[HN Gopher] OpenBSD/ARM64 on Hetzner Cloud
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OpenBSD/ARM64 on Hetzner Cloud
Author : peter_hansteen
Score : 220 points
Date : 2023-09-21 07:36 UTC (15 hours ago)
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| Lucasoato wrote:
| During the last KubeCon in Amsterdam, Hetzner employees hinted at
| the possibility of a Kubernetes-as-a-Service entirely managed by
| them... that's one of my hidden dreams :)
| fnomnom wrote:
| if you need managed k8s on german or other european servers
| without us companies involved there is OVH.
| mkreis wrote:
| also there is IONOS
| king_phil wrote:
| Might go up in flames, though, and literally
| capableweb wrote:
| Context: OVHcloud's data center fire: One year on, what do
| we know? -
| https://www.datacenterdynamics.com/en/opinions/ovhclouds-
| dat...
| omnibrain wrote:
| And Scaleway. (I have no experience using Kubernetes on
| Scaleway, I use their Elastic Metal, Managed DNS and some
| other smaller offerings)
| neoromantique wrote:
| We've been running Scaleway for years (Both VMs and managed
| k8s).
|
| There are quirks from time to time, their disk system has
| been nightmarish for a while, but they've recently had a
| major overhaul there and we didn't really have any major
| complaints since. It is very decent for the price, I would
| say.
| tecleandor wrote:
| Haven't tested their offer, but also Vultr and Scaleway have
| managed Kubernetes service.
| fnomnom wrote:
| isnt vultr a US company?
| tecleandor wrote:
| Ah true! I was using some of their European locations and
| I forgot :P
| xmodem wrote:
| We looked at OVH's managed kubernetes offering but it is
| hideously expensive compared to, say, DigitalOcean/Vultr,
| fnomnom wrote:
| its not the cheapest but its EU only which makes selling
| your stuff to european mid size companies much easier ;)
| e12e wrote:
| Also https://upcloud.com
| petecooper wrote:
| Blog post:
|
| https://www.cambus.net/openbsd-arm64-on-hetzner-cloud/
|
| https://web.archive.org/web/20230921084743/https://www.cambu...
| Citizen_Lame wrote:
| But if your server or website gets targeted by DDOS or anything
| similar, they will just shut down the network/server and you have
| very little recourse as their customer service is very
| unfriendly.
| berkle4455 wrote:
| They also do it when their system incorrectly flags traffic.
| They're the Paypal of web hosting. Stay far, far away.
| MrThoughtful wrote:
| For a LAMP system (Debian, Apache, MariaDB, PHP) what is the best
| choice on Hetzner Cloud these days, Intel, AMD or ARM?
|
| More generally speaking, ist there any difference (except maybe
| performance) when running Debian on Intel vs AMD vs ARM?
| Neil44 wrote:
| If you don't want to get super techie you will get less
| headaches with Intel or AMD today. Deciding between those two
| is not a big deal compared to other things, like the code
| you're running and the server setup, unless you have decent
| scale.
| petecooper wrote:
| I'm a big fan of the CAX* series on Hetzner. The price vs
| performance is really good.
|
| I'm patiently waiting for Percona to add Debian `bookworm`
| packages for their database servers on arm64/aarch64 and then I
| can migrate from amd64 on other cloud providers.
| tiffanyh wrote:
| Hetzner has some insane offerings.
|
| For ~$100/mo:
|
| - AMD 7950X3D
|
| - 16 cores (Zen5)
|
| - 128 GB ECC DDR5
|
| - 2x2TB NVMe
|
| At any other provider this would cost 5-10x the cost.
|
| https://www.hetzner.com/dedicated-rootserver/ax102
| gumballindie wrote:
| You get what you pay for though.
| isolli wrote:
| How so?
| TechTechTech wrote:
| As someone who runs 10+ hetzner servers for 3+ years now in
| both Finland and Germany region, I indeed get what I pay for.
|
| Stellar performance, stable servers with specs as advertised
| and very good pricing and connectivity.
| omnibrain wrote:
| Have you looked at Scaleway Elastic Metal? It's a little but
| more expensive (~ x1,5) but part of their "cloud environment",
| so "scriptable" via API, CLI, etc.
| bluepuma77 wrote:
| Hetzner has APIs, too.
| nisa wrote:
| yes. especially their storage servers are great -
| https://www.hetzner.com/de/dedicated-rootserver/matrix-sx - i'm
| at a small startup and we don't need 100% uptime or
| georeplication and other cloud features but we have ton's of 3d
| data to store - price per TB is pretty good with these machines
| and you can upgrade to a 10Gbit port for additional 50EUR/month
| - or order multiple of these in the same rack with internal
| 10GbE with a switch to have a ceph cluster there. Their
| enterprise phone sales support is also top-notch in my
| experience.
| dataangel wrote:
| I wish they had the storage servers in the US :(
| capableweb wrote:
| A feature for some is a missing requirement for others :)
| berkle4455 wrote:
| Do not host anything of importance on Hetzner. They'll gladly
| blackhole your server with zero recourse.
| preya2k wrote:
| Small correction: 7950X3D is Zen 4, not Zen 5
| mkagenius wrote:
| Sure, but mostly they won't accept you if you are from a
| developing country trying to break in to the tech world. Its a
| catch 22 situation - they offer cheaper prices only to those
| who can afford expensive servers.
|
| I know it's because of spam - but it is what it is.
| supriyo-biswas wrote:
| I'm from India and have workloads at Hetzner.
|
| Also, you can always pay the PS20 fee; especially so if
| you're running a company.
| mkagenius wrote:
| > Also, you can always pay the PS20 fee;
|
| Can you elaborate more on this, does the fee help you get
| accepted?
| supriyo-biswas wrote:
| When I signed up for Hetzner they asked for a national
| ID/passport OR pay a non-refundable EUR20 fee which gets
| you accepted immediately. I'm not sure what their risk
| assessment process looks like now.
| 1una wrote:
| During registration you may get the opportunity to pay
| 20EUR instead of uploading your ID card. The 20EUR counts
| as account balance BTW.
| moooo99 wrote:
| Unfortunately, hetzner really seems to have trouble with
| piracy and spam. Given Plex is going as far as blocking
| hetzner servers completely, it seems like abuse is pretty
| widespread.
|
| It's really annoying that this kind of behavior is ruining
| the reputation of an otherwise great Hoster and making their
| products inaccessible for large parts of the worlds
| population.
|
| Really wish the could implement measure to make their
| products accessible to users from these countries that are
| heavily restricted
| gumballindie wrote:
| [flagged]
| puzzlingcaptcha wrote:
| There are better ways than blanket bans, but they are more
| expensive to implement and continuously maintain. The
| cheaper price comes from somewhere.
| gumballindie wrote:
| [flagged]
| tallanvor wrote:
| Not at all. It's far easier for criminals to use stolen
| credit card information to spin up servers for a month at
| a time than to compromise other servers.
|
| I'm sorry you seem to be from a country that Hetzner has
| identified as being responsible for too much fraud, but
| Hetzner refusing to provide services to people in certain
| countries isn't criminal.
| gumballindie wrote:
| > I'm sorry you seem to be from a country that Hetzner
| has identified as being responsible for too much fraud
|
| Funny how y'all assume one has to be the victim because
| is standing up for that victim. Must be a cultural thing.
| Well, shocking news, I am not from a country that this
| dodgy company has decided to discriminate against.
| 5e92cb50239222b wrote:
| I am, and you're truly an exception.
| gumballindie wrote:
| [flagged]
| lionkor wrote:
| > ethnicity
|
| You got a source / proof of that? Because that's a pretty
| big statement. Nationality makes no sense either, but I
| assume you mean country of residence. Yes, companies like
| Hetzner may not let you rent servers if you're in a country
| they don't like or have bad experience with - I feel like,
| while that sucks, that could be understandable.
|
| Banning based on ethnicity or nationality would mean that,
| if you're in Germany on a work visa and try to become a
| customer, they'd boot you based on your ethnicity. I don't
| think that's accurate at all.
|
| > I guess old habits die hard
|
| Not sure what you're implying here.
| NegativeK wrote:
| It's incredibly clear what they're implying here, and the
| comment is wildly inappropriate.
| kiririn wrote:
| Whereas you have Oracle Cloud (and its highly generous free
| tier) which seems to apply the inverse policy
| Citizen_Lame wrote:
| They are terrible company though. And those free tier
| options all get their servers deleted unless you switch to
| paid.
| 5e92cb50239222b wrote:
| I've been using the same x86 server for 3 or 4 years at
| this point, plus another arm64 one since they introduced
| them (so two years?). Never had them deleting anything,
| haven't paid a dime.
| daneel_w wrote:
| Paid tenancy is just a matter of providing a working
| debit/credit card. You don't need to actually _spend_
| anything to keep using the free tiers with resource
| protection.
| mardifoufs wrote:
| No they only turn them off if they detect 0 load for a
| few months
| quickthrower2 wrote:
| Is there an arb opportunity? Something as simple as someone
| in the US runs Kubernetes on Hetzner, then rents out the pods
| for anyone in the world to run their workloads on. They could
| restrict the workloads, e.g. firewall the outbound requests
| to a pre agreed list.
| IntelMiner wrote:
| That...just sounds like a VPS? Or Amazon EC2, but a lot
| more clunky
|
| Or I guess if it's just random servers running random
| workloads, AWS Fargate
| dangerface wrote:
| Yes I used to do this for US customers when Hetzner and OVH
| would only take EU customers.
|
| The problem is that the customers interested in that price
| point are trash customers that only wan't to do all the
| dodgey stuff hetzner doesn't want them to do. Hetzner will
| detected it and will firewall the whole server all sites
| will go down the bad and the good and all of your customers
| will want refunds even if they where the cause of the
| problems.
|
| Bad business not worth it.
| wongarsu wrote:
| There are hosting providers offering webhosting and virtual
| servers that just run their operations on Hetzner dedicated
| servers. The virtual servers are just KVM to split the
| dedicated server into multiple, with a bit of management
| interface and some firewall rules.
| k8sToGo wrote:
| Because other providers use server hardware and better
| networking.
| king_phil wrote:
| Hetzner's hardware is custom built by the manufacturers, for
| example motherboards by asrock, they even get their own
| mainboard microcode from asrock. SSDs come from Micron, they
| have their own chassis etc.
|
| They have a _huge_ testing lab with insane amounts of testing
| equipment. I never had any problems with their hardware at
| all. Networking was not that good years ago but is stellar
| now.
| withinboredom wrote:
| I've had two SSDs fail within a hundred hours of booting a
| new server, but they fixed it within minutes after I told
| them about it.
|
| New hardware is always a bit risky, so it didn't bother me.
| daneel_w wrote:
| Some is custom built, some (in their server auction) are
| just bare consumer-grade ATX motherboards in compact
| shelves.
|
| We ran two dedicated servers at Hetzner for about three
| years and had two disk failures. These, too, were consumer-
| grade Seagate disks, and both of them had been in use by
| prior customers. All in all it was not a bother and we
| definitely got our money's worth.
| bobwaycott wrote:
| This is a stub article. The original source is
| https://www.cambus.net/openbsd-arm64-on-hetzner-cloud/
| amatecha wrote:
| Yeah agreed, should change the link to the actual original
| source rather than an aggregation/summary.
| matrix12 wrote:
| Anyone have any benchmarks?
| maurice2k wrote:
| Honest question: Why choose BSD over Linux?
|
| I've worked/played around with BSD back in the 90s and actually
| never looked back. Tried it here and there within the last 20
| years but never found it as versatile as Linux.
|
| Working on macOS (how much BSD is still in that system?) since 6
| month now and finally getting used to it. Still feels a bit
| crippled compared to the tools I used under Windows/Linux.
| johnklos wrote:
| Go ahead and find a guide showing you how to do a thing that
| Just Works regardless of the flavor of Linux distro. You can't,
| because they're gratuitously different for the sake of
| differentiating themselves. You can't even use one guide to
| cover multiple versions of Ubuntu.
|
| Now find a guide showing you how to do a thing for any of the
| BSDs. That guide is more usable on one of the other BSDs than
| any Linux guide is usable on a different distro.
|
| That's one reason. Others include the ability to keep track of
| what's on a system, since the BSDs don't include the kitchen
| sink and have good package management, the fact that they're
| lighter weight than most Linux distros (in some cases
| significantly), that they're more consistent and more
| deterministic, the fact that you can literally rebuild the
| whole kernel and OS trivially, and so on.
|
| There are many reasons, but for me, the one thing that really
| stands out is cleanliness.
| IntelMiner wrote:
| If I might make some counter-arguments to some of these
|
| A lot of the points of differentiation in terms of plumbing
| layers are slowly eroding away, systemd helped a lot by
| standardizing things around service files as opposed to the
| patchwork of init scripts (and OpenRC and everyone else
| scripts)
|
| I don't know about BSD's being lighter weight than a Linux
| system, but I don't really know what your baesline of light
| weight is (Ubuntu? Debian? Arch? Gentoo?)
|
| For more consistent and deterministic systems there's
| offerings such as Nix and others
|
| As for rebuilding the whole OS and kernel trivially? Gentoo
| stands out as probably _the_ easiest one in that regard, your
| entire system can be rebuilt with "emerge -e world"
| johnklos wrote:
| > If I might make some counter-arguments to some of these
|
| Of course :)
|
| > A lot of the points of differentiation in terms of
| plumbing layers are slowly eroding away, systemd helped a
| lot by standardizing things around service files as opposed
| to the patchwork of init scripts (and OpenRC and everyone
| else scripts)
|
| It has been my experience that systemd has been
| inconsistent from one version of systemd to the next. I've
| given systemd a fair shake, and even those people who swear
| that it's the bees' knees haven't been able to help me
| figure out how to work around somewhat silly issues (in
| other words, they shouldn't have been telling me how easy
| it is if they can't even illustrate its ease themselves).
|
| > I don't know about BSD's being lighter weight than a
| Linux system, but I don't really know what your baesline of
| light weight is (Ubuntu? Debian? Arch? Gentoo?)
|
| You can't really compare a BSD, or all of the three major
| direct BSDs, with the best of each Linux distro. Sure, Nix
| is better at being deterministic, and Debian is much better
| than the others about not changing gratuitously, and Gentoo
| can easily rebuild everything, but what happens when you
| need all of those things in once place?
|
| By lightweight, I mean that I can literally run NetBSD on a
| VAXstation with 24 megs of RAM, or a Mac LC III+ with 36
| megs (http://elsie.zia.io/), where I literally compile
| everything besides the OS from source, on those machines.
| Sure, perl takes more than a week, but they work.
|
| This has other benefits: I can easily, without much fuss,
| run everything I need for a tinc tunnel in 128 megs with
| tmpfs for logs and no swap on an appliance-like device.
| It's surprisingly easy to do this starting with the default
| OS, whereas small Linux systems are often unrecognizable
| compared with their "normal" distro counterparts.
|
| > Gentoo stands out as probably the easiest one in that
| regard, your entire system can be rebuilt with "emerge -e
| world"
|
| Exactly. I love that. It's great, and it'd be wonderful if
| that were more widespread in other Linux distros.
|
| OTOH, NetBSD takes it further: you can build NetBSD for any
| architecture on any other so long as you're running a
| reasonably Unix-like OS with a reasonably relevant
| compiler.
|
| So, again, Linux in general has so many nice things, but if
| you want them all in the same place, in the same distro,
| you're kinda out of luck.
| tredre3 wrote:
| > Now find a guide showing you how to do a thing for any of
| the BSDs. That guide is more usable on one of the other BSDs
| than any Linux guide is usable on a different distro.
|
| That's simply not true in my experience. Sure, man pages for
| base utilities are usually interchangeable between BSDs, but
| the same is true on Linux.
|
| When it comes to the system (init, networking, firewalling,
| package management, configuration, etc), BSDs are different
| enough that you'll need your own variant's documentation to
| make things work properly.
|
| And again, Linux isn't that different there. More often than
| not a page on the Arch wiki will put you on the right track
| regardless of your distro of choice.
| riku_iki wrote:
| is freebsd more clean than debian in your opinion?..
| sebtron wrote:
| For OpenBSD on a server in particular, many useful tools (web
| server, mail server, pf...) are developed by the same team and
| better integrated in the base system. This means consistent
| documentation, behavior and syntax (e.g. for configuration).
|
| In contrast, Linux distributions are a collection of software
| taken from different sources, with all the quirks that may
| derive from this.
|
| (I don't want to imply that the BSDs have only advantages over
| Linux and not the other way round, but the OP asked
| specifically why _BSD over Linux_).
| NexRebular wrote:
| Because not everything needs to be linux. In fact, this modern
| trend of running linux everywhere from critical infrastructure
| to IoT devices is worrying as it feels like a monoculture is
| starting to rise its ugly head once again.
| timrichard wrote:
| If you're missing some CLI tooling on MacOS, it's worth
| checking out the Homebrew repositories to see if you can find
| what you're looking for. I use several up-to-date GNU versions
| of utilities instead of the older BSD-flavoured versions that
| shipped with MacOS.
| brobdingnagians wrote:
| For me, they've been easier to administer and more reliable.
| I've had some running for years with minimal maintenance and
| they just keep chugging along with no security issues and all
| of the utilities I need out of the box.
| maurice2k wrote:
| For servers I'm exclusively using Debian for 20 years and
| there was literally never a problem while upgrading from one
| release to another. Of course there were hickups with
| packages but not with the core system. I expect something
| similar for BSDs...
| fs111 wrote:
| The same can be said for distros like debian. Seems like a
| weak argument pro-BSD to me.
| jonhohle wrote:
| Crippled in what way?
|
| Others point out Homebrew, but I still prefer MacPorts for
| command line tools. It feels more "BSD" to me, while Homebrew
| reminds me of some tools a Node developer would write (cheeky
| terminology, overuse of emoji, cleverness over correctness,
| etc.).
|
| At home I just use macOS and FreeBSD and many of my personal
| projects typically build on both. The base userland tools are
| mostly the same, but the non-POSIX stuff diverges heavily (file
| system control, process isolation, configuration, etc.)
| hedora wrote:
| When I need to install some random program, I can't just
| create a container and build it. Instead, I need to install a
| pile of random dependencies, and then homebrew, macports and
| xcode all fight with each other.
|
| Also, the MacOS window manager is objectively terrible. "Move
| window to right of screen" involves a keypress, trackpad
| hover, and menu selection. "Maximize window" doesn't exist.
| "Minimize window" makes the window inaccessible with command-
| tab and option-tab. Neither of those keyboard shortcuts
| function properly if there is more than one monitor plugged
| in.
|
| Fractional scaling breakages still exist.
|
| The font renderer is de-featured (vs the open source ones)
| because it is working around some expired patents involving
| true type hints.
|
| It can no longer open postscript files.
|
| I could go on for a long time.
|
| MacOS makes a passible dumb terminal for accessing remote
| development environments though. It also integrates in well
| with iOS, etc.
| mbivert wrote:
| I think you're right in saying that it's not as versatile than
| Linux, but if your needs are focused, then it's actually a
| feature. For example, for small web servers: an OpenBSD base
| install comes with httpd(8), relayd(8), sshd(8), pf(4), etc.:
| tweak a few configuration files and drop a cross-compiled
| single-binary Go and you're all set.
|
| OTOH, if you want to toy around with "edgy" open-source
| software, I would expect Linux to provide a better experience.
| maurice2k wrote:
| I think the same is true for Debian Linux.
|
| Small and comes with a lot of packages that are only an "apt
| install" away. I only install packages that I need an check
| that nothing else is running and/or has open ports.
|
| Don't see this as a pro BSD argument.
| ahoka wrote:
| You don't need to pay for more than one CPU core if you run
| OpenBSD, because you can't utilize them anyway. ;)
| hnarayanan wrote:
| For OpenBSD in particular, security baked into the core.
| hedora wrote:
| Linux user for 25+ years here. (When did kernel 0.9 come out?)
|
| I learned how to perform basic admin tasks for Linux and
| OpenBSD in the 1990s.
|
| I relearned how to do all those things under Linux at least
| five times since then, and am facing yet another round of "why
| the fuck is everything broken (regressed back to worse than
| 1998 levels of stability) and different again this year?" with
| my Linux machines.
|
| I recently installed OpenBSD and FreeBSD in VirtualBox VMs and
| am doing a bake off for my next desktop OS.
|
| FreeBSD is slightly ahead from the "annoyingly terrible stuff
| works in a pinch" perspective, since I have some windows game
| getting to a splash screen via LLVMPipe under Steam. (It runs
| out of DRAM, and needs a GPU that doesn't exist, so I'm
| counting this as working.)
|
| OpenBSD is ahead from the "if its available at all, then it is
| solid" perspective.
|
| Both of them are more familiar to me than the Linux desktop
| that's hosting the Virtual Box VMs.
|
| Also, I'm increasingly concerned about the ethics of the
| upstream Linux development community. Red Hat's new business
| model is based on violating the GPL (maybe they are not
| technically breaking it, though I think they are), and they
| have enough weight to force the ecosystem to do whatever they
| want.
|
| They've rammed all sorts of user-hostile crap (most of those
| regressions, for example) on to my (ubuntu, arch, etc)
| machines, so it's not just a theoretical concern.
| sgt wrote:
| I started with Linux back in the 90s then changed to OpenBSD in
| 1997, then FreeBSD in 1998. Ran it for many years. Eagerly
| awaited MacOS X as it was called back then, and I was not
| disappointed.
|
| In my opinion, macOS is the supreme UNIX(tm) workstation still,
| although there are things you need to work around or disable
| like SIP in rare cases. It definitely has BSD heritage, and
| Homebrew is pretty mature at this point, which wasn't always
| the case.
|
| For servers though I tend to just stick to Linux these days,
| mostly out of practicality. I miss the days of easily
| recompiling the BSD kernel by just editing a single file.
| endisneigh wrote:
| What's the equivalent of Hetzner with respect to
| price/performance located in unites states, if any for dedicated
| servers.
| heipei wrote:
| There are none unfortunately. I've found Vultr to be good value
| if you really need dedicated servers, OVH probably as well.
| However, a Hetzner VPS with dedicated CPUs in the US is still
| less expensive than the equivalent dedicated server at those
| providers.
| xmodem wrote:
| OVH has a location in Canada (east coast), not quite as cheap
| as Hetzner though
| moooo99 wrote:
| Hetzner does now have US based locations. However, as far I can
| tell, they are restricted to their cloud products and not their
| line of dedicated servers
| Uptrenda wrote:
| Nice, I just bought Hetzner's 'EX101' and I'm extremely happy
| with it. Already hosting my own STUN, TURN, and echo servers.
| They give you plenty of IPv6s and adding additional IPv4s is very
| cheap. I'm happy with it.
|
| I want to say that if any of you decide to try Hetzner and use
| their auction process instead of their regular packages - make
| sure you check out the details for the CPU. I made the mistake of
| buying an old server on there because it had plenty of RAM, disk
| space, and bandwidth. Then I saw the CPU was ancient and had only
| 4 cores.
|
| You know there is something quite unique and strange about
| Hetzner. They charge you no money until your first invoice date
| rolls around. So you essentially have access to their servers for
| free until whenever the next invoice date is. It seems to me...
| how to say it? Kind of crazy and insanely trusting. But it works,
| I guess?
| dizhn wrote:
| On most servers there's a setup fee so people are not very
| likely to run without paying. (I know it doesn't exist in
| auction and they do have no-fee specials sometimes)
| EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK wrote:
| The setup fee is refunded too. Source: just had $258 returned
| to me after Ampere Altra server did not behave as I expected
| after running it for 13 days.
| CrimsonRain wrote:
| what was the issue?
| EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK wrote:
| It was behaving strangely under load - worked for a few
| hours all right, then at some point all 80 cores
| invariably fell into 1GHz mode with no way to return them
| to work at normal 3GHz. Probably some software issue,
| because reboot (and only reboot) fixed it. But after
| reinstalling multiple kernels and much twiddling, I
| bailed. Otherwise, a wonderful processor.
| dizhn wrote:
| I kind of sort of remember reading up on a throttling bug
| on a laptop that was said to behave like that. I think it
| was the GPU though.
| dizhn wrote:
| I didn't know that. That really cool. I didn't get to
| experience it because I am quite a happy customer. (Knock
| on wood and don't publicly cross them huh)
|
| What was up with the Altra? I have a free instance (4
| cores) on oracle cloud. Seems really capable.
| EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK wrote:
| I also had no problems with Hetzner's 16-core ARM cloud
| instances. Maybe just a faulty server.
| EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK wrote:
| I think the return window is 14 days, not the whole month. And
| I also think they will block you if you do it repeatedly.
| lucw wrote:
| Same here, I initially got an Epyc 1st generation server with
| 256gb and was happy for a while, until I figured out single
| core performance was important for my workflows (web
| development). Then I got a a 7950x3d and i'm now super happy.
| nielsole wrote:
| They used to require sending a copy of an ID card as proof that
| you are who you say you are. I guess gdpr put an end to that.
| perihelions wrote:
| They asked to 3d-scan my face and harvest my identifying
| biometrics. So I closed my account and walked away.
|
| If anyone's curious, this is the product Hetzner were using
| at the time:
|
| https://www.idenfy.com/identity-verification-service/
| jamal-kumar wrote:
| That's wild considering I'm 100% sure their resellers
| aren't doing this
| fs111 wrote:
| why would the GDPR end that? This is still a legitimate ask
| and they can do that legally.
| jamal-kumar wrote:
| Essentially because of data retention of someone's identity
| card being inherent in such a system
| dist-epoch wrote:
| But they don't need to retain the data, they only need to
| set a flag on your account "identity was validated".
| KronisLV wrote:
| > They used to require sending a copy of an ID card as proof
| that you are who you say you are. I guess gdpr put an end to
| that.
|
| That was the case for me when I registered with Hetzner,
| though that was a few years ago. Then again, I registered for
| Contabo this month and still had to send my ID and something
| to prove my address. Their justification was that they're
| required by law to verify that data (KYC or something), so I
| guess they have to process that data even with GDPR being a
| thing.
| brnt wrote:
| > Kind of crazy and insanely trusting.
|
| The reverse is always surprising to me: as if blocking a credit
| card constitutes the ending of a contract.
|
| In Europe, a contract isn't entered or broken by making or
| blocking payment. Companies will very succesfully have their
| contracts enforced, with any extra costs billed to you. Apart
| from leaving the country, you're not going to get away with
| non-payment.
| Nextgrid wrote:
| That's technically the case in most countries, just that
| enforcing those contracts has a cost.
|
| Blocking the credit card is banking on the company not
| bothering to follow up, or (in case of company misbehavior),
| forcing them to show up in court and air their dirty laundry
| in front of the judge.
| brnt wrote:
| Maybe another difference is that some/many European
| countries people just don't not pay bills. I once heard it
| said about the Netherlands as being attractive to do
| business.
| mardifoufs wrote:
| That's not true in France, Spain, Portugal, Italy, and
| tons of other euro countries. Not familiar with the
| Netherlands though.
| rewmie wrote:
| > Maybe another difference is that some/many European
| countries people just don't not pay bills.
|
| That's the first time I ever heard of such thing, and
| I've lived in a few European countries. Some European
| countries even standardized service payments on direct
| debit, which worst case scenario leaves a bank holding
| the bag for the debt.
| SoftTalker wrote:
| > forcing them to show up in court and air their dirty
| laundry in front of the judge
|
| And showing up in court has costs, which are not guaranteed
| to be covered in any award/payment order, and even if you
| win there is still the matter of actually collecting. If
| it's all a matter of a few hundred dollars, most businesses
| will just write it off.
| berkle4455 wrote:
| > Companies will very successfully have their contracts
| enforced
|
| Hetzner turned off all access to my paid server due to a
| false-positive on their netscan/DDOS (literally it was
| tailscaled doing a netcheck) protection and equally
| incompetent technical support staff.
|
| Can I sue them for breach of contract and subsequent damages?
| I moved all my hosting off Hetzner as a result, but I'm still
| very disappointed in their actions.
| leni536 wrote:
| While I didn't read the contract, I'm halfway sure that it
| says that they can terminate the contract for any reason.
| berkle4455 wrote:
| They didn't terminate my contract though, they just
| nullrouted my server. They even had the audacity at the
| end of the month to send me a bill.
| leni536 wrote:
| Ah, that's shitty. I guess in theory you could demand a
| refund or file a chargeback for an amount based on the
| services they didn't contractually provide. As you ceased
| doing business with them I don't think there would have
| been any drawback to this. IANAL
| cortesoft wrote:
| > Apart from leaving the country, you're not going to get
| away with non-payment.
|
| Sure, but they are making these contracts with people not in
| the country in the first place
| unfunco wrote:
| It's the same with AWS and GCP and Digital Ocean isn't it? An
| active card check is performed but that's about it, you PAYG
| and get billed at the end of the month.
| quickthrower2 wrote:
| Digital Ocean seem to do this too. At least at my tiny spend
| level.
| petecooper wrote:
| In my experience, some of the DigitalOcean lower end tiers
| have older Xeon chips that just feel slower. One of the first
| things I do is run `yabs` on a new droplet to see exactly
| where I'm at:
|
| https://github.com/masonr/yet-another-bench-script
| huijzer wrote:
| Yes, good tip! I once searched for a super cheap VPS and
| found one, but found out the hard way that the single core
| performance was terrible; 3 times as slow as Hetzner.
| fer wrote:
| It was like this for me for years until a month I got double
| invoice and now it's seemingly paid in advance. It might depend
| on the pricing bracket (I jumped from a 40EUR dedicated to
| 180EUR with extra hardware around that time, too).
| justinclift wrote:
| > adding additional IPv4s is very cheap
|
| How do you feel the pricing with Hetzner compares to others?
|
| https://docs.hetzner.com/general/others/ipv4-pricing/
| m00dy wrote:
| EX101 package is a bit high-end for running those server you
| mentioned.
| wiredfool wrote:
| Their special deals are generally better than the Auction,
| depending on what they're offering at the time.
|
| I've got a couple AX101s with 4TB drives at around the price
| for the current AX102s that only have 2tb drives.
| [deleted]
| ezequiel-garzon wrote:
| After paying Vultr way too much for my personal toy OpenBSD
| hosting, let me share my host TinyKVM [1] as a happy customer.
| Obviously look at the terms, they clearly recommend not using it
| for any critical purposes. It's a service offered by RAM Host
| [2], based in Dallas.
|
| A bit out of the blue, I'll say that I'm also a happy customer of
| MXroute [3], which are also in Texas. I like these folk's no-
| nonsense approach. I can only think of SpongeBob's friend Sandy,
| and the experience have reinforced this stereotype :) No
| affiliation, I'm sorry for this regional digression, have never
| been to Texas unfortunately, but good job, guys!
|
| [1] https://tinykvm.com
|
| [2] https://ramhost.us
|
| [3] https://mxroute.com
| rmoriz wrote:
| I wish Hetzner/Hetzner Cloud would support "bring your own IPs"
| (BYOIP) as other cloud providers already do.
| xinayder wrote:
| They have ARM servers for as low as 3.79/mo with 2 vCPUs and 4 GB
| RAM. And as of September 19 they are available in Nuremberg and
| Finland as well, not just Falkenstein.
| patrakov wrote:
| So, somebody succeeded running OpenBSD/ARM64 in someone else's
| stock pre-configured VM. Great!
|
| But what about some bigger targets - e.g. running OpenBSD ARM64
| on a stock bare-metal server provided by some dedicated hosting
| company, not necessarily Hetzner?
| infofarmer wrote:
| Happily running FreeBSD 13 on Hetzner CAX11 since April [1] [2]
|
| Great to see OpenBSD is now available as well!
|
| [1] https://twitter.com/pandrewhk/status/1649020655558336514
|
| [2]
| https://gist.github.com/pandrewhk/2d62664bfb74a504b7f4a894fc...
| petecooper wrote:
| Thanks very much for the pointer to [2], that's just saved me a
| heap of time and effort!
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