[HN Gopher] macOS Sonoma is available today
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macOS Sonoma is available today
Author : mfiguiere
Score : 216 points
Date : 2023-09-26 17:12 UTC (5 hours ago)
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| say_it_as_it_is wrote:
| > Keyboard: Autocorrect receives a comprehensive update with a
| transformer language model, a state-of-the-art on-device machine
| learning language model that improves accuracy. A refreshed
| design makes corrections easier to fix and inline predictions
| quickly finish sentences. Dictation brings next-level speech
| recognition and the ability to move fluidly between voice and
| typing.
| mousetree wrote:
| duck
| thiht wrote:
| Interesting detail from the detailed release notes:
|
| > Explicit language handling. The keyboard will add explicit
| language that you use to your personal vocabulary list and
| will learn this usage for each different app. Explicit
| language that is learned is used for autocorrect and
| suggestions
| zitterbewegung wrote:
| I've been on the release candidates and the OS is very stable and
| I haven't found any major breakages or random crashes . Also,
| homebrew has been working great and lots of other open source
| software S
| nelsonfigueroa wrote:
| Good to know! I was debating whether or not I should wait for a
| *.1 update.
| ThePowerOfFuet wrote:
| This is NEVER a bad idea.
| kstrauser wrote:
| Same for me, mostly. I had bumped into problems with apps I
| use:
|
| * Little Snitch needs a nightly build (status: fixed)
|
| * SoundSource doesn't work (status: fixed)
|
| * SpamSieve v2 doesn't work because Mail.app removed plugin
| support in favor of extensions. (status: SpamSieve v3 is out
| now and works)
|
| * Marked 2 broke on docs shorter than 999 visible bytes
| (status: still broken. Workaround: BBEdit text filter to add a
| bunch of lorem ipsum)
|
| * Bartender 4 doesn't work. (status: Bartender 5 is out and
| works)
|
| The OS itself and 1st-party apps have been mostly fine from the
| first beta.
| divbzero wrote:
| I've used Nativefier for years and am excited for this new
| feature described in the release notes:
|
| > _Web apps let you use any website like an app, complete with an
| icon in the Dock for faster access and a simplified toolbar for
| easier browsing._
| sccxy wrote:
| Chrome has supported those PWA shortcuts in macOS at least
| several years...
| ubercow13 wrote:
| But every time you opened one it would also open a separate
| Chrome window that you had to keep open, which made them kind
| of useless.
| hu3 wrote:
| How so?
|
| I can close Chrome and any PWA application independently.
|
| None of them have to be kept open. Even for notifications,
| if I allow.
|
| And I just found out I can even cast the entire window to
| my TV, which is cool https://i.imgur.com/efF1moy.png
| fragmede wrote:
| Total aside, but if you have a Mac laptop and an AppleTV,
| you can easily mirror or extend your desktop to that
| apple tv over wifi.
| hu3 wrote:
| Yeah I've used that feature on my wife's mac, it's pretty
| cool.
| kylehotchkiss wrote:
| The first app I enabled it for is Slack. The calling
| functionality doesn't seem enabled there but everything else
| looked and felt great. Finally, don't need to use all my
| cutting-edge tech's capabilities just to run a bunch of
| chromiums side by side.
| hu3 wrote:
| Is that the PWA install feature thing?
|
| Windows/Chrome has that feature. For example accessing
| https://github.com shows an install button, which creates icon
| for direct access and allows GitHub to have a dedicated window
| and notifications.
|
| https://i.imgur.com/IjxsMpA.png
| Obscurity4340 wrote:
| Like Fluid, kinda
| Y-bar wrote:
| Are these separate instances/containers with regards to cache
| and cookies and such? I would love to have this because I have
| multiple Atlassian accounts I need to juggle and it is a pain
| today.
| wilg wrote:
| Safari (like Chrome) now has profiles for this also.
| [deleted]
| EGreg wrote:
| What is this:
|
| * Screen Sharing: A new high performance mode in the Screen
| Sharing app delivers incredibly responsive remote access over
| high-bandwidth connections -- enabling creative professionals to
| accomplish their work remotely.*
| matthew-wegner wrote:
| I noticed this for the first time today, despite running the
| betas on my laptop (you need to connect to Sonoma _from_
| Sonoma, and I don 't upgrade across the board).
|
| I suspect it's the underlying tech that streams macOS into the
| Vision Pro. The "High Performance" mode lets you select 1 or 2
| virtual displays, and always blacks out the host machine
| completely.
| CharlesW wrote:
| See "Better screen sharing":
| https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/07/five-cool-features-a...
| signal_space wrote:
| the only thing this update borked for me is the safari kagi
| plugin
| leipert wrote:
| Same on iOS 17
| kstrauser wrote:
| It works on my iPhone.
|
| To be clear, I'm not a Kagi support person or anything, and
| also not arguing that anyone's _wrong_ for saying it 's not
| working for them. Just saying, it _is_ working for some
| people on Mac and iPhone, so it 's not totally borked.
| leipert wrote:
| True. I just followed the instructions again and it is
| working. Apparently I had to allow access on all websites
| again and change the search engine from DDG to Google for
| the extension to work.
| kstrauser wrote:
| Huh. I'm using it without problems. Any chance you're using
| multiple Safari profiles (new feature in Sonoma) and it's not
| enabled in the profile you have active?
| signal_space wrote:
| ill double check but i mentioned it on the forums and they
| suggested i use orion
|
| https://kagifeedback.org/d/1708-inconsistently-redirects-
| to-...
| kstrauser wrote:
| I love Kagi-the-search-engine, but I'm not at all surprised
| they recommended you switch to Orion.
|
| If you go into Safari's extension settings, is their
| extension enabled for all websites?
| w1nst0nsm1th wrote:
| You can use xsearch instead and use a bang for kagy or Redirect
| Web for Safari.
| capableweb wrote:
| I still don't understand why Apple is so bent on coupling
| application updates together with OS updates.
|
| I just want the new changes to Safari and Notes while I don't
| care about the other changes, why not have Safari be a normal
| application downloaded from the App Store, like the rest of us
| pleebs have to do when publishing apps?
| derefr wrote:
| macOS is a BSD; the whole point of BSDs is that the OS and
| "base system" are vertically integrated (and, usually, living
| in a monorepo together) so that a dev can one day decide to add
| a new API to replace one currently used by first-party apps, by
| just adding the code and then doing a big Search+Replace to fix
| all first-party apps to use it, all in a single commit.
| Klonoar wrote:
| The user land is from FreeBSD. It is not "a BSD" otherwise
| but this myth still gets repeated constantly.
| PaulDavisThe1st wrote:
| macOS is a BSD in the same way that Linux is a Unix.
|
| i.e. they may have started out that way, but almost nothing
| is gained thinking about this history today, despite it being
| factually correct.
| derefr wrote:
| What I mean is that:
|
| - Darwin is developed "as" a BSD -- a vertically-integrated
| base-system monorepo that contains the kernel, the system
| libraries, and the low-level userland services and
| software. Rather than teams working on one component that
| has a contractual ABI with other components, there are no
| real "team-shear-layer" ABIs, except at the public API
| level that gets presented to users; and instead, anywhere
| below the userland public API level, is free to be modified
| as part of the project of modifying system software.
| (Think, by analogy, the introduction of pledge(3) in
| OpenBSD. Apple can insert new "technologies" like that
| throughout every layer of the system very easily--and they
| often do!)
|
| - Darwin is _installed_ and _tested_ like a BSD: it 's a
| whole base-system release, containing an inseparable kernel
| + base system. There is no way to test individual
| components in isolation (without a complete mock of the
| rest of the base system), as the components may all have
| circular dependencies -- the kernel can depend on the base
| system just as the base system can depend on the kernel,
| because it's all one "layer." There's no package manager;
| no packaging; no components with separate build artifacts
| that get "integrated." You just _build_ an entire base
| system, and have to wholesale swap your old base-system for
| the new one. (In the "old days" on minicomputers, the
| rootfs wasn't BSD per se, but was specific to booting that
| machine; while /usr was a BSD on tape, direct from
| Berkeley. An "OS upgrade" of a BSD was a new /usr tape for
| you to mount on next reboot. These days, macOS uses APFS
| system volumes to achieve almost exactly the same thing.)
|
| AFAIK, there's no real good name for these properties
| besides "a BSD" -- despite these properties not really
| being BSD-specific. Maybe let's call this "BSD-style OS
| architecture"?
|
| macOS before OSX already _had_ BSD-style OS architecture --
| though it was something closer to embedded OS architecture
| at first, shipping OS-on-ROM in early Macs, and only
| evolving toward updateable on-disk kernels with System
| 7-or-so. But the Apple development team 's BSD-style
| "thinking", is what made the choice of merging macOS with
| the Jobs' NeXT Darwin BSD base-system, an "intuitive"
| operation, rather than something fraught with paradigm-
| conflict. It's the same reason that Apple ran NetBSD on the
| servers they ran to back WebObjects for iTMS, back when:
| "BSD-style" is how Apple engineers think.
| [deleted]
| justoreply wrote:
| I have a company-provided mac, I don't have an App Store
| account as it requires a phone number (and I'm not going to use
| my personal phone number to register it, it is not even allowed
| by policy) so I'm not going to update any app via the store
| capableweb wrote:
| Well, then this doesn't really affect you as you don't have a
| choice regarding updates at all :)
| [deleted]
| twostorytower wrote:
| Safari 17 is also available on Monterey (macOS 12) or Ventura
| (macOS 13).
| tppiotrowski wrote:
| No need for a testing matrix (Does version X of app work with
| version Y of MacOS)?
|
| Not needing to bundle dependencies that you know are provided
| by your OS environment?
|
| Easy to investigate and fix bugs (You don't need a VM of every
| MacOS version on your machine)?
| andai wrote:
| Cause then no one would update?
| mrWiz wrote:
| This method reduces testing burden by eliminating the
| combination of an old OS with new app.
|
| They might also see it as an incentive - perhaps new app
| features act as driver for OS adoption.
| cj wrote:
| On the flip side, zero-day WebKit security vulnerabilities
| require a full OS update to patch Safari.
|
| From a security perspective decoupling from OS updates seems
| advantageous.
| angulardragon03 wrote:
| RSRs [1] are sort of not this though. They're still a bit
| weird, but can contain updates for WebKit and/or Safari in
| a very small update that installs very quickly. Also worth
| noting that WebKit is buried pretty deep in macOS (as it
| underpins a lot more than just Safari) so isn't as easy to
| patch by itself.
|
| [1] https://support.apple.com/en-
| mk/guide/deployment/dep93ff7ea7...
| coldtea wrote:
| Most of the new app features are tied to OS-wide and OS-APIs
| wide capabilities, so they can't release "just Notes" without
| the OS-level frameworks that support those features. Take for
| example the PDF editing/support in Notes now. Or the Pages
| compatibility. Or Note widgets for the desktop, etc. Similar
| case for Safari, as they offer the webkit widget and JSCore as
| an OS-level APIs too.
|
| Plus of course everything is tested together (which is what
| Linux distros also do. They update their apps for minor
| releases and bugfixes but not major releases for the same
| distro).
| capableweb wrote:
| I give you that some of the new features are tied to OS-wide
| updates, but many of them seems they're not. And if they
| wanted to, they could still decouple apps from OS updates and
| if you're on a old OS version and the new app update requires
| a newer OS, just block that specific update from happening.
|
| > Plus of course everything is tested together
|
| That makes sense, Apple's QA department seems to be held
| together with tape for the last decade or so, as every new
| update seems to break something, so maybe they're trying to
| make it as easy as possible now in order to recover.
| mackmgg wrote:
| I'm not sure why Notes needs to be bundled with the OS update,
| but Safari isn't. You can download Safari 17 for macOS Ventura
| as well! Only the features that require integration with other
| apps (such as auto-filling 2FA codes from Mail) require Sonoma.
| philistine wrote:
| The fact that Safari is available for multiple OS versions
| might be a remnant of the work done to ship Safari for
| Windows.
| nlarew wrote:
| Apple knows that you want the app updates. They want you to
| update to the latest OS for a variety of reasons (support,
| security, marketing, etc). They also know you paid thousands of
| dollars for your laptop and aren't likely to switch off of
| macOS entirely. So, they bundle the app updates to the OS
| update as an incentive.
| hyperjeff wrote:
| A lot of the app updates are using new APIs that only exist
| starting with the OS update. Practical way to surface the new
| OS features.
| fh9302 wrote:
| For those curious, yes Apple did fix the Sonoma firewall bug
| reported by Mullvad.
|
| https://mullvad.net/en/blog/2023/9/22/macos-14-sonoma-firewa...
| l5870uoo9y wrote:
| Have this affected other VPN clients as well?
| elashri wrote:
| I was about to submit the same comment. This was the thing that
| would have prevented me from upgrading. I searched if it waa
| fixed. As it would have affected Little snitch and Mullvad VPN
| which is essential apps on my mac.
| kdrag0n wrote:
| Yep, OrbStack's networking issue (similar PF bug) was also
| fixed in RC 2.
| ksec wrote:
| Seems strange Safari 17 is still not released for monterey.
| [deleted]
| _boffin_ wrote:
| Anyone know what's up with CGPDFService and why there's so many
| instances eating up my cpu?
| de6u99er wrote:
| I hope it can do DisplayPort Multi Stream Transport. Currently I
| have to connect one screen through TB4, and the other one through
| HDMI despite the TB4 screen being able to daisy chain through
| DisplayPort.
|
| One screen is a 32 inch UHD 60Hz monitor and the other one is a
| 24 inch 2560x1440 90Hz screen which is rotated by 90 degrees.
| DiabloD3 wrote:
| The hardware supports it fine, if you ran any other OS it'd
| work.
|
| OSX refuses to support it because it eats into their monitor
| sales that use an alternative TB-based multiplexing protocol
| (which is only available on Apple devices, which are, well, not
| the world's best monitors, yet somehow the most expensive per
| square inch in a lot of cases).
|
| All the various incarnations as far back as Ivy Bridge's TB2
| should have working support in Windows and Linux. I have
| physically tested it on my MBPR from that era, and it worked,
| and I know of other people's newer OS-swapped Macs also
| working.
|
| Lack of MST support in OSX has historically blocked 4k early
| adopters: 4k screens exported themselves as two logical
| displays due to 4k monitors coming out ahead of HBR2-capable
| controllers.
|
| As for ARM-era Macs, as far as I know, they licensed a common
| ASIC block for their DisplayPort transceiver, which is also
| what AMD, Nvidia, and Intel have done. So, their hardware
| should still support it fine, but I have no clue if Asahi's
| work on the GPU driver has gotten MST to work.
| peler wrote:
| [flagged]
| magnio wrote:
| Most notable change to me:
|
| > Notes: Users can view PDFs and scans of presentations,
| assignments, research papers, and more right inside Notes. They
| can also create links from one note to another to relate ideas
| and content.
|
| Can I annotate on PDFs in Notes as well, obviating the need for
| Goodnotes and friends?
| dkonofalski wrote:
| PDF Annotation is already a system-wide OS-level feature thanks
| to Preview so you should be able to.
| sarasasa28 wrote:
| macos sodoma?
| divbzero wrote:
| > _One-Time verification code AutoFill from Mail helps you
| quickly sign into sites in Safari, without leaving the browser._
|
| I've used SMS for 2FA even though it's vulnerable to hijacking
| because AutoFill from SMS makes it so easy. AutoFill from Mail
| will be a welcome alternative.
| flangola7 wrote:
| So it has access to your mail? That's spooky
| [deleted]
| ascagnel_ wrote:
| In my experience, and on iOS, it only works with the first-
| party Mail.app; trying to use a third-party app like GMail
| won't pull up 2FA codes.
| cglong wrote:
| So it goes... Warning: You are using macOS 11.
| We (and Apple) do not provide support for this old version.
| It is expected behaviour that some formulae will fail to build in
| this old version. It is expected behaviour that Homebrew
| will be buggy and slow. Do not create any issues about this
| on Homebrew's GitHub repositories. Do not create any issues
| even if you think this message is unrelated. Any opened
| issues will be immediately closed without response. Do not
| ask for help from Homebrew or its maintainers on social media.
| You may ask for help in Homebrew's discussions but are unlikely
| to receive a response. Try to figure out the problem
| yourself and submit a fix as a pull request. We will review
| it but may or may not accept it.
| joeman1000 wrote:
| Time to move to MacPorts.
| esafak wrote:
| Don't move today, because the Sonoma release is not out yet.
| https://www.macports.org/install.php
| astrange wrote:
| Once again a good time to remember that there were multiple
| perfectly good package managers available when Homebrew was
| invented, they were more future-proof (by eg not putting files
| in /usr/local), and everyone only switched to it because for
| some reason Rails programmers wanted all of their tools to be
| written in Rails.
| jeffcox wrote:
| Ultimately users will go where the package maintainers are.
| There are more people out there willing and able to write
| Ruby today than Perl (Fink) or TCL (MacPorts).
|
| I'm sure someone will start a macOS package manager based on
| python and yum to signal the waning days of those
| technologies.
| jcelerier wrote:
| I'm secretly hoping for a makepkg / pacman-based
| replacement to homebrew, to have the same set of commands
| and package naming conventions across mac / win / linux
| climb_stealth wrote:
| Oh oh, it's getting closer. Currently on MacOS 12 with my
| trusted 2015 Macbook Pro. It still goes strong, but looks like
| the next major release may see the end of homebrew for this
| one. There's really no issue with this computer other than 16gb
| of RAM being a bit tight when every modern app is using
| Electron. Oh well, see how we go.
| n8henrie wrote:
| https://nixos.org/download.html#nix-install-macos
|
| The homebrew team seems incredibly burnt-out, to the point of
| hostility. I've really enjoyed the nixpkgs community so far and
| encourage others to check it out; it hasn't replaced homebrew
| entirely for me (yet), but it's getting closer every day.
| bshacklett wrote:
| My issue with Nix is that you are forced to install packages
| in a global location. Why is it that every package manager
| assumes I'm an administrator on my machine? Even if I am, how
| does it make sense to take over a global directory as a
| single user?
| oxonia wrote:
| Yes, the Homebrew message does seem unnecessarily hostile.
| Not everyone can afford to buy a brand new computer every
| year.
| Condition1952 wrote:
| Those peasants are bound to suffer the wrath of planned
| obsolescence.
|
| macOS could be a modular rolling release, but you need to
| milk the peasants from time to time
| mdaniel wrote:
| I want to like Nix but those installation instructions for
| macOS (and their removal friend) are just crazypants as
| compared to the `sudo mkdir /nix && sudo chown $USER /nix`
| from the Linux version
|
| And that's not even getting into the "waaa?" from `du -hs
| /nix` although I am open to that being a misleading dumber
| due to hardlinks and other trickery that du may not correctly
| surface
| catlover76 wrote:
| "If you see a Homebrew maintainer walking down the street in
| your direction, find the nearest wall and bury your face in it
| in shame and deference until they pass."
| krackers wrote:
| These warnings keep getting longer every homebrew release. You
| may want to try macPorts, which goes out of their way to
| explicitly support releases all the way down to 10.5.
| cglong wrote:
| Wow! That's quite impressive. Meanwhile there was a latent
| bug in the Homebrew formula for Rust that affected 10.13 for
| _a year_ until I finally spent a few hours to investigate it.
| m463 wrote:
| export HOMEBREW_NO_ANALYTICS=1
| runjake wrote:
| Context? Homebrew is working fine on Sonoma here. I do not get
| that or a similar message.
| saaspirant wrote:
| He is talking about MAC OS 11 Big Sur
| [deleted]
| mj4e wrote:
| How do you get it? Not showing in settings.
| rogueresearch wrote:
| https://mrmacintosh.com/macos-sonoma-full-installer-database...
| mj4e wrote:
| Thanks. Is it not available from Apple directly though?
| mj4e wrote:
| It's right at the top of the Mac App Store as 'featured'
| with this story. Yet somehoe it doesn't include an install
| link!
|
| https://apps.apple.com/gb/story/id1699686314
|
| EDIT - COMMAND + R in the settings app will reload the page
| JoshGlazebrook wrote:
| (In Settings -> Software Update) if anyone else is having
| issues figuring it out.
| sigzero wrote:
| That's just a "what's new". You can't install it from
| there.
| dddddaviddddd wrote:
| Settings -> General -> Software Update, then Command-R if you
| still don't see it.
| pyr0hu wrote:
| Nice, time for the yearly reinstall. I usually reinstall my
| MacBook whenever the new OS releases, it keeps my machine clean
| and fast.
| bnastic wrote:
| Used to that... but once I accumulated a heap of AU plugins I
| just couldn't bear the thought of spending a weekend
| reinstalling all that again (plus most of them won't work with
| the new macOS on day one).
|
| Maybe time to upgrade to Ventura now.
| bori5 wrote:
| Anyone know if there is any benefit to doing a reinstall vs
| just installing over current Ventura ? Is it for peace of mind,
| placebo?... Any quantitative comparisons ?
| pyr0hu wrote:
| For myself, peace of mind. Previously I installed them over
| an existing system, never had any issues.
|
| I have a repo for my dotfiles and install scripts so i can
| set up my system in like an hour
| mfontani wrote:
| I hope it finally sped up the slooow animation when switching
| spaces... but am not holding my breath...
| [deleted]
| robbiet480 wrote:
| FWIW it took 30 minutes for the update on my M2 Max MacBook Pro.
| uuddlrlrbaba wrote:
| Hooray! Time to update to Ventura
| Almondsetat wrote:
| You realize OS innovation has ground to a halt when the first
| feature advertised in a new version is screen savers
| RetpolineDrama wrote:
| The new screen savers were bumped up the priority queue because
| Apple has a bunch of QD-OLED computers coming next year and
| they're worried about burn-in.
| esafak wrote:
| Got a source for that?
| diebeforei485 wrote:
| Not really. Consumer behavior is not what technical people
| expect it to be. The main reason people update their phone OS
| is for new emoji. People love this stuff.
| itsoktocry wrote:
| > _The main reason people update their phone OS is for new
| emoji_
|
| I can't avoid the anecdata game, so: what generation are you?
| I don't know a single person who would update their phone for
| a new emoji.
| Almondsetat wrote:
| The real question is: why are emojis tied to operating
| system updates in Apple land?
| wilg wrote:
| To get people to upgrade! It's extraordinarily effective.
| They seem to always do it in the first major patch after
| a major release, to kinda ensure everyone gets a stable
| version of the OS.
| diebeforei485 wrote:
| Because it convinces people to install the latest
| updates!! That's the whole point.
| diebeforei485 wrote:
| On the cusp of Millennial and Gen Z
| Insanity wrote:
| Anecdata, but I feel most people don't want to upgrade the
| software at all regardless of the features.. :p
| unglaublich wrote:
| It's a press release, advertised to customers, yes.
|
| If you are a dev, look for the release notes.
|
| https://developer.apple.com/documentation/macos-release-note...
| mouzogu wrote:
| it's pretty much for putting a new wallpaper on the yearly
| hardware iterations so as to differentiate them.
| [deleted]
| lxgr wrote:
| Apple advertises the things that 99% of the people buying their
| products care about. That doesn't mean that things aren't
| changing under the hood.
|
| I do wish they had a developer-focused version of these
| announcements, though. A lot of very interesting stuff usually
| never gets mentioned officially at all.
| themagician wrote:
| macOS has felt "feature complete" to me for years now. There is
| nothing I really want from an OS. I only upgrade for the
| security benefits and so I can keep all my systems on the same
| release, since new systems can't be downgraded.
|
| I actually appreciate not doing relentless "innovation" just
| for the sake of doing it. Microsoft does this by slapping new
| UIs on top of old every damn release. They often don't even
| remove the old stuff, they just mask it with "innovation."
| macOS does this too, but not nearly as bad. In Windows there
| are like 7 different layers of UI. You can click a half dozen
| times in the settings in Windows 11 and basically time travel
| back to Windows 2000.
|
| I think the reason I don't hate this stuff on macOS as much is
| because most of the changes are iOS-ification, and I use iOS so
| I somewhat intuitively know how to navigate the changes.
| itsoktocry wrote:
| > _macOS has felt "feature complete" to me for years now._ >
| _Microsoft does this by slapping new UIs on top of old every
| damn release_
|
| This OS upgrade looks like it's mostly slapping new UIs on
| top of old, so I'm not sure this is "doing it right".
| wilg wrote:
| Microsoft _keeps_ the old UI. At least Apple replaces it.
| david422 wrote:
| One of the last macOS versions had - click the mouse in the
| lower right corner and notes pop up. That's a new OS feature,
| really? I mean, I haven't really thought about it, but what's
| left for desktop OSes these days that they need to produce new
| releases every year.
| tptacek wrote:
| This is not the first macOS release (well, maybe the first one
| where they called it "macOS") where the headline feature
| involved screens and widgets.
| Alex3917 wrote:
| I look forward to them removing all this functionality in
| four or five years, and then reintroducing it as a stunning
| new innovation in another four or five years after that.
| Hoasi wrote:
| Adobe has been famous for this annoying behavior for over a
| decade. Remove some cool features only to reintroduce them,
| sometimes years later, as a breakthrough. Annoying, but it
| didn't prevent them from quietly innovating.
| cameronh90 wrote:
| A few years ago, people here were complaining that MacOS was
| too unstable from all the new features, and that they wish
| Apple would just do a few feature-less stability releases.
|
| Can't win.
| hyperhello wrote:
| It's their job to get people to click the upgrade button, so
| developers can rely on the new advanced libraries, and if the
| impression they make is "basic maintainance update with some
| colorful snazz" it is more likely to happen.
|
| I upgraded to the beta version and am having a bug with an app
| that relies on WebKit so for me I wish I'd waited for the .1.
| pvg wrote:
| You should see the dismal state of innovation in 'innovation is
| dead' comments!
| iamdamian wrote:
| Update: simscitizen has confirmed below that 1Password 7 still
| works in Sonoma.
|
| This will be the first macOS upgrade I won't be doing for a
| while.
|
| I'd like to try it out, but I need to figure out how to migrate
| off of 1Password 7 (standalone) first or to make sure it still
| works with Sonoma. (Edit: I'm expecting that 1Password 7 will
| break with the new OS and make me convert to their subscription
| product.)
| philistine wrote:
| Which features lacking from the passwords system in Sonoma
| keeps you in 1Password?
| TrueGeek wrote:
| Does this not work well with 1Password?
| CharlesW wrote:
| I've been using 1Password on the Sonoma public betas and have
| not had any problems.
| dmd wrote:
| Why does this upgrade require migrating off 1Password?
| iamdamian wrote:
| Updated to clarify. My expectation is that 1Password 7 won't
| work on Sonoma. In my experience, AgileBits requires an
| upgrade for new versions of macOS. IIUC, 1Password 7 is also
| the last version that you can buy outright rather than paying
| for by subscription.
| dmd wrote:
| Thanks, that makes much more sense.
| dpcx wrote:
| I've never had a problem using 1Password 7 on updated
| versions of OSX. I'm in the same boat, and am still using
| 1Password 7 on Ventura after having upgraded through
| multiple OSs.
| [deleted]
| dkonofalski wrote:
| I reluctantly upgraded to the subscription for 1Pass after
| the last OS update but I'm glad I did. The features that
| the 1Pass team has added since then as well as the fact
| that the subscription includes apps for all their platforms
| has already paid itself off in my eyes.
| iamdamian wrote:
| I hear what you're saying, but I'm not planning to ever
| move to a subscription model for storing my passwords.
| dkonofalski wrote:
| As long as you're comfortable self-hosting and admining,
| that shouldn't be a problem.
| iamdamian wrote:
| It's funny because this really shouldn't be required (and
| isn't with 1Password standalone). But yes, I will
| eventually move over to BitWarden.
| dkonofalski wrote:
| Yes, but 1Password standalone is missing many of the
| features of the subscription service that would be
| impossible to implement without it.
| iamdamian wrote:
| That's fair, but many people (myself included) don't need
| those.
| simscitizen wrote:
| 1Password 7 works fine for me on Sonoma.
| iamdamian wrote:
| Thanks! Updated, and sorry for the false alarm. (But I
| have been burned in the past.)
| simscitizen wrote:
| Hm I just checked again. I appear to be using:
|
| - 1Password 7 desktop app
|
| - 1Password 7 Safari extension, which seems to work fine
| (or at least the same way it always worked)
|
| - The latest Chrome extension, which I believe does
| everything in the browser
|
| So I don't know how well 1Password 7 works with Chrome.
| FooBarWidget wrote:
| I was also reluctant to upgrade to 1Password 8, mostly out
| of principle. I didn't want to pay for a subscription.
|
| But after having reconsidered my disaster recovery
| procedure, I swallowed the bitter pill after all. The
| problem is that I need to be able to recover my passwords
| when 1) my house was on fire AND 2) I left my phone behind
| during the evacuation.
|
| My 1Password db was stored on Dropbox. But my Dropbox
| password is in 1Password. Furthermore Dropbox sometimes
| requires 2-factor auth via email... and my Gmail password
| is _also_ in 1Password. And Google is quite a bit more
| serious about 2FA than Dropbox. So even if I write down my
| Dropbox and Gmail password on paper and store them at my
| parents ' home, I still can't login to Gmail easily because
| I have lost my phone.
|
| This can be solved by writing down even more stuff on
| paper. Or by storing a USB stick of the 1Password db at my
| parents' home (but now the stick should be encrypted, where
| do you store the key?). The point is: the rabbit hole goes
| deep, and you have to keep all that stuff updated. Plus my
| parents will have access to all my data. Not that I don't
| trust them, but what happens if someone breaks into their
| house?
|
| All this can be much simplified by just getting a 1Password
| subscription. I store my 1Password secret key (not master
| password) at my parents' home. They can't do anything with
| just the secret key. I memorized my master password. All
| 2FA recovery codes are in 1Password. This way everything
| can be recovered without the risk that my parents or a
| burglar at their house can access my passwords. I think
| this simplicity in disaster recovery is worth the
| subscription price.
| [deleted]
| whalesalad wrote:
| I used to love the in depth reviews of macOS from John Siracusa.
| They aren't the same since then, but I still tend to look to Ars
| for a full review before upgrading.
| https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/09/macos-14-sonoma-the-...
| jccalhoun wrote:
| Since he has left his day job I was hoping he would start
| writing them again but that hasn't happened.
| mig39 wrote:
| Those reviews were the best. But you could tell they took a lot
| of time to write and prepare. Talk about thorough!
| rmorey wrote:
| I agree, no one does it like Siracusa did. But I do quite like
| the MacStories reviews of macOS by John Voorhees:
| https://www.macstories.net/stories/macos-sonoma-the-macstori...
| lostlogin wrote:
| There is no way anyone familiar with the guy wouldn't already
| know this, but his podcast Hypercritical was great and has
| aged well. His is 1/3rd of ATP and there is content overlap.
| The main problem I find is that once he has complained about
| something, I can't unsee it. It's heavily Apple focussed and
| gives a lightweight and often hilarious version of his old
| reviews.
|
| Episode 96 'Windows of Siracusa County' was amazing.
|
| https://atp.fm/
| kstrauser wrote:
| Hah! Yes, I cursed him a few times for making me unable to
| see something slightly wrong. Like, friends don't point out
| kerning mistakes to friends. That stuff needed a content
| warning.
| [deleted]
| spicybright wrote:
| FINALLY we've come full circle and can have widgets on the
| desktop again!
|
| It's not like a revolutionary killer feature for me, but I just
| always preferred having information always in my "peripheral"
| instead of having to actively check a separate menu.
| pretext-1 wrote:
| This time it can mirror widgets from iPhone though, which makes
| it much more useful.
| wilg wrote:
| I totally missed this and it's very cool!
| egypturnash wrote:
| god yes I miss Dashboard so much, it'll be absolutely hilarious
| if old Dashboard widgets turn out to work on the new widget
| thing.
| flenserboy wrote:
| It failed before because system resources and horsepower were
| too low to make it work smoothly (&, let's be honest, because
| there were often poor UI choices going hand-in-hand with poor
| speed/smoothness). Plenty of ideas resurface, not because they
| were bad & people think they just might work, but because they
| weren't practical when they came up. There are plenty of faded-
| away applications & forgotten old OSes with ideas way ahead of
| the curve, needed speed and/or memory, & were laughed at &
| called stupid because of system limitations that will show up
| again in our systems, someday.
| Klonoar wrote:
| What? The old canvas based widgets in OSX were not
| performance hogs.
| philistine wrote:
| No but the desktop toys from the 90s were difficult to
| justify.
| crazygringo wrote:
| Wait when were widgets ever available on the desktop before?
|
| Years ago they were on a separate dashboard screen but that
| wasn't the desktop.
|
| This seems entirely new, not any kind of full circle.
|
| Edit: just to clarify, I'm talking about on Macs, not Windows.
| thangngoc89 wrote:
| Windows Vista and Windows 7 circa. Separate dashboard screen
| is from Windows 8
| kube-system wrote:
| Windows had Active Desktop way back in the day.
|
| https://duet-cdn.vox-
| cdn.com/thumbor/0x0:1020x765/2400x1800/...
| speedgoose wrote:
| On Mac OS X Tiger, I remember that you could open the
| dashboard, drag a widget, and close the dashboard before you
| release the mouse and keep the widget on the desktop. But I
| may remember wrong.
| Klonoar wrote:
| You could, but I think you had to enable a hidden setting
| to do so.
|
| I used to keep a few on my desktop with this.
| paradox460 wrote:
| Desktop Accessories were on Mac since 1984.
|
| Konfabulator was a much more modern precursor to Dashboard,
| and existed in the early 00s. It put them directly on your
| desktop.
|
| Also you could make Dashboard widgets stick around by
| changing a plist setting
| crazygringo wrote:
| DA's weren't widgets though. They were just regular apps
| with regular windows but with a black title bar. You
| couldn't stick them to the desktop or anything.
|
| And Konfabulator was cool but it wasn't part of the OS.
|
| The plist setting is interesting though -- definitely never
| knew about that. But again, not part of how they were
| designed to operate for the average end user.
| [deleted]
| TheAceOfHearts wrote:
| Was a bit surprised to learn that my MacBook Pro from 2017 isn't
| supported. It doesn't look like Sonoma has many new innovations
| though, so I guess I'm not missing out on much.
|
| Operating systems feel like they've really stagnated in the past
| decade.
| regularjack wrote:
| I guess now it's safe for me to install Ventura.
| mfiguiere wrote:
| Complete list of new features in macOS Sonoma:
|
| https://www.apple.com/macos/sonoma/pdf/macOS_All_New_Feature...
| l5870uoo9y wrote:
| I was just about to say that there isn't any changes worthwhile
| in this release and that Apple employees x people in the
| marketing sub department that takes care of the yearly releases
| and they will - regardless of anything else - do the yearly
| release fanfare with all the bells and whistles :-).
| thiht wrote:
| > Explicit language handling. The keyboard will add explicit
| language that you use to your personal vocabulary list and will
| learn this usage for each different app. Explicit language that
| is learned is used for autocorrect and suggestions
|
| This is ducking great.
| kube-system wrote:
| > and will learn this usage for each different app.
|
| Yes, not in Outlook, please.
| karmakaze wrote:
| The number of 'system' features for an OS update is small. The
| most interesting one to me is the AirPods variable noise
| cancellation which is more along the lines of hardware
| accessory support. There's something not quite right when an OS
| update mainly updates web browser, apps, widgets, etc.
|
| Is there another set of notes that has all the underlying API
| changes supported that 3rd parties can use?
| astrange wrote:
| https://developer.apple.com/documentation/technologies?chang.
| ..
|
| https://developer.apple.com/documentation/macos-release-
| note...
| de6u99er wrote:
| Was looking for this. Thank you!
| webkike wrote:
| Please, for the love of god, add native window snapping.
| evan_ wrote:
| Just because you don't want to have to install a thing, or is
| there something that native support would be able to do that
| third-party apps can't?
| yunohn wrote:
| Currently, snapped windows jump around Spaces and resize for
| every monitor connection/resolution change. It's incredibly
| frustrating to not have any consistent behavior. 3P apps
| can't solve this as there is no public API for managing
| windows with Spaces. Of course, the native window manager
| could solve this...
| notesinthefield wrote:
| I moved from Fedora to MacOS a few months ago and its
| unbelievable the shortcuts apple added to make window
| management bearable and even still, it is impossible without an
| add-on. I refuse to believe anyone at apple thinks it is okay
| and is able to actually work at all.
| kstrauser wrote:
| This bugged me when I first switched, too. I highly recommend
| going with the flow and doing it the Apple way for a while. I
| was frustrated at trying and failing to make my Mac act just
| like Linux. It's bad at that.
| thiht wrote:
| Rectangle is one of the first things I always install when on
| a Mac... and yet I never use it anymore.
|
| I remember using it a lot on Windows, but since I've switched
| to macOS I think I've migrated entirely to their Mission
| Control way of handling windows. I'm not sure why but I very
| rarely _need_ to have 2 windows side by side anymore, maybe
| because I can just three-finger swipe to compare windows.
|
| I still think Rectangle should be integrated as a native
| feature, but I think I understand why it's not.
| CharlesW wrote:
| > _Please, for the love of god, add native window snapping._
|
| macOS has had built-in "window snapping" since 2015.
| https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204948
|
| And if/when you need more advanced window management, there's a
| plethora of free and paid options.
| Insanity wrote:
| That is not remotely as powerful as actual window snapping
| and feels more like what a tablet OS would need rather than a
| desktop OS.
| CharlesW wrote:
| > _That is not remotely as powerful as actual window
| snapping..._
|
| I assume because that type of advanced window management is
| a poor default for a mainstream audience.
|
| Happily, there are great options for this. My preference
| right now is Raycast's Window Management extension.
| https://www.raycast.com/extensions/window-management
| Insanity wrote:
| I agree to a certain extent, but I see people regularly
| using the 4 corner window snapping in Windows. Especially
| as 1440p and 4k monitors gain adoption.
| CharlesW wrote:
| Fair enough, although I can hear the future complaints
| about Apple "Sherlocking" Magnet already. :^)
| whalesalad wrote:
| I use sizeup. Small price to pay for great keyboard shortcuts
| to manage windows. https://www.irradiatedsoftware.com/sizeup/
|
| after spending the last 2 months on desktop linux full time -
| I'd rather pay $12 and use macos than pay nothing and have a
| worse open source experience.
| [deleted]
| marssaxman wrote:
| What does "native window snapping" mean?
| tqkxzugoaupvwqr wrote:
| Not having to install apps like Rectangle to snap windows
| into desired areas.
|
| [1] https://rectangleapp.com
| marssaxman wrote:
| Huh! People's preferences really do vary. Thanks for the
| reference.
| phforms wrote:
| I've been using Rectangle Pro for more than a year now and it
| works pretty great. However, I found that I don't actually use
| snapping that much (maybe I'm just not used to it). My most
| used features is actually the move and resize modifier keys,
| which let me drag/resize a window without having to go through
| the pain (more or less, depending on the window clutter) of
| having to move my mouse to that small area where I can do that.
| Seriously, it's been such a game changer for me that I wish
| Apple would make this a built-in feature.
| oidar wrote:
| I use the open source system tray app Rectangle for this.
| thfuran wrote:
| Yeah, there are some third party addons, but the built in
| window management is appallingly primitive. It's just bad.
| capableweb wrote:
| Isn't that basically why you get Apple stuff in the first
| place, to have primitive but well-working things? They're
| not exactly famous for catering to professionals or people
| who want a customized experience.
| mvdtnz wrote:
| No that is not "basically why you get Apple stuff in the
| first place". I have never in my life seen either Apple
| or its fan base market their products this way. That is a
| post hoc rationalisation for their operating system
| missing quite a basic feature.
| capableweb wrote:
| Really? "It just works" isn't something you've ever heard
| from someone who uses Apple products? Or "I might not be
| able to change X, but at least I know what's there works
| well"?
| thfuran wrote:
| But it doesn't work. It isn't present. There's basically
| no window management.
| capableweb wrote:
| I mean, it is present. Just because it's not as advanced
| as you'd like it to be, doesn't mean it's not there. You
| can move windows, you can cycle between different active
| windows, you can minimize windows and so on. That's
| window management.
|
| Yes, super basic, but so is most features of Apple
| software. Simple, basic and without customization, just
| like how many Apple users like their software.
| mvdtnz wrote:
| What does "It just works" have to do with "primitive"
| (your word) things? Besides, when was the last time Apple
| even used that turn of phrase?
| philistine wrote:
| > They're not exactly famous for catering to
| professionals
|
| If Mac OS wasn't famous for catering to professionals for
| a full decade, there would not be any Apple Computers
| inc. Of course the point still stands that Apple is
| famous nowadays for its phones, but macOS is still seen
| by many as the golden standard in window management. That
| it achieves its reputation without window snapping is a
| detail.
| 2big2fail_47 wrote:
| Can confirm Rectangle works really well and consumes close to
| none ram or cpu. You can even disable it from the menu bar so
| it feels very native
| Obscurity4340 wrote:
| Is it like Grid or whatever?
| jamie_ca wrote:
| It supports halves (horizontal/vertical), thirds
| (vertical), quarters (vertical or 2x2), and sixths (3x2),
| plus some variations (move to edge, "almost maximize",
| bigger, smaller, etc). Also supports variations on those,
| eg. "middle two quarters" or "right two thirds" if that's
| your thing.
|
| I have an ultrawide external display, and keyboard
| shortcuts to quickly tile two or three windows at once is
| where it's at, though it also supports dragging the window
| to an edge for various snap effects.
| rPlayer6554 wrote:
| I work in an environment where they won't let me download any
| applications like this!
| ellisv wrote:
| That, to me, seems like an employment problem.
| pupppet wrote:
| Every time a new MacOS version is announced the 1Password staff
| must be all sitting around praying Apple doesn't add any more
| bells and whistles to Keychain.
| Condition1952 wrote:
| It's a matter of time that they get sherlocked
| runjake wrote:
| I think this is one reason why 1Password is pivoting to
| enterprise.
| ianlevesque wrote:
| They started with a huge advantage and squandered it with a
| buggy cloud subscription model and an electron downgrade. Their
| fate is their own at this point.
| hatuthecat wrote:
| This was the release that got me to migrate from 1P to
| Keychain. Keychain finally has enough features and the 1P's
| browser extension has been finicky for me and the UX of 1P8's
| desktop app feels like a considerable downgrade from 7.
| felixfbecker wrote:
| Can Keychain store anything that's not passwords yet? I like
| using 1Passwords for all sorts of stuff like SSN, drivers
| license, passport details, membership details, SSH keys etc
| diebeforei485 wrote:
| I believe Apple offered to acquire them but they chose to go
| the VC money route instead, adding features for corporate
| customers.
| kylehotchkiss wrote:
| In Safari, keychain and 1password certainly are fighting harder
| for my attention than they have in the past. I want to use a
| workflow where passkeys live in iCloud and normal login pairs
| live in 1Password. 1Password's passkeys implementation is a
| nice way to keep keychain from being the only player in the
| game but I like how much faster they work stored inside of the
| OS better.
| jcoletti wrote:
| X/Twitter running as a new "Web App" is pretty solid, and a huge
| upgrade from the older, unmaintained Twitter macOS app.
| Everything pretty much works as expected & feels native, though
| not sure if Dock icon badge counts are supported.
| royjacobs wrote:
| Meanwhile Microsoft dropped their major Windows update today too,
| enabling me to ungroup taskbar items. Put THAT in your Apple and
| smoke it!
| jccalhoun wrote:
| I switched to the beta of Win11 just so I could start using
| ungrouped taskbar items when I got tired of waiting for
| explorerpatcher to be updated. It is still a bit janky but I'm
| so glad it is there.
| sod wrote:
| An SDR content brightness slider for a non-apple HDR
| monitor/projector would be nice. Anyone knows if Sonoma has
| changes for this in stock?
|
| Edit: Updated now and it seems like nothing changed :(. External
| monitor still becomes dim for SDR content if I flick on HDR, and
| no slider in sight to boost the intensity. There is a projector
| setting as a color profile, but that only changes the contrast
| and colors, but not the brightness.
| outcoldman wrote:
| Have been using macOS Sonoma since DB1, this is probably the most
| favorite update of the OS that I had in a while:
|
| 1. Safari Profiles. I used this browser as my primary browser for
| a long time, but had to use another browser (Chrome) for work, to
| be able to separate sessions, etc. Since DB1 I use only Safari.
| And it works great.
|
| 2. Widgets. I have two monitors, and love that in one of them I
| can see widgets with some useful information. Just wish more apps
| were ready with widgets.
|
| And a quick self-promotion. I am developer of the application
| OpenIn, and for macOS Sonoma I have added support for Safari
| Profiles https://loshadki.app/blog/2023-08-23-openin-4-1-beta/,
| this is the only (as far as I know) app that will let you
| redirect links to a specific Safari Profile based on various
| configurations you make.
| AiTricky wrote:
| I am pretty happy with how my M1 mac performs on Monterey.
| Would you share your opinion/guess on if I will feel a
| difference going from Monterey to Sonoma? I will go look
| through the details later. However, you are in the trenches so
| perhaps you have thoughts?
| outcoldman wrote:
| To be honest I am always on the latest versions of the OS.
| One of the reasons because I have a lot of pet projects built
| mostly with SwiftUI. And each release adds some nice new
| features. And unfortunately to use those new features you
| have to use latest versions of macOS/iOS.
|
| Ventura overall did not really had any OS features that would
| force me to upgrade. Just a little more annoying like new
| Settings app, that was unusable so many times. Freeform I
| have never used, Weather app is nice, but there were always
| alternatives.
|
| Sonoma gave really good upgrade for me, those two features
| like Safari Profiles and Widgets.
|
| With two OS versions upgrade what you will like/hate:
|
| - new Settings application. You get used to it. But would
| take a while to be able to find things.
|
| + new dynamic wallpapers. This will be mostly for people who
| use external monitors/always connected monitors.
|
| + Notes/Reminders - if you use it a lot, you can use tags and
| links between notes.
|
| + If you use Docker and similar software, Virtualization
| framework is getting a lot of upgrades, so you might see them
| to work better.
|
| + Safari Profiles and Tab Groups. If you are Safari user.
|
| + Widgets might be good only on monitors, you probably would
| not see them on laptop screen.
| outcoldman wrote:
| Ah yes, and the webapps is a nice feature as well in macOS
| Sonoma. There were some other apps trying to do the same,
| but I just like when it is built-in feature.
| kylehotchkiss wrote:
| I love the included high quality wallpapers. Apple's spent a lot
| of money filming these around the world and they serve as a nice
| blend of vibrant but without being so high contrast I can't see
| my icons.
| lxgr wrote:
| > The implementations of the exfat and msdos file systems on
| macOS have changed; these file systems are now provided by
| services running in user-space instead of by kernel extensions.
|
| This sounds interesting!
|
| I really wish there was a native FUSE alternative on macOS; just
| recently I found myself in a pickle due to not being able to
| mount an ext4 boot volume on an SD card on my Mac at all.
| (Passing through to a VM works only via USB.)
| Someone wrote:
| > I really wish there was a native FUSE alternative on macOS
|
| Isn't that what DriverKit can be used for?
|
| https://support.apple.com/en-gb/guide/security/secd0a47c14c:
|
| _"DriverKit is the framework that allows developers to create
| device drivers that the user installs on their Mac. Drivers
| built with DriverKit run in user space, rather than as kernel
| extensions, for improved system security and stability. This
| makes for easier installation and increases the stability and
| security of macOS"_
| lxgr wrote:
| It seems like the only two types of drivers are generic USB
| device drivers and HID input drivers, though.
|
| There needs to be some OS-side FUSE-like kernel interface for
| userspace drivers like this to be able to actually mount them
| in the VFS.
| glasshug wrote:
| https://developer.apple.com/documentation/fileprovider
| perhaps?
| lxgr wrote:
| File Providers are useful in some scenarios, but they are
| also not really a FUSE equivalent.
|
| They're more geared towards Dropbox-like synchronizing
| use cases. Some developers have made it work for SSHFS
| too, but even that's already a bit of a stretch; for more
| custom solutions it definitely falls short:
| https://developer.apple.com/forums/thread/681325
|
| The only option currently seems to be to implement a
| network file server such as SMB (which is what Google
| Drive used to do before File Providers existed!) or NFS,
| for which there even is a FUSE bridge available:
| https://github.com/macos-fuse-t/fuse-t
| nose-wuzzy-pad wrote:
| It's unfortunate that fuse-t follows the same closed
| source model as MacFUSE did. It's really holding things
| back.
|
| I was hopeful that Ganesha NFS [1] would suffice as a
| bridge for the various FUSE filesystems I need to use
| with macOS, but alas, they have abandoned the FUSE
| interface and moved to FSAL/FSAL_VFS [2].
|
| It would be really nice to have a clear path to building
| a copy of Ganesha NFS that supported a whole host of the
| great FUSE filesystems out there built to this API.
|
| [1] https://github.com/nfs-ganesha/nfs-ganesha [2]
| https://github.com/nfs-ganesha/nfs-ganesha/issues/759
| ianlevesque wrote:
| I honestly worry Apple will remember NFS exists at some
| point and delete that too. File Providers is so limiting.
| bnastic wrote:
| Don't know if it counts, but RME Audio are now providing
| drivers for their pro audio gear via DriverKit instead of
| the ole kext. Installed yesterday, works just fine (modulo
| checking forums if any widespread issues)
| jurgenkesker wrote:
| I reluctantly did buy Extfs from Paragon for this. It's too
| expensive I think, but there are just no free opensource
| solutions.
| lxgr wrote:
| Doesn't that require breaking glass in Secure Boot these
| days, just like macFUSE?
|
| I'm not really willing to install a third-party kernel
| extension just for a custom file system I need once every few
| months anymore, especially given that Apple's native exFAT
| drivers now apparently run in the userspace.
|
| They should just make that capability available to the
| actual-userspace!
| ghusto wrote:
| > Doesn't that require breaking glass in Secure Boot these
| days
|
| You mean turning off system integrity protection? No. I
| have both ext4 and NTFS from Paragon, and didn't have to do
| that.
| lxgr wrote:
| Not SIP, but you do need to reboot and change some things
| in recoveryOS involving Secure Boot (or however Apple's
| equivalent is called), right?
|
| https://developer.apple.com/documentation/apple-
| silicon/inst...
| tambourine_man wrote:
| This and a container story are glaring holes in macOS.
|
| Instead we get widgets on the desktop like it's 2005 again.
| selimnairb wrote:
| I always get downvoted for this for Craig Ferengi is a pretty
| boy and has to go.
| tlhunter wrote:
| Good ol' Windows Vista
| tambourine_man wrote:
| We were doing similar things on the Mac back then by
| editing plist files :)
| auggierose wrote:
| I wish they did something so deleting files from the bin
| wouldn't take millenia on my iMac Pro. Yes, it's an old
| computer, but shouldn't that be a solved problem?
| pvg wrote:
| Not a real fix but doing it from the command line is usually
| strikingly faster.
| krackers wrote:
| I think it's because for some reason they go through an
| first enumerate the files so they can later show you the
| progress. But the time spent to enumerate the files is time
| that could have been spent deleting?
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