[HN Gopher] Macron wants social networks to detect and stop VPN ...
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Macron wants social networks to detect and stop VPN users
Author : Raed667
Score : 31 points
Date : 2023-09-15 18:27 UTC (4 hours ago)
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| Raed667 wrote:
| Article (French) https://pastes.io/kpdm5ymini
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| Article (English - Google Translate) https://pastes.io/r9zrxwnay1
| sunshine-o wrote:
| Next step is to detect or forbid the use of a set of VPN
| providers at the ISP level. They already did it in 2009 for P2P
| file exchanges [0]
|
| Anyway, the web is getting more and more restricted if you use a
| VPN and it is accelerating.
|
| For example you just can't anymore:
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| - see the price of a product on Amazon,
|
| - download most podcasts,
|
| - or surprisingly, access https://forums.freebsd.org/
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| [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HADOPI_law
| KomoD wrote:
| I just did all those without a single issue
| sunshine-o wrote:
| Depends on your VPN provider. Also on Amazon you will see the
| prices if you are logged in.
| KomoD wrote:
| I tried both Mullvad and Google's VPN. I wasn't logged in
| aatd86 wrote:
| That can't work. However X and Meta seem to be rolling down ways
| to authenticate people.
|
| Instead of banning VPNs, they should find ways for people to
| identify themselves if they want to.
|
| It's not because someone is behind a VPN that they should
| automatically be considered a pariah of the net. There are plenty
| legitimate reasons to stay behind a VPN.
|
| That smells a bit autoritarian.
| TacticalCoder wrote:
| > That smells a bit autoritarian.
|
| I'm from the EU and nearly the entire EU stinks like a softer
| version of the USSR (I'll agree though that France is one of
| the worst country to live in in the EU though: and I know it
| very well... My kid has been schooled in France for about 18
| months but we did GTFO of that country).
| sgu999 wrote:
| > That smells a bit autoritarian.
|
| That's very much in character for him...
| ChrisArchitect wrote:
| Know this is early news but there's no english/other decent
| source for this report? Not seeing anyone writing about it
| Raed667 wrote:
| The only other place i have seen this being discussed is the
| french sub-reddit
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| https://old.reddit.com/r/france/comments/16jjgzo
| Avlin67 wrote:
| ok, but how ?
| lcnPylGDnU4H9OF wrote:
| A given VPN provider will have some list of IP addresses from
| which traffic will exit. The detection would be an IP banlist
| and stopping would be refusal to serve requests.
| chaxor wrote:
| Pretty much every company, and many homes run vpns. I guess
| those should also be added to the list.
| lcnPylGDnU4H9OF wrote:
| I get the point but the reason a government will want to
| ban VPNs is that the VPN will provide some level of
| anonymity. A corporate VPN plausibly might run afoul of
| that want but a home VPN will pretty accurately identify at
| least the home from which a request was made. I'm sure
| that's sufficiently identifiable.
|
| "VPN users" is a phrase which generally refers to "users of
| VPN services" and not "people who manage their home
| network".
| thefurdrake wrote:
| They're probably going to be banning consistent connections
| coming from datacenter IPs. That was the impression I got
| from how other entities have handled this.
|
| Once you rule out VPN usage, there are (probably?) very few
| reasons a post on TPFKAT should come from anything other
| than a residential or mobile device IP.
| Raed667 wrote:
| https://www.assemblee-nationale.fr/dyn/16/amendements/1514/E...
| Dig1t wrote:
| "The people mentioned in paragraph 2 are required to put in
| place detection mechanisms to identify connections from a
| virtual private network used by users of their platform.
|
| In the event of detection of a connection from a virtual
| private network, the people mentioned in 2 must block the user
| concerned from the opportunity to publish, comment or interact
| on the platform."
|
| later:
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| "These two articles have constitutional value and freedom of
| expression is a fundamental freedom. Nevertheless, this freedom
| still has limits"
| phero_cnstrcts wrote:
| You can say what you want as long as they agree with it.
| Kretinsky wrote:
| France is becoming less and less democratic, and more akin to an
| authoritarian regime, similar to what you would see in Singapore
| or Russia.
|
| France was already on the top of the list for the countries
| banning content on Twitter[0], it recently passed a law allowing
| to use smartphone backdoors to spy on everyone (including
| lawyers).
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| A particularly infuriating evolution is the current push to
| require citizens to ask the permission to organize protests, and
| prosecute those who do not comply. For the record, this is
| textbook what Putin does to harass political opponents.
|
| So currently, state-affiliated media will often talk about an
| "illegal protest", while everyone should know that protesting is
| free and doesn't require any permission. Actually, an
| authoritarian party coming to power today would have to change
| very little things to assert a full grip on the French society.
|
| [0]:https://www.fastcompany.com/4032890/turkey-and-france-top-
| th...
| jofla_net wrote:
| This too, I recalled recently...
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| https://blog.mozilla.org/netpolicy/2023/06/26/france-browser...
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