[HN Gopher] Yash: Yet another short hand
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Yash: Yet another short hand
Author : behnamoh
Score : 30 points
Date : 2023-09-19 15:28 UTC (7 hours ago)
(HTM) web link (opsahl.github.io)
(TXT) w3m dump (opsahl.github.io)
| paularmstrong wrote:
| I don't understand the fascination with these shorthands. Maybe
| helpful if you do a _lot_ of writing with a pen & paper, but if
| not, it would be more beneficial to practice more and get faster
| with touch typing or a chording keyboard.
| sublinear wrote:
| These things are not mutually exclusive.
| nrr wrote:
| The last time I had jury duty, I took a complete transcription
| of the trial proceedings with Gregg because of a general
| prohibition on computers in the courtroom.
|
| I also get a fair amount of utility out of it for math lectures
| because, frankly, while I'm pretty fluent with TeX, I can reach
| 220 words/min and transcribe equations much more easily if I
| just use pencil and paper.
| teeray wrote:
| Do you have any recommendations on learning Gregg?
| nrr wrote:
| Not really. My mother still had her materials from school
| (and could still read it), and I drilled the alphabet a
| lot.
|
| I think the biggest benefit is had by giving someone else
| your steno outlines and having them pinpoint where your
| strokes need work.
| TacticalCoder wrote:
| > sm cwhx szms atmw tis lrnx b usq krkws frm y ltn lfbt. sc nn-
| zngrfk szms hv ofn bn dskrbd s lfbtk, x przs mat klam yt sc szms
| rx tru cwhx. hvvr ys lfbtk szms dhv vlu f stdxs vo kx ddkt y irs
| nssri tmzr a stngrfk cwhx. lfbtk cthxs kx b rtn at y spds yretkli
| psbl vy smbl szms 200 ws pr mx r mr bt rkvr nl a frkc fytm t akvr
| a usfl spid f btvn 60 ws pr mx
|
| That's not the correct transcoding. The end is missing "and 100":
| I take it the end needs to be "60 x 100 ws pr mx".
| mkagenius wrote:
| I couldn't help but notice that "opsahl" is upside-down reverse
| of "I yash o" .. probably a coincidence
| sudobash1 wrote:
| This strongly reminds me of a bit of humor attributed (perhaps
| erroneously) to Mark Twain.
|
| ---
|
| For example, in Year 1 that useless letter "c" would be dropped
| to be replased either by "k" or "s", and likewise "x" would no
| longer be part of the alphabet.
|
| The only kase in which "c" would be retained would be the "ch"
| formation, which will be dealt with later.
|
| Year 2 might reform "w" spelling, so that "which" and "one" would
| take the same konsonant, wile Year 3 might well abolish "y"
| replasing it with "i" and iear 4 might fiks the "g/j" anomali
| wonse and for all.
|
| Jenerally, then, the improvement would kontinue iear bai iear
| with iear 5 doing awai with useless double konsonants, and iears
| 6-12 or so modifaiing vowlz and the rimeining voist and unvoist
| konsonants.
|
| Bai iear 15 or sou, it wud fainali bi posibl tu meik ius ov thi
| ridandant letez "c", "y" and "x" -- bai now jast a memori in the
| maindz ov ould doderez -- tu riplais "ch", "sh", and "th"
| rispektivli.
|
| Fainali, xen, aafte sam 20 iers ov orxogrefkl riform, wi wud hev
| a lojikl, kohirnt speling in ius xrewawt xe Ingliy-spiking werld.
| avgcorrection wrote:
| I would take absolutely any phonetic spelling of English over
| the current spelling of English.
| imglorp wrote:
| Bernard Shaw famously supported spelling reform, first merely
| reworking the standard orthography and later, in the form of
| the phonetic alphabets Shavian and later Quikscript by
| Kingsley Read. They're both obviously more consistent than
| Latin alphabet writing, and also often shorter so they might
| count as shorthand.
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shavian_alphabet
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quikscript
| cpfohl wrote:
| Whose phonology? English is a delightfully diverse language,
| spoken by delightfully diverse people!
| avgcorrection wrote:
| That's why I said _any!_ Australian, Anglo-Sikh, doesn 't
| matter to me.
| aidenn0 wrote:
| Indeed; I'm a rhotic speaker but would even take a non-rhotic
| phonetic spelling over what we have today (things like
| cot/cart being spelled the same couldn't be more confusing
| that the current orthography)
| pm215 wrote:
| If you go for the Southern English accent as the base for
| your non-rhotic phonetic spelling you don't even have to
| sacrifice distinguishing cot and cart -- they're different
| vowels because we don't have the father/bother merger :-)
| aidenn0 wrote:
| Oh, I forgot about the father/bother merger because it is
| darn-near universal in the US. My mom is from one of the
| few places in the US that was non-rhotic and had avoided
| the caught-cot merger[1], thus resulting in "caught" and
| "cot" not being homophones, but "cot" and "cart" being
| homophones.
|
| 1: Past-tense because many kids seem to speak much closer
| to middle-american than even 20 years ago.
| dang wrote:
| As HN user D-Coder pointed out a few years ago, that joke
| wasn't Twain but an author in the September 1946 issue of
| Astounding Science Fiction:
|
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12108263
|
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23587507
|
| More links at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26468884.
| [deleted]
| sudobash1 wrote:
| Thanks dang. I've always been pretty suspicious of the
| attribution to Twain. Nice to know where it actually came
| from.
| behnamoh wrote:
| It'd be interesting to see if these shorthands reduce the time it
| takes to _prompt_ LLMs. So instead of writing a long paragraph,
| you send the same content in a couple lines.
| crooked-v wrote:
| It's possible to do that with ChatGPT 4, though it's not always
| consistent. You can even tell it to produce a compressed
| version of input text that it will understand and it usually
| works.
| xkcd-sucks wrote:
| , in which the author re-invents the Welsh language.
| bagful wrote:
| This system is quite similar to Briefhand, an alphabetic
| shorthand letter-omission at its core and augmented with
| abbreviations for common words. With practice, the core rules
| alone are enough to write at speaking-pace.
|
| Over time you develop a personal set of abbreviations. My
| shorthand is a personal language. Probably anyone could decode my
| notes back to English with some effort, but my notes are more
| than text, they're a mnemonic device: sometimes I only need but a
| glance to recall my mental formations at the time I was writing.
| 4726155 wrote:
| Also worth checking out:
|
| Evans Basic English Code (uses English letters):
|
| https://archive.org/details/evansbasicenglis00evan
|
| Orthic (an alphabetic shorthand which replaces letters with more
| efficient characters):
|
| https://orthic.shorthand.fun/
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