[HN Gopher] DALL-E 3 is now publicly available inside Bing
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DALL-E 3 is now publicly available inside Bing
Author : ohadron
Score : 250 points
Date : 2023-10-01 12:57 UTC (10 hours ago)
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| russfink wrote:
| Winner: https://www.bing.com/images/create/paint-a-picture-in-
| the-st...
| Nursie wrote:
| I asked it for "A hand with the correct number of fingers", and
| it got it right, in three out of four of the returned images!
| c0pium wrote:
| I love that there's a Jira ticket in someone's backlog that
| says "teach the model how many hands humans have".
| ftxbro wrote:
| Those tickets are only in companies that haven't learned the
| bitter lesson.
| eternauta3k wrote:
| It's a corollary of
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero_one_infinity_rule
| mmanfrin wrote:
| "Elon Musk" is a banned phrase.
| gcau wrote:
| Very impressive. I hope we get the ability for "meta" things to
| work, like asking for a rectangular image, a 16x16 spritesheet,
| etc. Also, not using Bing search, sorry MS.
| rchaud wrote:
| Is it not possible to request the image to be within specific
| dimensions or aspect ratio?
| rchaud wrote:
| Any ad revenue resulting from the image generation stuff will
| still be credited to Bing.
| GaggiX wrote:
| Is it now only Dalle 3? I remember it was a mix Dalle 2 and 3
| like two days ago.
| ilaksh wrote:
| It might still have some DALL-E 2 in there for requests that it
| deems unworthy of 3.
|
| I had incredible results asking for architectural drawings
| earlier. Then a few minutes ago, I broke down and started
| prompting for supermodels. It did a terrific job the first few
| times.
|
| But after like three of them getting blocked (I didn't actually
| ask for anything inappropriate) it starting giving me something
| that looked like unmitigated Stable Diffusion 1.5.
|
| Lol.
| anonzzzies wrote:
| It seems if it can do text properly it's dall-e 3. I'm not sure
| but that's what people are saying. For me the hands are much
| better than with 2 as well. Only folded hands have issues in
| the 100s of images I made.
| skilled wrote:
| > 2 hr wait
|
| > Creating new images can take time
|
| > Because you're out of boosts, image generation may take longer
| than usual.
|
| Just how much money is Microsoft burning up by offering all these
| features?
|
| I mean, last time I checked[0] - being this generous didn't
| really do anything for Bing, did it?
|
| Is this "just because we can" or is it genuinely profitable for
| them?
|
| [0]: https://searchengineland.com/new-bing-google-market-share-
| si...
| jpalomaki wrote:
| I guess this also creates valuable learning material, when
| people iterate through different prompts to get the results
| they want and seeing which alternative they pick.
| dalf wrote:
| This job offer suggests a lot:
|
| https://jobs.careers.microsoft.com/global/en/job/1627555/Pri...
|
| Found on Slashdot: https://m.slashdot.org/story/419681
| ChatGTP wrote:
| So those GPUs are thirsty...
|
| It would look pretty bad if it comes out these models are
| exacerbating climate change...especially after all of old
| Bill's climate rhetoric and everyone bashing crypto for the
| last 5+ years about the same thing.
| pohuing wrote:
| > especially after all of old Bill's climate rhetoric and
| everyone bashing crypto for the last 5+ years about the
| same thing.
|
| Gates hasn't been leading MS for a long time now.
| Culonavirus wrote:
| A million dollars in 4 years, that's pretty crazy. Good for
| them.
| lstamour wrote:
| Maybe it's a sales tool for business adoption of Bing, that
| they're applying to consumers? And they need the traffic and
| usage numbers, if they get those their advertising business can
| sit on top of it and profit.
| TigeriusKirk wrote:
| I have no idea if it's making them money, but a year ago I
| never heard anyone say the name "Bing" and now I'm hearing it
| several times a day.
| Culonavirus wrote:
| The really big dogs always work with long term, strategic
| plans. When something looks too generous, it most likely is
| just that. Is it profitable? Probably not. But that is the
| point. Offer a service under market value, wait until the
| competition goes away, then make bank. There are many, many
| examples, but something like Google Workspace comes to mind.
| Make it easy and cheap to get on board, get people and
| businesses used to your product, then slowly boil the frog
| alive.
| l33t7332273 wrote:
| > Offer a service under market value, wait until the
| competition goes away
|
| It feels like this doesn't work as well with a lot of
| software services as it does with physical brick and mortar
| businesses.
| brookst wrote:
| The more charitable interpretation is that companies
| sometimes explore new markets with a "see where people find
| value, figure out how to monetize later" philosophy.
| ganzuul wrote:
| At these meetings both interpretations motivate agreement
| but neither is mentioned.
| baz00 wrote:
| For most people Bing is the thing you search for Google in.
|
| Same as Edge is the thing you install Chrome with.
|
| No amount of marketing or features will take these corpses and
| get them walking again.
| HarHarVeryFunny wrote:
| Nice! Big improvement over DALL-E 2.
|
| "ginger tabby cat with ginger eyes, and black cat with green
| eyes, big wave surfing each on their own surfboard, photographed
| by a drone"
|
| https://imgur.com/uKbkoke
| HarHarVeryFunny wrote:
| "handsome 60 year old man inspecting a pile of coins with a
| magnifying glass, in an isolated hut in the forest, unaware of
| cthulhu looking in through the open door, ultrarealistic"
|
| https://imgur.com/rlqMbXN
|
| Default image quality/style leaves a bit to be desired, but
| it's doing a great job of paying attention to the details of
| the prompt.
| littlestymaar wrote:
| I love how the French internationalization of title of that page
| is _"Creer art de mots avec IA"_ , which is almost at the " _all
| your base are belong to us_ " of level of terrible translation.
|
| Given that is probably has been AI-translated, it doesn't really
| inspire confidence about the AI product on this page if you're a
| French speaker.
| GaggiX wrote:
| I remember the page presenting the AI chatbot used by Bing, the
| translations there were also terrible, even at a character
| level, with random CAPS, and to be honest still today I have no
| idea how it was possible.
| fabioborellini wrote:
| Finnish translation is a horrible word-by-word thing, too. That
| does not work at all translating to a language that uses very
| few prepositions. Words like "for" and "to" get replaced with
| ones from a totally different context. The thing reminds me of
| machine translations from around 2000.
|
| Sadly the new features on Windows, like forced Onedrive sync,
| also use similarly bad translations. Phishing emails have
| nowadays better Finnish than Windows does.
| eMSF wrote:
| The Finnish caption is quite a bit worse than "all your base
| are belong to us" type of invalid grammar. Translating it
| back, even with best intentions (ignoring the naive attempt
| of translating "from" in place) it reads "Create images from
| AI generated words".
| coder543 wrote:
| Why would you blame AI translation?
|
| Look at how ChatGPT-4 handles a direct translation request:
|
| https://chat.openai.com/share/8211a1f6-552b-4bf6-8f9c-bcbeb8...
|
| Or how it talks about a set of existing translations:
|
| https://chat.openai.com/share/299e40ce-806b-4f0e-a889-cb2ee2...
|
| French isn't a language I know very well, but my experience
| using "AI" to translate Spanish (which I actually do know
| somewhat) and other languages is more positive than Google
| Translate. A few months ago, I did side by side tests
| translating into English using ChatGPT-4 and Google Translate,
| and it's not even a contest.
|
| It's not clear where Microsoft is getting these bad
| translations, but it seems like they would be less terrible if
| they _were_ translated by ChatGPT-4.
| littlestymaar wrote:
| I don't know why you're bringing ChatGPT to the table here,
| as basically all translation systems in use today are based
| on deep-learning, most of which even being built on top of
| transformers (except in an encoder-decoder setup instead of
| decoder-only like GPT), so they are in fact all "AI
| translation" (as opposed to human internationalization, which
| would likely never give such a bad result in 2023 for a
| language as common as French)
| coder543 wrote:
| > I don't know why you're bringing ChatGPT to the table
| here
|
| I think that is pretty self-explanatory. OpenAI makes both
| the "AI product on this page" that you were referring to,
| as well as ChatGPT. If your comment wants the readers to
| draw a connection between the quality of "AI products" that
| are involved on a particular webpage, it is reasonable to
| assume they would be made by the same company. Why would
| products made by different companies share the same lack of
| quality?
|
| Regardless, you haven't supported your assertion, you've
| merely repeated it:
|
| >> Given that is probably has been AI-translated
|
| > as opposed to human internationalization, which would
| likely never give such a bad result in 2023 for a language
| as common as French
|
| You haven't demonstrated _any_ common ML translator doing
| such a poor job translating the specific phrase on the
| page, but it should be easy to do if it were the case. I
| don 't understand the purpose of that reply you made? That
| reply didn't move the conversation forward. The
| mistranslation honestly feels like human error that didn't
| involve "AI". ML translation tools are than _that_ these
| days. I 've already demonstrated one.
| littlestymaar wrote:
| > If your comment wants the readers to draw a connection
| between the quality of "AI products" that are involved on
| a particular webpage, it is reasonable to assume they
| would be made by the same company.
|
| My comment doesn't want to "the reader" to do anything.
| My comment is just noticing that the random French user
| seeing an IA product with such a broken automatic
| translation is likely to be tempted to judge it poorly.
| Also there's not a single instance of OpenAI (whose brand
| is itself much less-known than ChatGPT) on that page, so
| unless the guy landing on the page was already familiar
| with Dall-e, they're going to assume the AI product is
| from Microsoft, which is also the author of the borked AI
| translation...
|
| > You haven't demonstrated any common ML translator doing
| such a poor job translating the specific phrase on the
| page
|
| Well, the translation is here on the page... Do You want
| a screenshot or something? Also I can't try to feed the
| original text to bing translation given that I don't have
| access to the original text _at all_ because of MS 's
| broken i18n...
|
| > The mistranslation honestly feels like human error that
| didn't involve "AI"
|
| At this level it cannot really be explained by an human
| error unless the human making the error is "the product
| owner asking someone who doesn't know French at all to
| translate the damn text".
|
| Automatic translation of marketing slogans with jargon in
| it isn't something you can really trust a automated
| system to do reliably by the way. It's by design as short
| and catchy as possible, leaving very little context for
| the transformers to work with and often having an
| unnatural structure. Current translators also _suck_ at
| translating music lyrics by the way.
| speedgoose wrote:
| Indeed the translation is very poor. I just tried the Micrsooft
| on translator and the translation quality is descent. Very
| weird.
| LorenDB wrote:
| It managed to make Tux look right:
| https://www.bing.com/images/create/tux-the-penguin-lounging-...
| willsmith72 wrote:
| You can use it without edge what a miracle
| londons_explore wrote:
| If you use the bing chat interface and say "Can you draw me a
| picture of X?", then it responds with "I'm sorry, but I'm not
| able to draw pictures. Is there anything else I can help you
| with?" followed immediately by "Your image is taking a while to
| generate. Check your image creation progress at Image Creator."
|
| Looks like they might perhaps be using a LLM for the chat
| responses that isn't aware that it has the ability to draw
| images, and in parallel another model who decides what to draw
| and show to the user.
| brrrrrm wrote:
| Probably. I've had limited success getting LLMs (trained on
| chats/instruct) to output special codes indicating they're
| communicating with a separate system (e.g. google, stable
| diffusion) and then taking that and feeding it back to the user
| simonw wrote:
| I try to avoid prompts like "Can you ...?" because they could
| be interpreted as yes/no answers as opposed to commands to do
| something.
|
| I've been prompting Bing with "Draw me an image of..." or even
| just "Image: image description" and it's worked well for me so
| far.
| kaetemi wrote:
| It gives weird errors like that in the chat if it detects the
| output image as NSFW. Lots of false positives.
| dhruvdh wrote:
| I think this has to do with the verb "draw". LLM is just saying
| it cannot draw. The image generation is likely a function it
| "calls". The LLM probably thinks of the image generator as a
| tool it uses, a separate entity from itself.
| l33t7332273 wrote:
| > The LLM probably thinks of the image generator as a tool it
| uses
|
| I don't think it's correct to describe the LLM as "thinking"
| in this instance, and not even for the normal philosophical
| objections, but just because I suspect it is a bad heuristic
| for designing these kinds of prompts.
| JieJie wrote:
| As an alternative, I'll ask it to "reckon". For images,
| simply directing it to "create" an image suffices.
|
| https://www.wordnik.com/words/reckon
| hn_20591249 wrote:
| As with most of these tools, it appears that it is reasonably
| easy to get it to generate some truly hilarious/disturbing stuff,
| probably not for long:
| https://www.reddit.com/r/ChatGPT/comments/16wf1i0/dalle_3_is...
| altcognito wrote:
| I'm kind of hoping that they adjust it to ask for clarification
| or find some sort of soft adjustment to make them less
| problematic rather than just trying to do blind keyword
| blocking.
|
| Of course, I'd love for them to take the approach as well that
| folks are just going to do what they do, and maybe they'll burn
| out the novelty and give it a rest.
| hn_20591249 wrote:
| I asked for an image of The Muppets as the counter-terrorist
| team from Counter Strike and that got blocked, so "terrorism"
| is definitely getting picked up understandably.
| sheepdestroyer wrote:
| I don't see how blocking "Counterstrike" is understandable
| or helpful. How aren't these kind of restrictions just
| infantilizing users ?
| rwmj wrote:
| I may be missing something, but how does a prompt containing
| "fawn" turn into terrifying Spongebob?
|
| [Edit: The prompt didn't contain "fawn", see the replies]
| ChatGTP wrote:
| There is a photo of a "fawn", I don't think the prompt for
| the spongebob was published...https://www.reddit.com/r/ChatGP
| T/comments/16wf1i0/comment/k2...
| itishappy wrote:
| The top comment is not the prompt, it's a different image.
| "Fawn" generated a fawn.
|
| OP's prompt is below:
|
| > Create a fuzzy phone picture of a cryptid sighting of
| spongebob as he runs into the bushes. Spongebob has gone
| completely insane. He turns his head and creepily looks into
| the camera as he makes his getaway. There's a thick fog and
| the scene is dimly lit.
| bilsbie wrote:
| I can't even get "browse with bing" to work with gpt4. It keeps
| telling me it can't browse the web. (I do have it enabled)
| nathanfig wrote:
| You're probably still using the default, there's a dropdown
| when you hover over the GPT-4 button at the top.
| bilsbie wrote:
| Thanks! I had plug-ins turned on. Didn't realize you couldn't
| do both.
| trebligdivad wrote:
| Perhaps more AI on the wait time, '5 min wait'...from about an
| hour now.
| willsmith72 wrote:
| Is there an easy way to fix broken text? I thought dalle 3 was
| supposed to be better with that
| Alifatisk wrote:
| What is Microsofts vision with Bing? It looks like it is slowly
| transitioning from a search engine to something else.
| zamadatix wrote:
| I think they are banking on generative AI displacing
| traditional search of all types, maybe opening a few new
| related doors but mostly displacing large use cases of search.
| "Better enough than Google to convince users to switch" was
| always too high a bar to meet but being able to say "How do I
| take the Riemann middle sum using the points {1/2, 1, 3/2, 2}
| for f(x)=x^3+2" and getting a response built around your
| specific question instead of the best generic link talking
| about Riemann sums is definitely the strongest contender I've
| seen to finally meeting that bar. Users don't want to find the
| best page about Riemann sums, they just want an answer to their
| question.
|
| The challenge will be "does it do that well enough, accurately
| enough, and keep a good enough lead to establish itself as the
| leader to beat for the user base".
| shlubbert wrote:
| Probably another shot at some kind of universal AI assistant
| since Cortana didn't really take off.
| pixl97 wrote:
| They wasted the Cortana name too early. I believe if LLMs are
| when the Cortana namesake was first used, it would likely
| stick.
| oezi wrote:
| Bing's AI capabilities are just testing grounds for their
| Office 365 integration.
| kaetemi wrote:
| It's quite entertaining and seamless to interact with either
| way.
| callalex wrote:
| Can it generate QR links to malware downloads?
|
| https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/bing-chat-res...
| [deleted]
| TheAceOfHearts wrote:
| FYI: if you generate a lot of images the sidebar won't retain all
| of them and there doesn't seem to be a place where you can view
| your full history, so be sure to save any images you want to
| retain. You can still recover images by visiting the link
| directly in your browser history.
| atum47 wrote:
| Bing is kinda desperate it seems. I went to install GPT on my
| device yesterday and the first app result was a sponsored one -
| bing - telling can you can earn prizes by using the app.
|
| Don't know if they are more interested in growing the number of
| users or collecting that sweet data. Probably both.
| dgellow wrote:
| Bing brought 12 billion in revenue in 2022. Just saying.
| rchaud wrote:
| Google pays Apple $20b every year to remain the default search
| engine on iOS. Now that's desperate. Where were people going to
| go, Bing?
| greenyoda wrote:
| Google may be afraid that Apple would develop their own
| search engine, just like they developed their own maps engine
| and iCloud for email/photos. Apple, with their massive piles
| of cash, would have the resources to do that.
| zamadatix wrote:
| Or that Apple simply changes the default Bing, offering
| something less but greater than 0, and Google loses out on
| >20 billion in ad revenue.
| asadotzler wrote:
| Or buy one, like Bing, and take it from middling to solid.
| hadlock wrote:
| Whatsapp has their own version of ChatGPT. It's an arms race
| right now
| abraham wrote:
| Bing Rewards was launched in 2010 so apparently it's working
| enough to keep it around.
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Bing#:~:text=Bing%20...
| .
| hdjjhhvvhga wrote:
| Attention! It asks you to login/create an account before you can
| use it. And you should consider well whether you really want to
| sign in to a MS account in your browser.
| arendtio wrote:
| Am I the only one who can't login with his Firefox? Not just
| for this use case, but as a general issue.
| szmerdi wrote:
| I enjoy playing around with https://ideogram.ai much more.
| Correct spelling was always there and you can mix and match with
| others' prompts: the image generation experience is a collective
| creative activity.
|
| Bing is desperately adding new features in the hope of finding
| the "one feature to lure them all", but Bing is not the most
| effective platform for these generative models.
| MrNeon wrote:
| A quick test generating r/imsorryjon style Garfields shows
| ideogram is far from matching DALL-E 3's capabilities.
| stuckkeys wrote:
| No joke. The word match is absolutely crazy.
| [deleted]
| og_kalu wrote:
| There's an LLM morphing your queries somewhat before submitting
| to Dall-e and you can jailbreak that.
|
| https://twitter.com/madebyollin/status/1708204657708077294
|
| https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1023643945319792731...
| brap wrote:
| I don't know why, but I just love seeing jailbreaks where the
| input/output isn't just plain text.
| ftxbro wrote:
| least cyberpunk 2023 shit
| [deleted]
| isoprophlex wrote:
| So, we're still splatterprompting... only a machine does it for
| you. That's pretty hilarious
| adventured wrote:
| That will probably continue to be the approach indefinitely.
| There's going to be an increasingly advanced translation
| layer in-between the user prompt and the software responsible
| for producing the images. We've done this for pretty much all
| computing & software systems that people interface with.
| Stripping out the complexity on the front-end for the user is
| one key to how you get generative software to go super wide.
| To do that more of the complexity goes to the back-end.
| IanCal wrote:
| Does it work if you just call
|
| > #graphic_art("my prompt here")
| ilaksh wrote:
| How do you jailbreak it?
| qup wrote:
| In the screenshot they show how.
| kzrdude wrote:
| Can you explain what we should see and understand from that
| picture?
| qup wrote:
| They provide the prompt used.
| ilaksh wrote:
| They show how to reveal the prompt but not how to disable
| or override it.
| thambidurai wrote:
| `baby girl playing with a rabbit realistic image` prompt gave
| `Unsafe image content detected`. anyone else facing the same?
| looks like the content safety policies are too aggressive.
|
| genuinely curious - is it hard for an advanced AI model to
| differentiate the intention of the prompt and then if it's mature
| content may be not generate the image?
| dragonwriter wrote:
| > is it hard for an advanced AI model to differentiate the
| intention of the prompt and then if it's mature content may be
| not generate the image?
|
| Or, better, if the prompt has nothing NSFW in it and the
| generated image triggers a detector for NSFW content, dump and
| then regen the image with a new seed. Displaying an error
| message that is basically "We generated something that we think
| is objectionable, even though your prompt called for nothing
| like that, so you get no photo" is an idiotic design.
| simonh wrote:
| It's not that the user may have such intent, though they may
| and it's hard to see how the AI could tell. It's more that the
| AI has no clue what possible juxtapositions it might come up
| with of baby girl and rabbit, or anything else, might have
| disturbing implications for humans.
| raesene9 wrote:
| This definitely seems like an improvement over previous versions.
| It can now (at least in some cases) generate correct text for a
| given image. For example the prompt 'Neon sign saying "Scotland"'
| generated this https://www.bing.com/images/create/neon-sign-
| saying-22scotla...
|
| it's still far from perfect though (it struggled with less common
| words like Kubernetes) but a step in the right direction.
| anonzzzies wrote:
| I have been generating things for the last 24 hours; it's really
| nice. I really don't like the discord interface of midjourney.
| mardifoufs wrote:
| Midjourney is discord only? Wait, that sounds like an insane
| load (just the storage+bandwidth, I know the models don't run
| there) on Discord's servers. It's a pretty neat way to be able
| to scale super quickly at first but I would think that discord
| wouldn't like it. I would also have imagined that they'd have
| built their own interface by now.
| kaetemi wrote:
| They work together directly with Discord. Even got
| specialised UI for inpainting in Discord now. Their server is
| a special case with different limits too.
|
| (They do have a web app and a mobile app that are probably in
| eternal alpha limbo.)
| GaggiX wrote:
| I think they have some agreements, Midjourney is the biggest
| server on Discord (by a large margin).
| ohadron wrote:
| Same. Can't imagine why they've been using it for so long
| instead of building a reasonable UX for this use case. I think
| this will cost them a bunch of traction.
| ilaksh wrote:
| I believe the fact that it's in Discord is actually the main
| reason it became so popular so fast. The number one thing
| that makes something popular is other people already doing
| it.
|
| When you go into a Discord and you are watching hundreds of
| people use a product in real time, you almost have to try it.
| When Midjourney first blew up, it was probably one of the
| most profound moments in marketing of the internet era.
|
| As usual, people will happily give you the worst advice
| possible. There were people telling them to drop the Discord
| interface on day one. If they had listened to them, they
| would have killed off their amazing marketing advantage and
| stunted their growth.
| BiteCode_dev wrote:
| The chat, admin and moderation features in discord have
| huge value and are costly to build. The anti-bot protection
| and built in permission system especially.
|
| They focus their resource on their product, while exposing
| it to mostly geek.
|
| I would have never though it would be a good idea, but it
| proved to be a good choice.
| GaggiX wrote:
| Midjourney became famous by being ahead of the competition,
| using the Discord interface is convenient but it doesn't
| make them any favour at making the service more popular.
|
| >When you go into a Discord and you are watching hundreds
| of people use a product in real time
|
| The ability to use MJ outside of the server is relatively
| new, so it has not had an impact on awareness of the
| service.
| aenvoker wrote:
| Completely correct. They did a lot of testing of a variety
| of user interfaces before choosing Discord.
|
| With a web interface, new users would come in a prompt
| "dog", "funny dog", "two funny dogs", get bored and leave.
| But, when a bunch of new users would prompt together in a
| Discord channel, they would riff off of each other
| constantly and get creative and detailed with immediate
| feedback from other users. Engagement and retention were
| both incredibly higher.
|
| From Day One people have been telling them that Discord was
| a terrible mistake. All while Discord was measurably a huge
| success. MJ has been working on a web interface for a long
| time now. But, Discord has been tough to beat in the big
| picture.
| kaetemi wrote:
| The social flow of prompting together with other people is
| unique when it happens. (Sadly the channels on the main
| server are now mostly a flood of random people who are
| ignoring each other.)
| cloudking wrote:
| On a related note, Instagram has implemented the /imagine
| command into DMs now too. Straight copy
| airstrike wrote:
| inside Bing? hard pass.
| zer0c00ler wrote:
| [dead]
| bragr wrote:
| Seems if you put just about any real person, even notable public
| figures, it pops up as a violation of the content policy, even
| though their policy doesn't say that explicitly. Perhaps it falls
| under "Deception, disinformation, and inauthentic activity" or
| their vague catchall "We prohibit the use of Image Creator for
| any other activity that significantly harms other individuals,
| organizations, or society"
|
| I can squint and see why they wouldn't want my "Cowboy Al Gore
| rolls coal at a tractor pull" but I don't see how "Joe Bidden
| inauguration but wearing an orange suit" is going to bring down
| society. It shot me down for "angela merkel toasting beer
| glasses" despite her doing that all the time.
| bragr wrote:
| If you go historical it doesn't seem to mind:
|
| JFK as an alien: https://www.bing.com/images/create/jfk-we-
| choose-to-go-to-th...
|
| JFK and Fidel Castro at a fictional peace conference:
| https://www.bing.com/images/create/jfk-and-castro-meeting-at...
| Jackson__ wrote:
| If you go too historical, it minds again. See:
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37651874
|
| Also just tried "Julius Caesar eating a salad" and it's still
| banned it appears.
| crawsome wrote:
| I'll wait for public release before I log in and engage with
| Bing. The way Microsoft has been inching their way into my
| computers and accounts, I want to disconnect from their rampant
| invasiveness at any-cost.
| ChrisClark wrote:
| It won't stop generating girls with large breasts and huge
| cleavage. If I include small breasts in the prompt, it blocks it
| due to adult content.
|
| I'm getting to get it to be more modest, not less!
| me_bx wrote:
| Accessing the website from an EU location, the small text in the
| sign-up form says:
|
| > You will receive emails about Microsoft Rewards, which include
| offers about Microsoft and partner products. You will also
| receive notifications about Bing Image Creator. By continuing,
| you agree to the Rewards Terms and Image Creator Terms below.
|
| How can this be seen as compliant with GDPR?
| bko wrote:
| It doesn't specify the model but I don't think its DALL-E 3. It
| doesn't specify exactly, but the classic "horse riding an
| astronaut" test fails and instead shows an astronaut riding a
| horse. And the DALL-E from openai with paid credits is DALL-E 2
|
| I think it works really well with comics generation though,
| although imitating R. Crumb seems to have triggered its "unsafe"
| content. I wish we stopped using this term "unsafe" and just
| judge it by "is it what is being asked".
| TheAceOfHearts wrote:
| How do people put up with Bing? ChatGPT is much more free with
| giving fun and crazy answers, meanwhile Bing always complaints
| that it can't do whatever I'm asking.
|
| If I ask the LLM to howl, Bing will complaint and give some
| boring and long-winded excuse, while ChatGPT will just howl as
| requested.
| og_kalu wrote:
| I mean Why are you asking it to howl in the first place ?
|
| Just saying it's fine if you're having a normal conversation
| which i imagine is what most people care about one way or the
| other.
| [deleted]
| rbits wrote:
| Because it cites it's sources probably
| bytefactory wrote:
| I have "Cite sources whenever possible, and include URLs if
| possible (at the end of the answer, not inline)" in my custom
| instructions and nearly always get citations from chatGPT.
| dgellow wrote:
| Did you check if sources exist? Because my ChatGPT gives me
| links and citations, but they are almost always 404s or
| hallucinated.
| noveltyaccount wrote:
| For me, Bing providing citations is the killer feature.
| jquery wrote:
| Prompt: "an anime girl making a peace sign and smiling. She is
| wearing a thick orange hoodie with the hood pulled up."
|
| Result (x3): "Unsafe image content detected Your image
| generations are not displayed because we detected unsafe content
| in the images based on our content policy. Please try creating
| again with another prompt."
|
| The 4th attempt gave me this which is actually pretty good
| https://www.bing.com/images/create/an-anime-girl-making-a-pe...
|
| the restrictions on this are pretty extreme.
| dgellow wrote:
| It's understandable, you can be sure everybody is trying to
| abuse their system and it would be a PR disaster if it is used
| to generate adult or illegal content.
| Jackson__ wrote:
| I tried the same prompt with "boy" instead of girl, and got
| only a single image with each try.
|
| Then I tried it with "man" and got 3 images for each try.
|
| Guess at least now we can rank society by how NSFW people are;
| simply with gender/age, thanks OpenAI.
| isoprophlex wrote:
| More importantly, can anyone use DALL-E 3 inside chatgpt / access
| it thru the openAI API yet?
| og_kalu wrote:
| No
| IanCal wrote:
| No API access yet, it's not finished rolling out in chatgpt but
| I think the original launch said it would be over a couple of
| weeks.
| dangero wrote:
| How is Bing getting this before full rollout to all GPTPlus
| users?
| Kiro wrote:
| Microsoft owning 49% of OpenAI probably helps.
| og_kalu wrote:
| They don't actually own 49% of Open AI yet.
|
| The deal was $10B for 75% of Open AI's profits until
| Microsoft recouped this investment. After the investment is
| recouped, then they have 49% of Open AI. The deal included
| access to all of Open AI's model.
| dooraven wrote:
| that seems like an awful deal for OpenAI. Especially since
| there are so many AI Labs popping up, how exactly are they
| going to make enough profit to pay back 10 billion?
| dragonwriter wrote:
| > Especially since there are so many AI Labs popping up,
| how exactly are they going to make enough profit to pay
| back 10 billion?
|
| By building relationships with government officials and
| media, and using X-risk fearmongering to lobby for
| regulation that inhibits competition and locks in their
| dominant position.
| morelisp wrote:
| If they can't pay it back, that seems like an awful deal
| for MS, and a great deal for OpenAI.
| conradfr wrote:
| Of course it's "only" 10% of their cash reserve anyway.
| og_kalu wrote:
| The same reason Bing was running GPT-4 before Open AI even
| acknowledged the existence of the model. The $10B deal gives
| Microsoft exclusive access to all Open AI models.
| dangero wrote:
| Feels like a breaking issue for GPTPlus subscription plan
| when Bing has better features for free
| throwuwu wrote:
| Feature. Once the multimodal rollout is complete Plus will
| have image gen, image recognition, voice recognition and
| voice gen all integrated with the chat capabilities so you
| can combine those features in novel ways like the link
| Brockman retweeted showing ChatGPT acting as a language
| tutor and conversation partner.
| og_kalu wrote:
| To be fair you can do all that from Bing Chat
| too(image/voice recognition and generation). And plugins
| are coming to it too.
|
| The downsides with Bing currently are:
|
| 1. If you're not prepared to be civil to a language
| model, you're not going to have a good time.
|
| 2. The image input feature isn't quite the same. Feels
| like descriptions are bolted in from a separate (GPT-4 V
| unless the Bing CTO was lying) model so it's lossy in a
| way straight from GPT-4 V isn't
|
| 3. Voice recognition and TTS are good but worse than what
| Open AI is currently using. Perhaps they'll switch since
| the TTS is new ? But idk. It's also not hands off like
| Open AI have designed their implementation.
| zer0c00ler wrote:
| [dead]
| sylware wrote:
| I tried the prompt but nothing happened. Joining is mandatory?
| emptysongglass wrote:
| Unlike OpenAI's DALL-E this can't take existing images and
| transform them which is a bummer. You can give Bing an existing
| picture but it will analyze it then turn it into a string
| description which it then feeds into DALL-E 3. Plus it blurs
| faces. So it's an underpowered version of what paying ChatGPT
| folks will get.
|
| And as usual, Bing Chat itself seems to suffer from some
| significantly higher boundaries around its behavior, which really
| lobotomizes the chat experience compared to "actual" ChatGPT.
| og_kalu wrote:
| >Unlike OpenAI's DALL-E this can't take existing images and
| transform them which is a bummer.
|
| >So it's an underpowered version of what paying ChatGPT folks
| will get.
|
| There's no indication the cGPT interface will be doing anything
| different. If you see the demo, it's clearly generating text
| for each image at the start.
|
| Maybe you will be able to inpaint/outpaint from GPT but that's
| definitely not been confirmed yet
| emptysongglass wrote:
| Except this happens with every product OpenAI has released.
| Their own homegrown versions always have more features or are
| less hamstrung. The only place I haven't observed a
| difference is in the Azure vs OpenAI GPT-4 APIs: those do
| seem to have parity. Everywhere else OpenAI's version
| significantly leads.
| og_kalu wrote:
| >Except this happens with every product OpenAI has
| released. Their own homegrown versions always have more
| features or are less hamstrung
|
| Like ?
| emptysongglass wrote:
| ChatGPT currently has voice conversations for all paying
| subs.
|
| DALL-E 2 has inpainting and outpainting.
|
| Bing Chat vs paid ChatGPT is no contest: the guardrails
| Microsoft has put around Bing Chat make it a much worse
| experience.
|
| I use these products every single day of my life. It's
| night and day.
| [deleted]
| og_kalu wrote:
| >ChatGPT currently has voice conversations for all paying
| subs.
|
| Right and Bing has had that for a bit. Worse voices and
| not hands off but the TTS is also a new model so it's not
| like switching is out of the question.
|
| >DALL-E 2 has inpainting and outpainting
|
| No one is saying Dalle-3 won't have
| inpainting/outpainting but there's zero guarantee you
| will be able to do that from cGPT. You'd think they'd
| demo that if they were but we'll see.
|
| Paid users have been stuck on 4k context even though the
| model has more. Bing has been running the longer context
| model from the beginning with web page/pdf features. Bing
| also recently introduced "personalized answers" which is
| just retrieval augmented memory over all your chats, a
| feature cGPT really should have had by now.
| emptysongglass wrote:
| > Right and Bing has had that for a bit. Worse voices but
| the TTS is also a new model so it's not like switching is
| out of the question
|
| This is laughable. There's no comparison between the two
| whatsoever.
|
| > Bing has been running the longer context model from the
| beginning with web page/pdf features. Bing also recently
| introduced "personalized answers" which is just retrieval
| augmented memory over all your chats, a feature cGPT
| really should have had by now.
|
| As I've already stated repeatedly, the performance of the
| two is night and day. Use your favorite search engine to
| search for, "why is Bing Chat worse than ChatGPT?". There
| are pages and pages of results from people using both,
| just like me, that show the massive disparity between the
| two.
|
| Why, exactly, are you starting an argument with me?
| There's no guarantee OpenAI's DALL-E will get inpainting
| and outpainting? Why even bother stating such a thing? It
| appears like you're just casting aspersions for the sake
| of it.
| og_kalu wrote:
| >This is laughable. There's no comparison between the two
| whatsoever.
|
| The voices are worse now but those voices are also _the_
| premium voices you 'd currently pay for on azure. So it's
| not like they were cheaping out.
|
| >As I've already stated repeatedly, the performance of
| the two is night and day. Use your favorite search engine
| to search for, "why is Bing Chat worse than ChatGPT?".
|
| I use Bing. I don't need to search for anything. Most of
| those posts are complaining about Bing's character. Being
| civil solves 90% of your problems.
|
| >There's no guarantee OpenAI's DALL-E will get inpainting
| and outpainting?
|
| Go back and read my man. I said you might not be able to
| use inpainting from chat GPT.
|
| It's just really weird to be boasting about a feature you
| don't know you will have and that they didn't bother to
| demo but to each their own.
| russfink wrote:
| Still has problems with hands.
| https://www.bing.com/images/create/draw-a-picture-of-a-young...
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