Tool[0]
| project: https://rancidbacon.gitlab.io/piper-tts-demos/
|
| While it's not perfect & output quality varies for a number of
| reasons, I've been using it because it's MIT licensed & there's
| multiple diverse voice options with licenses that suit my
| purposes.
|
| (Piper and its predecessors Larynx & Mimic3 are _significantly_
| ahead of where other FLOSS options had been up until their
| existence in terms of quality.)
|
| [0] https://rancidbacon.itch.io/dialogue-tool-for-larynx-text-
| to...
|
| ----
|
| Edit to add links to some of my notes related to FLOSS TTS, in
| case they're of interest:
|
| *
| https://gitlab.com/RancidBacon/notes_public/-/blob/main/note...
|
| *
| https://gitlab.com/RancidBacon/notes_public/-/blob/main/note...
|
| *
| https://gitlab.com/RancidBacon/notes_public/-/blob/main/note...
| entrepy123 wrote:
| POST-EDIT, CORRECTED ANSWER
|
| I doubt it's currently actually "the best open source text to
| speech", but the answer I came up with when throwing a couple
| of hours at the problem some months ago was "ttsprech" [3].
|
| Following the guide, it was pretty trivial to make the model
| render my sample text in about 100 English "voices" (many of
| which were similar to each other, and in varying quality).
| Sampling those, I got about 10 that were pretty "good". And
| maybe 6 that were the "best ones" (very natural, not annoying
| to listen to, actually sounded like a person by and large), and
| maybe 2 made the top (as in, a tossup for the most listenable,
| all factors considered).
|
| IIRC, the license was free for noncommercial use only. I'm not
| sure exactly "how open source" they are, but it was simple to
| install the dependencies and write the basic Python to try it
| out; I had to write a for loop to try all the voices like I
| wanted. I ended using something else for the project for other
| reasons, but this could still be a fairly good backup option
| for some use cases, IMO.
|
| PRE-EDIT, ERRONEOUS ANSWER
|
| Same as above, but I had said "Silero" [0, 1, 2] originally,
| which I started trying out too, before switching to a third
| (less open) option. [0]
| https://github.com/snakers4/silero-models#text-to-speech
| [1] https://silero.ai [2]
| https://github.com/snakers4/silero-models#standalone-use
| [3] https://github.com/Grumbel/ttsprech#usage
| artninja1988 wrote:
| Would also like to know this. Can't seem to find an open source
| tts engine that works on mobile to read muh books
| [deleted]
| smath wrote:
| Related article from 1 year ago on Darth Vader's voice being AI
| generated going forward:
|
| https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2022/09/james...
| mckirk wrote:
| My absolute favorite application of this tech so far is The Beach
| Boys singing 'Hurt'. It's the first time I seriously didn't
| notice any artifacts, and it just works so well even though it
| really shouldn't.
|
| Enjoy: https://youtu.be/gmNSFqyg_Z8
| code_runner wrote:
| This account is one of the absolute top tier creators for weird
| music mixes. The recent deep faking stuff has been shockingly
| good. I think this is a good example of an "acceptable" use of
| AI, as long as artists/composers etc rights are all settled.
|
| its always more fun when its a real group of talented people
| being silly, but I'd listen to an album of weird mashup like
| this for sure.
| dwringer wrote:
| I don't know what I was expecting but that isn't Hurt, it's
| Surfin' USA with Hurt's lyrics that sound extremely jittery and
| grainy.
|
| I'm curious though if some AI soon could in fact synthesize the
| Beach Boys' style with the actual chords and melody from the
| NIN song, possibly with some of the pathos of Johnny Cash as
| well.
| darkerside wrote:
| Yeah, I hate it to the point of being personally offended. It
| has nothing to do with Johnny Cash's rendition. I'd probably
| feel a bit better, but not much, if it were advertised as a
| NIN mashup.
| aidenn0 wrote:
| NIN and Cash have equal billing on that video. Many people
| might only know Cash's rendition...
| cm2012 wrote:
| It's definitely in the realm of "soulless"
| mock-possum wrote:
| Yeah that's kind of the theme of the YouTube channel - I
| think it's hilarious honestly, but maybe you have to go
| into it knowing what to expect.
| darkerside wrote:
| Yeah, based on the parent, and the genius of the
| musicians involved, I was expecting something more than
| the sum of its parts. Hurt is an incredibly powerful
| song, and the Cash rendition imbues it with another
| beautiful layer.
|
| As a joke, I can see it being funny, but it was a jarring
| way to experience it.
| legitster wrote:
| I agree. The "x words over y music" can be fun, but isn't
| really impressive as a true genre parody.
|
| The one that always comes to mind for me is this video of an
| Eminem interview done from scratch as a Talking Heads song:
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kfl3N9nesRg
|
| This is potentially something that generative AI _could_ be
| good at doing (at least recreating vocals), but this parody
| of the Talking Heads required a lot of _very clever_ insight
| into what made a good Talking Heads song and returned a
| convincing and novel melody. And I think we are still a ways
| off.
| adamesque wrote:
| Yeah, Nick Lutsko is super super funny and a very talented
| musician. That's hard to replicate.
| sumtechguy wrote:
| The one I found fun was the matrix ice ice baby mashup. That
| was sort of janky but good enough to be fun.
| hinkley wrote:
| The graininess of the recording covers over a lot of potential
| problems. But given that this attempt keeps the Beach Boy's
| tempo and enunciation, I think this technique, whatever it is,
| would make a much more compelling version of Michael Jackson
| covering Eat It.
| nsbk wrote:
| That hurt
| minimaxir wrote:
| This article only covers the musical aspects of AI voice cloning,
| but there's another dynamic to AI voice cloning that's more
| complicated: replacing general voice actors in movies/video
| games/anime (example: https://www.axios.com/2023/07/24/ai-voice-
| actors-victoria-at... )
|
| Unlike musicians who can't be replaced without significant
| postprocessing, have enough money to not be impacted by
| competition, and have legal muscle, voice over artists:
|
| - Can be reproduced with good-enough results from out-of-the-box
| voice cloning settings on ElevenLabs or an open source equivalent
| (Bark, VALL-E X)
|
| - Are already underpaid for their work as-is
|
| - Have no legal ownership of their voice since they are
| contractors, and their voicework is owned by their clients who
| may not be as incentivised in protecting the VO.
|
| I want to write a blog post about it but I suspect most people on
| Hacker News won't be interested in a treatise on the cultural
| impacts of the voicework in Persona 5 and Genshin Impact.
| ImprobableTruth wrote:
| Voices are uncopyrightable, but impersonation isn't legal (see
| Midler v. Ford, for a notable case), so I don't think the
| situation is totally clear.
| deepsun wrote:
| > voice actors are fearing that the ability for generative AI
| to replicate their voices may cost them work
|
| I'm not sure how to feel about that. I'm against the idea
| that some people "deserve" being paid for being lucky born
| with an interesting voice.
|
| On the other hand, the world always worked like that. And,
| say, hard-working farmer or doctor were also lucky being born
| with necessary traits to make for their living, while others
| weren't.
| minimaxir wrote:
| Voice acting is more than just talking into a microphone.
| It's a skill not limited to the quality of voice.
| deepsun wrote:
| A lot of skills are not simple, but computers have taken
| over them anyways. For example, financial bookkeeping is
| not just writing and storing the books, it's a
| professional skill with many tricks to learn. However,
| databases and spreadsheets have taken the major part from
| those jobs. Same could be said about programmers who
| learned the skill of programming Assembly language. Or
| performing -- vinyl records and CDs has largely taken
| over orchestras and traveling musicians.
|
| I would vote for it only if it somehow encouraged voice
| actors to experiment and create new interesting styles.
| Kinda like patents were designed to do -- encourage
| inventors (although recently it became controversial in
| IT world).
| [deleted]
| vunderba wrote:
| You could have made that argument more effectively in the
| past when voice actors had to be able to mimic multiple
| voices (Dan Castlenetta, Mel Blanc, etc.). Nowadays,
| we're seeing more and more shows where the voices of the
| characters are just... the normal voice of the voice
| actor.
|
| Of course it's not totally devoid of skill, you need to
| be able to emote, inflect, and convey emotion, but the
| bar is _far far_ lower.
| lazide wrote:
| As long as they don't claim the voice is the original actor
| (misspell the name perhaps, or the Hollywood classic 'based
| on'), they won't be impersonating no?
| gs17 wrote:
| The Ford ad didn't say it was Midler, they just implied it
| by using her song with a soundalike. There was another
| similar case with a parody ruled as impersonation. I don't
| think there's good precedent for exactly where that line is
| drawn.
| sofixa wrote:
| It's always funny to me when people cite old American case
| law and try to wrangle their heads around how that can apply
| to a situation which the case's participants couldn't have
| possibly imagined. Shouldn't the correct way to do this be
| new legislation being created after consulting interest
| groups to answer the modern problems which exist due to
| modern realities, like what the EU is doing? It seems much
| more sensible of an approach instead of wondering how a 15th
| century ruling's ruler would have applied his thinking about
| something they couldn't even dream of.
| lazide wrote:
| Interest groups == lobbyists in this case. Which might
| explain some of the American hesitation.
| zerojames wrote:
| I am interested! You should write about what you find
| interesting; never worry if it will interest a particular
| group.
| EGreg wrote:
| Please do. Some of us critique capitalism
| foobarian wrote:
| It saddens me because of how much impact they had on my family
| as we played through the story line in Genshin and immersed in
| the world. At some point we met a few of the voice actors at a
| convention and they were like stars to us, while I'm sure their
| circumstances are as you describe.
| GuB-42 wrote:
| Interesting note: many Vocaloids (most notably Hatsune Miku)
| are sampled from voice actors rather than singers.
|
| Singers didn't want software clones, but voices actors are fair
| game.
| sumtechguy wrote:
| What I find interesting is this aspect that eventually, these
| companies will hire some college kids who needs a couple
| thousand bucks and a free pizza. Have them read the right
| scripts. Sign the right 'give everything away' contract and
| just forever use their voice. Or do it sneaky. Have a voice
| assistant and in your ToS 'we can use a copy of your voice for
| anything'.
|
| The existing voice actors will be just out of work. There will
| be a small cadre of groups that want real voice. But for some
| projects that will not be that important.
|
| Its going to get crazy.
| hiccuphippo wrote:
| Mozilla has a voice data project where people already do it
| for free(dom) ;)
|
| https://commonvoice.mozilla.org/en
| HappyDaoDude wrote:
| I have said this will initially be sold as a feature on
| things like Audiobooks.
|
| Pick your book, pick your reader and away it goes. The Diary
| of Anne Frank read by Gilbert Gottfried.
| Legend2440 wrote:
| They don't need that - they already have enough data to
| generate plausibly human voices that don't sound like anyone
| in particular.
|
| Voice cloning is a special case, these models are equally
| good at making new voices.
| minimaxir wrote:
| Recent voice models by OpenAI, Meta, and ElevenLabs all state
| upfront they work with paid professional voice actors, so
| this space will get intetesting fast.
| aaroninsf wrote:
| <raises hand> I am
| supriyo-biswas wrote:
| HN isn't the only community to write for. While most people
| here seem to be unsympathetic to such job concerns,
| unconventional articles do hit the front page from time to
| time.
|
| I'd like to read it, in any case.
| pixl97 wrote:
| The get rich at any cost type like to post on these articles
| at a higher rate I think. When you read a larger and broad
| range of HN posts you see a substantial part of the
| population here has concerns about this.
| rcarr wrote:
| +1, I would also like to read it
| rcarr wrote:
| It's sad if the only way voice actors are going to be able to
| make a living is by doing stuff like Critical Role on Youtube.
| I love Critical Role but it likely wouldn't be the same if
| those guys hadn't spent years honing their craft. Watching
| people play RPGs online has replaced a lot of my streaming
| viewing now, but the market is much smaller and I imagine it
| can only sustain a much smaller pool of creatives than the
| current voice over market can.
| dylan604 wrote:
| > and their voicework is owned by their clients who may not be
| as incentivised in protecting the VO.
|
| The work product produced by their voice for fulfilling the
| contract is owned. No corp owns someone else's voice.
| minimaxir wrote:
| They don't own the _voice_ , but they own the _vocal
| performance_ , which ends up being a meaningless legal
| distinction in practice.
|
| It's one reason why VAs rarely take fan requests for a
| character they voice.
| dylan604 wrote:
| If they are using their real voice, then they kind of
| screwed themselves. If they are performing a character
| voice, then at least they only lose out on that kind of
| work.
|
| I'm guessing contracts will need to be updated to say that
| a character's voice made from AI can't be used so a
| completely different production cannot say they have the
| actor attached for publicity purposes.
| rockemsockem wrote:
| No one owns a voice at the moment. There is no mechanism in
| the US to own a voice, even your own.
| leni536 wrote:
| A person's voice is effectively owned by the corresponding
| person through right of publicity, which includes voice
| depending on jurisdiction.
|
| California, for example:
|
| "Any person who knowingly uses another's name, _voice_ ,
| signature, photograph, or likeness, in any manner, on or in
| products, merchandise, or goods, or for purposes of
| advertising or selling, or soliciting purchases of,
| products, merchandise, goods or services, without such
| person's prior consent, or, in the case of a minor, the
| prior consent of his parent or legal guardian, shall be
| liable for any damages sustained by the person or persons
| injured as a result thereof."
|
| https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySecti
| o....
| Jeff_Brown wrote:
| Porperty is a bundle of rights, and often hard to pin down.
| In the case of voices, if a company owns enough of your data
| to train a good simulacrum, and they have the right to do it,
| then they kind of do own your voice -- or more precisely, a
| damn good substitute.
| minimaxir wrote:
| Case in point, Luke Skywalker / Darth Vader in the D+
| series: https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2022/09/darth-
| vaders-vo...
|
| > Belyaev is a 29-year-old synthetic-speech artist at the
| Ukrainian start-up Respeecher, which uses archival
| recordings and a proprietary A.I. algorithm to create new
| dialogue with the voices of performers from long ago. The
| company worked with Lucasfilm to generate the voice of a
| young Luke Skywalker for Disney+'s The Book of Boba Fett,
| and the recent Obi-Wan Kenobi series tasked them with
| making Darth Vader sound like James Earl Jones's dark side
| villain from 45 years ago, now that Jones's voice has
| altered with age and he has stepped back from the role.
| bbarnett wrote:
| Copyright is complex. And artist's rights are outside of
| copyright, in some respects. An example.. in the past,
| painters have had their works bought, and then hung in
| unfavourable conditions. Or in places/locations, which
| reflect poorly upon the work of art.
|
| Artists have sued, and won, to have artwork moved, shown
| differently, or force-sold back to the artist.
|
| Now, everything you say is copyright... you. At least in my
| legal jurisdiction! Even my image is, in Quebec! Yes, that
| includes if you take my picture outside.
|
| So what of one's voice? And if you don't have a real
| agreement, to use that voice in any way desired. And then
| you use that voice to.. I don't know, advocate for
| terrorists or something weird.
|
| What then?
|
| I don't think it's completely clearcut, and I think there
| will be changes, decisions on this going down the road.
| dylan604 wrote:
| I pay little attention to SAG contracts, but after the
| Writer's Guild strike, I'd be expecting SAG to follow
| suit with major asks to protect its members from AI if
| they have not already covered it.
| minimaxir wrote:
| The current standard is the NAVA AI Rider:
| https://navavoices.org/2023/01/23/artificial-
| intelligence-ri...
|
| NAVA also has guidelines for protection against AI abuse:
| https://navavoices.org/synth-ai/
| dylan604 wrote:
| thanks. i have recently been asked by a couple of
| acquaintances that have done a few character voices in
| the past what I thought on AI and what can really be done
| with it. because of their infrequent performances, they
| aren't union members, but I'll pass along these links.
| autoexec wrote:
| > Artists have sued, and won, to have artwork moved,
| shown differently, or force-sold back to the artist.
|
| That seems insane to me. Do you have specific examples?
| rendx wrote:
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_rights
|
| "Independent of the author's economic rights, and even
| after the transfer of the said rights, the author shall
| have the right to claim authorship of the work and to
| object to any distortion, modification of, or other
| derogatory action in relation to the said work, which
| would be prejudicial to the author's honor or
| reputation."
|
| "The authors of dramatic works (plays, etc.) also have
| the right to authorize the public performance of their
| works (Article 11, Berne Convention).
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authors%27_rights
|
| The protection of the moral rights of an author is based
| on the view that a creative work is in some way an
| expression of the author's personality: the moral rights
| are therefore personal to the author and cannot be
| transferred to another person except by testament when
| the author dies."
|
| I bet my voice is mine under most jurisdictions.
| raytopia wrote:
| I'd be interested.
|
| Most likey you'd see a lot of people saying that somehow
| getting rid of voice actors is good for "progress". Whatever
| that means.
|
| Random aside someone really needs to make a hackernews that
| focuses more on game development and other arts so blog posts
| like your talking about would have a proper community to
| discuss them with.
| Legend2440 wrote:
| Replacing voice actors with text-to-speech is good because it
| lets you do things voice actors can't:
|
| * Create dynamic new voice lines at runtime, for example game
| characters reacting to new situations.
|
| * Operate at a scale that's infeasible for humans, for
| example turning every ebook into an audiobook.
| JohnFen wrote:
| Which are, in my view, really minor advantages when
| compared to the disadvantages. Not only in terms of putting
| people out of work, but in terms of increasing the artifice
| of the world around us and decreasing its humanity.
| Legend2440 wrote:
| "putting people out of work" by automating jobs is also a
| good thing.
|
| The amount of stuff humans can accomplish is strongly
| limited by the supply of workers. Automating one job
| frees them up to do other things.
| mito88 wrote:
| "celebrity voices impersonated"
|
| Watch Light My Fire on YouTube Music
| https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=lN3v3EfA6_A&si=_hcG3Wjakxd...
| causi wrote:
| AI song covers are incredible, from Goku singing "Don't Stop Me
| Now" to the cast of Spongebob singing "Ocean Man".
| lostlogin wrote:
| https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XzqbhDqAEtw
| cm2012 wrote:
| Would have strongly preferred DBZA goku :)
| ssalka wrote:
| My favorite is the Mr. Krabs cover of "Billie Jean"
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkQ-44PvTs8
| all2 wrote:
| This is actually good. Hysterically so.
| civilitty wrote:
| Mr Krabs rapping Lose Yourself by Eminem [1] is all the
| evidence I've ever needed that Clancy Brown should have been
| a rapper.
|
| [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7N6jOziN4E
| tetris11 wrote:
| Those high notes really kind of overflow to baritone there
| simonw wrote:
| I did not know about this: "The center of the A.I. cover songs
| community is a massive 500,000+ member Discord called A.I. Hub,
| where members trade new tips, tools, techniques, and links to
| their original and cover songs."
| jrm4 wrote:
| I poked around there for a while, and my takeaway was "sub-par"
| all around, which might be the reason for it's relative
| obscurity? The thing is, I can't tell to what extent it's the
| tech, and to what extent it's just "very uninteresting source
| material."
|
| Like, there's a whole lot of "classic song done by presently
| popular rapper," and I'll be the first to insist that there is
| nearly nothing vocally interesting at all coming from _todays_
| popular hip-hop artists (and I say this as an extreme long-time
| hip-hop aficionado)
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| joenot443 wrote:
| Something I think we're slowly coming to terms with is that the
| current generation of techies (the ones who can afford to spend
| hours upon hours tweaking models and sharing results) really
| prefer Discord over our Web 2.0 forum type communities like
| this one. Even reddit on, which is lagging in popularity
| amongst Gen-Z when compared to Discord or TikTok, you can
| immediately tell upon reading /r/LocalLLMs that a really big
| chunk of this community are underaged. To be clear, I think
| this is a good thing!
|
| There was a generation that preferred mailing lists. There was
| a generation that preferred IRC and BBS, and "my" generation
| which likes forums and lengthy comment threads. One would be
| naiive to think this style (the one we're engaging in here)
| would last forever.
|
| There are definitely very real criticisms of Discord,
| searchability and discoverability being the most common, but at
| this point I think the die has been cast. Young people have
| made their choice.
| BandButcher wrote:
| Agree, im in my early 30s and jump through most platforms,
| but very little with tiktok/discord. but i have to admit a
| lot of newer content (and tech framework support) has
| migrated to discord channels. Even some YouTube sports talk
| shows have their own discord for call ins, etc...
|
| These big teleconference apps are usually hit or miss but
| discord seems to be the winner currently for actual "social
| networking", also add in its trend in the gaming community
| codetrotter wrote:
| Me neither. That's what's so weird about the internet.
|
| Imagine half a million people out in the streets together.
| You'd definitely notice that. Meanwhile, we can have these
| massive online communities and you'd never know unless you
| accidentally stumbled across it or someone told you about it.
| evan_ wrote:
| more accurate to say that, while 500,000 people joined the
| discord by clicking a link, some much, much smaller number
| are actually active on any sort of a regular basis
| thomastjeffery wrote:
| So to continue the analogy comparison, 500,000 people
| walked in that street at some point. Some unknown
| percentage of that number is made of unrecognized
| duplicates (same person new username).
| dylan604 wrote:
| this sounds like the description of most "new" social
| platforms. we see immediate interest, and then a sudden
| loss of that interest
| LordDragonfang wrote:
| Yeah, one of the "worst" (good for metrics, bad for
| legibility) parts of the trend of moving to discord for any
| sort of online community is that you have to "join" the
| community to even _view_ any of the resources ensconced
| within. Meaning it 's poorly indexed (discord search is
| okay, but not great) and not available at all to external
| crawlers.
| throwaway290 wrote:
| If this community was available for crawling then LLM
| would crawl it and there would be no value in
| participating in the community because you can just ask
| the LLM about all that, no?
| LordDragonfang wrote:
| If the value your community provides is low enough that
| it can be effectively replaced by a general purpose LLM,
| then it should be. The value of a _community_ should be
| pushing the boundaries of knowledge, not gatekeeping it.
|
| C'mon, this is _hacker_ news, what happened to
| "information should be free"?
| buildbot wrote:
| The GP comment author is someone who refers to OpenAI as
| "ClosedAI" (which to me speaks to somewhat low level of
| emotional maturity...), and seems to generally want
| information to be the least free as possible.
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