[HN Gopher] 4chan Turns 20
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4chan Turns 20
Author : zppln
Score : 98 points
Date : 2023-10-01 18:37 UTC (4 hours ago)
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| kaiokendev wrote:
| I had some of the best and worst conversation on 4chan. When the
| only means of expressing yourself is by virtue of your ideas, it
| really breed an atmosphere you can't find anywhere else. It just
| a shame, you can really tell there is a lot of... intelligence
| activity on the site.. from many nations, lol
| gautamcgoel wrote:
| When you say intelligence a activity, do you mean activity from
| intelligence agencies like the CIA? Would be curious to hear
| more if so.
| theodric wrote:
| Yes, it's full of "glowies." (We can thank Terry Davis of
| Temple OS fame for that term.) Occasionally, a nutcase who
| intends to do harm will have been found to hang out there[1],
| and the glowies don't want to be the last to find out if said
| nutcase posts their intentions in advance. Which is fair
| enough. That's their job, after all.
|
| [1] like the recent Rotterdam shooter
| https://nltimes.nl/2023/09/29/rotterdam-shootings-suspect-
| ex... https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/436995585
| greyface- wrote:
| 4chan loves the term "glowie" in part because its full
| expansion incorporates a racist slur, but its shortened
| form can be used in contexts like this, in which it seems
| merely irreverent rather than racist. Thanks, Terry.
| https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/glowie
| em-bee wrote:
| _the only means of expressing yourself is by virtue of your
| ideas_
|
| what do you mean by that?
|
| how is it any different on HN?
| knallfrosch wrote:
| 4chan enforces anonymity even across posts (at least on /b/)
| and with missing nesting, you can lose track of replies fast.
| So you're basically reading ideas only. Altough I do agree
| HN's post system is one of the most similar. HN has a more
| coherent culture and moderation, though.
| kelipso wrote:
| Any forum with up and downvoting cannot be called most
| similar to 4chan lol. Discord is probably more similar, not
| to mention the usual phpbb boards.
| skilled wrote:
| HN not loving this is not a surprise, 4chan is hardcore, but /g/
| can be beared most of the time, it's mostly Debian/Arch people
| there anyway.
|
| But 4chan is a piece of history, a piece of the old web from its
| roots and it's still going. I don't use the site myself but I
| also haven't heard that they have made any changes to the rules.
|
| You have something to say, whatever that may be, we have a board
| for you to come and say it. That's amazing.
|
| Happy Birthday and hope they can go for 20 more years.
| zolbrek wrote:
| >You have something to say, whatever that may be, we have a
| board for you to come and say it. That's amazing.
|
| That was more 8chan before the NZ mass murder, since anyone
| could make a board and mod it the way they liked. 4chan is
| known for having biased jannies who will delete content that
| goes against their personal agendas. If you report outright
| racism outside of /pol/ or /b/ it usually gets deleted too.
| hmmmcurious1 wrote:
| It's so sad that nation level agents have infiltrated the
| moderator team and are now pushing divisive anti western ideas
| and also grooming fifth columnists to create havoc in the western
| world. Most of the boards I frequented in the past outright ban
| you for saying anything remotely against russia and china but
| promote all sorts of demoralization threads regarding the west. I
| guess someone has to pay the server costs but with a huge
| detriment towards the authenticity and culture that characterized
| old 4chan
| aragonite wrote:
| You mean you can no longer post threads like this?
|
| https://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/442998412
|
| (NSFW obviously)
|
| You can post memes about beheading Chinese people on 4chan and
| no one will bat an eye.
| LightHugger wrote:
| The point is that 4chan will ban you for innocent things, if
| a moderator disagrees with you, funnily enough criticizing
| video game censorship and journalists is bannable as well.
| But does not ban for extreme racism and violent content like
| that. It's not a free speech site anymore and hasn't been for
| quite a few years now, basically.. it's just a racism site.
| happytoexplain wrote:
| I'm sure there are always some people looking into 4chan as a
| place to spread an agenda due to the ease of posting, no need
| for an account, popularity, etc. However, banning for "anything
| remotely against russia and china" is a silly exaggeration.
| Giving you the benefit of the doubt, my best guess is that you
| posted on some of the boards with tighter moderation, and what
| you posted was simply off topic. _Most_ boards still prune off-
| topic shitposting _somewhat_ reliably.
|
| Not to the exclusion of other peoples, you can find plenty of
| gleeful posts about the brutal deaths of Russians and Chinese,
| or just simply mocking their societies/industries, at any given
| time on at least three boards, off the top of my head.
| drekipus wrote:
| You are very new (t)here.
|
| It's a glowie/shill cesspool, not at all authentic.
|
| I found some great friends from 4chan -> IRC channels, we all
| fell away eventually, but it was a good 15 years of my life.
|
| Now I couldn't even imagine taking to these people. I don't
| think it's just because I'm older, either.
|
| And I'm only taking about gee
| vGPU wrote:
| The fact that 4chan has mods that moderate towards their own
| biases is extremely well known.
| mik1998 wrote:
| Are you claiming that Russia or China are paying 4chan
| moderators? That seems unlikely for an American website owned
| by a Japanese millionaire.
| nailer wrote:
| Why is that unlikely? Nobody else is paying moderators.
| Prigozhin made the Internet Research Agency which we know
| conducts influence operations, it would be amazing if China
| didn't have a similar group.
| wooque wrote:
| Have you ever visited 4chan?
|
| There is literally dedicated anti-Russian thread (/uhg/) on
| /pol/ and also plenty of anti-Chinese sentiment all over the
| board, I don't think day can pass without someone making fun of
| Changs and Zhangs.
| tux3 wrote:
| >https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37729001
|
| Off by one.
| jareklupinski wrote:
| it's over 9000!
| h2odragon wrote:
| surely "over" is better?
| dmonitor wrote:
| in 4chan culture, the number of sequential digits at the end
| of the random number assigned to your post is a mark of...
| status? good luck? quality? I'm actually not sure, but it's a
| desired thing to have.
| loves_mangoes wrote:
| More backstory: The ID assigned to posts is a sequential
| incrementing number. So it is possible to "aim" for a nice
| round number by posting at the right time
|
| When people notice that their post IDs start approaching a
| large whole number, a bunch of people might try to get
| ("GET") the post with ID, say, 2000000 by timing it
|
| It's not really a marker of anything, just a semi-random
| event that people have fun with. It's sort of... tolerated,
| as long as it's infrequent and doesn't cause too much noise
| jjice wrote:
| 4chan is such an interesting piece of internet history that's
| still living. Despite lots of parts of 4chan being terrible, I
| will say that the diy board has helped me figure out some clever
| solutions to around the home jobs.
| RetroTechie wrote:
| A great thing about 4chan (and probably 1 reason users keep
| coming) is its simplicity:
|
| Post pic, some text, others do the same, or reply to your post.
|
| That's it. Do 1 thing & do it well (Unix philosophy :-).
| Reminds me of when Google's UI was praised for being "enter
| search term here" box on otherwise empty page.
|
| I think there will always be room for sites (or apps) like
| that. Now, as for how to pay hosting bills etc... ??
| tamimio wrote:
| I think, additionally, the reason why it's still going,
| besides the simplicity, is the pseudo-anonymity, your post is
| just like any other post, what will really make it apart is
| the context (or the image per se), and I believe that's the
| purist form of internet interactions, you get called out on
| your BS with no filters and without the fear of being
| "cancelled", if you help someone, you are not looking for
| brownie points or to become an e-celeb, you are just
| genuinely trying to help, you fucked up one time and said
| something bad or wrong? no one will screenshot it and use it
| against you till hell freezes over, you did something amazing
| in a post? It will be circulating around and referred back to
| the board, not the person or the individual, so the concept
| is really great as long as it is not a mainstream site, else
| you will have all sort of shilling and spooks shenanigans
| that will ruin that experience.
| 29athrowaway wrote:
| Don't click the link.
| em-bee wrote:
| if you want to know what to expect, try this:
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4chan
| Shugarl wrote:
| Why ?
| smegsicle wrote:
| unfiltered memes! you could see something illegal! or worse,
| racist!
| 29athrowaway wrote:
| Because some links are better left unclicked.
| sliechty wrote:
| Happy Birthday 4chan
| wly_cdgr wrote:
| Happy Birthday to one of the few still-good sites on the open
| internet
| Dwedit wrote:
| Ah yes, the site that makes you "anonymous" when you post, yet
| requires you to send your Google cookies to Google servers
| before the recaptcha loads.
| ta8903 wrote:
| 4chan hasn't been using google captcha for 2 years.
| LinuxBender wrote:
| It's CloudFlare now, to get the captcha.
| https://challenges.cloudflare.com/cdn-cgi/challenge-
| platform/h/g/flow/ov1/#[snip]
| coumbaya wrote:
| I mean they offer a way around that. I'm not sure the point
| is to spy on you, it's just the easiest way to avoid spam I
| guess ?
| fwungy wrote:
| Reddit: Dumb acting smart. 4chan: Smart acting dumb. HN: Smart
| acting smart.
| kbelder wrote:
| That leaves Facebook.
| Boogie_Man wrote:
| Let us take a moment to reflect on the greatest sysadmin who ever
| was, Christopher Poole https://files.catbox.moe/9uyduv.jpg
| 2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote:
| bring back snacks
| rollcat wrote:
| Back when the Internet was quite literally held together with
| duct tape
| echelon wrote:
| > Back when the Internet was quite literally held together
| with duct tape
|
| No, you'd have to go back further than that.
|
| By the time 4chan came about, the web was starting to
| crystalize into platforms, and standard tools and databases
| had been developed. Design and UX was starting to be
| important.
|
| At the time of launch, I distinctly remember that my
| classmates thought 4chan was weird for taking after
| "primitive" Japanese image boards. (Craigslist, too, was
| considered dated.)
|
| The early "duct tape" days were the era of EzBoard (1996;
| before phpBB, vBulletin, and Invision), Flash (1993),
| Geocities (1994), Angelfire (1996), Lycos (1994), Dogpile
| (1996), ICQ (1996), early AOL Instant Messenger (1997; before
| Trillian, Gaim, Libpurple), lots of little IRC clients...
| lots of CGI, Perl, and C all slapped together. That's when
| flat file databases were a norm, not an exception.
|
| 4chan came around the same time as Digg and Reddit, and in
| response to some of the platformization that was already
| starting to happen (Xanga, LiveJournal, and Blogger in
| ~1999). The machinery and practice of modern web engineering
| was already falling into place.
| em-bee wrote:
| that was 10 years earlier
|
| i was there...
| theideaofcoffee wrote:
| ... when ... was
|
| Not much has changed, the whole contraption still is, to a
| frightening extent.
| ionwake wrote:
| Amazing never heard of this post, I guess he did this after his
| holiday to Mexico. Those labels are quite professional.
| smegsicle wrote:
| true- '4chan runs on a cluster of mac minis' is a claim just
| silly enough to be acceptable without evidence
| skilled wrote:
| _checked and keked_
| 416abc wrote:
| I just wish he was able to keep http://canv.as/ going.
|
| It was such a good product.
| Shugarl wrote:
| Who's the bunny character?
| happytoexplain wrote:
| Hiro, the owner who succeeded Moot.
| ionwake wrote:
| I still remember making a thread on /b/ when bitcoin hit $100,
| with a pic of vegeta going super Saiyan.
|
| See you space cowboy
| freitzkriesler2 wrote:
| Cute and charming. Appreciate the work the mods and hiroshimoot
| do.
|
| Oh and Jannies do it for free !
| v3ss0n wrote:
| greatest technological achievements done by 4chan community this
| year https://boards.4channel.org/g/
|
| - Automatic1111's work on stable diffusion, and comfyui
|
| - Leaking llamav1 torrent on 4chan leads to explosion of local
| models
|
| - GPT4all by old 4chan user/troller Gpt4Chan
|
| - Various uncensored LLMmodels
|
| - Exllama born because a 4chan guy believes he can do faster
| inference than llamacpp
|
| 4chan guys goal of AI is very different from normies .. they are
| building an AI Waifu and to replace human wives ..
| 29athrowaway wrote:
| They also had a part in creating QAnon, a movement that caused
| a tremendous amount of harm including the January 6th
| insurrection.
| washadjeffmad wrote:
| You probably won't understand if after half a decade you
| haven't bothered to look into it yourself, but /g/ is as
| close to /pol/ as Steve Jobs was to planning the Oklahoma
| City bombing.
| drekipus wrote:
| Hasn't it been a known thing that "QAnon" was an FBI
| operation? I thought that was public
|
| I heard about qanon in news about Trump before I saw it on
| 4chan
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