[HN Gopher] Pixel 8 leak promises 7 years of OS updates
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Pixel 8 leak promises 7 years of OS updates
Author : nickthegreek
Score : 56 points
Date : 2023-09-25 20:07 UTC (2 hours ago)
(HTM) web link (arstechnica.com)
(TXT) w3m dump (arstechnica.com)
| impish19 wrote:
| This has barely ever tipped the needle for me when deciding to
| buy a phone. I switched to a Pixel a couple of years ago for two
| main features:
|
| Call Screening -
| https://support.google.com/phoneapp/answer/9118387?hl=en
|
| Hold for me -
| https://support.google.com/assistant/answer/10071878?hl=en
|
| They're immensely valuable and I feel Apple is absolutely dumb
| for having equivalents baked in already. If they did, I'd happily
| switch over.
| shric wrote:
| My single feature that keeps me on Android is notifications. I
| want an unobtrusive visual only (I never want my phone to
| vibrate or make a noise unless my wife or kid is calling)
| indication that there's something needing my attention. On
| Android a tiny icon appears in the status bar. On iOS it's an
| obnoxious pop up banner or nothing at all.
| Xeamek wrote:
| Samsung comes with screening pre-installed as well, although I
| think it's just partnership with third party and not in-house
| solution. But I imagine you can find the functionality simply
| on play store
| neilv wrote:
| I'd still be happy with just my (GrapheneOS) Pixel 3, if only
| it were still getting closed blob security updates.
|
| Instead, I've had to replace it repeatedly: Pixel 3, Pixel 4a,
| Pixel 5, and now Pixel 6a.
|
| Each model upgrade was a regression in size and weight. The
| only improvement I liked was in the cameras, but photography-
| wise they're still only cameraphone snapshot grade, so not a
| worthwhile upgrade to me. I would've rather been able to keep
| using the Pixel 3.
|
| I'm looking forward to keeping the Pixel 6a awhile (once the
| carrier flakiness that coincided with the move the other day
| settles down).
|
| (Edit: Unless there comes out some local ML model _that I want_
| that needs more processing hardware.)
| kaba0 wrote:
| While they were at it, they could have also fixed the emergency
| call bug that - to my knowledge - still exists, and is an
| instant no from me to any pixel phone.
| doublepg23 wrote:
| I think the less advertised feature of iOS 17 "Personal Voice"
| is probably laying the ground work for features like this along
| with the "Voicemail Screening" feature people are mentioning.
| https://www.macrumors.com/2023/05/17/ios-17-personal-voice-f...
| BugsJustFindMe wrote:
| iOS 17 has added real time voicemail transcription in a way
| that sounds a lot like Android's call screening.
| verhaust wrote:
| I don't use either of those features, but the one reason I
| stick with Pixel phones is bloatware. The amount of useless
| bloatware that comes with most phones is horrid. I went with a
| Samsung tablet because Google (at the time) stopped making
| tablets. The tablet hardware is good, but even after 2 years of
| owning the device, I still get nagged constantly for not using
| samsung specific apps/features that I have zero use for. Google
| does do some nagging on Pixel phones for their silly features,
| but I have found them much easier to turn off.
| Eldandan wrote:
| I just switched over to IPhone after a solid three years on a
| Pixel 4a 5g and am having some adjustment pains with iOS
| related to lack of these features. Live transcription is
| another super useful feature I truly value during long,
| annoying calls with call menu options (IRS, hospitals, etc),
| since it is so helpful to see what the previous options were
| without having to listen to the entire damn menu again.
|
| Then there are small annoyances like not having the option to
| enable auto-space after punctuation like commas and periods in
| messages, even with third-party keyboards like swift keybaord.
| And not being able to set a separate ringer and alarm volume. I
| keep my ringer volume very low during the day, but I depend on
| a loud alarm. Got to work late today as a consequence of this!
|
| I'm already considering switching back to pixel 8 once it
| releases next month, especially due to the increased support.
| Only thing holding me back is tensor chips not yet being on par
| until around 2025 when Google releases its first fully custom
| chip.
| slipperlobster wrote:
| Call Screening is in iOS17. I agree that Hold for me would be
| great on iOS.
| Kirby64 wrote:
| iOS now supports live voicemails. Functionally equivalent to
| call screening, except a slightly different prompt.
|
| The nice thing is this is on everything that runs ios17,
| instead of just the latest. Android seems to unnecessarily silo
| special features into just pixel phones for no apparent
| hardware reason. Often times you can sideload (with root access
| typically) the special pixel only features on any phone.
|
| Nothing yet to compare to hold for me, but I wouldn't be
| surprised if it was coming soon.
| geodel wrote:
| [flagged]
| parheric wrote:
| Yeh I doubt this will ever happen in a way that provides real
| value for pixel owners... when they started using their own chips
| it was meant to be 5 years, then turned out to be 3 years of
| updates.
|
| They've had the opportunity for I provide security updates for
| their old pixels for years but chose not too. So this is just
| marketing fluff to get a few more sales...
|
| And in typical Google style after 3 years they'll say "yeh...
| about those 7 years, we really meant 3"
|
| Pixel pass anyone?
| kyrra wrote:
| Any source for pixel phones that were promised 5 years, only
| getting three?
| Borgz wrote:
| I think they are referring to the Pixel 6 [1]. If the same
| happened again, Google might announce that the Pixel 8 will
| receive 4 or 5 years of major Android version updates and 7
| years of security updates.
|
| However, the alleged leaked specs for the Pixel 8 explicitly
| state "7 years of OS and security updates" [2], so I think
| they do actually intend on 7 years of major Android version
| updates.
|
| [1] https://www.theverge.com/2021/10/19/22735485/google-
| pixel-6-...
|
| [2] https://www.91mobiles.com/hub/google-pixel-8-pro-
| specificati...
| msm_ wrote:
| As an owner of an Android phone (Pixel 4a) that just
| reached EOL _and_ for which a potential 0-click RCE 0day
| was just released (the webp thing), I 'd take three more
| years of security updates on the spot. But well, I guess
| time for a new phone.
| jsnell wrote:
| Pixel 6 was promising 5 years of _security_ updates from
| the start. Like, from the very first announcement. As
| evidence, note that _your link is from the time of the
| launch_ , not some kind of bait and switch like the OP
| claimed.
| roneythomas6 wrote:
| The link referring to 7 years of update. If you follow the
| leaker on Twitter kamila in the original leak tweet they
| mention it can be 5 years of OS update + 3 years of
| security updates or something along the lines. The leakers
| isn't sure if it will be full 7 years of OS updates. I
| think other people reporting on the leak are failing to
| differentiate OS updates vs security updates making people
| to think Google rolled back on updates.
| x0x0 wrote:
| There's already an unpatched full login bypass
|
| https://bugs.xdavidhu.me/google/2022/11/10/accidental-70k
| -go...
| supernova87a wrote:
| The problem isn't so much that Google has a hard time old phones
| on their OS maintenance team books, and even just phoning in the
| effort to keep them working (hah). It's that they actively don't
| _want_ to do any work that isn 't sexy and supporting new
| products. I don't think their teams are incentivized to do so.
|
| Let me play it out with an example.
|
| At Apple, a team/individual might be actively told to have to use
| an iPhone 8 for their daily use, so they get to experience what
| it's like for a user with an older phone. They solve the users'
| pain by solving their own pain, and commit to making the
| experience actually better with future iOS releases. Not just
| keeping it working but actually making it better if possible.
|
| Google has shown time and time again that they're not thinking
| like that. Or at least not setting up the company to be rewarded
| like that.
|
| I will also posit that the single-handed ownership of the iOS app
| store makes deficiencies fall squarely on Apple, so they are more
| directly blamed/responsible when phone performance gets worse.
| With Android, and so many reasons a team could claim that other
| factors are causing negative trends in performance, who cares to
| keep making an old phone better?
| thedougd wrote:
| I agree with the theme of your post, but I think it's often
| overlooked that Android doesn't necessitate full operating
| system updates to deliver new functionality as iOS does. Owners
| will regularly receive updates to basic apps such as phone,
| calendar, contacts, etc. through the on-going Play Store
| updates, even after 3 years.
| BoorishBears wrote:
| This often gets brought up, but it's only because of a
| similar ill-discipline to what the comment you replied to is
| talking about.
|
| AOSP has basic apps for all of those use cases, but
| presumably because it's much sexier to work on closed source
| in-house apps that get to be updated as often as the team
| feels like instead of being forced to work in the margins of
| the OS update schedule... they languished to the point of
| unusability.
|
| I'm not even sure if they'd all run on the latest version of
| Android, some of them are still using Kit-Kat era UIs last I
| checked
| Xeamek wrote:
| It's not only that they are outdated, phone app was
| officially deprecated this year and I'm pretty sure it was
| the last one, so now android 'core apps' are officially
| dead
| IshKebab wrote:
| It really only has that _because_ it is so difficult to
| distribute Android OS updates.
| x0x0 wrote:
| But the phone is still worthless and unable to be used once
| it stops getting security updates.
|
| eg google killed my last pixel by cutting off security
| updates like one month before a full login bypass was
| discovered. I mean cute, I could still get updated apps...
| but anyone in possession of my phone could login as me.
| kvetching wrote:
| When will we get our own local LLM?
| jacooper wrote:
| Honestly, pixels are the phones to get. With grapheneOS, you get
| a dailyable, trustable phone, with crazy good cameras and long
| support cycles.
|
| And it's usually cheap, they drop fast in price, but the 8 is
| really expensive for some reason, lets hope it follows the same
| trend and just drops in price.
|
| Something no other phones can't do, certianly not your blackbox
| iphone(even if apples marketing says otherwise.)
| thatoneguy wrote:
| It's still a device wedded to an OS that wants your data shipped
| off to a company that knows how to use it against you vs a device
| iOS put out by a company that seems so wildly inept in this space
| that they just went whole-hog on privacy, at least publicly.
| thefz wrote:
| > It's still a device wedded to an OS that wants your data
| shipped off to a company that knows how to use it against you
| vs a device iOS put out by a company that seems so wildly inept
| in this space that they just went whole-hog on privacy, at
| least publicly.
|
| Apple still sells your user data to advertisers, they just want
| to be the only one to do so, for profit.
| kaba0 wrote:
| Apple displays a goddamn relevant result in the AppStore,
| while Google actively makes use of every single movement you
| make -- it is just a completely dishonest comparison and has
| no basis in reality. This is the non-political version of
| EnLIGhteNEd centrism.
| tredre3 wrote:
| I thought it was just me! Search on the Google Play store
| is just useless. It shows you 1-2 relevant results if
| you're lucky, then a few pages of ads, followed by
| completely unrelated results. When I know full well that
| what I'm searching is there (and indeed it shows up in
| Aurora Store or even google search no problem).
| Xeamek wrote:
| If you can't find the app you searched for directly, it
| usually means that play store deemed your phone
| incompatible (for whatever reason) and hide the result,
| nothing to do with the search quality
| thefz wrote:
| Still, making billions with your data and a failed promise
| of privacy.
|
| https://proton.me/blog/apple-ad-company
|
| They are no better than anyone else, they just convinced
| you so.
| kaba0 wrote:
| They make more money with much much more primitive
| "targeting" because they are sitting on top their own
| platform with no competition. If someone wants to display
| their ad on the Apple platform, they pay apple.
|
| I don't mind being targeted by searching for "mobile
| game" in the app store and it displays a mobile game ad,
| and maybe even used up that I'm a male in his 20s. That
| just can't be compared in good faith to what google or
| facebook does.
| livueta wrote:
| I can de-Google a Pixel way past the extent I can de-Apple an
| iPhone.
| tredre3 wrote:
| > your data shipped off to a company that knows how to use it
| against you
|
| OK I hate Google as much as the next guy but that's just
| ridiculous. In what way does Google use your data against you?
| How would that be profitable?
|
| I guess you might consider targeted ads as being assault
| against you?
| digging wrote:
| > I guess you might consider targeted ads as being assault
| against you?
|
| I'm not OP, but yeah I kind of do. See also: police and
| government agencies buying personal data, which they Totally
| Only Use For Good Guy Stuff I Promise.
| readams wrote:
| Did you know that Apple also uses your data to target ads
| to you?
| b8 wrote:
| [flagged]
| akyuu wrote:
| I'm curious about how they're going to manage this at the same
| time Linux LTS kernels are returning to being supported for 2
| years rather than 6:
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37591050
| roneythomas6 wrote:
| Android common kernels(ACK) are downstream of Linux kernels
| with so many patches which are not there in the Linux kernels.
| So Linux having short 2 years update cycle doesn't have much
| implication on ACK.
| CameronNemo wrote:
| The Fairphone is aiming to upstream their new phone's drivers.
| Chromebooks typically run a much closer to mainline kernel than
| Android devices.
|
| https://liliputing.com/fairphone-5-is-a-repairable-e699-smar...
|
| https://lore.kernel.org/linux-pm/20230830-fp5-initial-v1-0-5...
| pshirshov wrote:
| Batteries don't live that long.
| edgineer wrote:
| I replaced my Pixel XL battery earlier this year, still works
| great as a backup and/or hacker news browsing device.
| izzydata wrote:
| All the more reason for user replaceable batteries.
| pulpfictional wrote:
| They're not very difficult to replace.
| htatche wrote:
| Knowing how Google _shortlives_ their products time after time, I
| 'll pass, thanks.
| mpol wrote:
| Can anyone explain how this works in modern Android? Do the
| drivers for this specific hardware live in Treble? Can they
| "just" drop a new kernel in a point release, like linux 6.5
| vanilla? Or linux 8.5 vanilla in the year 2030?
|
| I am not an Android user, but do have some interest in following
| what is happening. I do have interest in mobile Linux, currently
| I am using Sailfish OS with libhybris drivers and an old kernel.
| izacus wrote:
| No, the kernel doesn't get updated (usually). Security patches
| get back ported and Android releases can run on multiple kernel
| versions.
| 2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote:
| Could this be tentative due to discontinuation of LTS kernels?
| [deleted]
| baq wrote:
| Should've thought about it before I put my whole family on
| iPhones for this exact reason. My kids run iPhone 8 without any
| issues.
| shmde wrote:
| Do people really realllly think Google of all companies is going
| to give 7 years of OS updates ?? I can see Apple doing it. But
| Google ? Also pinky promises dont hold up in courts
| amir734jj wrote:
| I am looking to upgrade my old Pixel 3 XL. I use my phone with I
| love Google cameras and pure android software. I don't like
| Samsung UIs. I am wondering what a good option for me beside
| Google is phones.
| gman83 wrote:
| Sony, Asus, Nothing & Motorola all pretty much run stock
| Android.
| roneythomas6 wrote:
| Sony phones are really bad with updates. They have very short
| 2 year update and the updates are extremely buggy almost
| making the phone a brick. Look at Xperia 5 iv android 13 same
| with Xperia 5 iii. Nothing is good with updates, Motorola
| updates are stable but still have short update cycle and
| security updates are not monthly for most phones.
| jauntywundrkind wrote:
| Has even a single Android phone received a major or minor kernel
| update ever (ex: 5.4 -> 5.10)? That felt like what Treble &
| creating an entirely Android specific way of building kernel
| modules (the GKI, "Generic Kernel Image", specifically for
| Android) was for.
|
| Instead of having to upstream modules or support them against an
| ever-moving kernel interface, the kernel could move & drivers
| would have a special Android specific interface to code against
| that would be stable. That was the plan, yes?
|
| But I'm not sure this has ever actually happened or gotten used
| yet? Android wrote it's own wrapper for the kernel, but is it
| even having the upside it was built for?
|
| Recent thread on a 2021 post on Android kernel dev:
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37612699
| cypress66 wrote:
| I assume you mean major version? Because the kernel gets
| updated all the time otherwise.
| red_trumpet wrote:
| My Nokia 6.2 got updates from Android 9 to Android 10 and
| Android 11.
| gman83 wrote:
| I've been using the Pixel 4a since it came out and it's been rock
| solid. I'll probably go for the Pixel 8 Pro because of the
| telephoto camera, so very happy it'll be supported longer. Could
| Google mandate longer updates from OEMs in general? Or is that
| not feasible?
| izacus wrote:
| OEMs have significantly prolonged their update cycles too -
| both Samsung and Xiaomi are now promising 5 year support for
| their top models.
| rhuru wrote:
| I think a meaningful "sustainability" goal could be to build
| devices that can last longer and be used longer without the need
| to buy the "latest" gadget. Building robust software and hardware
| should be part of that thinking.
|
| On a side note a younger kid in family used this unix tool called
| "sed" and asked me if such advanced tools existed during "my
| time". I told her I was not born even after 10 years had passed
| since its invention.
| Pingk wrote:
| Absolutely! It's barely touched on in the article, but it's the
| first "R" in reduce, reuse, recycle. By reducing our need to
| consume because we want updates or need security patches, we
| don't need to buy a phone every couple of years.
|
| Together with the EU's replaceable battery law, this is a good
| step in that direction.
|
| Unfortunately it pushes against planned obsolescence which
| makes companies more money, so we'll see how long the promise
| of updates lasts...
| wackycat wrote:
| The cynical part of me wonders if that point is still under
| debate internally at google and if one of the goals of the leak
| was publicizing it so Google can't backtrack internally.
| pluc wrote:
| Anyone needs reminding that you can't trust what Google promises
| especially when it comes to their products?
| cowmix wrote:
| Long time Google/Pixel fan... because I love pain and broken
| promises.
| least wrote:
| I owned the original Nexus 5 phone and Nexus 7 tablet. I love
| both of these devices for their design but both had serious
| issues.
|
| The Nexus 7's storage degraded, which rendered the device
| unusably slow. I thought it was the upgrade to the next version
| of Android that did it, but downgrading it did not fix the issue.
| There's been some workarounds that made it slightly more usable
| but ultimately it was a serious hardware defect that made it
| unbearably slow to use even with these workarounds.
|
| The Nexus 5 had a bootlooping issue -- I had the issue occur on
| my first Nexus 5, 2 weeks out of warranty. Fortunately Google was
| kind enough to send me a refurbished one... that shortly after
| had the same bootloop issue.
|
| My opinion of Google has gradually deteriorated over time to the
| point now where I actively avoid using anything made by Google
| because 1) they can't do hardware right and 2) they sunset way
| too many products for me to feel comfortable using them. So the
| promise of 7 years of OS updates on a hardware device by Google
| just seems empty and maybe pointless because I don't trust the
| device itself will continue functioning, even if the updates keep
| coming... which I have doubts they will.
|
| While I was still using Android, my Samsung Galaxy S6 was
| probably the most headache-free experience I had, even with the
| complete lack of feature/OS updates but as it stands, my iPhones
| have all been rock solid devices, so that is probably what I will
| continue using unless something drastic changes.
| ftlio wrote:
| My thought when I read it as well. I've owned Nexus 4, 5, 6,
| Pixel 1, 2, 3, 4 and finally gave up. Half of these phones were
| purchased because the previous model crapped out. I am not a
| heavy phone user either. I think I stuck with them because
| there was always some integration with Google and iPhone that
| didn't make me happy, but whatever it is must have been solved
| by the time I got an iPhone because I'm on three years with
| mine. Probably won't replace it for another three years.
| seabrookmx wrote:
| > My opinion of Google has gradually deteriorated over time to
| the point now where I actively avoid using anything made by
| Google
|
| It's worth pointing out the Nexus 5 released 10 years ago and
| things have definitely changed (improved, IMO) in that time.
| pizza234 wrote:
| Owned a Pixel 1 in the past, and it started to suffer from
| the same issue, so this may be an inherent problem in flash
| storage (at least as it's implemented in mobile phones).
| IntelMiner wrote:
| I have to admit, I'm on the opposite end of the spectrum there,
| having had both devices
|
| I _loved_ my 2012 Nexus 7, and was a Day 1 upgrader to the 2013
| model (my Mom enjoyed the 2012 for many years for eBooks and
| Facebook)
|
| My Nexus 5 I was also a day 1 purchase, upgrading from a slowly
| deteriorating Galaxy S2. Unfortunately I had to replace it much
| earlier after I slipped and fell on uneven concrete and
| shattered the screen
|
| If Google could just take the SoC of the Pixel 6/7/8/whatever
| and stuff it in the housing of the Nexus 7 2013, give it a
| modern battery and a nice OLED screen it would truly be the
| best tablet on the market. But instead they want "bigger" and
| are chasing after the iPad with the new pixel tablet
| tredre3 wrote:
| > But instead they want "bigger" and are chasing after the
| iPad with the new pixel tablet
|
| I bought a 11" tablet BECAUSE it is much bigger than a phone,
| so I can comfortably watch videos and read technical
| documents. I might have considered as small as 8", but 10"
| was really the minimum in my mind.
|
| Given that most android phones are 6-6.5" already, why would
| anyone buy a 7" tablet in addition to their phone? Maybe as a
| throwaway gift to a child? Would the market be large enough
| to be worth it?
| IntelMiner wrote:
| If they could just make the Nexus 7 with better bezel-to-
| screen (maybe something similar to the Pixel's?) it would
| be _perfect_
|
| I want something I can comfortably hold in one hand to read
| books on, a 10 inch iPad or Samsung is just too big (and
| heavy) to do that, and a phone just feels too squashed at
| the same time
|
| I'm probably in a hell of a niche but it truly was just the
| perfect 'sweet spot' size for me
| doubled112 wrote:
| I like small phones. I have an iPhone 13 Mini, and have
| never had the desire for anything larger. They drive me
| nuts. I'm usually carrying two, and the bulk adds up.
|
| I also have a 7" tablet. Small enough to fit into any
| backpack, pocket, my wife's purse, etc. Still large enough
| it's usable with a kickstand and Bluetooth keyboard.
|
| If I want to do real work, I'll just use a PC. The small
| tablet is a great middle ground away from home.
| least wrote:
| I have an iPad mini that I really like. A nexus 7 with a
| slightly smaller bezel and updated internals would be a
| really nice device. It's a nice size for casual games,
| video watching, and a great size for reading manga or
| books. The only option for a small tablet on Android really
| is the Fire tablets from Amazon, but they're really lacking
| in performance, which limits what you can do with it.
|
| But in general I find Android tablets to be pretty lacking
| in the software support department, even though
| hypothetically it should be a great platform.
| rhuru wrote:
| True. My MIL is still using that Nexus tablet thought it is
| completely battered but she only needs Candy Crush.
| enlyth wrote:
| I really tried to ride that train, had a Nexus 6, which got
| stuck in an unrecoverable boot loop after a year, after that a
| Nexus 6P which bricked itself similarly, and then a flagship
| Samsung Note something, which couldn't be charged because of
| "moisture in the port" after a year, despite it being
| completely dry, after which the battery inflated so much it
| blew open the whole case.
|
| Then I bought an iPhone 11 Pro and it "just works" to this day,
| with no replacement needed in sight. After years of being that
| guy who explains the "dangers" of walled garden ecosystems to
| my boomer iPhone parents, I joined their gang and have been
| living carefree since.
| p1mrx wrote:
| > The Nexus 5 had a bootlooping issue
|
| Are you sure that wasn't a Nexus 5X? I'm still using a Nexus 5
| (running some LineageOS fork) as a media controller.
|
| I had a Nexus 5X that bootlooped, so I traded in its
| replacement for a Pixel 2, but its microphone died, and its
| replacement had a perma-locked bootloader... but the Nexus 5 is
| still doing fine.
| hysan wrote:
| It was both, but they bootlooped for different reasons. Nexus
| 5 had a faulty power button that could fail in a couple of
| ways. Nexus 5X was something about how the components on the
| PCB were constructed being of iffy quality. You could get
| lucky and never have the 5 fail whereas the 5X was/is
| guaranteed to fail. I bought a 5X purely for device testing.
| It was basically unused 99% of its lifetime (6+ years) and
| eventually started bootlooping last year.
| least wrote:
| Yes, it was a Nexus 5. There's been several phones that have
| had this issue from Google... which is all the more reason I
| wouldn't buy another Google hardware device.
| MerelyMortal wrote:
| I had a Nexus 5X that bootlooped, but if IIRC from my
| research at the time, Nexus 5 also had the same problem,
| albeit seemingly to a lesser extent.
| doublepg23 wrote:
| Yeah I feel like Samsung has a very good value proposition in
| 2023. I guess my biggest thing is it requires you to remove all
| the bloat and adware as a prerequisite.
| tanduv wrote:
| Nexus products weren't _technically_ made by Google. 5 was LG's
| design and 7 was Asus'. During this era Google specifically
| stuck to working on the software while passing on the technical
| designs to other partners.
| LegitShady wrote:
| I still have a functional Nexus 7 that I used as an ebook
| reader for a long while until replacing it with a kobo e-ink
| device. The N7 still boots. I wonder if there's anything useful
| I could do with it. It paid for itself many times over in the
| first 3 years and everything at this point is just bonus.
| matwood wrote:
| Same. I had both those devices and at the time of purchase they
| were a great value contrast to the iPhone/iPad. But, after the
| issues you describe I went back to iPhones and never looked
| back. Google had a great opportunity that they squandered.
| beebmam wrote:
| After the rug pull of the Pixel Pass, I'm done with Google.
| That was one of the scammiest things they've ever done. I'm
| still fucking pissed about it and it's been a month.
| roneythomas6 wrote:
| I am not sure why people think it was scammy? Pixel Pass was
| a glorified device financing option. Unlike Apple iPhone
| Upgrade Program where you trade in your phone. The upgrade
| isn't free you still need to pay monthly for next two years
| when you upgrade. You can still upgrade for much cheaper with
| 0% financing. Also when you subscribe to Spotify or Netflix
| is there an expectation that you get the same price you
| signed up for when they increase price? That is the same
| happening here. For two years people got the Pixel Pass were
| paying for the device financing + perks. They only paid for
| device they got and not for any future device. Take a look at
| Pixel financing cost it is much cheaper than Pixel Pass and
| when you finance you have the option to trade in old phone
| and get reduced finance rate.
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