[HN Gopher] 12,000-year-old realistic human statue was unearthed
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12,000-year-old realistic human statue was unearthed
Author : khole
Score : 74 points
Date : 2023-10-01 18:51 UTC (4 hours ago)
(HTM) web link (arkeonews.net)
(TXT) w3m dump (arkeonews.net)
| dghughes wrote:
| What a crazy week for old things discovered this statue at
| Gobekli Tepe and the 400,000 year-old notched lumber beams in
| Zambia.
|
| https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-66846772
| silisili wrote:
| Wow, didn't see that Zambia one, that's big news to me.
|
| Question - how can they prove that someone in more recent times
| didn't notch more ancient wood?
| jcpst wrote:
| > Scientists created models to show how overlapping logs could
| have been used
|
| I _love_ how in other words you could also say "played with
| lincoln logs" :)
| waynecochran wrote:
| Two things: how is is dated? and was that NSFW 12000 years ago?
| mkaic wrote:
| If you're interested in learning more about these incredible
| Turkish archaeological sites, I can't recommend the YouTube
| channel Miniminuteman [0] enough. Milo is extremely passionate
| about his field of study and makes highly entertaining and
| informative videos about archaeology and anthropology, including
| a recent series where he became the first real archaeologist ever
| to be allowed to film a documentary on-site at Karahantepe! [1]
|
| [0] https://www.youtube.com/@miniminuteman773
|
| [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EaKFKYPXVk
| [deleted]
| seqizz wrote:
| You know there is already a conspiracy about its phallus [0]?
| Which might be broken for unknown reasons.
|
| [0]: https://arkeofili.com/karahantepede-bulunan-insan-
| heykelinin...
| andrewstuart wrote:
| It makes me happy that it's possible that future humans might
| live again on an earth 12,000 years in the future which has
| cooled again after our civilisation has boiled the planet.
| usrusr wrote:
| Why would it cool in 12k years? We are loading the atmosphere
| with carbon sequestered over much longer periods. Some of which
| even happened in a phase of massive imbalance in the
| evolutionary "war" between plants and plant consumers: trees
| had found a way to _never rot_ (be consumed) which is rather
| tragic for incumbent biological systems but a crazy boost for
| carbon sequestering.
|
| The problem is not that we produce heat, the problem is that we
| change the balance point between energy influx from the sun and
| energy emission to space. That changed balance point will
| remain changed much, much longer than 12k years. If we don't
| have a technological miracle, humans 12k in the future will
| live in tiny habitable zones near the poles.
| hist_thw wrote:
| [dead]
| caprock wrote:
| The last couple of pictures, of the eyes and the bird, are really
| neat. Gobeklitepe continues to provide interesting results.
|
| It's kind of comforting and exciting that we have so much yet to
| uncover about the past.
| detourdog wrote:
| I take great comfort in trying to figure out why these sites
| were buried. I believe the current understanding is that that
| were carefully covered with dirt contemporaneously with usage.
| pelorat wrote:
| That's not what I consider a "realistic human statue" ?
| ftxbro wrote:
| On hacker news everything is 0% or 100%.
| moomoo11 wrote:
| That's what people looked like back then.
| andrewstuart wrote:
| Weird that people don't understand evolution.
| kwhitefoot wrote:
| Me too. Why does the title claim realism when the article it
| points at doesn't? The article only claims a realistic facial
| expression.
| Koshkin wrote:
| It has all the parts...
| dwd wrote:
| I maybe wasn't expecting Bernini level of realism, but
| "Augustus of Prima Porta" is around 2000 years old which
| greatly predates Renaissance tooling.
| jdthedisciple wrote:
| I beg to differ- how does that not look exactly like us
|
| https://i0.wp.com/themindcircle.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/...
|
| From the better link someone posted below:
|
| https://themindcircle.com/new-gobeklitepe-and-karahantepe-fi...
| [deleted]
| INTPenis wrote:
| Yeah I was expecting something like a greek statue with very
| realistic human features, but I guess this is still astounding
| since other statues of the time are even less anthropomorphous.
| pavlov wrote:
| We have a fairly good idea of how sculpture evolved in the
| past 5,000 years or so. By 2500 BCE, the Egyptians had
| already mastered realistic sculpture:
|
| https://www.mfa.org/gallery/masterpieces-of-egyptian-
| sculptu...
|
| But this discovery is a whopping 7,500 years older. It would
| have been inconceivably ancient to the pyramid builders too.
| z500 wrote:
| More like anatomically correct.
| fsckboy wrote:
| > _That 's not what I consider a "realistic human statue" ?_
|
| the HN title is wrong, TFA says "realistic facial expression".
| Of course, it's neither a realistic facial expression, so all
| the comments are still valid. Carry on.
| dinkblam wrote:
| better link with less and less offensive ads:
|
| https://arkeonews.net/new-discoveries-in-gobeklitepe-and-kar...
| amphitheatre wrote:
| Thank you. What a garbage website OP linked to...
| dang wrote:
| OK, we changed to that from https://themindcircle.com/new-
| gobeklitepe-and-karahantepe-fi.... Thanks!
| khole wrote:
| The recent excavations unearthed a painted wild boar statue, a
| human statue, and a vulture statue. All statues are new gateways
| to understanding pre-historic art and culture.
| chiefalchemist wrote:
| Not being snarky but the big deal is we're pushing back the
| line (read: year / era) dividing pre-history from history.
| These discoveries became history now, yes?
| biorach wrote:
| Nope.
|
| > Prehistory, also called pre-literary history, is the period
| of human history between the first known use of stone tools
| by hominins c. 3.3 million years ago and the beginning of
| recorded history with the invention of writing systems.
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prehistory
|
| The big deal is that these art works are far more
| sophisticated that anything else we have seen so early.
| AlotOfReading wrote:
| This is one common definition of the term history, but it's
| not a very good one and largely relegated to outdated
| encyclopedia entries rather than describing how
| professionals investigate history. It's very poor as a
| technical definition. For instance, does "history" in an
| area start when someone writes something, or does the
| writing have to survive to the present day? Does only one
| person need to write, or does it need to be socially
| widespread? Does it have to be full writing or does
| protowriting count? Do we have to be able to read the
| writing? Do partial readings count? These ambiguities
| weren't issues back when it was being used as a criterion
| for "civilization" ala childe, but that time has long since
| passed.
|
| Today, it's best to ignore all these difficult and largely
| unnecessary questions by simply using a descriptive
| definition where "history is the human past".
| late2part wrote:
| Names don't constitute knowledge.
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFIYKmos3-s&t=1s
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| nimbius wrote:
| As an american, I fully expect to find this thing on my ballot
| come 2024.
| solardev wrote:
| Seems like graphics have gotten a bit better since then
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