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Wireless electrical-molecular quantum signalling for cancer cell
apoptosis
Author : Jason_Protell
Score : 58 points
Date : 2023-09-16 15:06 UTC (7 hours ago)
(HTM) web link (www.nature.com)
(TXT) w3m dump (www.nature.com)
| mnemotronic wrote:
| This, if true, is fascinating and more than a little scary.
|
| I'm imagining a situation where someone can somehow send the
| apoptosis signal to every cell in my body.
| amts wrote:
| You can connect a ~3-10V battery to yourself, which may
| increase an electrostatic field and deflect the incoming
| signal.
| what-no-tests wrote:
| Sounds very Kabbalistic.
| tomohelix wrote:
| The fun thing about biology is that if there can be something
| built by a true omniscient creator, then biology is the closest
| thing to it. All of reality and all of physics is used. It is
| simply what works no matter how arcane or difficult to understand
| the concept and mechanisms behind it is. Like all engineering
| projects there are still physical constrains of course but there
| is no limit on the technology allowed. There is simply no
| "cutting edge knowledge" or "unexplored science" to evolution.
| Literally everything can be applied within the physical
| constraints of a carbon-based lifeform
| glenstein wrote:
| The way I like to think of it is that life, most broadly and
| abstractly conceived, falls like water through the space of
| possibilities afforded by nature, and there is no limit to how
| complex that "shape" can be (where "shape" is something in a
| space of possible combinations of forms, mechanisms, tools that
| are simultaneously used by one organism, a search space of
| possible combinations rather than a literal shape).
|
| And whatever "intelligence" it would take to consciously think
| from first principles to those kinds of shapes, well, there's
| no upper limit to the possible sophistication that might be
| required to manually get there. But nature gets there blindly,
| and uses every possible thing.
| amts wrote:
| It is recursively ingrained into the current spacetime data
| structure itself [1]. So no wonder.
|
| [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCSSgxV9qNw Why Is 1/137
| One of the Greatest Unsolved Problems In Physics?
| moonchrome wrote:
| > Like all engineering projects there are still physical
| constrains of course but there is no limit on the technology
| allowed
|
| Except having to work from a legacy codebase via incremental
| changes. No way for evolution to explore silicon based life
| when it kicked off with carbon.
| flir wrote:
| > No way for evolution to explore silicon based life when it
| kicked off with carbon.
|
| Oh, I don't know. Isn't that what we're for?
| [deleted]
| kens wrote:
| This is in Nature Nanotechnology,not Nature, by the way, which is
| not clear from the domain.
| aydyn wrote:
| Additionally, 5-year impact factor of 39.9 so still very, very
| respectable.
| Jason_Protell wrote:
| Abstract
|
| Quantum biological tunnelling for electron transfer is involved
| in controlling essential functions for life such as cellular
| respiration and homoeostasis. Understanding and controlling the
| quantum effects in biology has the potential to modulate
| biological functions. Here we merge wireless nano-electrochemical
| tools with cancer cells for control over electron transfer to
| trigger cancer cell death. Gold bipolar nanoelectrodes
| functionalized with redox-active cytochrome c and a redox
| mediator zinc porphyrin are developed as electric-field-
| stimulating bio-actuators, termed bio-nanoantennae. We show that
| a remote electrical input regulates electron transport between
| these redox molecules, which results in quantum biological
| tunnelling for electron transfer to trigger apoptosis in patient-
| derived cancer cells in a selective manner. Transcriptomics data
| show that the electric-field-induced bio-nanoantenna targets the
| cancer cells in a unique manner, representing electrically
| induced control of molecular signalling. The work shows the
| potential of quantum-based medical diagnostics and treatments.
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| dbcurtis wrote:
| The key part here is that they observe it being selective to
| cancer cells. That could be huge. But I imagine this on the
| bench, not a animal trial, so not much exploration of side
| effects yet
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