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Show HN: I'm building a tool to practice numbers in Arabic
Recently moved to Egypt, and in dire need to get the numbers down.
Great excuse to explore learning software some more. Possibly very
niche, but maybe it is useful for someone else out there. Feedback
is always welcome.
Author : blackbrokkoli
Score : 34 points
Date : 2023-09-19 19:38 UTC (3 hours ago)
(HTM) web link (arabic-numbers.koljapluemer.com)
(TXT) w3m dump (arabic-numbers.koljapluemer.com)
| dylan604 wrote:
| Is there a term/phrase similar to Japanese Kanji/Romanji
| referring to the use of Latin script for the Arabic word? When it
| gets to a card pairing the latin script with the Arabic, I was
| totally guessing until getting enough to start making the
| association in my head. I'm guessing starting from blank sheet of
| paper to using this as learning Arabic numbers isn't the intended
| use case, however, I now know 0, 1, 2, and 5 in written Arabic!
| omneity wrote:
| Not everybody uses these terms, but the closest you'll find is
| Romanized Arabic, or Arabizi.
|
| And congrats on your progress!
| bilalq wrote:
| Pretty intuitive. I love the idea behind nudging towards the
| answer while making the user actually select it themselves.
| lr0 wrote:
| It's pretty cool. Maybe it will be a little better if there was
| an option to exclude pronunciation questions, for those who are
| only interested in learning the meanings. welcome to egypt!
| blackbrokkoli wrote:
| Thanks! That's a good idea, I'm putting it on the list.
| penteract wrote:
| A bit of a tangent, but could someone tell me if I'm wrong about
| the following: Arabic being read right to left while digit
| significance increases right to left means they use little-endian
| (although it looks like they say numbers in a middle-endian
| fashion like in German). This means users of left to right
| scripts made a mistake by not reversing the digits when copying
| the system.
|
| What I can't find quickly is whether the Indian system where this
| originated wrote numbers in a big-endian or little-endian
| fashion. As far as I can tell, Indian languages are mostly
| written left to right, so should the first people to use the
| system with a right to left script have reversed the direction of
| digits?
| [deleted]
| jheriko wrote:
| too much clicking, but also, not many lessons there really.
|
| i'm really greatful that after learning numbers existed in any
| other language i spent the time as a toddler learning tons of
| them.
|
| these transliterations suck as well... at least in my arabic it
| is e/th/neen and /th/ele/th/a
| slim wrote:
| Those are Eastern numerals
| https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Arabic_numerals
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| not to confuse with Arabic numerals which are the numerals most
| of world uses : 0123456789
| jheriko wrote:
| indian numerals you mean?
|
| smart ass... ;)
| [deleted]
| catlover76 wrote:
| Pretty cool! Took me a bit of time though to understand what I
| was supposed to do.
|
| Also a tad annoyed by the fact that it's not in MSA haha
| blackbrokkoli wrote:
| That's good feedback, thank you!
|
| Sorry about the dialect, personal circumstance haha
|
| Actually, I may introduce a toggle for MSA/different dialects.
| Can't promise, but check back in a day ;)
| imstil3earning wrote:
| The questions seem to repeat a lot but otherwise very well done!
| Condition1952 wrote:
| Progress is more consistent if you keep your flashcards in the
| target language, according to the book "Fluent forever".
|
| The other day, fidgeting with the mobile phone, I set the lock
| screen's watch to eastern numerals, it worked wonders. Not for
| pronunciation, nor naming them. For that, your app is great
| SnooSux wrote:
| I'm personally not a fan of the highlight after a few seconds. I
| would prefer an option to change the timing or remove it
| completely.
| elashri wrote:
| Looks great.
|
| I just have a question. Why do you call it "itneen" instead of
| "Etneen" or more formally "Ethnayn"?
|
| I understand that you're probably leaning toward using Egyptian
| Arabic (I am Egyptian by the way) because it is the easiest
| dialect, but to be honest I myself got confused for two seconds.
|
| Edit: I went through more questions, and you're definitely using
| Egyptian Arabic, not formal Arabic.
| blackbrokkoli wrote:
| Yes, you are right, and that should probably be clarified.
| whogivesa wrote:
| [flagged]
| pedalpete wrote:
| My initial reaction before seeing the site was "but the numbers
| we use are arabic", of course, I realized you were trying to link
| number to spoken language.
|
| Are arabic numbers harder to speak than any other language?
| Numbers seem to be the first thing to learn, and are rather
| simple, or is there a reason in Arabic that they are difficult,
| or more needed than in other languages?
| [deleted]
| tomsato wrote:
| Tangentially, I recently wrote code to support Arabic ordinal
| suffixes and was frustrated to learn that, despite a unicode
| standard specifically for Arabic, it is more acceptable to use
| the English language rules.
| redbell wrote:
| Good work so far!
|
| Here's my feedback after trying it out: Pressing
| "Next" is just an additional, non-necessary step. Picking an
| answer should be enough to move to the next question, introducing
| a short delay might enhance the UX. You are having
| some numbers misspelled, include, but might not be limited to,
| "tnyn/etneen" which should read "thnn/ethnan" instead,
| "tlt@"-->"thlth@", and "thmny@"<-- "tmny@"
| gie46ydkl wrote:
| +1, I was confused by these misspellings as well. Otherwise
| awesome work.
| SalimoS wrote:
| Except you're using Indian numbers (that are used in Middle
| Eastern countries ) (Arabic numbers : 0123456789 Indian numbers :
| 0123456789)
| showerst wrote:
| Maybe not useful for you, but I'd rather see the number names
| written out in Arabic rather than transliterated. IE Sfr rather
| than sifr.
| blackbrokkoli wrote:
| Thank you for the feedback! Exercises including the actual
| script as answer or prompt should show up after a while - it's
| a balancing act between people who prefer actual Arabic and
| people being overwhelmed by it (:
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