[HN Gopher] There's a new map style on OpenStreetMap.org
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There's a new map style on OpenStreetMap.org
Author : gslin
Score : 409 points
Date : 2023-09-24 19:51 UTC (1 days ago)
(HTM) web link (en.osm.town)
(TXT) w3m dump (en.osm.town)
| shrx wrote:
| For some reason, the Tracestrack Topo layer doesn't load for me
| in firefox.
| kiwijamo wrote:
| Loads for me Firefox/Windows.
| gerdesj wrote:
| .. and me FF/Linux.
|
| Parent might like to examine their extensions/network/life
| choices. I block a shit load of stuff and bizarrely a mapping
| system used and generated by millions of people just seems to
| work.
|
| This didn't look very pretty but I still got the menus 8)
| $ links "https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/50.93675/-2.63
| 421&layers=P"
| nani8ot wrote:
| Works on Firefox Android with uBO enabled.
| lucb1e wrote:
| Works in Firefox on Linux with uBO, Decentraleyes, Privacy
| Badger, from a German IP address if that makes a
| difference...
|
| (Tacking more onto uBO reminds me of the dutch/german game
| where you start by saying "I go on holiday and bring... a
| book", then the next person has to repeat and tack on one
| item, and so on, until someone forgets an item. I couldn't
| quickly find if this exists in english.)
| nani8ot wrote:
| The game seems to exist in many countries/languages.
|
| The reason I was including the extension was because these
| problems people have with websites usually com down to the
| extensions they use. At least I don't remember a site not
| working after opening it in private browsing or if that
| doesn't help a seperate browser with a different engine.
| lucb1e wrote:
| Yeah I understand why it was included, that's also why I
| added mine :). Sorry if that came across as making fun of
| your reply!
| rstarast wrote:
| Same here, I get 403s from tile.tracestrack.com
|
| Edit: I think it's due to referrer filtering. I can load the
| tiles fine if I pass 'Referer: https://www.openstreetmap.org',
| but Firefox sends 'Referer: tile.tracestrack.com'. Presumably
| that's a measure to preserve privacy, possibly due to some
| extension (though I've disabled various adblock, tracking
| protection things...)
| lucb1e wrote:
| What do you use to suppress the referer header?
|
| For my job, I needed to know whether to dissuade a customer
| from using the referrer for CSRF protection. I looked for
| stats on how many people filter this but could find nothing
| at all. You're the first person I hear runs this in practice,
| so maybe I can find usage stats on the software you use.
| Secondarily, I'd be curious how often you run into trouble!
| seabass-labrax wrote:
| I block referrer headers on Firefox 102.15.1esr; although I
| use uBlock Origin, for the headers I just set
| 'network.http.sendRefererHeader' in about:config. There are
| very few occasions when things don't work. Perhaps once in
| a week's worth of browsing the Web I'll come across a
| Cloudflare site that doesn't like me, and these new
| OpenStreetMap tiles worked yesterday but don't today.
| [deleted]
| bmicraft wrote:
| It's a feature of uMatrix that's enabled by default
| matchamatcha wrote:
| Thanks, changing that setting in uMatrix worked for me.
| mqus wrote:
| Same for me, Firefox on Linux. Getting 403's
| gerdesj wrote:
| It does work for me FF/Linux.
|
| Does this work? https://www.openstreetmap.o
| rg/#map=15/50.9349/-2.6296&layers=P
|
| You should end up with a view of a small town in South
| Somerset, UK.
| mqus wrote:
| Nope, grey Screen. But like another one commented, I also
| have the same referrer. I also saw that I somewhat locked
| down 3rd-party cookies and the tile request doesn't have
| any cookies. This might be another reason (I haven't
| checked if there should be a cookie there though)
| gerdesj wrote:
| I use Privacy Badger and uBlock Origin in the browser and
| pfBlocker-ng at the router - that is similar to PiHole.
|
| You mention "I also have the same referrer" - I'm not too
| sure what that means.
|
| It sounds like you might want to go easy on the funky
| stuff. Cookies are not totally evil!
| mqus wrote:
| Looks like bmicraft might have the answer:
|
| > It's a feature of uMatrix that's enabled by default
|
| And I don't think uMatrix is all that funky. It works on
| all other sites, after all(rarely I have to allow-all,
| but that seemingly does not include the Referer: header)
| DavidKarlas wrote:
| I just wish it displayed buildings at zoom 16(today at 17, while
| default OSM renderer at 15). And similar for addresses displayed
| currently at 19, I wish it was at 18, while OSM default renderer
| displays at 17.
| eternityforest wrote:
| Doesn't seem to have a license in the attribution overlay. Is
| this not CC-BY-SA like the rest? Is it served by Tracestack? Can
| you use it in very small FOSS apps without API keys?
|
| It looks really nice visually though.
| [deleted]
| stinos wrote:
| Have been using https://opentopomap.org for this for a while, and
| depending on what you're looking for it still has some
| advantages: does show the numbers on all height lines (osm only
| does the 50m one in my area for some reason, leaving you to guess
| whether the next one is 40m or 60m since that is not always
| obvious - seems like a key thing for a topographic map), does
| show the house numbers.
| hilbert42 wrote:
| To anyone at Mastodon reading this, I cannot read this article
| without turning JavaScript on! Yes, I've read your message to
| that effect many times.
|
| I can turn on JavaScript but I won't, especially for you Mastodon
| --because you portray yourselves as an alternative to those
| services such as Google, Facebook, MS, etc. that use JS for
| nefarious purposes.
|
| If you were truly acting as an alternative and acting in good
| faith then you wouldn't enforce the large and slow overhead of
| JavaScript onto users without also offering a JS-free option.
| Moreover, JS is also a security liability which makes your action
| even worse.
|
| Sure, offer JavaScript to those who prefer to use it, and to
| those who don't know how to turn it off, but to enforce its use
| is really a form of discrimination--discrimination against those
| of us who've been arguing for an alternative to Big Tech for
| years.
|
| The web's been rendered an utter mess because of JavaScript--not
| because of the language per se--but because of those who've its
| power to abuse and abuse and disadvantage web users for their own
| ends--we've now reached the point where many of us find the web
| almost unusable.
|
| Mastodon, you've let the side that's fighting for a better web
| down.
|
| Shame on you!
| simonw wrote:
| Nice. Here's a direct link to view San Francisco using Tracestack
| Topo:
| https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=14/37.7846/-122.4304&laye...
| lucb1e wrote:
| View it on a 3D globe here: https://www.tracestrack.com/#features
| [deleted]
| savingsPossible wrote:
| so, how does one use osm for turn by turn navigation on an
| android phone?
|
| I installed OSMand via f-droid and I did not find it very
| readable
| morbicer wrote:
| OSMand is powerful but the UI can ve overwhelming. Organic maps
| seem popular https://organicmaps.app/ but I prefer the style of
| Mapy.cz
| https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=cz.seznam.mapy
| shpx wrote:
| Islands which are also states say the name of the island twice at
| certain zoom levels.
|
| https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=10/54.2375/-4.6695&layers...
|
| https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=10/13.9394/-61.0785&layer...
|
| https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=12/16.7342/-62.1730&layer...
|
| Topography and map don't match up for Fairway Rock
|
| https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=14/65.6235/-168.7505&laye...
|
| Some islands are not named at any zoom level
|
| https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=8/49.629/-126.381&layers=...
|
| https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=8/63.273/-170.184&layers=...
|
| https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=8/71.253/-179.604&layers=...
| lmm wrote:
| > Islands which are also states say the name of the island
| twice at certain zoom levels.
|
| That seems correct and desirable? They're two distinct things
| that happen to coincide. Just like a street with a name might
| also be part (or the entirety) of a numbered route, and we'd
| want the map to show both.
| [deleted]
| lucideer wrote:
| That seems correct in theory but it is inconsistent between
| islands - I suspect it's to do with adminstrative levels
| differing between different nations.
|
| e.g. With the first example - Isle of Man - you won't see the
| same happen with either Great Britain or Ireland, nor with
| smaller adjacent islands. The labels font-sizes & zoom
| behaviour are also very different between Northern Ireland
| and Ireland - the UK having countries within a country and
| adding an extra admin level in the hierarchy. Isle of Man
| being a crown dependency could be a factor I guess, or
| something similar.
|
| Ultimately this seems fine to me though: representing areas
| locally for each locality is by definition inconsistent.
| Angostura wrote:
| Great Britain isn't the national name. It is the United
| Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland
| lucideer wrote:
| Great Britain is the name of the island - this comment is
| about islands.
| [deleted]
| hnben wrote:
| can this issue be solved without introducing ambiguity?
| hnben wrote:
| I mean the first one
|
| > Islands which are also states say the name of the island
| twice at certain zoom levels.
| colordrops wrote:
| Are these new problems or pre-existing problems?
| kibwen wrote:
| You can click the "layers" button on the side to see how it
| looks in other layers. For the Isle of Man, other layers only
| show the name once, or don't show it at all at that close of
| a zoom level.
| shpx wrote:
| Actually the standard layer also says "Isle of Man" twice
| at a certain zoom
|
| https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=9/54.1624/-4.5071
| aendruk wrote:
| What's the explanation for the Martian look at z<=8?
|
| e.g. https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=8/40/-111&layers=P
|
| And it looks like this is a proprietary fork of Carto? Its
| inclusion on the OSM website is essentially an advertisement?
| pipe2devnull wrote:
| If you zoom out all the way you can see color corresponds with
| elevation. Reddish is highish elevation.
| sva_ wrote:
| That's neat. It seems like it isn't available in OsmAnd though,
| sadly.
| lom wrote:
| OsmAnd already has a way of showing elevation in the same
| manner
| bscphil wrote:
| It's odd given that OsmAnd is the most feature complete OSM app
| for Android that there are so few custom map styles for it. I
| know the weird format it uses is a contributing factor (I think
| everyone else uses Mapnik compatible styles). But I find all
| the included themes really hideous and haven't found a good
| alternative. There are really good raster styles for outdoor
| use, so if anyone has advice on adapting an existing theme for
| OsmAnd I'd be curious to hear about that.
| thriftwy wrote:
| OSM is basically a dataset. Everybody renders this dataset
| differently unless they are sharing a renderer. Android apps
| such as Maps.ME and OsmAnd do their own vector renders.
| sva_ wrote:
| I think it might be possible via the Online Maps feature by
| adding an online source, but for that I'd need the url of the
| source. For example, I can pick CyclOSM as the map tile
| source both in OsmAnd and on openstreetmap.org.
| thriftwy wrote:
| That would defeat the purpose of having a vector map app.
| lucb1e wrote:
| ...and add all the benefits of having online slippy maps,
| yes, nice way of telling the full story
|
| I enable this when I want to zoom to a random place in
| the world without first downloading a 600MB map file,
| want satellite imagery, or indeed want to view different
| styles. I wish there was better integration, like being
| able to also search worldwide with online services when
| this view is enabled (but it's also not like I got time
| to implement that myself so I can understand nobody else
| has gotten around to yet, either).
| matkoniecz wrote:
| As far as I know there is no significant overlap between this
| two: except that both use OpenStreetMap data as source.
| MaximilianEmel wrote:
| Crosswalks still look the same as sidewalks :(
| Freak_NL wrote:
| The layer seems closed source, or at least not developed out in
| the open, so you can't easily file a bug I think.
| KronisLV wrote:
| This is really cool!
|
| Though I find myself looking for a provider of geocoding and
| navigation for a freelance project of mine.
|
| I know that I could probably self-host OSRM and OpenMapTiles, but
| the hardware requirements make using a cloud service feel easier.
|
| At the same time I can't really decide between something like
| Mapbox and MapTiler (or possibly even cheaper alternatives that I
| don't know about), since a lot of the APIs feel a bit vendor
| locked.
|
| On the other hand, it's nice how many options there are, even
| though the industry feels like it's moving towards vector tiles
| which perform mich worse for me, albeit look better.
| KirillPanov wrote:
| To use the Mastodon web application, please enable JavaScript.
| Alternatively, try one of the native apps for Mastodon for your
| platform.
| wizzwizz4 wrote:
| Works for me. Are you using a web browser? While a webapp
| client is provided for convenience, upon request, this is a
| social media site, not a website; there _is_ no canonical HTML
| representation, so don 't be surprised when you don't get one.
|
| Try specifying Accept: application/ld+json;
| profile="https://www.w3.org/ns/activitystreams"
|
| in your request.
| lucb1e wrote:
| I don't think that logic holds: Nitter can render an HTML
| representation just fine. It's not because it's a "social
| media site" that there cannot be an HTML+CSS representation.
|
| Anyway I don't think disabling javascript wholesale is
| workable these days, so complaining about that is not very
| constructive (i.e. I sort of agree with you). Especially for
| open source products, those people should feel free to
| contribute or sponsor a non-JS version rather than
| complaining to volunteers to do a ton of extra work for what
| I suspect is literally no more than a few dozen people on the
| globe (particularly with noncommercial software like mastodon
| which isn't going to be annoying when JS is turned on).
|
| I should start complaining that sites don't look nice with
| CSS disabled :P (Sometimes I turn css off using an extension
| to avoid the rules that make the text thin+gray on a grayish
| background.)
| progval wrote:
| > those people should feel free to contribute or sponsor a
| non-JS version
|
| It will be rejected. Mastodon used to have a good HTML view
| with progressive enhancement for logged-out users. But in
| v4.0 they replaced it with the same React app as the
| loggin-in users, to lower the maintenance cost.
| lucb1e wrote:
| Oh, that's a bit disappointing, but yeah understandable
| if you'd otherwise break the HTML view all the time and
| you can't let the noscript crowd take care of that
| independently :(
| progval wrote:
| They could have kept the HTML view as the only public
| view. It would benefit everyone, as it was faster than
| the react app. Instead they now have to keep backporting
| security fixes to the 3.5.x branch for admins who don't
| want to force the new view on their users. (Well, the
| 3.5.x branch will stop getting security updates in three
| months, we'll see how many admins will still refuse to
| update to 4.x.x then.)
| jokoon wrote:
| I love osm, but the raster generators are not well documented.
|
| I want to just make my own raster map for a limited area and it's
| not trivial to do.
|
| So the data is open, but the software is either not free or too
| hairy or poorly documented so you can pay them to use it.
|
| It's still better than Google map.
| arboles wrote:
| Is this not good? (Genuine question if you tried it. I never
| used it, I just had it bookmarked because the README looked
| good.)
|
| https://github.com/enzet/map-machine
| RicoElectrico wrote:
| [flagged]
| [deleted]
| Broussebar wrote:
| It looks beautiful especially the way altitude is displayed, on
| large scale the colors look great and when zooming in you get
| detailed shadows.
| GauntletWizard wrote:
| This looks nice, unlike Google's recent decision to completely
| redo their colors to look like Apple's terrible, faded colors.
| lucb1e wrote:
| These situations are not the same btw. Not sure if you know,
| but this style was _added_ as an option in the layers menu. You
| can use whatever style you like!
| tornato7 wrote:
| In my parents' car, the screen doesn't exactly have high
| dynamic range, and for some reason Google Maps colors are white
| on white, impossible to tell where the streets are looking at
| the screen during the day.
| wkat4242 wrote:
| That's Google design these days. White on light white on
| sightly darker white.
|
| Apparently it's modern and people have thought about it. I
| guess those people wear sunglasses all day.
| navane wrote:
| I keep telling this at my Google maps when I use it as satnav
| in my car. I'm trying to count which right it is, but I don't
| see the side streets as they are white with a light grey
| border on off white. Infuriating. Give me my neon green,
| purple and black.
| aqfamnzc wrote:
| The reason they use such light, poor contrast colors is that
| the map is used as a _background_ for things like business ads,
| the blue navigation line, etc. Yes in the process, it becomes
| useless as an actual map for looking at.
| holistio wrote:
| Can somebody ELI5 what hierarchical place rendering in China is?
| matheusmoreira wrote:
| It looks awesome!
| sydd wrote:
| While I love OSM the layers are bad UX. Currently the main site (
| https://www.openstreetmap.org ) displays 7 layers:
|
| - Standard -- OK, lets say this the universal default. The name
| is a quite non-descriptive, why not call it roads? Or driving?
|
| - CyclOSM -- Why not call it cycle map? This is some internal
| project name?
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| - Cycle map -- duplicate, why does it need 2?
|
| - Transport map -- What kind of transport? Call it "Public
| Transport".
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| - Tracestrack Topo -- no idea what this means.
|
| - OVPNKarte -- again no idea. Looks like another public transport
| map. Why does it need 2?
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| - Humanitarian -- Here I have really no idea. Is this for
| disaster relief personnel, so it displays hospitals and such?
| usrusr wrote:
| OSM presentation configurations are a bit like Linux
| distributions (only much, much smaller): yes, having more than
| one causes a lot of seemingly avoidable mental load, but there
| is little doubt that the design by committee implied by a
| single version would be much worse.
| PetitPrince wrote:
| I agree the "what it is for" of each layer could be improved.
| Digging up the wiki [1], there's (I'm aggregating the content
| of "significance" and "uniqueness"table):
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| - Standard: "Attempts to do many things at once (Jack of all
| trades, master of none)"
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| - CyclOSM: "Contour lines. Cycle map. World coverage"
|
| - Cycle Map: "Contour lines. "Focuses on bicycle features,
| shows bicycle routes"
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| - Transport Map: "Displays routes, and public transport. Roads
| are not most prominent feature."
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| - OPNVKarte: "Displays routes, and public transport. Roads are
| not most prominent feature."
|
| - Humanitarian: "Focuses on the developing countries with an
| emphasis on features related to development and humanitarian
| work. Good contrasting style in terms of overall colour
| choices. Terrain shading. Many new/different icons
| (particularly for basic amenities in developing countries) and
| more nuanced surface track-type rendering. "
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| [1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Featured_tile_layers
| sdfghswe wrote:
| Thanks for this. Turns out I'm not just stupid.
| mtmail wrote:
| https://mc.bbbike.org/mc/ allows to compare 250 map styles, up
| to 8 per page (selector is bottom right of page). I'd like to
| see the snow map, rail infrastructure and power infrastructure
| map (https://openinframap.org/) added but it'd be overwhelming.
| timeon wrote:
| Default site is primary for mappers.
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