[HN Gopher] iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Plus
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iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Plus
Author : mikece
Score : 461 points
Date : 2023-09-12 18:23 UTC (4 hours ago)
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| nb_key wrote:
| Zero innovation, miss the Steve Job's days when people were
| shocked by Apple products. I believe their M chips their most
| innovative thing in a long time.
| ChicagoBoy11 wrote:
| I'd have to concur... like at a time where I thought the
| diminishing marginal returns for CPUs on computers had really
| kicked in (like, there's only so much speed I need for web
| browsing), the M1s came along and made me go "holy shit", even
| while still, in fact, web browsing.
| beisner wrote:
| Annoying that it's not Thunderbolt 4...
| branon wrote:
| If they do an iPhone SE with USB-C, I'll switch to it from
| Android. Screenshot this.
| sva_ wrote:
| So I guess thats a naw for stacked battery tech. Wonder if the
| S24 will feature it.
| SpacePortKnight wrote:
| iPhone 15 looks better than 15 Pro. I wish the base 15 had a
| higher refresh rate.
| [deleted]
| beebmam wrote:
| I despise Apple products and I despise Google products, for very
| different reasons. Can't we get an alternative? Bring back the
| Windows phone! Or a Blackberry!
| gpt5 wrote:
| Unfortunately, you can't launch a phone without an app store,
| and there are only two options. Hooray to network effects.
| ponkipo wrote:
| I still remember my Lumia 820 with warm feelings, Windows Phone
| was such a nice OS...
| snazz wrote:
| I had a Lumia 830 until the bitter end (of security updates--
| 2019 I think) and I agree it was really nice to have a third
| competitor. But I also got it back out of the drawer the
| other day and was reminded of how buggy it was, especially
| after the upgrade to Windows 10 Mobile (on my phone I had a
| nasty memory leak that made the browser unusable after going
| a few days without rebooting, and an issue where photos you
| just took would get deleted if you viewed them immediately
| after pressing the shutter without waiting a few seconds). I
| also think you can't print with it, at least not without a
| third-party app, so AirPrint on the iPhone was very nice for
| me.
|
| Definitely ahead of its time in certain UI concepts,
| definitely didn't get the attention it deserved to iron out
| some big defects!
| blitz_skull wrote:
| "The most 'pro' iPhone we've ever created"
|
| Did they uh... even listen to this?
| bombcar wrote:
| Honestly for me the best part is the USB-C.
|
| Every year it's a new camera, new whatever, but USB-C is going to
| mean I can get rid of all these lightning cables.
|
| Not increasing the price is nice, I guess. Will have to buy more
| USB-C cables, though. (Technically the low highest end phone is
| higher, but higher spec, too).
|
| _It comes with one USB-C to USB-C charging cable_ - not sure if
| it is a data cable, also.
|
| Pre-order Friday, delivery 22 Sept. Probably going to move on it
| just to get that USB-C, need to see what carrier deals I can
| find.
| pzo wrote:
| Do yourself a favour and just buy a magnetic adapter + cable
| such as Baseus magnetic zinc [1]
|
| You will:
|
| - save money to buy new phone (cable costs just ~10$)
|
| - it's magnetic so even more convenient to use
|
| - magnetic adapter protects connector from dust getting inside
| or getting broken
|
| - you use the same cable with adapters for usb-c, lightning and
| micro-usb to charge different gadgets (even older airpods pro)
|
| - at least baseus cable supports both fast charging (20W) and
| data transfer (usb 2.0)
|
| If cable brakes (at it did brake for me after ~1 year of use)
| you just buy new one for 10$ instead of new phone for 1000$.
| Keeping old phone is the most environmentally friendly option.
|
| non-pro iphone 15 usb-c is still just 2.0 speed and most likely
| doesn't support usb-otg
|
| [1] https://www.amazon.in/Baseus-Magnetic-Multipurpose-
| Retractab...
| yellow_postit wrote:
| This is just buying into yet another new standard which seems
| ultimately wasteful.
|
| I'm glad it works for you but I personally am glad we're
| trending towards usb-c, at least for the next couple of
| years, across most devices.
| pzo wrote:
| I'm still glad they are moving to usb-c but not going to
| clap my hands to Apple for that - but will clap EU for
| that. (will clap even more if EU with clab Apple with
| baseball bat with new battery repair law).
|
| However if still someone consider buying this new iphone
| only for usb-c it's a good alternative to keep old phone
| and save money (since there was almost no innovation since
| iPhone X especially in non-pro models).
| Klugistiono wrote:
| Doesn't really matter. I would even argue that its more
| environmentally friendly to switch expensive phones more
| often.
|
| (of course just a thought but!)
|
| IF people can buy a cheap phone or an expensive but older
| phone, the older phone still works often better than a new
| cheap phone. So when he 'upgrades' the old phone gets reused
| and saves one cheap phone.
| Al-Khwarizmi wrote:
| So the idea is that you leave the adapter plugged to the
| phone port at all times and then use the magnetic cable. You
| need one adapter per device, right?
|
| (Sorry if questions are naive, I've never seen one of those).
| pzo wrote:
| That's correct - I keep adapter plugged all the time (they
| are very slim) to my iphone 13 mini (but worked great even
| with my iphone xs) and another to airpods pro, micro-usb to
| my logitech mouse, and usb-c to my vape and android phone
| (I'm mobile dev). I just bought 2x such cables so that I
| have 2x lightning adapters and bought few to my family as
| gift so it's easy to share.
| kmarc wrote:
| Yes. I am using such adapter for many years now, every
| single device of mine are charged with the same cables.
| Headphones, keyboard, mouse, phones, portable speakers,
| iPad, android, simply everything. Quite convenient!
| deely3 wrote:
| Hi, how long did you use it? I bought some knock-off version
| of magnetic adapter and it broke in a few weeks of active
| use, so I very curious about your expirience with it.
| pzo wrote:
| I have been using it for around 1.5 years. I'm iOS dev and
| nomad so I use it intensively every day. Definitely more
| often than typical user that plugs just 1-2 times a day -
| since I just don't like wireless Xcode debugging
| hbn wrote:
| I believe magsafe charges slower than the port, and I've also
| heard concerning things about the long term effects wireless
| charging has on battery health.
| Bluecobra wrote:
| I'm sure there is plenty of anecdotal evidence out there
| that goes either way on this. I have an iPhone 11 Pro Max
| that's almost 4 years now that I wirelessly change every
| night and the battery health is 83%. I think that's pretty
| good for a device I constantly use every day. I'm still on
| the fence on getting a battery replacement from Apple while
| I still can, as this phone is still perfectly fine for my
| needs.
| paint wrote:
| I'm in the same boat except that i bought one used.
| Battery health was also at 83% when i bought it, don't
| know what its now but lasting a full day so i dont care.
|
| What do you mean "while you still can"? Will they
| discontinue battery replacements for the 11 at some
| point? At 80EUR its a no brainer once the battery does
| start to deteriorate more
| paint wrote:
| Its fine for everybody's needs - unless youre shooting
| weddings or movies or something no one needs to spend
| 800+ USD on latest iphone, they can just buy one from a
| few gens back for less than half of that
| Smoosh wrote:
| I have similar anecdata. My iPhone X still has 88%
| battery capacity. It still easily lasts a full day of
| light/intermittent use and gets charged each night on a
| wireless charger. The battery life is now noticeably
| shorter in cold weather.
| pzo wrote:
| magsafe (the one apple call in iphone) is wireless charging
| and yeah it charges slower. But this magnetic charging with
| adapter is still wired connection and fast charges (20W) so
| it's faster and probably safer for battery. This more
| behaves as magsafe macbook connector (which is wired).
| jug wrote:
| I'm too scared of these slow and long charging things
| wrecking my battery life over two years of consistent use.
| dieortin wrote:
| If anything, slow charging is better for the battery.
| arjvik wrote:
| I loved my magnetic adapters, got them off of amazon for
| quite cheap. The same "brand" didn't produce tips that fit
| lighting AND usb-c, but by carefully looking at the product
| images I found two "brands" that seemingly used the same
| design and had compatible tips.
|
| The problem was, though, that the magnets were too weak -
| they would constantly disconnect
| ThrowawayR2 wrote:
| I've tried similar devices and they're only good for
| charging. Try to push any data through it and there will be
| all sorts of slowdown and erratic data transfer issues.
| pzo wrote:
| I'm iOS dev - I use such cable for data transfer
| (programming via Xcode) every day. Also no problem with
| syncing images with photos.app. Also no problem with fast
| charging - I recommend some well known brands.
|
| But if you need usb 3.0 speed then you will need new iphone
| 15 _pro_
| chickenpotpie wrote:
| Do not use those cables under any circumstances. They're not
| safe. The USB spec is not designed to accommodate chargers
| like that and they're a fire/device ruining hazard. Get a
| good usb-c cable from a reputable manufacturer.
|
| Hackernews comment that put it better than me.
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35436727
| vorpalhex wrote:
| I've had (a different brand) of magnetic adapter break
| devices (it wasn't a cheap one either, it was the most
| expensive and highest rated at the time).
|
| Something about the USB circuitry doesn't like how the
| magnetic adapters partially connect sometimes. I don't
| pretend to understand the failure mode but I have a very
| funky Valve Index controller now.
| meesles wrote:
| I wouldn't recommend this.
|
| I bought into the 'Volta' ecosystem and the adapters started
| degrading within 6 months. I would only trust a product from
| a major electronics producer, not these random brands on
| Amazon. If none of the big players have this as a product, it
| smells of a reason why it isn't a thing. Otherwise, I really
| wanted it to be. I hate the damage plugging cables in and out
| of devices does to the phone's power sockets over time.
| amarshall wrote:
| > If cable brakes [sic]...you just buy new one for 10$
| instead of new phone for 1000$
|
| Who is buying a whole new device if the cable breaks?? One
| still just buys a new cable...
| pzo wrote:
| I mean if connector brakes inside your phone - I had 2
| iphones that was hard to charge even after cleaning the
| port. The idea is that you keep adapter inside the phone
| all the time so iphone female connector doesn't brake
| because of constantly plugging in and out charging cable.
| Spivak wrote:
| Android pre USC-C had this problem bad since there was
| that little piece of metal in the middle of the port that
| had to make contact and it always got bent.
| astrange wrote:
| USB-C is less prone to this because the part that breaks
| is inside the cable now.
| crimsontech wrote:
| No it's in the phone now, unlike how it was with
| lightning cables.
|
| You could stick a toothpick inside a lightning port on a
| phone to remove pocket lint, you can't do this with USB-C
| without a higher risk of damaging the phone.
|
| USB-C on the phone side has a protrusion that slots
| inside the cable end the same as previous usb cables.
| This is the fragile part, but it's still a big
| improvement over micro usb.
| stevenwoo wrote:
| Before wireless charging/data xfer/debugging one had to
| physically plug the phones in for development in addition
| to wear and tear from charging so I've worn out the micro
| usb ports on many android devices.
| xen2xen1 wrote:
| I'm another voice for the "charging ports break all the
| time" brigade. I've replaced enough myself I'll look into
| this for me and my family.
| m-p-3 wrote:
| You could also go the MagSafe/ Qi2 way, which is safer
| and officially supported.
| astrange wrote:
| It's worse for the battery though, because it heats up
| more while charging. Or rather, to compensate for that it
| has to charge slower to keep the battery safe.
| throwanem wrote:
| And $60 per charger.
| m-p-3 wrote:
| You don't have to buy the "official" one.
| ppljudge wrote:
| Who buys a new phone if the cable breaks?
| eatyourglory wrote:
| Are you gonna buy a Pro model or a base one?
| filleokus wrote:
| The USB-C port (even on the non-pro) supports Display Port
| though, which I think can be quite useful if you pair it with
| an external mouse and keyboard and have apps that support
| "extended screen" mode [0].
|
| For example I know of https://shiftscreen.app which is like a
| fake desktop environment, and the Microsoft RDP client added it
| last week. I think Github Codespaces or any of those services
| could probably make a pretty usable experience. Just plugging
| in the phone in your usb-c monitor and get to coding, could be
| pretty sweet in some scenarios.
|
| [0]: If you just mirror the screen you'll get black bars and
| the resolution won't be optimal etc, but apps can render
| directly to the external display customising the resolution for
| that monitor. Like how Photos.app behave, not showing the app
| chrome on the external display.
| https://developer.apple.com/documentation/uikit/windows_and_...
| RandallBrown wrote:
| I'll need to buy new AirPods too, unless I want to carry a
| lightning cable around too. Or just always use wireless
| charging with them.
| newaccount74 wrote:
| And get new iPhones and Airpods for the rest of the family...
| teekert wrote:
| I really hope you are kidding. Can't say. Many people are
| ditching perfectly good tech these days...
| newaccount74 wrote:
| Yes, obviously I was kidding.
|
| I'm looking forward to the day when I need to pack only
| USB-C cables when we go on family vacation, but it's
| still going to be a couple of years until we replaced the
| last device with lightning port (especially iPads seem to
| last forever).
| kaba0 wrote:
| Because it is so hard to charge them like every 5 days or
| more at home where you have a litany of cables laying
| around..
| dylan604 wrote:
| my AirPods came with a USB-C to lightning, so that will still
| work with the phone to charge on the go
| bombcar wrote:
| I've been using mostly wireless charging with my current
| phones; and watch (you have to there) mainly because the
| lightning port would usually be the first thing to die.
|
| I wonder if they'll sell cases alone for existing AirPods.
| Schweigi wrote:
| I keep my iPhones for many years before buying a new one
| and never had the lighting port die. What happens though is
| that the port gets dirt inside and stops working. There are
| tiny brushes (available on Amazon) which solve it and the
| port starts working again.
|
| Nevertheless still good that now only one cable is required
| - especially since the iPad and iMac use USB-C as-well.
|
| Not sure what to do with the AirPods - hopefully the
| wireless charging directly from iPhone 15 will make it
| unnecessary to have to carry the cable for the pods.
| JohnBooty wrote:
| This is my experience as well.
| gnicholas wrote:
| If you have AirPods with wireless charging, you can charge
| them off your iPhone, it sounds like.
|
| But I'll be carrying around a USB-A to Lightning cord when
| I'm traveling anyway, since hotels/airplanes/airports are
| still on USB-A.
|
| EDIT: Looks like I was confused by this brief description,
| and they were just saying that you can plug the peripherals
| into the iPhone. NBD.
| aidos wrote:
| Wait, what??
| gnicholas wrote:
| I'm pretty sure I heard them mention that during the
| iPhone 15 segment. I could be wrong though.
|
| EDIT: yep, per Ars Technica, you can now charge your
| Apple Watch or AirPods off the iPhone 15:
| https://live.arstechnica.com/apples-
| september-12-2023-wonder...
| tamimio wrote:
| Through the cable not wirelessly
| pshc wrote:
| I wonder how much energy is lost when charging
| wirelessly.
| porkloin wrote:
| They don't support wireless charging from phone to
| airpods. That would be great, and is available on some
| android devices. This was referring to being able to
| charge your airpods or watch by plugging them into your
| phone with a cable.
| gnicholas wrote:
| Oh, that's silly. If I had a charge cable with me I'd
| also have my computer or iPad, which I can use to charge.
| cguess wrote:
| You might... but most people won't? A cable slips into a
| purse easily for a night out or something.
| gnicholas wrote:
| There is a zero percent chance that I would ever want to
| boost my AirPods case, (which I charge every few days)
| while draining my iPhone (which I charge daily). If I had
| an Apple Watch, I would not bring the puck charger with
| me anywhere. I don't think that "most people" would; a
| subset of iPhone users have purses, and a subset of
| iPhone users have Apple Watches. I'm pretty sure the
| intersection of those two subsets is not even close to
| the majority of iPhone users.
| dboreham wrote:
| The "charge iot thing wirelessly from phone" feature on
| my Samsung phones for the past few generations isn't used
| every day but it is useful every so often. E.g. go on a
| trip but forget smartwatch charger. No problem the phone
| can do it in a pinch. Or: family member gets their phone
| wet causing it to not charge wired until it dries. No
| problem my phone can charge their phone wirelessly.
| wonnage wrote:
| I think they're referring to plugging a usb cable into
| the phone to charge a device.
| gnicholas wrote:
| It might work without plugging in the iPhone, but I
| imagine most times it would be plugged, overnight or
| whatever.
|
| This is honestly a pretty great feature, and actually
| makes me more likely to buy an Apple Watch. I don't want
| to have to bring another charge cable with me, and now I
| wouldn't have to. I wonder what the charge speed is
| though -- I wouldn't want to have to charge it overnight.
|
| EDIT: Thanks for clarifying, it took me a while to
| understand based on what they had said and what Ars
| reported. I can see that it's just the same as how you
| can plug any peripheral into an iPad and charge off its
| battery. Now you can do the same with iPhone...big deal.
| anamexis wrote:
| No, I think you connect a cable from the iPhone's charge
| port to the AirPod's charge port.
|
| Apple's page says this under the USB-C section:
|
| >The new USB-C connector lets you charge your Mac or iPad
| with the same cable you use to charge iPhone 15. You can
| even use iPhone 15 to charge Apple Watch or AirPods. Bye-
| bye, cable clutter.
|
| With a footnote that leads to this:
|
| > The included USB-C Charge Cable is compatible with
| AirPods Pro (2nd generation) with MagSafe Charging Case
| (USB-C).
| pests wrote:
| Not to mention the Apple Watch takes a special rounded
| magnetic charger.
| pests wrote:
| Not to mention the Apple Watch takes a special rounded
| magnetic charger. I don't think it would interface
| correctly otherwise.
| scarface_74 wrote:
| I carry these around. They are standard USB cables with USB A
| and USB C on one end and USB C and Lightning on the other
| end.
|
| https://a.co/d/fxsaZ58
| ls612 wrote:
| Luckily the newer AirPods cases can charge from an Apple
| Watch charger so I don't need to fiddle with cables.
| wlesieutre wrote:
| EDIT - disregard this, it's charging with cables only using
| the iPhone as a battery
|
| iPhone 15 will charge your watch and airpods from the back
| of the phone, so you don't even need to travel with the
| watch charging cable anymore.
|
| Samsung did this already (branded as "PowerShare") so it's
| the year of iPhone catching up on charging features.
| reportingsjr wrote:
| Where have you seen Apple mention this ability? In the
| presentation they specifically called out being able to
| charge airpods via iphone _with_ a cable, not wireless
| charging between airpods and iphone.
|
| I am surprised apple hasn't included this ability yet. My
| pixel 6 pro also has this ability.
| wlesieutre wrote:
| Aah good catch, I misinterpreted it that way from the
| arstechnica liveblog. You can charge them from the phone
| using a USB C-to-C cable (airpods) or C-to-puck cable for
| the watch. Not quite as convenient, but still good to
| have.
| meowtimemania wrote:
| Maybe you could just get a new airpods usb c case?
| quitit wrote:
| Don't forget you can now plug your airpods into the phone
| instead of needing a charger.
| turndown wrote:
| One of the features of my S10 I ended up loving is the
| ability to charge my (wirelessly chargeable) headphones via
| my S10 which can act as a wireless charger
| AdmiralAsshat wrote:
| The S10 line is long past its feature-updates timeline
| and may have just received its last security update, so I
| fear yours and my S10e are soon to be retired.
|
| I will greatly miss the SD slot and headphone jack...
| lmm wrote:
| Sony still have SD slots and headphone jacks in their
| top-line Xperias, I switched there from Samsung for
| exactly that reason.
| flipbrad wrote:
| LineageOS works very well on the S10e
| turndown wrote:
| Yup! I actually intend to trade mine in for an iPhone 15
| now that they finally have USB C.
| terribleperson wrote:
| Samsung peaked with the S10. I don't know what I'm going
| to move on to when mine gets too long in the tooth.
| babyshake wrote:
| This might be asking too much, but it would be neat if the
| phone was on a low battery (less than 10%), when you plug
| in a peripheral like the Airpods it will know to instead
| charge the phone from the plugged in device. Or for that
| matter, to be able to plug one iPhone from another iPhone
| without any risk of your phone's data being accessed.
| quitit wrote:
| Although it would be speculation, I imagine this will be
| included because USB-C iPads already have this feature.
|
| One can charge a range of devices, including other iPads
| from a USB-C iPad. One can even change the charge
| direction between the two devices.
|
| Charging on these devices is independent from data
| access. The user is prompted to allow data access which
| requires authorisation.
| chrisshroba wrote:
| What do you mean? Wouldn't you still need a charger between
| the phone and the airpods case?
| robotresearcher wrote:
| No.
| keep_reading wrote:
| It's charging off your phone battery which to me is crazy
| considering how hard it is to replace the iphone battery
|
| I don't want more cycles on a battery that isn't user
| serviceable
| Johnny555 wrote:
| I assumed it was meant for occasional use by people on
| the go (like on an airplane without a charging port) who
| need to charge their AirPods case.
|
| It seems unlikely that people will routinely charge their
| AirPods from their phone when they could just as easily
| use the same charger that they just charged up their
| phone with.
| quitit wrote:
| The iPhone 14 battery is considered user serviceable (but
| not the pro), the iPhone 15 pro has now adopted the 14's
| design. Basically the rear panel is now straightforward
| to remove, when before one had to go in through the
| front.
| selimnairb wrote:
| I almost shouted "SCREWS!!!" when I saw them on the Pro
| during the video.
| dzhiurgis wrote:
| > how hard it is to replace the iphone battery
|
| its like 30 minute job, maybe less for pros
| plugin-baby wrote:
| Yay, I can throw away all my headphones again.
| dylan604 wrote:
| I was really hoping Apple would tell the EU FU, and remove the
| port altogether. Some sort of wireless data only or some new
| port like magsafe, but for data.
| dvngnt_ wrote:
| how would that benefit consumers?
| dylan604 wrote:
| They've done no ports on devices before. They've already
| removed headphone jack. So how would it hurt consumers?
| deergomoo wrote:
| My car is old and cheap and doesn't have Bluetooth.
| Needing to swap between Lightning and USB-C dongles when
| my wife and I swap over music duties is annoying enough,
| it'd be far worse if one of those was some magnetic thing
| that could slide off when I try to prop the phone up in a
| cup holder.
| blibble wrote:
| I bought a PS15 adapter for mine
|
| plugged in the back into the unused cd changer port
| behind some carpet
|
| took 2 mins to install, wish I had done it years ago
| NikolaNovak wrote:
| The removal of headphone jack is no longer a daily
| hindrance to me, but it's become at best "every 3-4 days
| I swear at my company-mandated iPhone for not having a
| headphone jack" :)
|
| If they remove all jacks, that's so many devices I own,
| and use-cases I have, poof gone!
| bombcar wrote:
| I bought a lightning-headphone adapter, and may have to
| get a USB-C to headphone one (assuming it works). Well
| worth the expense, and you can just leave it connected to
| the headphones/stereo.
| majormajor wrote:
| "charging while using" is a pretty core use case. Are you
| expecting people to buy a bunch of cords with big dongles
| on the end? At that point the EU probably would still
| have grounds to take action since "magnetic attachment
| point port" isn't exactly "no port."
| dylan604 wrote:
| does using the magsafe charger prevent use while
| charging?
| ProfessorLayton wrote:
| Yes, the Magsafe charger's cord is 3 feet long. Even if
| it was longer it would be incredibly clumsy and awkward
| to hold.
| majormajor wrote:
| If you're tethered to a cord that's attached to your
| phone in a specific spot can you be said to not have a
| "port" even without part of the cable going "into" the
| case?
|
| I suppose the lawyers would get paid a bunch to figure
| out how flexible the definition of "port" in the
| regulation would be. "Port" in networking is obviously
| purely a concept vs a physical hole. "Port" in shipping
| is also more conceptual, no two ports need share the same
| layout.
| rideontime wrote:
| By removing the fastest and most reliable means of
| charging and transferring data.
| _ph_ wrote:
| How would you connect your iPhone to HDMI for example?
| Port charging is faster and more efficient than magsafe.
| The USB-C data transfer speed is great for data exchange.
| It is, afterall the "Pro" model.
| bombcar wrote:
| I was kind of expecting the "lowest spec" one to be
| magcharging only, but maybe that wouldn't really work
| with a "low spec" and the high end ones use USB-C for
| external drives and other things.
| saiya-jin wrote:
| Removal of the jack dramatically downgraded the quality
| if you care about it, wireless protocols are simply no
| match for high end audio. Suddenly ultra cheap phones
| sounded _properly better_.
|
| Of course marketing sold it as benefit, which for some it
| was since they are ok with average quality. Considering
| thick brick that current iphones are for quite some time,
| space taken by port was never the issue, unlike stated
| originally as reason for removal.
| skydhash wrote:
| They have a dongle that is pretty nice. But why would I
| want to run my really nice headphones with iPhone as the
| source?
| astrange wrote:
| Not all "really nice" headphones are high-impedance, and
| if they were a headphone amp isn't a source, it's an amp.
|
| The source is the DAC and the DAC in that dongle is
| better than most audiophile DACs are. Remember,
| audiophile equipment is scams made by small companies and
| iPhone dongles have bigger R&D budgets than their entire
| industry.
| robotresearcher wrote:
| Is the DAC in the cheap dongle worse than the old built
| in DAC?
| astrange wrote:
| You can't hear AAC compression artifacts. Or do you have
| an ABX test?
|
| And if you could, it'd be balanced out in outdoors use
| cases by the lack of wired audio artifacts, namely cable
| telephonics sending walking impacts into your ears.
|
| Anyway, AirPods do support lossless audio now. (Well,
| next year.)
|
| https://www.apple.com/airpods-pro/
| johnmaguire wrote:
| The removal of the headphone jack was incredibly
| disappointing and frustrating for MANY consumers.
| JumpCrisscross wrote:
| > _removal of the headphone jack was incredibly
| disappointing and frustrating for MANY consumers_
|
| So was removing the CD drive. Or shunning Java on the
| original iPhone.
| alpaca128 wrote:
| 3.5mm jacks are still the standard for all wired
| headphones and will probably outlive both Bluetooth and
| iPhones.
|
| Also the Macbooks still have it while the M1 didn't have
| magsafe, so maybe let's not use Apple's decisions as
| indication of obsolescence.
| dylan604 wrote:
| and we can see that frustration in the drop in stock
| price...hmmm
| smoldesu wrote:
| Since when did stock value correlate with customer
| satisfaction?
| dylan604 wrote:
| Since when did Apple make decisions on consumer
| satisfaction?
| astrange wrote:
| That's actually the CEO's catchphrase on earnings calls,
| so.
| internet101010 wrote:
| A CEO's job is to maximize shareholder value. Sometimes
| that aligns with customers, sometimes it doesn't.
| johnmaguire wrote:
| Goalposts: moved.
|
| This is a really insane thread.
| mikestew wrote:
| You mean like how AAPL drops nearly every time they have
| some kind of announcement? Yeah, I don't know if that's a
| good indicator of customer frustration.
| smoldesu wrote:
| What's wrong with having a standard serial port?
| dmd wrote:
| The iphone 17, now with a RS-232 DB25 port
| Humdeee wrote:
| We're not stopping until I can plug my phone directly
| into my stove outlet
| ruined wrote:
| apple's chargers are already universal you just have to
| swap out the plug
| dmd wrote:
| nobody's stopping you
| [deleted]
| smoldesu wrote:
| Aw look, you're making the old 30-pin charger blush now.
| rvnx wrote:
| JTAG is the way to go.
| bombcar wrote:
| Didn't I just read something about abusing the M1/M2 via
| serial?
|
| It was this!
|
| https://www.tindie.com/products/aaafnraa/serial-adapter-
| rebo...
| glogla wrote:
| > Honestly for me the best part is the USB-C.
|
| Some people predicted that new iPhone will be completely
| portless and allow wireless charging only, just to not having
| to support USB-C out of spite.
|
| I guess we'll need to wait a year or two more.
| kaba0 wrote:
| That was such a dumb prediction..
|
| It just doesn't make sense to go wireless only, like even as
| the presentation showed, there are great usecases for wires,
| like moving data fast to external storage during video
| recording. Also, charging is much much slower without a
| cable, and then we didn't even talk about debuggibility,
| servicibility, for no reason whatsoever. Apple is not hurt by
| usb-c, they have been using it for many years on their own
| dime. They just waited around so if anyone takes offense (see
| other commenters) they can freely point their fingers at the
| EU. They only were waiting around for a scapegoat.
| HumblyTossed wrote:
| Nobody believed it. Wireless charging just isn't there. Heat
| and speed need to improve first.
| dbbk wrote:
| Those people were way off the mark anyway because there was
| no rumor to support that and it wouldn't even make practical
| sense.
| ljm wrote:
| The reason for USB-C was to adhere to a common standard.
| Getting rid of the port entirely and depending on a MagSafe
| charger is just the same as insisting on lightning, and you
| would have to buy special cables or devices for it.
|
| That wouldn't pass muster in the regulation.
| ARandumGuy wrote:
| That prediction always seemed premature to me. Wireless
| charging still can't compete with USB fast charging for
| speed, and cables are more portable then even the sleekest
| wireless chargers. While I imagine Apple will ditch cables as
| soon as they think it's feasible, I just don't think that's
| going to happen for at least a few more years.
| bombcar wrote:
| Ever since Jobs killed the floppy at the height of its
| power, people have wanted to jump the gun on the next
| "ubiquitous" thing Apple will kill off.
| kriz9 wrote:
| They need to keep USB-C until they figure out another way to
| transfer large ProRes videos from the iPhone. Wifi is just
| too slow.
| kaba0 wrote:
| But its like fundamental physics and it doesn't make sense
| to ditch wires -- it will always take more energy and more
| loss to transport anything in a medium of distant molecules
| vs a tightly coupled one with interesting properties.
|
| And for what benefit? That port is already water-proof.
| HumblyTossed wrote:
| > That port is already water-proof.
|
| Resistant.
| dbbk wrote:
| Who cares? How many people are dropping their phone in
| the ocean and retrieving it?
| uf00lme wrote:
| Probably see WiFi upgrades to laptops first before client
| devices. So another year or two before that gets solved
| johnmaguire wrote:
| God, I hope not. For all the "eco-friendliness" they spouted,
| this would be a step in the wrong direction.
|
| I found it amusing that they tried to spin Magsafe as eco-
| friendly too... because, uh, you can't use leather cases
| anymore(?)
| rvnx wrote:
| Yeah, certainly eco-friendly, if we forget about all the
| energy losses :)
| johnmaguire wrote:
| Exactly!
| hindsightRegret wrote:
| The cynic in me knows the real reason for them to be a
| carbon neutral company is so that you don't feel bad
| purchasing another one of their phones since it was
| produced "neutrally".
| glogla wrote:
| According to my research (1) wireless charging increases
| the consumption between 40 and 80 % depending on how well
| you align the coils.
|
| It would be very much Apple move to take something that
| wastes enormous amount of energy (given the number of
| people who have iPhones) and claim it is eco-friendly.
|
| (1): I looked on Wikipedia for 30 seconds
| datadrivenangel wrote:
| Iphones use such a small amount of energy that doubling
| the energy consumption is fairly negligible in the grand
| scheme of things.
| johnmaguire wrote:
| Sounds like the same logic used for writing apps in
| Electron. :)
| datadrivenangel wrote:
| 12.7Wh per battery for the iPhone 14, times a billion
| iphones. Assume a worst case scenario of full battery
| usage per day per phone, which gives us 5 billion watts
| or 5 gigawatts.
|
| Doubling that power use if everyone switched to low
| quality wireless charging (50%) would require another 5
| gigawatts, or a few thousand more wind turbines.
|
| Bigger than I thought in a worst case scenario, but still
| not too bad.
|
| Especially if wireless charging prevents premature
| replacement by reducing port failure, as the embodied
| energy is estimated to to be the majority of the energy
| involved in the lifecycle of a smartphone.
| oceanplexian wrote:
| Running an Air Conditioner in a small room for an hour
| (~500Wh) uses the same energy an iPhone would take in ~40
| complete charge/discharge cycles. Of course, the numbers
| look big when you scale them up but as a percentage of
| total energy use, it's marginal to non-existent.
| johnmaguire wrote:
| > Especially if wireless charging prevents premature
| replacement by reducing port failure
|
| Interesting. I wasn't aware this was a common problem?
| It's not something I'm used to hearing about as an
| Android user.
|
| I'd be more interested in whether Magsafe or USB-C wears
| the battery out sooner.
| glogla wrote:
| Back of the napkin: hundred million iPhones recharging
| their 13 Wh battery once a day every day from zero to
| full for a year is about 60 % the electric energy that
| this power plant [1] makes in a year.
|
| Not huge amount of energy, but not negligible either.
|
| [1]:
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agua_Caliente_Solar_Project
|
| edit: I see someone else did the math as well.
| datadrivenangel wrote:
| Not negligible, but also a small cost of the total cost
| of the iPhone system. call it 500 megawatts for 100m
| iPhones, which for moderately expensive generation
| capacity is ~ 2million per megawatt of capacity, works
| out to $10 per phone in electricity. A typical power
| plant has expected lifetimes of ~25-50 years, which if we
| assume a generous 5 year phone lifespan, and a 25 year
| plant life...
|
| That works out to $2 per iPhone to build power plants to
| charge the iphone every day for it's an entire life. Not
| bad for a device that costs hundreds of dollars.
| bombcar wrote:
| Now that it's become like the USB-C port on the iPad (at
| least at high end) I doubt it will go away, but maybe the SE
| will be replaced with a watch-like "no ports" phone someday.
| TylerE wrote:
| I doubt we'll ever see that just because of how badly it
| would screw over CarPlay users.
| ghaff wrote:
| Which is a _lot_ of the people who have bought new vehicles
| in the last 5+ years. And I can 't think of any way to work
| around it that wouldn't (or at least couldn't) be some
| horrendous kludge which probably wouldn't work very well.
|
| I'd never say never obviously but dropping ports entirely
| would have to be a terrible decision anytime soon. (And one
| wonders what assurances Apple has made to auto
| manufacturers adopting CarPlay.)
| [deleted]
| glogla wrote:
| > terrible decision
|
| I think you meant _brave_ decision.
| ghaff wrote:
| There's brave as in people whine because it's pushing the
| envelope but it can be easily worked around (see
| headphone jack) and there's brave in the sense of
| foolhardy which I have to believe all wireless would be
| in the next decade. (On a phone. Seems reasonable on a
| watch especially one advertised as suitable for fairly
| extreme conditions.)
| masklinn wrote:
| > And I can't think of any way to work around it that
| wouldn't (or at least couldn't) be some horrendous kludge
| which probably wouldn't work very well.
|
| One could always dream of head unit updates for wireless
| carplay support...
|
| But according to some wireless carplay adapters do work
| quite well so that might be an option:
| https://9to5mac.com/2023/09/10/carplay-wireless-carplay-
| adap...
|
| Apple could even release an official one.
| mikestew wrote:
| Where "work quite well" means "latency". It's even a sub-
| header in TFA linked above. It's the reason we didn't buy
| a dongle for our new Hyundai Ioniq 5 (which inexplicably
| still uses USB-A in 2023, and no wireless CarPlay),
| because every single review for every single dongle _at
| best_ said, "...and the latency isn't all that bad." Oh,
| it'll be bad for me if it's bad enough for a reviewer to
| notice. Grabbing the cable when I get in the car isn't
| _nearly_ as annoying as waiting for my button press to
| register.
| ghaff wrote:
| My new Honda Passport was USB-A and no wireless last year
| --but then I was happy to be able to get a car at all.
|
| Not that CarPlay is a necessity of life but glitchy
| CarPlay would be a pretty big negative for my experience
| with a vehicle.
| glogla wrote:
| Could Apple perhaps sell you a $99 wireless wired CarPlay
| dongle?
|
| Maybe $199?
| [deleted]
| johnmaguire wrote:
| Wireless CarPlay is becoming pretty common.
| Octoth0rpe wrote:
| yes, but I've heard many, many negative things about it
| (lag, slow charging, phone overheating, etc). I don't
| think I've ever heard of anyone actually liking it.
| MH15 wrote:
| My car only has wireless Carplay, yet it supports
| wireless and wired Android Auto. It sucks. The only thing
| worse would not be having Carplay at all.
| johnmaguire wrote:
| Huh. We use it in our car and it works OK. I do know
| other with the car who have issues with lag however.
|
| Slow charging though... that seems orthogonal?
| TylerE wrote:
| It's orthangonal until however you're charging it can't
| keep up with demand. A 14 Max on a standard USB-A ->
| Lightning connection is already really marginal. Like, I
| can drive for an hour with waze running and the phone
| plugging in (wired carplay) and it'll charge maybe 5%.
| johnmaguire wrote:
| What kind of amperage is your car putting out? Older cars
| really struggle to power phones. In some cars, it's
| possible to upgrade the USB port - otherwise, you may be
| better off using the 12V port (cigarette lighter) since
| you have wireless CarPlay available to you.
|
| In my Fusion, I'm stuck using wired Android Auto, so I am
| unfortunately not able to use the 12V port for charging.
| TylerE wrote:
| No clue, it's a 2017 model so reasonably new. It doesn't
| even have a cig lighter.
| dwighttk wrote:
| Sounds like waze is the problem... I regularly drive all
| day with Apple Maps, MagSafe charging, and Bluetooth
| data. No issues keeping my phone charged
| kayodelycaon wrote:
| I think that's largely due to car manufacturers being
| shit at software. The previous generation of my current
| car was absolute trash when it came to CarPlay. Even the
| wired version of it sucked.
|
| The 2023 model had the entertainment system massively
| upgraded. Wireless CarPlay is seamless and fast. The
| wireless charging pad isn't amazing but it does the job
| just fine.
|
| I love wireless CarPlay now. :)
| yellow_postit wrote:
| Wireless CarPlay works great in our VW. What sucks is
| that when Apple abandoned Qi wireless standard the
| wireless charging pad in the car doesn't work well or
| consistently with the MagSafe design.
| mastercheif wrote:
| Apple didn't abandon Qi... all wirelessly chargeable
| iPhones are Qi compatible.
| Klonoar wrote:
| I had wireless CarPlay in my last car and every single
| iOS update would brick the connection somehow. Eventually
| muscle memory for just plugging in the damn phone took
| over.
|
| I suspect they have a few things to work out with regards
| to CarPlay wireless connection(s) before they could
| remove ports on the device, in addition to the other
| comments on this thread.
| TylerE wrote:
| Doesn't do anythign for the millions of people (self
| included) that already own a car with wired carplay.
| CamperBob2 wrote:
| I'm sure there will be a dongle for that.
| massysett wrote:
| There already are some:
|
| https://9to5mac.com/2023/09/10/carplay-wireless-carplay-
| adap...
| camjohnson26 wrote:
| There already are several wireless car play adapters for
| under $100, I have one and it works perfectly
| internet101010 wrote:
| I honestly didn't know non-wireless carplay existed until
| you said something. Everyone I know just keeps their
| phone on a charging pad somewhere in the car.
| JohnBooty wrote:
| It fits a use case for some but it doesn't appeal to me.
|
| - Plugging the phone in is so easy.
|
| - With Wireless Carplay presumbably I'd have to futz with
| the phone anyway if both of our phones are associated
| with the entertainment system
|
| - I still have to take the phone out of my pocket to put
| it on the wireless charging pad. That is actually the
| hassle, not plugging the phone in
|
| - If I don't care about charging my phone, I assume my
| phone is going to heat up in my pocket and drain the
| battery while I'm doing Wireless Carplay stuff
|
| - A lot of my driving is short 10-15 min trips. Can put a
| pretty decent charge into my phone during that time with
| the wired connection. Not with inductive charging.
| fomine3 wrote:
| Existing cars remain over a decade
| derefr wrote:
| My prediction is that Apple's going to introduce some sort
| of "MagSafe Data" protocol -- some kind of high-bandwidth
| NFC that runs through an autonomous controller chip that
| comes up before the rest of the device, such that it can be
| used to DFU-restore / JTAG / etc. the phone, just as
| Lightning currently does.
| derefr wrote:
| I don't know about spite -- I feel like they were holding off
| on moving the iPhone to USB-C for so long precisely _because_
| they had already planned on going portless "soon", and it
| would have been silly to do two of these "brave" transitions
| in quick succession.
| jabroni_salad wrote:
| recording your footage directly to external storage is kind
| of a dependent feature though. They are angling on the
| prosumer / low end commercial videography with that.
|
| I suspect lots of people who would be happy to shoot on a
| phone have upgraded to blackmagic specifically because you
| can just swap the card and keep rolling.
| the_other wrote:
| > It comes with one USB-C to USB-C charging cable - not sure if
| it is a data cable, also.
|
| This is why USB-C is a user-hostile spec.
| vel0city wrote:
| This has always been possible with USB, its not anything
| specific to the USB-C spec. I have several power-only USB
| cables, in fact I even have a few USB-A to barrel cables.
| astrange wrote:
| And it's considered a good thing for security, that's why
| there are "USB condoms" for untrusted charging ports.
| oynqr wrote:
| Every compliant charging cable is a data cable.
| knodi123 wrote:
| where "compliant" is circularly defined as "supports
| charging and data"?
| mort96 wrote:
| Where "compliant" is defined to mean "does the minimum
| required by the USB spec and thus is legally allowed to
| carry the USB logo and call itself a USB cable".
| odensc wrote:
| It's not an issue specific to USB-C. There are also plenty of
| USB-A/Micro-USB cables that don't have the data pins
| connected. Typically this is only an issue with super cheap
| electronics that only use USB-C as a connector for power and
| don't really follow the spec.
|
| I haven't heard of a phone coming with a charge-only cable.
| Especially because that cable is usually used for syncing to
| a computer (iOS)/transferring data from an old phone
| (Android).
| dwaite wrote:
| USB-C to C cables to spec need the data pins for USB 2 and
| to support 30W. Beyond that it is cable-specific.
|
| Unless an included cable came with a hard disk, monitor or
| eGPU, you can be reasonably sure it is USB 2 speeds. If it
| didn't ship with a computer either, it is probably 30W max.
| riskable wrote:
| Even "power" USB C cables can do data transfer. They just
| do so at USB 2.0 speeds (like a lightning connector would).
|
| Finding a _truly_ power-only USB C cable is difficult but
| not impossible. It 's a special order.
| throwaway858748 wrote:
| [flagged]
| newaccount74 wrote:
| It's because only the 15 Pro has the new SoC with USB 3.
|
| If we can extrapolate from last years update and this years
| update, then next year iPhone 16 will get the A17 and also
| get USB 3.
| baq wrote:
| Yup - finally ready to ditch the 2020 SE which, TBH, is still
| good enough except the battery's toast and has been for half a
| year at least.
|
| (Worry not though dear mr. Cook, I'll pass it down to one of my
| kids so the environment won't be hurting while the new toy
| shows me which gate my CO2-spewing flight departs from. ;))
| josephg wrote:
| > It comes with one USB-C to USB-C charging cable - not sure if
| it is a data cable, also.
|
| The USB-C charging cables can also carry data at USB2 speeds.
| I'm pretty sure thats the limit of what the iphone 15 usb-c
| port can handle. (Since they explicitly called out the iphone
| 15 pro as having hardware support for usb3).
| massysett wrote:
| Yes, the spec sheet for the non-Pro 15 says it transfers at
| USB2 speed.
| [deleted]
| yodsanklai wrote:
| Now if they can put back a jack port...
| DarmokJalad1701 wrote:
| The USB-C is tempting. The only other Apple devices I own are
| all USB-C - Macbook Pros and an iPad Air. Maybe this will
| finally get me to switch from my aging Pixel 3A. The idea of
| dropping $800 on it is still a bit much though.
| tcmart14 wrote:
| If you are looking for an alternative because the 3A is
| getting a little long in the tooth, I would say look at the
| SE. It doesn't have USB-C, but its a damn good phone for
| ~$400 (with probably 7-ish years of support). When I was
| looking to upgrade from my 3A, its what I went to.
| carstenhag wrote:
| My company provided me an iPhone SE and it's such a bad
| experience, I can't recommend it. Feels like it's from
| 2010.
| bombcar wrote:
| Yeah, you need to get another reason, really. I'm only
| looking at it because my phone is physically shattered.
| GloriousKoji wrote:
| Might want to still hold onto those cables for the Apple magic
| mouse, magic trackpad and magic keyboard.
| tonymet wrote:
| you'll still need to buy proper cables because of compatibility
| issues.
| kroltan wrote:
| Proper cables, yes, but generally a proper cable works with
| improper stuff attached to it. You can charge your iPhone and
| the dubious ebay air freshener or whatever with a proper
| cable.
|
| If you have two different connectors you invariably need at
| least two proper cables.
| tonymet wrote:
| i wish it were true, but it's not. I have plenty of usb c
| devices that only charge with low quality usb-A to usb-C
| cables.
| bit_logic wrote:
| Main reason why I like this change: single cable in the car for
| both Android Auto and CarPlay. It was so annoying having both
| in the car.
| nashashmi wrote:
| The USB-C was supposed to do more than just allow you to change
| cables. It was supposed to be a Dex-like, Docking Station
| extensible pocket computer.
|
| The iPad Pro is like that and their extended desktop is called
| Apple Studio Display. https://support.apple.com/en-us/102286
| dubeye wrote:
| I don't get this at all. I use wireless pads in the house and
| keep one lightening cable in the car. I don't think I'll notice
| the difference
| lostapathy wrote:
| Magsafe charger on a Ram mount has been a huge win for me in
| the car. It charges, and it's got a predictable place instead
| of wherever i drop it.
| brundolf wrote:
| I was literally about to buy a 14 last fall, then the rumor
| about USB-C came out and I decided to wait another year just
| for that
|
| Edit: Lol, eternally fascinated by what causes some people to
| downvote on here
| dzhiurgis wrote:
| > It comes with one USB-C to USB-C charging cable
|
| IDK why Apple supplies these tbh. They are crap, break easily
| and are far too short.
|
| Invest in good 6ft kevlar braided cables with stainless steel
| pins. They'll last you years.
| kmlx wrote:
| > but USB-C is going to mean I can get rid of all these
| lightning cables.
|
| that's something i never cared about. whether i carry 1 usbc
| and 1 lightning or 2 usbc, it's still 2 cables.
| mgsk wrote:
| Crazy idea: now you can carry one cable.
| kalupa wrote:
| only if you want to charge things one by one ...
| sneak wrote:
| The cable I carry is a trident cable with USB A on one end
| (with a tethered a-c adapter) and lighting, micro, and C on
| the other end.
| HumblyTossed wrote:
| Can already do that. I have an adapter tethered to the
| cable.
| saiya-jin wrote:
| Even crazier - outside US its massively easier to find usbc
| cable compared to lightning. I hope those frequent days
| when some (usually the same but now always) colleague is
| running desperately around the office interrupting
| everybody looking for one will be finally over.
| rootusrootus wrote:
| I don't understand this. When traveling internationally
| I've never had a problem locating a Lightning cable.
|
| Though I have to mention, you shouldn't really shop for
| cables when you're traveling and need a new one. First
| stop by the front desk, they usually have a huge pile of
| charging cables people have left behind.
| prmoustache wrote:
| Anyone who has worked in an office outside of the USA has
| experienced the annoying iphone user asking everyone for
| a cable to charge his phone because he lost/broke/forgot
| it.
|
| And not all the offices are close to a shop selling those
| kind of things nor do these persons feel they might be
| better off going shopping for one directly instead of
| disrupting a non negligible amount of workers.
|
| I don't even know why people have to charge their phone
| midday and can't wait. Even when I am going out and
| extending the night until dawn, I usually have battery
| left until I go to bed.
| not_your_vase wrote:
| I have a feeling that he wasn't carrying the USB-C cable
| because he expected some kind of guerilla-connector-change
| suddenly on the iPhone in his pocket, but it is being used
| with another device.
| kmlx wrote:
| what if i've got multiple devices that need charging at the
| same time? like i always do all the time when travelling.
| wds wrote:
| If one breaks, then the other cable can carry both.
| bondant wrote:
| But if you know you won't need to charge them simultaneously,
| then you can only carry one cable.
|
| For instance, I'm happy that my new laptop can charge on
| usb-c, so now I don't need you bring a charger for my switch
| and a different one for my laptop. I just take the smallest
| one and charge my laptop and switch with it (but not at the
| same time). I'm happy to know that I will be able to ditch
| the lightning cable for my next apple smartphone and only
| keep a single cable for my three devices.
| Reason077 wrote:
| > _"It comes with one USB-C to USB-C charging cable - not sure
| if it is a data cable, also."_
|
| _All_ USB-C cables must support USB 2.0 480 Mbps data
| transfer, at minimum. There's no such thing as a USB-C cable
| that doesn't support data.
| c0pium wrote:
| Of course there are, they're sold as "privacy" or sometimes
| "security" cables.
|
| To be clear, "juice jacking" is not a thing anymore, but
| people are still foolishly worried about it so there's a
| market.
|
| https://www.amazon.com/PortaPow-NA-USB-C-Data-
| Blocker/dp/B08...
| xen2xen1 wrote:
| Oh my, lots of cheap cables don't support data. Buy a $15 set
| of wirlesss Earbuds and check them.
| CHSbeachbum420 wrote:
| [flagged]
| dagaci wrote:
| I dropped $1400+ on iPhone 14 (with the apple care thing),
| but TBH I was disappointed, iOS/iPhone used to be ahead of
| Android in terms of OS and usability.
|
| Now it just felt like the hardware is wasted on iOS. I still
| have the old Android phone, and instinctively use that rather
| than dealing with iOS. Next device is definitely going to be
| an android.
| ericmcer wrote:
| its $799. Also if you are an apple fanboy you probably have a
| 13 or 14 which you can trade in to bring your total price to
| <$400. Not a crazy tab for something you use 40 times a day.
| iguana_lawyer wrote:
| USB-C means you'll still have different cables with different
| speeds for different devices but now they'll all look the same.
| esotericsean wrote:
| Curious what other devices people have that use USB-C? The only
| one I have is my Nintendo Switch. So for me, this is mostly an
| inconvenience having to get new cables for my phone. I'll miss
| Lightning.
| bombcar wrote:
| Isn't the Switch some "almost USB-C but not quite" thing? I
| remember issues with that.
|
| Most everything is moving _towards_ USB-C but it 's slow; I
| want Milwaukee and them to have more USB-C charging devices
| for the smaller battery charged things.
| wil421 wrote:
| Nintendo Switch, iPads, M2 MacBook Pro, HP work laptop,
| external san disk SSD, Jabra Headset, and USB C MagSafe
| batteries.
|
| I wish my Garmin bike stuff had USB C.
| kbrackbill wrote:
| > I wish my Garmin bike stuff had USB C.
|
| Same, my last non-usb C devices are my inreach and edge
| 500. I guess it's a testament to how long they last.
| steelframe wrote:
| My Wahoo Elemnt Roam has USB-C. If you're willing to
| consider other manufacturers than Garmin.
| dotnet00 wrote:
| At this point I don't have any portable electronics which do
| not use USB C (kind of by design, I have so many USB C cables
| and almost no microUSB left and don't want to buy more of the
| latter) and only have a handful of things in general which
| still use MicroUSB.
|
| So, my phone, tablet, steam deck, power bank, bluetooth-to-
| wired audio adapter, all use USB C. Same with any of the
| laptops I'm looking at getting. Thus, all I ever need to
| carry is a power brick, a USB C hub, a C-to-C cable and an
| A-to-C cable and it'll be sufficient for everything.
| missingcolours wrote:
| - laptops with USB-C charging (MacBooks)
|
| - Android phones (our family collectively has 2 Android
| phones and 2 iPhones)
|
| - iPad
|
| - wireless headphones
| gbear605 wrote:
| My headphones, laptop (MacBook), work laptop (also MacBook),
| Nintendo Switch, external hard drives, and external battery
| all use USB-C. None of these were intentional switches for
| me, just the default option. At this point, my phone is the
| only cable I have that isn't USB-C, so this will be super
| convenient.
|
| My partner's phone (an Android) is already on USB-C, so this
| will also let us share cables, which is a huge plus.
| Matl wrote:
| > laptop (MacBook)
|
| The fact that people talk about how integrated the Apple
| ecosystem is, yet you needed an adapter to connect its
| phone to its laptop says it all.
| piperswe wrote:
| You didn't need an adapter, just a cable. In recent
| years, that cable came included with the iPhone. And it's
| the same cable used for charging the phone.
| mrguyorama wrote:
| It doesn't matter whether the adapter is stubby or long
| (like a non-adapting cable), it still cost like $20 for
| no reason, despite being "such a well integrated
| ecosystem"
|
| When it came to apple, that kind of stuff has always been
| pure puffery and marketing anyway. "Their hardware is the
| best" people would say, while their computers sat at 100%
| fan, choking under the strain of running basic apps with
| no real cooling, while the user worked around a stuck "C"
| key and being careful with their inflating battery.
| stratom wrote:
| Bike lights, shaver, Laptop, flash drive, YubiKey, power
| bank, ANC-earbuds, custom built HW, a few Dev boards, ...
| Matl wrote:
| Laptop, Steam Deck, DAP, Kindle, battery bank, ANC earbuds
| hotnfresh wrote:
| Most things I have and still use, use usbc for charging or
| power. Or lightning.
|
| Peripherals, usb-a is still what you usually get, just going
| by what's common on store shelves. Just got a new kit at work
| a few weeks ago--all these brand-new devices are made to plug
| into A, even if the other end is usb-c. They come with A-to-c
| cables, or else are A-only. In the former case, I can at
| least fix it by just using c cables I already have.
|
| But, overall, the peripheral world _as most people experience
| it_ is still A-first. C options are usually more expensive,
| may be part of why.
| hennell wrote:
| I have phone, tablet, headphones, laptop, steam deck,
| graphics tablet, art light box, and various battery chargers
| and camera lights & accessories that all use usb C. Kindle
| and Fitbit is about the only thing I use that's not USBC I
| think.
| munk-a wrote:
| For me it's Steam Deck, Soundcore Headphones, Phone (I use
| android), Laptop and Pill Dispenser (a medical device). It's
| nice just to grab my high speed steam deck charging brick and
| a spare USB-C to keep all that stuff in charging rotation
| overnight when out of the house.
| Klugistiono wrote:
| Laptops (Work MacBook and a Thinkpad) and i do not use the
| magic thingy for charging. My phone and my switch. And i used
| those things on travels surprisingly often.
|
| Do you use lightning for charging your phone when traveling
| and mag save for your macbook?
| rootusrootus wrote:
| iPad, MacBooks, Chromebooks, Nintendo Switch, and basically
| every IoT gadget and other toy that used to use Micro-USB,
| for the last couple years they've all been USB-C. Even the
| cheapo stuff. I was ecstatic to throw away all but one (just
| in case) Micro USB cable I had. I won't jump for joy getting
| rid of Lightning cables, but OTOH I won't miss them either.
| Larrikin wrote:
| Nearly every single device I use regularly that can be USB
| powered is USB C at this point. Just from looking around, my
| mouse, my Android phone, both my work and personal laptop, my
| Switch, my portable speaker, my headphones, my iPad, my
| Raspberry Pi, and even my Pokemon Go Ball.
|
| At this point I actively avoid buying any devices that are
| not USBC because there is an alternative to any product I
| could want. Products shipping with micro USB in 2023 are
| almost always indicative of a cheap product or an old product
| that hasn't received any meaningful updates.
|
| The only glaring examples are Apple phones/accessories, which
| I avoid, and sadly fitness devices. My water bottle and watch
| both have proprietary connections, I assume because a water
| proof USBC connection is just not feasible on small devices.
| Hopefully some kind of standard gets established there as
| I've had products that look like they have very similar
| connections that almost fit but they don't actually charge.
| givinguflac wrote:
| For me I've got my Nintendo Switch, headphones, soon my new
| phone, and a vape that all charge on USB-C. I'm excited to
| have one cable to rule them all, personally.
| ghaff wrote:
| MacBook Pro, wireless mouse, an audio mixer I think, a couple
| other things. I still use a lot more USB-A/B but it's
| creeping up there. I probably won't upgrade this generation
| but the switch is in the category of utterly inevitable and
| mostly will mean I have to buy some adapters and maybe a
| couple cables by the time it happens.
| ploum wrote:
| My laptop is USB-C.
|
| Everything else I have is micro USB: my phone, my ereader
| (PocketBook), my reMarkable tablet, my bluetooth headset, my
| bike GPS, the lights of my bike, my portable batteries.
|
| I fear the day I will have to replace all of those with USB-C
| because, currently, I can travel with only one small charger
| (as long as I don't take my laptop).
| chx wrote:
| I do not follow your reasoning. There are extremely small C
| chargers and if the replacement is gradual, you could also
| just carry C male-micro USB male cable(s) and micro USB
| female to C male adapters. Such adapters adhere to the
| specification, it's C female to legacy USB which is not.
| vel0city wrote:
| Just get a USB-C to microUSB adapter to put on the end, and
| you could charge it all with just your laptop charger.
| vel0city wrote:
| Multiple different wireless headphones. Wireless keyboard.
| Wireless mouse. Game controllers. A non-Apple phone. Multiple
| laptops. E-reader. A rechargeable flashlight. A rechargeable
| lantern. External battery pack.
| scarface_74 wrote:
| My MacBook Air and my portable external monitor gets power
| and video from one USB C cable.
| majikandy wrote:
| Portable external monitor, tell me more.
| scarface_74 wrote:
| I have this one:
|
| https://www.amazon.com/dp/B095GG31KX
| jiofj wrote:
| I have none at all. So I'm not so happy about this. It means
| I will have to throw away lots of good lightning cables I've
| amassed over the years. Thanks EU, I guess.
| munk-a wrote:
| Tell that to the parallel port cable I still have sitting
| in my cable box just in case I need to fire up an ancient
| dot matrix printer.
| deergomoo wrote:
| At this point basically every gadget in my house not made by
| Apple, and even then most of the gadgets made by Apple.
|
| MacBook, iPad, Studio Display, Switch, Sony headphones,
| Kindle, my wife's Pixel phone, Steam Deck, Raspberry Pi. The
| only micro USB devices I have are some old portable chargers.
| The only Lightning devices I have are my phone, my AirPods
| and, for some reason that still escapes me, the external
| trackpad Apple sells.
|
| If the only USB-C gadget you have is the Switch you must not
| have bought many gadgets in the past five years. Which
| actually isn't a bad thing, good on you.
| P-Nuts wrote:
| My Kindle Oasis and my Bose QC35 are my next most often
| charged things after my iPhone, and they're both micro USB
| and only three years old. The only USB-C device I own is a
| kitchen scale. I have more mini USB and full-size USB-B
| things!
| onlyrealcuzzo wrote:
| Almost everything beside the iPhone.
| allanrbo wrote:
| Usb c devices i own: Apple MacBook laptop, Lenovo laptop,
| Sony headphones, Bose headphones, bike lights, headlamp,
| probably more. Lightning is the odd one out for me.
| oceanplexian wrote:
| I don't necessarily "miss" lightning but it was a superior
| design. With USB-C the cables are female so you're more
| likely to break off the connector on the device instead of
| the cable, which is cheap and easy to replace. Lightning
| didn't have that problem.
| ilteris wrote:
| I disagree. In my experience of having both of these for a
| number of years I never had to replace a USB-C cable
| because it was broken. I had to replace the lighting cable
| more than I can count.
| m463 wrote:
| my devices are mostly micro-usb, the apple devices are
| lightning and I'm getting more usb-c devices sort of
| randomly.
|
| I've started buying multi-standard cables - they usually
| terminate with micro-usb, and have tiny attached adapters for
| usb-c and lightning.
|
| higher quality example: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B071WNQYV6
| but there are lots of cheaper variants.
| steeve wrote:
| We can thank the EU for that
| SirMaster wrote:
| I understand why they did it.
|
| But just my perspective on it, I will have to replace all my
| lightning cables with usb-c, and the usb-c ecosystem seems like
| a nightmare to me from what I have seen.
|
| This would be my first usb-c device.
| bootlooped wrote:
| For the vast majority of consumers, the usb-c ecosystem is
| fine. Buy name brand cables and chargers, they're fine.
| nomel wrote:
| That's not the greatest advice. I saw my mom charging her
| phone with a fat, meter long, USB-C cable. I asked her why
| she was using such a short cable. She admitted it was
| annoying to use. She said it was $35, but it was fast
| charging! It was a 100W 10Gbps cable.
| rootusrootus wrote:
| This is why the iPhone was nearly the last Apple device to
| switch to USB-C. Plenty of people will be irritated at having
| to buy bunch of new cables, and they've been accumulating
| Lightning cables for a decade. And unlike something like
| Micro USB, lightning cables don't often wear out.
|
| But it is better to finally make the jump. I've never been
| unhappy with Lightning, but almost everything else I own has
| now switched to USB-C.
| jorams wrote:
| > and they've been accumulating Lightning cables for a
| decade.
|
| This is why I don't think Apple's electronic waste argument
| makes much sense. All devices I've bought in the last 5
| years have been USB-C, while iPhone users were stuck on
| Lightning. If Apple had switched back then all those users
| would've been buying 5 years worth of cables that work with
| everything, rather than cables that work for only a few
| devices from a single manufacturer.
| rstat1 wrote:
| My brother has an iPad with the Lightning port on it, and
| has to get new cables every few years because they start
| fraying and breaking around the bottom of the connector.
|
| And he isn't really rough or abusive with these cables
| either.
|
| Where as I still have MicroUSB cables from 10 or 12yrs ago
| that still look and work like new.
| rootusrootus wrote:
| I guess there will always be someone who can damage any
| cable. I've never killed a lightning cable myself, and
| only ever seen someone else (my own mother) do it once --
| and it wasn't the connector that broke, it was the cable
| at the strain relief. Hell, the cable still actually
| worked, but I was uncomfortable with the state of the
| cable and bought her a new one.
|
| When I was doing Android phones, I was going through a
| new Micro USB cable about every month or two. Never long
| enough to fray the cable itself, it was always the
| connector flaking out and refusing to make a good enough
| connection to charge reliably.
|
| Good riddance to Micro USB.
| JohnBooty wrote:
| Absolutely not a Lightning-specific thing.
|
| Flimsy cables are flimsy cables and they will break and
| fray. USB-C, Lightning, whatever.
|
| The first-party Lightning cables from Apple have always
| been pretty flimsy so if Lightning cables have a bad rep
| in general, that's probably why. That's Apple's fault but
| not anything specific to Lightning.
|
| I've had a lot of Anker Lightning cables and they're
| about as bulletproof as a cable can possibly be.
| kaba0 wrote:
| That sounds like a "your brother problem". Especially
| that an often touted negative of lightning cables is that
| the only movable part is inside the socket, which is
| harder to replace -- so it makes even less sense why they
| could go wrong. My guess: he is buying cheap Chinese ones
| that have lower quality and you compare it to some higher
| quality ones.
|
| As many people can vouch for: lighting cables can easily
| work for many many years without any trouble whatsoever.
| faeriechangling wrote:
| Hmm, I've known several Apple users who have experienced
| the same thing. Both with branded Apple cables and third
| party ones. I seemed to notice lighting users having more
| dead cables than USB-C users seemed to, and it seems to
| me that lightning cables more frequently omit robust
| strain relief for aesthetic reasons.
|
| The most frequent tendency I notice among people who have
| their cables fray is they use their phones while
| charging, but if you do certain things on your phone like
| long gaming sessions, you are almost forced to use your
| phone while it charges. So blaming the user feels a
| little bit like "you're holding it wrong" to me.
|
| Where I did notice a difference between USB-C and
| lightning is that the lightning PORT seemed more durable
| than USB-C ports. I own multiple phones with flaky USB-C
| ports, whereas lighting ports seem much more durable.
| Larrikin wrote:
| It's an old problem that was a real problem. I personally
| have never had any cables fray, except for every white
| Apple cord I had owned.
|
| Up until a few years back when I noticed my replacement
| cord for yet another bad Apple cable felt different.
| Haven't had any issues with them after that. I assume
| they changed the manufacturing process.
| hotnfresh wrote:
| This definitely has to do with handling. I always wad my
| cables up and stuff them in bags, no care to careful
| winding or anything--but they last forever, as long as
| I'm the only one using them.
|
| What I don't do is hold them under tension for long
| periods, or use them stretched taught then bent 90deg
| right next to the connector. My wife and kids ruin cables
| in a few months, and that's how they do it. I didn't get
| what people were talking about with apple cables being
| fragile, until I saw that.
|
| I developed my habit because the same behavior is bad on
| ports, too. I'd developed an unconscious avoidance to
| doing those things before I ever owned an Apple device,
| or had one at work. So my Apple cables last forever
| unless my wife or kids get ahold of them.
| dwaite wrote:
| Yep. My replaced lightning and USB-C cables were all with
| the iPad, because in landscape I'll have the connector at
| a tight bend.
|
| Now I just use a usb-c cable with a 90 degree bend built
| in.
| kemayo wrote:
| Contributing to this anecdata, it's the same for me. My
| cables last forever, my spouse runs through them at an
| accelerated rate. Coincidentally, they use their phone in
| bed with it plugged in...
| hotnfresh wrote:
| Plug in, move as far away as possible, turn port away
| from direction of the wall outlet, to use it. Bonus
| points for also _resting it_ on the bent-at-the-port
| cable. Yep, that's the maneuver my family members use to
| ruin all our cables. Similar with laptop and tablet power
| cables--get far from the outlet so the cable's under
| tension, turn device so port's not facing the outlet.
| rstat1 wrote:
| I really don't think it is. It was a problem with the
| Apple one as well or else he wouldn't keep having to get
| new ones.
| faeriechangling wrote:
| It's overblown how much of a nightmare USB-C is. Yes there
| are many problems with the ecosystem, but it's still really
| not as bad as using both lightning and USB-C like Apple does,
| nor is it as bad as micro-usb.
|
| At my desk I have a laptop, keyboard, and mouse which
| typically all typically get charged off a single thunderbolt
| 4 cable. You can have anything from games controllers to
| bicycle lights to remote controls sharing a single charger.
| No need to fuss with adapters, or having a rats nest of
| different cables, or charge-only cables with
| microusb/usb-c/lightning at the end. C to C cables are also
| very nice since they allow phones and usb-c only laptops to
| charge any other USB-C device, and you can't accidentally
| flip them around the wrong way.
|
| The technology itself is great. It's the flawed
| implementations, the lack of standards enforcement, the
| confusing labelling of different types of cables, and the
| very gradual and slow death of lightning/micro-usb/USB-A
| that's really holds things back. Once you figure out what you
| need to buy, and finish buying the appropriate products that
| you need, it is nice.
| dwaite wrote:
| > Yes there are many problems with the ecosystem, but it's
| still really not as bad as using both lightning and USB-C
| like Apple does[...]
|
| People underestimate just how stable lightning cables are.
| After 11 years they have two types of certified cables in
| terms of data and charging capabilities, and you can tell
| them apart by whether the other end is USB-A or USB-C
| JohnBooty wrote:
| For phone users who only want to charge their phones, it's
| fine. It's hard to go too wrong.
|
| For people who want to have e.g. 100W+ of power while
| feeding a signal to 4K60+ external monitors it's kind of a
| nightmare unless they know that "just use Thunderbolt 4"
| "trick".
| faeriechangling wrote:
| While a bit of a tangent, I also love how Apple likes to
| make this EVEN MORE confusing by not supporting
| displayport MST in MacOS, causing most thunderbolt 4
| docks on the market to be incapable of supporting
| multiple monitors when using MacOS.
|
| So if you have say a 16" MacBook Pro, you need to get not
| only Thunderbolt 4 which is a rare spec, you want to
| ideally get ~85-140w PD not ~60w, AND you need to get an
| expensive dock that can split up the two HBR3 displayport
| channels instead of a regular MST Thunderbolt 4 dock.
|
| Thankfully Apple has a solution to consumer confusion
| caused by all this. Buy a $1600 Apple studio display,
| connect it directly to your Mac, use the monitor itself
| as a dock, and everything will be compatible. Stay in the
| safe walled garden.
| dahfizz wrote:
| The USB-C ecosystem is so confusing because the port can do
| so much.
|
| Worst case scenario, you get a cheap cable and you're stuck
| at the same charging speed and data speed as what lighting
| could do. It can only get better for you; lightning is an
| ancient port.
| Matl wrote:
| > the usb-c ecosystem seems like a nightmare to me from what
| I have seen.
|
| Compared to lighting it only has advantages, faster charging,
| more universal.
|
| It's only a nightmare because you can carry almost anything
| over USB C incl. DisplayPort etc. which is not always clear
| if it's supported or not
| nani8ot wrote:
| Agreed. Any compliant USB-C cable supports all the features
| lightning does, aka. power and USB 2.0 data.
|
| It also supports HDMI but that's used with an adapter
| anyway, so it's not a consideration if it works for a user.
| lambdasquirrel wrote:
| I know I'm in the minority but I preferred the smaller
| lightning cables to these USB-C cables that were designed to
| carry 100x the power that a phone would need.
| JohnBooty wrote:
| Lots of compact USB-C cables out there. They won't provide
| 100W to your laptop, but they'll charge your phone just
| fine.
| tazjin wrote:
| Welcome to 2018 or so!
| [deleted]
| liendolucas wrote:
| Is there a reason why Apple have never offered induction
| charging? Isn't that the best way to charge a phone? We
| completely avoid the wearing out of the port itself,
| potentially avoiding repairs and extending its lifetime if
| spare USB charging boards are no longer available. I'm
| wondering why every single phone hasn't it.
| vermilingua wrote:
| They have? iPhones have supported wireless charging for years
| deergomoo wrote:
| Aside from the fact that they do as you've already seen,
| inductive charging is slower and far less efficient than via
| a cable.
| jandrese wrote:
| You mean wireless charging? My iPhone 11 does it, and I'm
| pretty sure all of the subsequent ones do as well. Maybe not
| on the SE. I think the 10 might have even supported it.
| c0pium wrote:
| They have for several years.
| kokanee wrote:
| iPhone 8 and later support inductive charging. But it's not
| perfect - my wife's phone was melted by a third-party
| inductive charging pad that was intended for use with
| iPhones.
| [deleted]
| liendolucas wrote:
| Oh my mistake, yes indeed. Must be that I've never seen a
| wireless charging iPhone...
| JKCalhoun wrote:
| Everyone in my family have iPhones with inductive charging.
| haraldooo wrote:
| What do you mean? iPhones support ,,magsafe 2" since 2017 (?)
| and Qhi-Charging since forever. And no, there is no ,,general
| best" - you at least have to deal with the energy that is
| lost through induction.
| wackget wrote:
| > It comes with one USB-C to USB-C charging cable
|
| Why not a USB-A to USB-C cable? The vast majority of existing
| chargers and computer/console/car ports are USB-A.
|
| Seems like this is forcing people to buy USB-C chargers.
| marcusramberg wrote:
| Probably need usb-c to charge the phone at full speed?
| dpritchett wrote:
| Likely so the phone can charge off of a nearby MacBook which
| has usb C ports.
| lozenge wrote:
| The last power adapters and cables bundled with iPhones
| already had USB C connection.
| nsn90 wrote:
| not their computers, also Apple usually pushes changes
| forward, not backwards, in this case using lightning they
| just diverged from micro USB, and probably now most people
| have USB-C chargers
| a2dam wrote:
| No other Apple products include a USB A port. It's to
| standardize the whole ecosystem on USB C.
| purplejacket wrote:
| [flagged]
| copperx wrote:
| I haven't cared about new phones in a while, but the DSLR-like
| sensor image stabilization looks really cool.
| miguelazo wrote:
| No Mini again? Pass.
| brotherhoodZero wrote:
| I may be an odd on out here, but I'm not a fan of the move to
| USB-C. I don't care about data speeds or charging speeds. I don't
| even care about durability of the cable as they can be replaced.
| I care about durability of the charging port on the device and
| every USB-C device I've ever owned has become "loose" over time.
| This includes my iPad Mini, so I don't believe Apples has found a
| solution to this.
|
| Meanwhile, I may have had to replace cables for my older iPhone,
| but those cables are still solidly in place when I insert them.
| Arbortheus wrote:
| Did you ever try scraping the bottom of the USB-C port with a
| bobby pin? I find over time pocket lint gets squished at the
| back of the port and stops the cable fitting in as snug. For
| some reason it seems to be more of a problem with USB-C ports
| than lightning ports.
| e44858 wrote:
| Did you try new cables? With USB-C the retaining spring is in
| the cable, so if it gets loose you just need to replace the
| cable. With Lightning the spring is inside the charge port in
| the device, so it's a lot more expensive to replace.
| [deleted]
| purplejacket wrote:
| I'm still rocking the iPhone 6. Thanks though.
| DavidSJ wrote:
| Meanwhile, ever since my upgrade to iOS 16, I'm asked for my
| passcode every time I attempt an iTunes backup.
|
| This is apparently by design, in order to address a security
| vulnerability: https://imazing.com/blog/ios-backup-passcode-
| prompt
|
| But surely Apple could fix this more properly, however I guess
| they don't care to support people who make limited use of iCloud.
| fsdjkflsjfsoij wrote:
| These presentations look like something straight out of some
| dystopian corporate hellscape fiction.
| bombcar wrote:
| I was expecting it to end with "all these presentations were
| rendered live on the A17 pro, on this iPhone". None of it
| really seems "real".
| 2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote:
| Hey, It's me. Did I wake you from your depression nap?
| tenpies wrote:
| _I could feel my social credit score rising with each nod in
| agreement, as the UN SDG AAA+ rated company, with WEF
| endorsement, told me how my consumerist lifestyle will not
| affect the global boiling._
| baq wrote:
| These were peaceful. The Vision Pro announcement earlier this
| year was basically a black mirror episode.
| rvnx wrote:
| The dad that was watching videos (or something like that) in
| his Vision Pro instead of spending time at his kids birthday.
| scop wrote:
| That and the lonesome father looking at photos of his
| (dead?) family in a dark apartment really left a bad
| impression from me on the headset that I can't shake. I
| will never "unsee" that. Sure, use it for work...but at
| home, no way. Baffled that Apple thought would jive well
| considering how much attention they put into those presos
| and makes me wonder how much of the headset marketing team
| is single & childless.
| astrange wrote:
| That's accurate dad behavior. Having cellphone cameras was
| a temporary decrease compared to holding a camcorder or
| viewfinder camera.
| sureglymop wrote:
| The "mother nature" sketch was... interesting. And throughout
| the presentation I thought well it seems this new generation
| iPhone doesn't bring anything new, it seems like a finished
| product. So not creating a new one every year would probably
| be better for the environment than whatever efforts and
| greenwashing they do engage in.
| bitcurious wrote:
| It's a bit bizarre, the presentation felt claustrophobic in a
| way I can't explain, and haven't experienced with their prior
| work.
| bombcar wrote:
| The excessive use of what felt like drone cameras, or steady
| cam, and continual camera movement played a part. It almost
| feels like they were trying to pretend you were watching it
| in AppleVision(tm).
| itronitron wrote:
| Thank you for the summary. I wasn't planning on watching it
| and certainly won't now.
| mewse-hn wrote:
| Yeah they're so type-A and "we are the best at this" that they
| end up being overproduced hostage videos with the presenters
| standing wide-legged and bug-eyed reciting very human words at
| the camera.
|
| The pandemic is over, bring back the theatre stage with a live
| audience.
| Waterluvian wrote:
| You might love the Devolver Digital E3 Press Conferences.
| They've done a masterful job dismantling the E3 presentation
| format, but I find it's generally true for all these kinds of
| longform corporate product ads.
|
| The first one is here from 2017:
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKgEsuEBhqI
| mcast wrote:
| I wish Apple would return to pre-COVID live keynotes. But that
| would mean demos would fail, wifi networks would be crowded,
| audible boos and gasps from price announcements. Yeah, Apple
| isn't going back anytime soon.
| cloogshicer wrote:
| Really hope you can map undo/redo to the action button on the
| Pro. I really wish there was a system-wide undo on iOS.
|
| Shake-to-undo doesn't count in my opinion.
| noja wrote:
| "Siri what is my blood glucose level?" during the Apple Watch
| (offline on-device Siri) section was a fake tease.
| dylan604 wrote:
| That whole presentation could have been 30 minutes shorter. It's
| a product announcement not an investors meeting. Show me the
| products. Make a sustainability PR as a separate piece. Get your
| name in the news twice. Seems strange
| [deleted]
| twobitshifter wrote:
| What about eleven?
| https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=d9JblG0O3Io&pp=ygUKY25ldCBhcHB...
| wilg wrote:
| Apple is bad at marketing is an interesting new take
| dylan604 wrote:
| Not every marketing piece is going to hit with all viewers.
| I'm sure some people felt emotionally affected by the opening
| piece about people's lives that were saved by their watch. It
| was just a very strange tone/vibe to open a product
| announcement. It's like the Sarah Mclachlan SPCA piece. It's
| not the thing you play when you want to pump someone up.
| Obviously the entire opening portion was to assuage consumer
| guilt in buying new about to be discussed. It just didn't sit
| well with me at all. So yes, in this case, the marketing was
| bad and failed for this member of the audience.
| delfinom wrote:
| Apple is out of things to market because they have reached
| maturity.
| gnicholas wrote:
| No one would watch the "Apple's getting rid of leather" video.
| And it would have seemed weak if their announcement was half
| the typical duration, signaling that there's not much new here.
| dylan604 wrote:
| yes, the entire first 30 minutes felt like vamping
| noja wrote:
| Woolnut have leather cases
| baby wrote:
| They are making really really hard not to switch to Android. I
| was just expecting a folding phone, and have been wanting a
| folding phone for years. Now Samsung has a mature folding phone
| that looks like a much better alternative...
| xutopia wrote:
| What does a folding phone solve that a non-folding phone
| doesn't?
| baby wrote:
| Bigger screen to read (papers) and watch videos.
| ChatGTP wrote:
| Really sad I bought a 14 with the lightning connector.
| ulkesh wrote:
| So the only compelling reason to upgrade from the 14 is...USB-C,
| where people are saying the 15 (non-Pro) runs at USB2 speeds?
|
| This was one of the most lackluster Apple launches in recent
| memory. I long for the day when Apple actually innovated on this
| product line. Now they're simply treading water and only making
| good changes when forced to (EU requiring USB-C).
|
| I will give credit where it is due for Apple -- the M2 MacBook
| Air is phenomenal, even as a software engineering platform. The
| form factor is fantastic, the weight is awesomely light, and it's
| a true joy to use. Sadly, innovation on macOS is about as bad as
| the iPhone, but I suppose I'm more okay with that because being
| my workhorse machine, I want predictable stability more than I
| want interesting features.
|
| Edit>> I love how people are asking "what are you doing with data
| transfer anyway?" Such deflection of the principle of the issue,
| but keep on trying as if any answer I'd give would satisfy the
| question. I adore Apple products, I don't adore a clear stab at
| yet more greed from the company that has had the top market cap
| for years now. I'm intelligent enough to see this for what it is,
| and not simply dismiss corporate greed because some people may
| not use the device the same way as others. Putting USB3.2 in
| these phones is possible. Putting Thunderbolt in these phones is
| possible, though that comes with the Intel complication. The tech
| exists and has for many years now. They chose not to bother on
| the lower end phones so they could create yet more divergence
| between the product lines trying to create FOMO for people so
| they'll buy the higher end phone.
| noahtallen wrote:
| I mean, everything is "better". If cameras are important to
| you, you now finally have a bigger sensor that allows for 2x
| zoom at around the existing quality. The chip is faster and
| more efficient, so battery will get better too.
|
| If you wait 2-3 years between phones, you get something that's
| more significantly better. I've seen tons of comments here and
| elsewhere saying the 15 isn't that compelling compared with the
| 14. Is it supposed to be? Updating your phone every year isn't
| _that_ common IRL. This is more compelling for people coming
| from iPhone 12 /13 or older.
| ajmurmann wrote:
| The changes between iPhone generations and phones in general
| used to be huge and always cause for excitement. IMO, it's a
| sign of maturity and welcome that phones are now making
| steady progress instead of frequent paradigm shifts. It felt
| like electric cars were in a similar state till quite
| recently where it felt like anything you buy will be quite
| outdated next year which is bad for a huge investment.
| n8cpdx wrote:
| Except it isn't compelling to people with an iPhone 12
| because we're on the third S year in a row. Design hasn't
| changed, camera bump has just gotten worse, yay USB-C but
| only nerds use that and everyone else will be pissed about
| needing new cables.
|
| It isn't compelling compared to anything after the 11, and
| they should be aiming higher.
| Terretta wrote:
| A bunch of their zoom comments appear to be the same thing as
| saying a DX sensor is a "zoom" of an FX sensor.
|
| No, its a smaller rectangle around fewer pixels, which when
| shown the same size, looks zoomed in.
|
| DX sensors are not "longer reach" than FX sensors with the
| same glass, they are cropped.
|
| Couldn't tell from the pitch if that's what Apple meant, but
| it sure seemed like they meant it's cropped, not zoomed.
| bdavbdav wrote:
| What are you doing with USB data on it?
| nardi wrote:
| My notes on the upgrade from 14 to 15 I took during the
| announcement: * Twice as bright screen *
| Dynamic Island * Smaller bezel * Contoured edge
| * New better plastic back * Big camera improvements
| - 48MP main camera vs. 24MP - Faster focus - Much
| better telephoto - Improved portrait mode *
| Better color * Better low-light performance *
| No shutter lag * Turn on portrait mode after the fact
| - Smart HDR for better lighting * Live voicemail
| transcription * Longer battery life? * Satellite
| emergency / roadside assistance
| sharkjacobs wrote:
| > So the only compelling reason to upgrade from the 14 is...
|
| Your brain has been rotted by product marketing and tech
| consumer hype fanaticism.
|
| If your phone is a year old then the only reasons to buy a new
| one are - you make a living developing software
| for that phone - you make a living writing about that
| phone - you are a hobbyist or enthusiast who loves phones
| and wants to spend disposable income on them
| tomaskafka wrote:
| Imo it's finally offering a bit better image quality than 5
| year old 12mpx sensor overprocessed into watercolor. At least I
| hope, iPhone 13 pro photos become a badly prompted stable
| diffusion once zoomed a bit.
| rahkiin wrote:
| What do you even use usb data transfer for? I have only ever
| used it for development which was quick enough with Lightning
| (also usb 2.0)
| darren_ wrote:
| You can still backup iPhones to your desktop instead of
| iCloud. At least for now.
| prepend wrote:
| I use it for backing up and restoring my phone to disk. It
| takes forever with these big drives so transfer rate is
| really nice.
|
| I don't do it frequently, but when I do I want it to take as
| short a time as possible.
| ulkesh wrote:
| Whatever I please. It's irrelevant what I may use it or not
| use it for.
|
| The point is that the technology now is far past USB 2 (and
| has been for some time despite Apple's persistence on using
| Lightning with such slower speeds) and the only reason they
| have for not putting USB 3 in the 15s (non-Pro) is greed.
| They were forced by the EU to convert to USB-C, so it looks
| to me as if they did the absolute minimal amount of work and
| effort to be any more consumer-friendly than they have to be.
| gpt5 wrote:
| You are attributing malice, but they explained things
| pretty clearly in the presentation.
|
| They are reusing the SoC of the 14 pro in the 15 (as they
| always do), which doesn't support USB 3. On the 15 pro they
| have support for USB 3, and you can bet it will propagate
| down the iPhone line next year.
| matonias wrote:
| The action button reminds me of the Mactini
| https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BGGOn-H7s3Q
| tibbydudeza wrote:
| "The fast and efficient A16 Bionic chip brings proven performance
| to iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Plus, powering the Dynamic Island,
| computational photography capabilities, and more. With two high-
| performance cores that use 20 percent less power and four high-
| efficiency cores, the 6-core CPU is faster than the previous
| generation and easily handles intensive tasks while delivering
| extraordinary battery life. The 5-core GPU has 50 percent more
| memory bandwidth for smooth graphics when streaming videos and
| playing games. A new 16-core Neural Engine is capable of nearly
| 17 trillion operations per second,"
|
| Even Apple can't resist the numbers geekery - it's just a phone -
| nothing revolutionary.
| mattlondon wrote:
| Finally! At last they adopt USB-C!
|
| This has been the only reason I've not been using an iPhone for
| some time now.
|
| I _love_ just having one cable that charges everything (phone,
| laptop, headphones, tablet, you name it - desk fans, white noise
| machines, thermometers, cameras etc etc etc)
| jcrash wrote:
| Me too. Really like USB-C.
|
| My only problem is that I wish it was easier to tell what
| cables can do what things. Only some of my cables are able to
| connect to displays/power my laptop
| lykahb wrote:
| Next year breakthrough announcement for iPhone 16: the 3.5mm jack
| is back.
| mikece wrote:
| But is Apple going to sell a Lightning to USB-C adapter? What the
| hell am I going to do with all of my lightning cables????
|
| UPDATE: Okay, that was a tongue-in-cheek comment but Apple is
| doing the most Apple possible thing: they really are going to
| sell a $29 (?!) adapter that will allow you to use your Lightning
| charging cables to charge the new USB-C iPhones:
|
| https://9to5mac.com/2023/09/12/apple-usb-c-to-lightning-adap...
| ZekeSulastin wrote:
| The same thing you did ten years ago when they got rid of the
| 30-pin cable?
| [deleted]
| jmkni wrote:
| Ah yes, the drawer!
| tmn wrote:
| The same thing you do with all of your lightning interfacing
| devices?
| post_break wrote:
| You can find dozens on amazon that do just that.
| rdtsc wrote:
| I like USB-C, but do I want to spend $800 for USB-C? Probably
| not.
| bilsbie wrote:
| I thought we were getting a better zoom lens? I guess not?
|
| I'd really get a lot of use out of 4 or 6x.
|
| I also wish they'd stop editing the pictures so much. It's
| decided I should have gray hair even though I don't in real life.
| Really strange.
|
| Oh and it destroys sunset photos. I get completely different
| colors than I see with my eyes for sunsets.
| saiya-jin wrote:
| Apple has bad color balance for quite a few years, it can also
| manifest like this. People not knowing much about actual
| photography see it as cool instagrameish tweak, and who
| generally doesnt like to imitate more successful people they
| follow (I guess successful happy balanced people who dont need
| to follow others).
|
| I have physical 10x zoom lens on my samsung. Its a massive
| advantage in almost any situation barring almost total
| darkness. I take of pictures where subjects are clearly visible
| and take most of the frame, compared to everybody else with
| phone who has tiny figures who go to smears when digitally
| zoomed. If for nothing else, i am not changing the brand, good
| pics of my kids are simply too valuable to us.
|
| If Samsung can do it, I am sure Apple can do it even better. No
| clue why they dont.
| rumblerock wrote:
| I was really surprised when the most disappointing feature of
| my 14 Pro was the camera. The overprocessing is horrendous in
| low light, and the constant switching between lenses is
| annoying when taking everyday photos.
|
| It's funny because in contrast to the old perception of Android
| phones being fiddly and iPhones "just working", Google's camera
| software has been way more point and shoot since the original
| Pixel. Sure, it's also hyper-processed, but in my experience it
| provided a more reliably "good" result across a range of
| situations.
|
| And whereas Pixel software updates just kept delivering better
| and better photos on the same hardware, I know with this 14 Pro
| I'm going to be stuck with this out of the box performance
| until I upgrade in several years.
|
| End rant.
| kemayo wrote:
| There's a better zoom in the Pro Max. 5x.
|
| This is consistent with all the rumors, which were all-in on
| "the biggest Pro is getting the new camera tech".
| hnburnsy wrote:
| Am I the only one who dislikes the rounded corners on the iPhone
| which appear even more pronounced on the 15.
| warthog wrote:
| Another unnecessarily long event with essentially meaningless
| long sentences and long pauses to show off the new Iphone,
| exactly the same one as before, $100 more expensive.
|
| I will buy it though. Gotta get rid of my Iphone 7. Time has come
| fckgw wrote:
| It's the same price as last year?
| nu11ptr wrote:
| Dynamic Island, USB-C and camera enhancements make me glad this
| is my upgrade year (I have a 12). I will probably grab the base
| Pro model for $200 more due to even better camera though, but I
| would be pretty happy with the 15 regular as well. I stopped with
| the big phones a few years ago... the battery bump is nice, but
| my phone goes everywhere and I prefer the regular size in my hand
| and pocket.
| jonplackett wrote:
| I'm keeping my 12 Pro Max another year.
|
| It takes great photos. I never use the port. Dynamic Island is
| an Emperor's new clothes marketing scam where they've just
| moved the bezel even more in the way than it was and managed to
| convince people it's a good thing.
| mint2 wrote:
| I don't quite get all the comments that are expressing
| disappointment- I think the camera and particularly the zoom is
| a great upgrade versus my 12 pro, and there's a bunch of other
| nice to haves.
|
| I'll probably upgrade next year though not this one. Expecting
| major improvements and new features every year is odd to me.
|
| These incremental gains add up over the 3-4 years that I feel
| is a reasonable minimum phone life.
| fdsafdsa32va wrote:
| > Expecting major improvements and new features every year is
| odd to me.
|
| I think that has to do with Apple's own
| presentation/marketing. They make the announcement into a big
| thing.
| mint2 wrote:
| Do people expect Apple to proclaim "our new version has
| incremental upgrades, only buy if your phone is a couple
| years out of date"?
|
| Product launches are always a lot of theatrics regardless
| of the company.
|
| I don't think anyone actually takes them any more seriously
| than a mcdonalds ad implying eating their hamburger will
| make one more like the cool sports star being paid a
| million to hold the hamburger.
| vidoc wrote:
| Curious what's going on with the stance of presenters? If you
| look carefully they all stand in a certain way, with a space
| between their feet that appears to be constant.
| ttepasse wrote:
| Back in the 2010s there was a TED Talker/grifter who advocated
| a wider stance to project power and confidence. For a time that
| notion must have been picked up by political consultants,
| leading in the UK to the so-called Tory Power Stance:
|
| https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/apr/30/sajid-javid...
|
| Of course, connoisseurs of the historical documentary series
| "Blackadder" know that this has a tradition going back to
| Regency times.
| nvm0n2 wrote:
| You're referring to Amy Cuddy, promoter of "Power Posing" and
| one of the top 100 most inspiring women according to the BBC:
|
| https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-41521671
|
| It was later discovered that her work was fraudulent and her
| coauthor walked back the claims.
| elboru wrote:
| It feels like it's the same person doing the presentation just
| face swapping for each section.
| KeplerBoy wrote:
| Maybe that's actually the case. Jensen Huang has done it, and
| it certainly cuts down on the filming and rehearsing time.
| codeflo wrote:
| They all have the same coach that tells them it looks
| energetic.
|
| They also all have the same script writer, and they all
| *emphasize* *words* in the *same* *powerful* *exciting* *way*.
|
| I'm old enough to remember that Apple presentations, while
| being clearly marketing exercises, used to be a lot more
| organic and flowing.
| vagab0nd wrote:
| > I'm old enough to remember that Apple presentations, while
| being clearly marketing exercises, used to be a lot more
| organic and flowing.
|
| Remember Jobs ordering 4000 Latte to-go from Starbucks?
| manifoldgeo wrote:
| I've only watched Tim Cook's introduction, but it sounds like
| his voice is being shifted (autotuned) to sound pitch-perfect.
| It's pretty uncanny valley and off-putting imho.
| djaychela wrote:
| I didn't notice that as I don't really know his voice, but he
| definitely sounded weird to me.
| ryandrake wrote:
| They seem to be doing the same weird hand gestures, too. So
| strange, like corporate gang signs.
| ericzawo wrote:
| How many lightning cables are going to end up in the Great
| Pacific Garbage Patch in the next two years?
| bambax wrote:
| > _USB-C is going to mean I can get rid of all these lightning
| cables_
|
| Bought a Motorola G6 in 2018 for EUR199. It takes "fantastic"
| photos, and came in a "stunning new" (!?) color of black(ish).
| It's pretty much indestructible, runs Firefox with uBlock Origin,
| and it's "better for the environment" because every year you
| don't buy a new phone, the environment is happy.
|
| It also has USB-C, and a 3.5 jack.
| dang wrote:
| We detached this subthread from
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37485328. (There's nothing
| wrong with it - I'm just trying to prune the top-heavy thread)
| LeifCarrotson wrote:
| My G6 has lately been getting extremely laggy. 8 seconds to
| launch Firefox + uBlock, 4 seconds to get a keyboard after
| tapping the address bar; I don't use it much for more than
| texting or calling people, but it's a bit ridiculous. And there
| used to be plenty of space on the 32 GB built-in storage (and
| there's always abundant space on my 256 GB uSD for photos and
| media) but even with fewer apps installed now there's less
| space available.
|
| Have you ever had to reflash yours or anything like that?
| unixhero wrote:
| Please don't come here with rational arguments :)
|
| A Volkswagen is a better buy than a Porsche for most - pretty
| much a comparable market positioning
| scns wrote:
| Just bought a Moto g42 for ~113EUR. Gonna buy another one as a
| spare since one of my hobbies is destroying mobile phones. My
| favourite phone so far. OLED display, Headphone jack, 5000mA
| battery, LineageOS support (Android 13, Motorola still on 12),
| totally worth it IMHO.
| throwaway29812 wrote:
| Congrats. A lot of people don't like Android, it's not a big
| deal either way.
| [deleted]
| matchbok wrote:
| Android phones need replaced much more often than iPhones, due
| to how slow they get and lack of updates. There is a reason the
| resale value of iPhones is 2-5x any Android phone.
| moomin wrote:
| It hasn't seen a security update since 2020, though, so it's
| not for everyone.
| xvolter wrote:
| > and it's "better for the environment" because every year you
| don't buy a new phone, the environment is happy.
|
| This seems wrong. I am still on an iPhone Xs Max from 2018 and
| it still gets software updates. It looks like the last software
| update on the G6 was in 2020. The lack of even security patches
| limits the life of the phone for many people.
|
| The primary reason I'll eventually need to upgrade is because
| of 5G support. Coverage is getting worse as 3G has been
| shutdown and all new towers are focusing on 5G. My battery life
| sucks now too, but that can solved easily.
| jrockway wrote:
| I also still have an XS and don't plan on upgrading until
| updates stop. I thought it was this cycle, but apparently
| not. Supported until 2025. That's pretty reasonable!
| grecy wrote:
| Heck, I'm still using a 6S.
|
| Works perfectly, and I didn't really care when I smacked a
| ratchet into it and cracked the screen a month ago.
| noahtallen wrote:
| The older iPhones still hold resale value pretty well too,
| which means most iPhones have a second life as a "cheap"
| option. Combined with the software updates you mentioned,
| that's pretty good for the environment. The best case
| scenario is most iPhones get to be used by multiple people
| and new iPhones contain a lot of recycled material. That's
| not too far from reality.
|
| The problem with tech is nothing is ever "good enough." Sure,
| you could make a phone that is durable for 10 years... but
| someone will invent new battery chemistry, CPUs will get
| considerably more powerful/efficient, and Sony will come
| along with even better camera sensors.
|
| So it's really not possible for that high-end "old" phone to
| keep up after a few years. That's true for most consumer
| tech, even if the pace is slowing down somewhat. An expensive
| LED TV from 2013 will not compare favorably with a good value
| mid-range one today.
|
| We can either stop innovating, which is also bad for the
| environment (technology improvements allow for vast
| efficiency and energy-use improvements in a huge range of
| products), or we can make sure things have a lot of re-use
| value. That can be done through the used market with good
| repairability and software support, and by making sure phones
| can be recycled and also use a lot of recycled materials.
| [deleted]
| dopidopHN wrote:
| I have a 2016 Apple phone and it was updated until last year. I
| moved anything critical out of it.
|
| Still work like a charm
| throwaway54_56 wrote:
| The charging cable was obviously not the leading factor when
| the purchase decision was made. It doesn't matter much that a
| different platform that runs different software and has
| different capabilities had models available with USB-C.
| Different phones for different folks and that's ok.
|
| In any case, I welcome USB-C to the iPhone world.
| babypuncher wrote:
| I think people forget that Lightning predates USB-C by a few
| years, and the alternative at the time (USB Micro B) was hot
| garbage.
|
| Should Apple have stuck with Lightning for an entire decade?
| No. But any switch away from Lightning was going to cause
| pain for customers already invested in the ecosystem, and
| there was a time when that ecosystem actually made the most
| sense.
| nirvdrum wrote:
| I think it has a bigger impact than you realize. The last
| iPhone I owned was the 3GS. I don't particularly like iPhone
| or Android; I'm hardly a fan boy. But, I'm seriously looking
| a iPhone 15 variant as my next phone.
|
| I have USB-C for virtually everything and have no interest in
| dealing with keeping a second set of cables for one device.
| It's an extra expense, headache, and environmental waste I
| don't want. The change to USB-C makes an iPhone a viable
| option for me. I look forward to a refreshed SE line with
| USB-C as well.
|
| I'm not thrilled about all the cables and dongles/adapters
| eventually going to landfills, but believe the move will be
| better in the long-run. I wish Apple made the move earlier.
| shiftpgdn wrote:
| Android is notorious for aging out phones much faster than
| Apple. You could use 8+ year old phones with the latest
| security updates up until very recently.
| forty wrote:
| It depends on the brand. Look at FairPhone if you care about
| durability, they are amazing. The recent FP5 might last 10
| years. (happy owner of a FP3)
| saiya-jin wrote:
| By far the biggest intrusion window these days is your
| browser. Latest firefox with ublock origin is simply the
| safest of them all, saving bandwidth, blocking youtube ads,
| saving battery, your eyes and so on.
|
| Plus, currently plenty of androids have 5-6 years of
| guaranteed security updates. To be honest I wouldnt ever want
| to use much older phones even if patched up to date, too
| clunky, making bad photos (I have kids so this is top
| priority), not up to most network standards and so on
| rz2k wrote:
| While Firefox on iPhones does not allow extensions like
| uBlock Origin, Orion browser will allow you to install both
| Firefox and Chrome extensions, including uBlock Origin.
| WD-42 wrote:
| I tried Orion. It's super unstable. I don't know what
| tricks they are trying to play, but they clearly aren't
| working.
| geoah wrote:
| On IOS 17 orion starts and nothing works. Been like this
| for some time.
| the_gipsy wrote:
| That's Impossible.
| scarface_74 wrote:
| Which Android phones have 5-6 years of security updates?
| bad_user wrote:
| Samsung promised 3 or 4 years of updates in 2019, and
| then updated that pledge to 5 years for the flagships.
| What's exciting about Samsung's pledge is that it made
| this promise for some of the mid-range models in the A
| series, which are fairly affordable.
|
| My S21 Ultra is in its 3rd year and regularly updated.
| Should get 5 years of updates, and I intend to keep it
| until then.
|
| Also, the writing is on the wall that the EU will force
| phone makers to years of updates, changeable batteries
| and availability of spare parts.
|
| It's also noteworthy that Google has the ability to
| update many system services via Google Play. The poor
| track record of updates from phone makers basically
| demanded it. In other words, an Android device that
| hasn't received any system updates in a year or two is
| still fairly usable.
| mongol wrote:
| I have an A70..I was just looking for when it will lose
| its software updates. The last update I have is from Dec
| 22, but I can't find information when it will expire.
| bad_user wrote:
| Indeed, last update is from Dec-22. A70 should have
| gotten 4 years of security updates.
|
| https://doc.samsungmobile.com/sm-a705fn/sek/doc.html
|
| Looking at this list of devices getting updates, it only
| lists A70s with "biannual" updates, so A70 may no longer
| be updated:
|
| https://security.samsungmobile.com/workScope.smsb
| mongol wrote:
| Indeed, some useful links you found there. Thank you!
| technofiend wrote:
| You asked which Android phones get five years of security
| updates? Directly from Google, only the Pixel 6 and up,
| most likely in reaction to Apple's better support
| policies. Other manufacturers? You have to research it
| because it varies:
| https://www.androidauthority.com/phone-update-
| policies-16586...
|
| Ideally Google would mandate a minimum number of years
| for both feature and security updates that matches theirs
| of three and five, respectively. Having said that, these
| really are wasting assets thanks to storage wearing out,
| but that's true of all phones, regardless of
| manufacturer.
| pmontra wrote:
| My Samsung A40 from 2019 should have security updates
| until 2024. It's still getting them but not as often as
| in the first 3 years.
| wredue wrote:
| Probably all of them, but that's only cause, unless
| things have changed, it takes 3 years to get said updates
| in the first place.
|
| I remember before I switched to iPhone I would wait and
| wait and wait and wait for the latest android and updates
| and a whole new version of android would roll out before
| I would even get the previous version.
| FirmwareBurner wrote:
| Samsung provides 5
| scarface_74 wrote:
| So a Samsung phone from 2018 is still getting operating
| system updates or security updates?
| bad_user wrote:
| Their pledge has started in 2019, and the promise for 5
| years of updates is fairly new. I remember they first
| promised 3 or 4 years of security updates.
|
| For what is worth, I have a Galaxy Tab S6 from 2019 that
| is still getting security updates, although it wasn't
| updated to Android 13:
| https://doc.samsungmobile.com/SM-T865/ROM/doc.html
| scarface_74 wrote:
| How are those operating system updates?
|
| For reference, the latest version of iOS will run on 5
| year old iPhones when it is released.
| bad_user wrote:
| Apple has unparalleled support for older devices, I think
| we agree.
|
| For operating system updates, Samsung pledged 4 years of
| updates for the flagships starting with S21.
|
| The difference between Android versions isn't big. I also
| mentioned in another comment that on Android, to cope
| with phone makers not pushing for system updates, Google
| can update many system components via Google Play. And
| apps remain compatible. Being 2 versions behind the
| latest Android is OK.
| thegeekpirate wrote:
| The Google ones do since the... 6a iirc?
| Descon wrote:
| Pixel 6 onwards have 5 years
| https://www.androidpolice.com/google-pixel-os-update-
| length/
| scarface_74 wrote:
| OS updated for only 3 years after release and security
| updates for 5? This is still really bad.
| jsight wrote:
| It really isn't, given how much of Android will get
| updated during those security fixes only years. Many of
| the builtin apps will still receive feature updates,
| likely even beyond that window.
| scarface_74 wrote:
| Compared to iOS 17 running on 5 year old phones and the
| 10 year old iPhone 5s getting a security update earlier
| this year?
| jsight wrote:
| I have an ancient ipad. It still gets major updates, but
| not necessarily all of the best features from those
| updates. Maybe that is a hardware limitation or maybe
| not.
|
| I also have a Pixel 5. It received Magic Eraser, which
| used to be a key feature of newer Pixels, as part of a
| regular Photos app update.
|
| I'm still getting major updates too, but, tbh, they
| aren't that critical. Chrome, GMail, Maps, YouTube,
| Calendar, Messaging, the app store itself (including UI)
| and the core web browser will keep getting updates well
| beyond the end of life.
|
| There really isn't a direct comparison here, but I
| wouldn't switch in either direction due to updates.
| nani8ot wrote:
| Iirc Apple iOS includes more features than Android in the
| core OS. Google Services still receive updates and only
| things like the UI and system settings stay the same.
| Most people I know don't care at all about updates.
|
| But I agree, it's great how Apple supports devices for 6
| years with major updates. It would also be possible for
| Android phones if SoC & phones manufacturer actually
| cared.
| scarface_74 wrote:
| Anytime a new version of iOS is released, usually within
| the first 6 months it is on 80%+ of the phones
| camhart wrote:
| I don't know a single person using an 8+ year old phone. I'd
| guess 99% of the population makes a phone last 2-4 years.
| croes wrote:
| But why?
|
| It seems the only progress is the camera and the CPU, but
| for what more CPU speed? The camera?
| vel0city wrote:
| Several of the phones I've upgraded from were due to the
| onboard storage wearing out. A couple were because of
| water damage, which is less of a concern these days.
| runamok wrote:
| For me at least the battery seems to degrade
| significantly after 2+ years. I have a OnePlus 7t that is
| 3 years old and I use it heavily almost every day. I
| should consider wiping it to see if that improves battery
| life.
| fnordpiglet wrote:
| Wow, I don't think that's true at all. Most people can't
| afford a new phone that frequently. I know amongst my
| techno elite friends your estimate holds, but for almost
| everyone else I know they rarely upgrade and it's more
| about when it physically falls apart than any desire to
| participate in an upgrade cycle.
| scarface_74 wrote:
| In the US, all of the major carriers offer 0% interest
| payment plans. Even the MVNOs offer low end iPhones "for
| free" with a contract.
|
| We don't have to limit it to people you know
|
| People upgrade their phones about once every 2.5 years
|
| https://www.refurb.me/blog/how-long-does-a-smartphone-
| last-r...
| fnordpiglet wrote:
| 0% interest isn't $0/m. When you live paycheck to
| paycheck, as most Americans do, that's a very important
| detail. Most people don't have disposable income.
|
| But even that do they don't value phone upgrades. When I
| see their ancient phones I sometimes remark they can get
| a phone with monthly terms and they just shrug and say
| the sad device with cracked screens and ancient cameras
| and crap display resolution and brightness is good enough
| for them. It baffles me, but most people just use their
| phone for texting, occasionally a map, and a crappy
| camera. Only in my tech friend circle do people keep up.
| scarface_74 wrote:
| _Most_ Americans aren't living paycheck to paycheck where
| $20 /month is going to mean they starve.
|
| You can easily look up the average time between phone
| upgrades is between 2-3 years.
| hotnfresh wrote:
| My carrier offers them 0% interest, rolled into your
| phone plan payment.
|
| But, go figure, the sticker price is like 10-15% higher
| than on the Apple site.
|
| They just hid the interest in the price.
| scarface_74 wrote:
| That isn't true for T-mobile. But even so, you can always
| just buy from Apple with a 0% interest payment plan
| hotnfresh wrote:
| iPhone 14 128GB on t-mobile's site: $829 (zero-interest
| roll-into-your-phone-bill financing available)
|
| Same, on Apple's site: $699
|
| IDK, maybe apple price-dropped today and T-Mobile hasn't
| caught up, but that's similar to what I've seen in the
| past when I've looked at buying through them.
| skywhopper wrote:
| Weird, I don't know anyone that keeps their phone for less
| than five years.
| scarface_74 wrote:
| And I'm sure you don't know "anyone that still watches
| TV" like the old Slashdot meme.
|
| It's really not that hard to find statistics. It's 2.5 -
| 3 years
|
| https://www.refurb.me/blog/how-long-does-a-smartphone-
| last-r...
|
| https://www.pcmag.com/news/the-2-year-mobile-phone-
| upgrade-c...
| ryandrake wrote:
| My iPhone 7 will be 7 years old in a few days, so close. I
| haven't found the need for anything that has gone into new
| phones since then that would justify the cost.
| avn2109 wrote:
| My daily driver phone is an iPhone 7+, which Wikipedia
| tells me is from 2016. It works great and people often
| compliment the pictures from its camera. That's not "8+
| years old" but it's in the ballpark :)
| throwaway54_56 wrote:
| The lifespan of those phones remains for the people that
| buy them used/refurbished. There is a strong secondary
| market for iPhones.
| woodruffw wrote:
| Not sure about 8 years, but I know at least 3 people who
| use iPhone 8s still and have no intention of stopping, so
| that's 6 years. I know at least one person who had an
| iPhone 5 until it broke earlier this year.
| szundi wrote:
| Father as business development manager manages with
| iphone 7
| kaba0 wrote:
| I guess this will only lengthen as we go forward, as the
| initial jumps between successive phones were large, and
| they are much more incremental nowadays. An iphone XS is
| good for 5 more years easily.
| llimllib wrote:
| I try to use mine for 5 years each, I jumped from the 8
| to the 14 earlier this year
| bombcar wrote:
| I only stopped using the 8+ because it got destroyed, and
| "upgrading" to a newer used one was almost the same
| price. Otherwise I'd still be rocking that touch button.
| thinkmassive wrote:
| Anecdata: I have a friend who refuses to update from an
| original iPhone SE because he hates the larger form factors
| AND because it functions perfectly fine for his needs.
|
| I know multiple people still using an iPhone X (2018), for
| whom cost is not an issue.
|
| The main reason for the majority of the general population
| to upgrade is because the phone literally breaks (screen,
| stops charging, radio malfunctions, etc)
| nerdbert wrote:
| Mine is 6 years old, my wife and son are both using 8-year-
| old iphones. They still get security updates.
| zie wrote:
| I'm at 5yrs(iPhone XR), though I do plan on replacing my
| phone with a new iPhone 15 later this year or early next.
| TheAtomic wrote:
| On a 6 year old iPhone 6 here. Solid, charges quick, no
| battery issues, good pics, you name it. I may upgrade to go
| all USB-C but may wait to see if the 15 has issues.
| flanbiscuit wrote:
| I've been with Android since my the very first G1. I'm not an
| iPhone hater, I think they are great phones, I'm just happy
| with Android (for now) and see little reason to switch yet.
| That being said, the one thing that could probably make me
| switch is this issue right here.
|
| I have the Pixel 5a, it was released in August 2021 and
| Google only guarantees support for that model up to August
| 2024, that is for both full OS updates and just security
| patches. As of the Pixel 6 series and after, you get 3 years
| of full OS updates, and 5 years of security patches (that's 2
| extra years after full OS updates stop).
|
| To compare, the iPhone 13 series was released in September
| 2021 and will continue to get support up to 7 years after its
| release (Sept 2028).
|
| So far my Pixel 5a has been the best (reliability-wise) phone
| I've ever hard and it sucks to know that after August 2024,
| I'll be vulnerable to future security vulnerabilities.
|
| Samsung offer only slightly better support by increasing the
| full OS support to 4 years instead of Google's 3 for the
| Pixel. Same 5 year for security patch. That's not enough for
| me to go back to Samsung and deal with their OS bloated with
| apps I can't uninstall (it's been a while, maybe it's
| better?)
|
| sources:
|
| https://support.google.com/nexus/answer/4457705?hl=en
|
| https://www.androidpolice.com/samsung-four-year-update-
| list-...
|
| https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT201624
| galangalalgol wrote:
| My 4a potentially just got its last update. If I don't any
| security updates going forward, not sure if I'll put a
| third party image on it or toss it. I'll probably try the
| first, and if it does work well, the second.
| nani8ot wrote:
| GrapheneOS receives OS updates for another year. It's
| pretty simple to flash with a web-based installer.
|
| If it feels too slow, try disabling "Secure app
| spawning". It's a security improvement over Google's
| Android by GrapheneOS but increases app startup time.
| Especially on slower devices like the 4a.
| rglullis wrote:
| And? My android phones last on average 3 years, do everything
| I need and cost less than EUR200. The exception is the
| current Fairphone 3 I am using, which I paid 350EUR and I am
| expecting to use for at least 5 years, possibly 7. How can
| one justify paying 3x the cost if not just to continue
| keeping myself tied into Apple?
| eBombzor wrote:
| The hardware on those 300 euro phones are awful. iPhones
| last longer in both software support and actual usability.
|
| > How can one justify paying 3x the cost if not just to
| continue keeping myself tied into Apple?
|
| It's not rocket science. The experience you get using an
| iPhone vs a cheap Android for 5 years is not even close to
| comparable, and while you do pay a ridiculous premium for
| an iPhone, there are obvious reasons why someone would want
| to.
|
| And this is coming from a long time Pixel user.
| rglullis wrote:
| The hardware is _just fine_. My old Nokia 6 from 2018 can
| still play Mario Kart _just fine_.
|
| I hate to see that I am starting to sound like an
| activist, but I also hate to see how even the supposedly
| smarter-than-average people in tech lose all sense of
| perspective when they see shiny overpriced trinkets.
|
| Why should we care if "the experience is not even close
| to comparable", if it is brought by a trillion dollar
| corporation who denies people even the most basic rights
| and fights as dirty as it can to keep its unfair
| advantages?
|
| (And please notice that the above paragraph also applies
| to Google and Samsung, so please don't make it sound that
| I am arguing for team Android here)
| nerdbert wrote:
| My iphone is currently 6 years old, and still getting
| security updates from Apple. It works as well as it ever
| did (I spent EUR60-ish for a battery replacement a year or
| two ago), and I hope to get at least another year out of it
| yet.
|
| It cost me about EUR600, and I also enjoy knowing that I've
| generated that much less e-waste compared to my prior
| Android life, where I had to discard phones every 2 or 3
| years.
| rglullis wrote:
| First, let me point to Fairphone which is also providing
| 7 years minimum of updates, but most importantly, it does
| not lock me into their OS and I can install anything I
| want (in the case, MurenaOS).
|
| Second, I'd love to be proven wrong, but I can bet good
| money that if we look at a distribution of activated
| iphones per model, we will see that most users probably
| stay a lot less than 6-7 years.
|
| Third, it's not about iPhone vs Android. It's the fact
| that we are discussing things like "getting security
| updates" when in fact we should be asking ourselves "why
| aren't we free to install whatever system we want on _our
| own device_? " I don't really care so much about the fact
| your phone cost 600 or 6000EUR, what bugs me to no end is
| that we are effectively paying trillion-dollar
| corporations to let them remove our freedoms.
| mattl wrote:
| iPhone SE 2022 is $429 and will likely get updates for a
| similar amount of time as the OP mentioned.
|
| Not every iPhone is over $800.
| rglullis wrote:
| That's still more than the Fairphone, which has to deal
| with the overhead of sourcing materials and paying fair
| wages to everyone in the supply chain.
| mattl wrote:
| https://www.techradar.com/reviews/fairphone-3-review#sect
| ion...
|
| $500 in 2019 is $597 now.
|
| 450 Euro in 2019 is 533 Euro now.
|
| That's enough to buy an iPhone 13 and skip the SE model
| entirely.
| rglullis wrote:
| Is that what the majority of people are buying, or are
| you just pushing down some numbers while forgetting that
| it does not reflect the reality of the consumer market?
| mattl wrote:
| My last two iPhones have been the SE model and I know a
| number of friends who have one. The previous smaller
| iPhone SE (2016) was a lovely phone and still getting
| updates.
| rglullis wrote:
| _something-something-anecdata..._
|
| - Most people change phones every 2 to 3 years.
|
| - iPhone SE/mini accounts for less than 25% of the units
| sold.
| [deleted]
| londons_explore wrote:
| Ancient android might not get security updates, but is
| actually still very usable. The vast majority of apps will
| still at least run and talk to their servers on a 10 year old
| phone.
| FredPret wrote:
| How is it usable if it is insecure? People bank on these
| things.
| tssk wrote:
| Motorola G6 Plus (and many other Android phones) is
| supported by LineageOS which is up-to-date version with
| security updates.
|
| https://wiki.lineageos.org/devices/evert/
| Arbortheus wrote:
| I used to run LineageOS and some banking apps would not
| work as I had to unlock my bootloader.
| badrequest wrote:
| So to have an old phone that is still secure you have to
| know how to flash an OS onto a phone?
| 867-5309 wrote:
| did you install the security systems for your house or
| car?
| hiq wrote:
| This is misleading, as the firmware (binary blobs) most
| likely do not get updates.
| londons_explore wrote:
| [flagged]
| taway32r41 wrote:
| The U.S. Senate begs to differ.
|
| Consumers defrauded on Zelle are left high and dry by the
| banks that created it [pdf] (senate.gov)
|
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37438934
| SamReidHughes wrote:
| Transactions where you got scammed aren't the same thing
| as unauthorized transactions.
| taway32r41 wrote:
| "Banks are not repaying customers who contest
| "unauthorized" Zelle payments - potentially violating
| federal law and CFPB rules."
|
| I suppose you and Senator Warren have different
| definitions for unauthorized.
| SamReidHughes wrote:
| So, actually, 47% of them by dollar amount, according to
| the report you quoted. Selectively quoted. Why do you
| behave this way?
|
| Here's a question for you to think about: Why do they
| reverse some claims but not others?
| mikeweiss wrote:
| Yeah.. good luck with that !
| constantly wrote:
| It's not that you're completely and totally wrong that
| makes me mad, it's that you state everything with such an
| authoritative tone that people won't doubt it and will
| get into a bad situation based on what you're saying.
| londons_explore wrote:
| > Once you notify your bank or credit union about an
| unauthorized transaction (that is, a charge or withdrawal
| you didn't make or allow), it generally has ten business
| days to investigate the issue. The bank or credit union
| must correct an error within one business day after
| determining that an error has occurred.
|
| [1] https://www.consumerfinance.gov/ask-cfpb/how-do-i-
| get-my-mon....
| frumper wrote:
| I've had multiple family members wait months to sort
| things out like that. Visa fraud experience is usually
| immediate, checking/savings accounts not so much.
| [deleted]
| jsight wrote:
| He's using Firefox with updates. I guess they still
| provide browser updates for his version. TBH, that
| mitigates most of the real vulnerabilities.
|
| It may even receive system web browser updates, as those
| tend to go on for much longer than OS updates with
| Android.
|
| With a little care, it is likely to be fine.
| downWidOutaFite wrote:
| These days "security" has been perverted so it is mostly
| not about protecting you from attackers, it's about
| preventing you from accessing your own data or running
| the apps that you want. You are the threat that they are
| securing against. Less "secure" means more freedom for
| you. Less "secure" can also mean more real security for
| you since you have to leave the mainstream which is what
| actual attackers target.
| mqus wrote:
| Kitkat(Android 4.4) is 10 years old and I have experience
| with it. You can't update Signal since last year and you
| can't use it anymore since soon after that. Whatsapp didn't
| work anymore after May. And most(all?) of the phones bought
| 10 years ago didn't have kitkat yet.
|
| Those two are the apps that survived the longest (Try
| getting any matrix client to work on it). Others broke
| sooner, most of them because the app developer has to
| enable TLS1.2 to be able to use it for HTTP APIs and many
| web servers disabled responding to older versions a while
| ago. Firefox (the one which allowed all extensions) still
| works. Great! But I can't message anyone anymore. On a
| phone.
|
| TBH I put most of the blame here on app developers
| (supporting older stuff is not that hard) and some of it on
| the device manufacturers.
| semiquaver wrote:
| Who is updating the trust store? With root certs from 10
| years ago a lot of TLS connections will not work.
| baq wrote:
| I have a nexus 5x which I wanted to repurpose for...
| anything at all. It can't even update itself anymore. Play
| services update just locks up or whatever. Play store is
| broken and can't install anything. The thing is useless as
| a smartphone.
|
| My iPad 5 got an iOS update last month-ish? And a security
| patch last week. All of my kids run iPhone 8.
| londons_explore wrote:
| you need to install the f-droid store. most google apps
| still work, but you can't use recent versions of them.
| squokko wrote:
| Using a non-updated device on the Internet is not smart if
| you have any personal information on the phone.
| londons_explore wrote:
| Plenty of people do it... And it doesn't actually
| backfire often - the worst that seems to happen is your
| phone will self-install unremovable adware if you visit
| the wrong website.
|
| A complete reset solves it tho.
| la_oveja wrote:
| system might not be updated, but apps are. its not the
| end of the world in a realistic setting
| The_Colonel wrote:
| An anecdote, but I've never heard anybody from my social
| circles to have their phone hacked. I keep reading about
| all these holes, but somehow they don't seem to be widely
| exploited in the real world.
| mikeweiss wrote:
| I'd actually like to see a list of real world security
| incidents that occured on EOL android devices. Not out of
| date browsers. (Chrome can still be updated) but devices
| no longer getting OS security updates.. something tells
| me it's very very rarely if ever an actual issue in real
| life.
| taway32r41 wrote:
| I'm not going to do a lot of research here but one thing
| I remember reading about was an uptick in Android
| Ransomware.
|
| https://www.microsoft.com/en-
| us/security/blog/2020/10/08/sop...
|
| In the article it explains how Google and the ransomers
| are doing a cat and mouse thing. If your phone is not
| keeping up, that could definitely be an issue.
| scarface_74 wrote:
| Actually, Apple released a security update for iPhone 5s
| (2013) earlier this year.
| joecool1029 wrote:
| Just installed 15.7.9 on the original iPhone SE (2016).
| Came out yesterday?
| orangepurple wrote:
| This is why LineageOS is so critical
| rhuru wrote:
| Those people who point out that these phones don't receive
| regular updates, please note that at $199 you can buy a new
| phone every 4 years and still be more environment friendly.
| kaba0 wrote:
| Then buy a used iphone, which will not be made obsolete a year
| later due to lack of software updates, but continue to get new
| ones for 8 years and actually has the hardware capabilities to
| drive it for that long.
| mikepurvis wrote:
| This is what I do. I just upgraded last year from an iPhone 6
| to 8, and it's working great for me. The next stop would be
| an 11 I think, and that's only if I end up getting into the
| Peak Design ecosystem and the dashboard mount's built-in
| wireless charging capability doesn't work with an 8.
| agentgumshoe wrote:
| New iPhone threads make me laugh. I could never imagine replacing
| a one year old laptop/PC just because it had a new port.
| Especially if I had a bunch of cables for the old port anyway.
| evolveyourmind wrote:
| I can't understand why they invest so much in gaming. Gaming on
| such small devices is too uncomfortable, both for your eyes and
| your posture. In addition, with cloud gaming you can basically
| run any PC/Console game on any device provided a good-enough
| connection (eg. Nvidia NOW, Xbox cloud gaming etc)
| nocsi wrote:
| Because gaming is one of the last remaining markets that apple
| can dominate in and profit. Microsoft spent a lot of money on
| Activision to claw back against apple
|
| If your eyes hurt then switch to literally any other apple
| device, Apple TV, Mac, iPad, iPhone... they all have access to
| Apple Arcade. When cloud gaming streams asset objects and not
| raw video, then it'd be a contender. As of now, it's too
| expensive and is losing to mobile games
|
| https://imgur.com/a/BG2hexr
| umeshunni wrote:
| Mobile gaming is about 10x the size of the PC and console
| markets.
| evolveyourmind wrote:
| Interesting number, but how many are actually that GPU-
| intensive?
| dihrbtk wrote:
| I think a substantial amount at least. Kids and tweens seem
| to game a lot on mobile, and Fortnite is a GPU-intensive
| game that runs on mobile.
| haunter wrote:
| It's literally not on iOS though
| andrewstuart wrote:
| These things cost a huge amount of money. Apple must make an
| unbelievable profit margin on these phones.
| rootusrootus wrote:
| IIRC the BOM cost is around $500. That's just hardware, there's
| R&D as well. The profit margins are good, but pure software is
| a lot more lucrative.
| renewiltord wrote:
| These guys are insane. Every year the bloody product looks great
| (EDIT: not visually/aesthetically, looks like its got great
| features) and then the next year it somehow is even better.
| Satellite connectivity is fantastic. I believe T-mobile is
| bringing some of that too. If we get satellite backup calling or
| satellite data in the coming years it will be incredible.
|
| I think I'll wait another year before I upgrade my iPhone 13 but
| this is great stuff.
| FirmwareBurner wrote:
| _> Every year the bloody product looks great and then the next
| year it somehow is even better_
|
| It's literally the same design since the iphone 11.
|
| You need to see them side by side to notice the difference but
| any other user won't be able to tell at a glace that you own
| the 15 and not an older model.
| newaccount74 wrote:
| 15 is more rounded.
| FirmwareBurner wrote:
| The memes will be great on how apple's designers opened
| last year's CAD files, changed the radius of the corners
| and called it a day, and can kick back till next year while
| being paid boatloads.
| jamesgeck0 wrote:
| It's not, but the improvements have been extremely
| incremental. The internals of the 14 were redesigned for
| better repariability, and the 14 pro model moved the camera
| into the middle of the screen.
| FirmwareBurner wrote:
| It litterly is, to the untrained eye, unless you comapare
| them side by side.
| threeseed wrote:
| A comment that deserves to be framed.
|
| Things look the same when you don't look for the
| differences. Brilliant.
| dylan604 wrote:
| At the end of everyone is a line "this is the best _____ we've
| ever made". well, duh. it would be insane to make something
| worse than the previous version.
| resfirestar wrote:
| >it would be insane to make something worse than the previous
| version
|
| Well, this is the company that brought us the butterfly
| keyboard.
| lesuorac wrote:
| I think you could sell people on a 50% worse product if it
| cost 1% the price.
| robbyking wrote:
| I'm in the same boat. I was planning on upgrading my iPhone 13,
| but TBH it's pretty much in perfect shape so it feels wasteful.
| renewiltord wrote:
| Yeah, it feels like it's perfect as a phone. I absolutely
| love it. I'm actually quite surprised that they take what I
| think as a perfect product and still add stuff to it. Very
| impressed by Apple in every way. Great product. Great
| engineering.
|
| Somehow they always dodge the reverse Osborne effect, haha!
| bombcar wrote:
| Honestly if it weren't for the USB-C I'd probably just keep
| on keeping on; but this might be the time to jump from the
| Xs.
| user3939382 wrote:
| > satellite backup calling or satellite data
|
| Given the way those antennas work I doubt that. From what I
| understand they did some neat tricks to send very simple
| signals for the SOS stuff in the absence of that.
| renewiltord wrote:
| I can believe that. Perhaps network carriers will just place
| Starlink terminals with solar cells everywhere. Not having to
| do fiber or have sufficient connectivity in a mesh might make
| the whole thing fantastic!
| gnicholas wrote:
| IMO, this was a pretty weak announcement. They spent so long
| talking about environmental stuff, like getting rid of leather,
| that it felt like they were trying to pad the presentation to
| reach a reasonable length. There were a few new things (more
| optical zoom, slightly smaller bezels), but these were all leaked
| in advance.
|
| I was also disappointed to hear that the satellite stuff is
| limited to 2 years. Is it going to be yet another subscription
| after that?
| drexlspivey wrote:
| I love the "This is our best $PRODUCT yet", duh is there a
| company making worse products every iteration?
| jabroni_salad wrote:
| I swear sammy fucks up the battery every other year on
| purpose just so they can say it's bigger next year.
| macNchz wrote:
| > is there a company making worse products every iteration?
|
| Very many companies that built a brand around quality before
| being quietly sold to a private equity firm are doing just
| that, to maximize profits for as long as they can while the
| brand still has a good reputation.
|
| It can be really obvious if you've owned a quality product
| for many years and then go to replace it, only to see that
| the current rendition is effectively a cheap knockoff.
| etrautmann wrote:
| Also many hardware startups will launch with amazing build
| quality and then push out a cost cutting v2 product.
| [deleted]
| paxys wrote:
| They also said that with a straight face when they removed
| the headphone jack.
| TylerE wrote:
| and guess what? People use bluetooth headphones these days
| and much perfer them to the rats nest of cables that used
| to be cheap earbuds.
| paxys wrote:
| People have had the option to use bluetooth headphones
| since 1999. Removing the headphone jack from iPhones
| wasn't some revolution. Apple simple took away a choice.
| vel0city wrote:
| I personally know a _lot_ of people who didn 't realize
| wireless headphones were a thing pre-Airpods. They
| seriously thought Apple _created_ that market with the
| first wireless headphones.
|
| I imagine a lot of people didn't know or think about
| wireless headphones until Apple made it a thing.
| hkgjjgjfjfjfjf wrote:
| Ford
| gnicholas wrote:
| I believe you mean GM, which is getting rid of CarPlay and
| Android Auto.
| twobitshifter wrote:
| Ford https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MUkFsuilVD0&t=2s
| thatguy0900 wrote:
| There's a lot of instances of brands being bought just to
| slowly milk into the ground by the new owners
| layer8 wrote:
| There are many examples in the software space.
| babypuncher wrote:
| Others have already brought up Google.
|
| I'll mention GM, since they are taking CarPlay and Android
| Auto out of their new vehicles so they can charge a
| subscription fee for worse versions of the same features your
| phone already provides for free.
| jcrash wrote:
| Microsoft
| manquer wrote:
| They mean it is their flagship product , performance is not
| the only innovation companies do , it could be cost or
| something else.
|
| Apple wouldn't say the same at a SE release event
| TylerE wrote:
| There are a lot of days I'd be strongly tempted to answer
| that with "Google", but that's unfair since they usually just
| kill the product rather than actively making it worse.
| diego_sandoval wrote:
| Google search is now worse than it was 6 years ago.
| itisit wrote:
| Apple should have kept the _S_ model name suffix. These half-
| upgrades underwhelm when the devices are marketed as fully new
| models.
| charlesfries wrote:
| The sales and marketing people are running the company now
| baby wrote:
| And no folding iPhone :(
| jonplackett wrote:
| Weakest announcement in years. The watch was also devoid of any
| new features. This is borderline 'should have been a press
| release' territory.
| twobitshifter wrote:
| Re watch: I discovered that the pinch gesture was already on
| my series 8 watch under quick actions.
| delfinom wrote:
| Apple struggling to cope their products have reached maturity
| heh
| gnicholas wrote:
| IMO, it's not mature if the battery life is one day. The
| product it is seeking to replace (a "watch") can last for
| years on a single battery. Most people wouldn't mind
| charging once every week or two, but a "watch" that has to
| be charged every day is not a mature product in my book.
| It's especially embarrassing because Garmin and various
| Chinese companies (Amazfit) have sleeker watches that run
| for weeks.
|
| Apple could sell a lot more watches if they upped their
| battery life game. I guess they want a watch that can do a
| zillion things, one day at a time. I prefer a watch that
| can do a few things, for a couple weeks at a time.
| nomel wrote:
| > Apple could sell a lot more watches if they upped their
| battery life game.
|
| This would certainly require a display tech change. What
| do you have in mind?
| gnicholas wrote:
| I find the Amazfit display to be very nice, and it lasts
| 2 weeks on a charge. I have no idea why Apple is stuck at
| daily charging for the AW9. I could pay $800 to get an
| AWU, and then use it in low-power mode for up to 5 days,
| but that seems absurd. The Amazfit GTR 4 is 1/4 the price
| and the battery lasts 3x as long (as low-power mode AWU)
| babypuncher wrote:
| How would you propose they improve battery life without
| sacrifcing any of the existing feature set?
| gnicholas wrote:
| Take a cue from Amazfit, whose watches last weeks on a
| charge.
| boringg wrote:
| But where would the marketing budget be deployed? I enjoy
| seeing how they produce the event but the content this year
| wasn't interesting enough to keep my attention
| nemo44x wrote:
| It's just another way of increasing margins and justifying it
| with platitudes about environmentalism. Corporations co-opting
| things for profit.
|
| It's why you can't get a paper bag at many grocery stores
| today. Those bags cost them a lot of money that's now going
| into their pockets while you are forced to buy bag after bag
| (because who always has a bag on them?!) that only becomes a
| net positive after thousands of uses. Which it never will come
| close to.
| armchairhacker wrote:
| In their defense, iPhones haven't changed much, and IMO that's
| a good thing. I still use an iPhone SE and haven't experienced
| any issues. I have a much older iPhone which i stopped using a
| couple years ago but it was the same, and I suspect it might
| still even support the latest OS and apps
| kmlx wrote:
| > They spent so long talking about environmental stuff, like
| getting rid of leather
|
| which reminds me, i need to buy extra leather cases.
|
| in any case, this is what happens when you've got nothing to
| present.
| gnicholas wrote:
| They won't fit new iPhones, IIUC. Third parties will still
| make them, but they won't be available as rapidly as Apple's
| cases.
|
| I'm curious how much they're charging for this 'premium' new
| FineWoven material, which they pitch as a replacement for
| leather. Will they price it the same? Will people be willing
| to pay that much?
| kmlx wrote:
| > They won't fit new iPhones
|
| no, i'll be buying them for my current iphone.
| gnicholas wrote:
| How many leather cases do you go through per phone? I
| think they just said they're not making any new leather
| products, not immediately killing all existing ones. I'm
| sure the sales channels will eventually dry up though.
| kmlx wrote:
| > How many leather cases do you go through per phone?
|
| one every 3 to 6 months, depends on how long i'm
| travelling for (as that's when i usually drop/scratch/etc
| my case the most).
| callalex wrote:
| I don't personally use leather, but I have been lead to
| believe that it is the longest-lasting and most
| repairable material. Are those people just lying to
| justify their purchasing habits?
| [deleted]
| pb7 wrote:
| You should take better care of your things. A leather
| case every 3 months is unbelievably wasteful. This type
| of careless behavior is killing our planet.
| gnicholas wrote:
| I appreciate that you rephrased this from your original
| comment, which was incredibly dismissive.
|
| But this is still condescending and hyperbolic. I'm as
| surprised as the next guy that anyone would go through
| multiple iPhone cases per year, but I don't know anything
| about him, his family/habits/clumsiness, so I would not
| make such judgmental remarks.
|
| And from a practical perspective, you will win zero
| converts by telling strangers on the internet that they
| are "killing our planet".
| [deleted]
| zikduruqe wrote:
| The new-er leather cases are no where near the quality of the
| X, Xs series leather cases. My 5 year old Xs leather case was
| like a baseball glove from my youth. These newer ones, like
| the one on my iPhone 14 just doesn't wear the same.
| gnicholas wrote:
| I haven't had a case since the 6, which was nice. I could
| imagine that as time went on and volume went up, they had
| to source lousier leather. The cynic in me also wonders if
| they didn't keep their leather products as nice so that
| people wouldn't miss it as much after it's replaced by
| FakeLeather, or whatever they're calling it.
| lofaszvanitt wrote:
| This satellite thing... carriers around the world gonna love it
| when Apple decides its time to leave them out from the equation
| and will use Musk's satellites.
| thorncorona wrote:
| Don't believe satellites have enough bandwidth for dense
| urban areas
| lofaszvanitt wrote:
| !
| whycome wrote:
| Was it only weak because you knew about the new things in
| advance? The switch to USBC seems pretty significant. As well
| as the 3mm chip in the pro models.
| gnicholas wrote:
| The move to USB-C is a big deal for some people, but it's
| hardly a headline feature for a new phone. The new
| manufacturing technique is nice, but only if it translates
| into tangible benefits for the user (which were not apparent
| from the presentation).
| jamiedumont wrote:
| Small (anec)data point, but I got invited last week by my local
| Apple Store to attend the event there and upgrade on the day.
| Never had that happen before, and have a history (that Apple
| surely knows) of buying 6 months after launch and then holding
| for 4-7 years. I get the impression -- admittedly having not
| watched the event -- that Apple feel the need to work hard and
| drum up interest for this release.
| gnicholas wrote:
| Super weird. I've had iPhones since day 1, but never gotten
| such an invite. They must know that demand will be weak. I
| was thinking I'd upgrade my 13 mini, but after seeing this
| lineup I may stay on the sidelines for now. I expect there
| will be some sales coming in a couple months, at least
| through carriers.
| lotsofpulp wrote:
| I bought a 13mini yesterday based on rumors that it would
| be discontinued today.
|
| Was waiting to see if they had a new mini, and obviously
| they do not so glad I grabbed it.
|
| Xs, 13, 14, 15, it's all the same to me except a mini feels
| so much easier to handle.
| thenewwazoo wrote:
| I was waiting for a price drop today, and instead they
| just stopped selling it entirely. I wish I'd heard those
| same rumors. :(
| ipqk wrote:
| You can probably find it for awhile "in the channels",
| i.e. 3rd party retailers like cell-phone stores for a
| little bit longer until their stock is depleted.
| cduzz wrote:
| I recently switched from android to the iphone ecosystem;
| I had a 3a and then a 4a, and recently updated to a 7a,
| but it never really clicked with me -- just too big.
|
| Got a 13 mini; I kinda don't like a bunch of aspects of
| the iphone ecosystem, but the mini form factor is really
| perfect.
|
| Very much too bad that it's now dead.
| gnicholas wrote:
| I liked my 11 Pro before the mini, but if I'm going to go
| back to a non-mini phone I'll have to toss some of my
| jeans, whose pockets are too small for non-mini phones. I
| do find typing on the 11 Pro to be easier than on the
| mini, since the keyboard is wider. But I love to swipe-
| type on the mini.
| lozenge wrote:
| But it isn't even shipping for ten more days! Anybody who
| accepted that invite must be going home disappointed.
| BonoboIO wrote:
| I m stunned that a company like Apple sold leather cases for a
| premium price with a quality that you can only call trash.
|
| Every 10 dollar knockoff from AliExpress had better quality
| than this.
|
| Not selling these anymore is not a big loss.
| hn_throwaway_99 wrote:
| I didn't see the announcement, but I saw this blurb on
| Engadget:
|
| > The company noted that while leather is popular for things
| like watch straps, it has a serious impact on the environment,
| particularly at Apple's scale.
|
| Is that actually true? I remember reading a few years ago that
| there was actually a big glut of leather: people still eat
| steak and hamburgers, and without a market for the cow hides
| then that material is wasted. That is, I thought the leather
| market was largely a byproduct of the beef market, and that
| reducing leather usage won't have a measurable impact on
| reducing the number of slaughtered cows.
| clord wrote:
| you're right, this is greenwashing. I sell into the market
| sometimes and the hides are basically wasted unless you try
| hard to line up buyers. plus, if your beef is grass fed for
| its whole life like ours, it's carbon neutral, as all the
| carbon that goes into the animal came from the atmosphere.
| It's true that factory-raised beef is bad for the environment
| though, as they eat grains that are fertilized from oil via
| Haber-Bosch. It's also true that tanning uses lots of nasty
| stuff, but there is vegetable tanning which works well and
| sourced from nuts and stuff.
| etrautmann wrote:
| I thought the issue was that cows produce a lot of methane
| which is 20x worse foe trapping heat than CO2?
| reportingsjr wrote:
| > plus, if your beef is grass fed for its whole life like
| ours, it's carbon neutral, as all the carbon that goes into
| the animal came from the atmosphere
|
| This totally ignores the land use issue. Cattle absolutely
| decimate natural areas. e.g. significant areas of the
| midwest/great plain that were prairie with deep roots to
| store carbon are now pasture. Pasture grass has
| comparatively shallow roots and limited ability to store
| carbon.
| jononomo wrote:
| no, cattle grazing on land serves to regenerate the land.
| mech987987 wrote:
| Hasn't the midwest host large herds of grazing buffalo
| for millenia? I think the last I read about this stuff,
| most cattle farmers want their grass to still be the old
| school deep-rooted stuff, if other grasses take over it
| is a symptom of overgrazing.
| padjo wrote:
| > Hasn't the midwest host large herds of grazing buffalo
| for millenia?
|
| Only because humans killed all the megafauna at the end
| of the last ice age.
|
| The question now is if populating it with millions of
| cows for us to eat is the right thing to do.
| clord wrote:
| Two things:
|
| - Grazers improve the capacity of grass to carbon capture
|
| - Some land is ONLY able to grow grass. The alternative
| is desertification, and so livestock is the only option
| to produce food. edit: unless you bring in fossil
| fertilizers.
| jmilloy wrote:
| I think this is generally false. Cloven hooved animals
| regenerate prairie and topsoil if grazed responsibly.
| jedberg wrote:
| > you're right, this is greenwashing ... plus, if your beef
| is grass fed for its whole life like ours, it's carbon
| neutral, as all the carbon that goes into the animal came
| from the atmosphere
|
| Sounds like you might be doing a bit of greenwashing
| yourself. The carbon came from the atmosphere, but the cows
| make methane, which is much worse. Also they spoil the land
| and water. And also you're not counting the carbon used to
| actually raise them, like the gas in the equipment and the
| transport.
| dijit wrote:
| Thats not how that works, just like the water cycle there
| is a carbon cycle.
|
| You can't produce "more" greenhouse gases in a closed
| system, the system will ebb and flow; until you dig up
| megatons of carbon that has been stored for a few hundred
| millennia and insert it into that system.
|
| (same story with polar ice caps and the water cycle)
| jedberg wrote:
| The water cycle is actually the perfect analogy. The form
| of the water is almost as important as the amount. When
| you take all the water out of the ground and put it on
| the surface, and then a bunch evaporates, sure, we have
| the same amount of water. But we're still in big trouble
| because we don't have usable fresh water.
|
| If you take a bunch of carbon in the grass and convert it
| to methane gas, sure you have the same amount, but it's a
| lot worse for the planet.
| dijit wrote:
| My current (and if I understood correctly: _the current
| scientific_ ) understanding of the carbon cycle does not
| indicate that methane is significantly more harmful than
| other forms of carbon release, mostly due to the fact
| that it does not have a significant lifetime in the
| atmosphere.
|
| The issue remains, squarely, on adding to the carbon
| cycle. The harmful values of methane output is directly
| correlated with the oil based feed which GP mentions.
|
| https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7725657/
|
| https://meteor.geol.iastate.edu/gccourse/alumni/chem/carb
| on/...
| nwienert wrote:
| Yea the methane thing has always seemed dubious, I looked
| into it more seriously years ago and came away with the
| same impression.
| clord wrote:
| The water cycle is a great example because it is
| filtering the water as it goes, rapidly producing fresh
| water that rains on the land. Methane, likewise, is a
| short-lived byproduct of excess animal activity, and in a
| steady state sustainable mode, we have equality. The
| problem is the finger of oil on the scale, not the grass-
| raised beef, just like how excess bovines produce excess
| methane.
| clord wrote:
| The land with cattle on are the most productive, as they
| get quite a compliment of natural fertilizer from the
| cattle. I would say cattle do not spoil the land, but
| improve it. This can't help but be the case, given the
| way grass responds to being eaten.
|
| Additionally, once the grazers improve grass life, the
| water-table improves. The worst lakes in our area are
| surrounded by fertilized annual crops. Their water is
| polluted with nitrogen fertilizers and are very poor
| quality, with blue-green algae blooms, and as a result
| are not swimmable. My friend lost a dog to such a lake.
|
| The land with active grazers in contrast, is very good at
| preventing this problem. The best lake for 200km around
| me is surrounded by grass-fed cattle operations, and
| there is absolutely no problem with algae blooms.
|
| I think a central problem of our time is that educated
| elites are detached from reality, not seeing things like
| what I mention above, and so are acting upon their false
| perceptions, causing great harms as a result. The Apple
| announcement today about leather acts to confirm my
| suspicions about this.
| rimliu wrote:
| Now calculate the use of the agricultural machinery to
| get the same number of calories from plants. I have no
| idea how cows "spoil land and water". Have you seen a
| cow?
| jedberg wrote:
| No one ever said plant based food is carbon neutral. But
| it uses way less carbon than cows. And yes, I've seen a
| cow. Many. They spoil the land by trampling it and the
| water by having their excrement run off into it.
| boringg wrote:
| I think what you are doing is definitely better than some
| of the specific agriculture feedstocks for cows that
| increase the enteric emissions of cows to make them grow
| quickly. That said it isn't carbon neutral - the digestive
| systems of cows produce methane from food. Methane is
| between 24- 29 times more impactful then carbon for global
| warming.
|
| Cows still have a signifiant impact on especially as a
| function of how large the industry has become.
|
| And to your point - wasting hides is also not great. Would
| be great if we were less wasteful in general.
| clord wrote:
| I suspect that because of conservation of energy, methane
| is a highly reactive over the short term, but ultimately
| an insignificant element in the big picture IF you ignore
| the massive oil inputs humans are adding to the system.
| That is to say, methane on its own is not a reason to
| discourage digging up oil to make grain, which is used to
| feed cattle.
| AlanYx wrote:
| It's hard to know for sure. The most common analysis,
| following the PEFCR standard, takes the carbon impact of cows
| and then divides it up in a certain ratio between flesh and
| leather products, then adds the tanning and production steps.
| Arguably it would be fairer to treat leather as purely a
| byproduct, which would dramatically reduce the resulting
| carbon footprint numbers for leather.
| Solvate8441 wrote:
| Would the price of meat go up without the sale of leather?
| If so, I think it's more fair to call it a coproduct rather
| than a byproduct.
| saiya-jin wrote:
| Replace killing cows with micro plastic pollution, slap Apple
| price on it and call it an eco improvement.
|
| In few years full reverse, cleaning up the planet while
| supporting free range happy lives of cows. Really, who
| actually buys this in-your-face bullshit? There are proper
| technical improvements to talk about.
| notJim wrote:
| I learned recently that microplastics are primarily from
| fabrics. Our polyester/synthetic workout clothes shed them
| in the washer and they end up everywhere. Plastics also
| generally have a pretty low carbon footprint, ironically.
| layer8 wrote:
| Apple's new "FineWoven" products seem to be fabric-like.
| notJim wrote:
| Sure, but I doubt many people will be throwing them in
| the washing machine.
| eep_social wrote:
| Also tires
|
| https://microplastics.springeropen.com/articles/10.1186/s
| 435...
| gnicholas wrote:
| There are interesting second-order effects. For example, this
| will tend to make wholesale leather less expensive, for
| producers of third-party bands and other small items (I
| assume that large items use a different type of leather,
| since they require larger swathes).
|
| I'm surprised they're pricing these new fabric bands at $99.
| If they sold these alongside leather bands, would they sell
| at that price? Seems like they're trying to position them as
| a replacement for a premium product, but without any proof
| that they are worthy of the lofty price.
| elondaits wrote:
| The braided solo loops have the same price ($99), it was
| not exclusively for leather bands.
| gnicholas wrote:
| Yikes! I guess that's why I buy more AAPL stock than
| Apple Watches.
| seu wrote:
| One of the issues is that the tanning process requires the
| use of toxic chemicals, that are afterward often released to
| the environment.
| ipqk wrote:
| USA & europe tanneries are usually pretty regulated and
| treat their wastewater. Other countries may vary.
| fnordpiglet wrote:
| Well - they could just tan the leather the old fashioned
| way and use the cow brains.
|
| https://www.leather-dictionary.com/index.php/Brain_tanning
| jjkaczor wrote:
| Yeah, but then what would they make dog food and jello
| out of?
|
| /s
| babyshake wrote:
| I'd love to see Apple's slick marketing video about how
| your new Apple Watch strap was tanned with cow brains.
| crawancon wrote:
| "we asked ourselves what would a cow think about this?
|
| so to do that we really wanted to get inside a cows
| brain.
|
| we figure dok now that we're here, let's explode it out
| onto the platter of dead skin of that same animal to
| capture it's essence.
|
| so without further adieu
|
| I present to you
|
| iBrainSplatStainedWatchStrap"
| car wrote:
| Leather itself is a driver of deforestation and not just a
| secondary byproduct.
|
| Why alternatives to leather matter:
|
| _Nowhere to hide: how the fashion industry is linked to
| amazon rainforest destruction [0]_
|
| [0] https://www.stand.earth/publication/forest-
| conservation/amaz...
|
| Also: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29433500
| hn_throwaway_99 wrote:
| FYI your link is bad, should be
| https://stand.earth/resources/nowhere-to-hide-how-the-
| fashio... .
|
| I read that article, but I disagree that the conclusion is
| "Leather itself is a driver of deforestation and not just a
| secondary byproduct."
|
| That is, what I'd like to know is whether all those cows in
| Brazil would still exist even without a leather marker, but
| just for their beef. The linked research sort of tries to
| make that argument, but it doesn't really provide any
| convincing evidence.
| FrankoDelMar wrote:
| I read that somewhere as well, but I can't find any reputable
| sources.
| loopback_zero wrote:
| I'd go as far as saying that leather accessories are actually
| even better for environment since they easily outlast any
| fabric or silicone ones. It's really just shameless
| greenwashing from Apple, nothing more.
| knodi123 wrote:
| > since they easily outlast any fabric or silicone ones
|
| perhaps not as true when they are phone accessories. ;-)
| nomel wrote:
| > I'd go as far as saying
|
| Citing is much preferred to saying.
| skhavari wrote:
| All software teams are busy porting apps to Vision Pro
| jbm wrote:
| On one hand they talk about getting rid of leather, then they
| talk about getting something with a "suede" feeling. I hope we
| aren't replacing leather with microplastics-infused future
| garbage.
| gnicholas wrote:
| Of course that's what's happening. How else would Apple
| reduce its microplastic footprint come 2035, if they didn't
| stealthily increase it in 2023? Perhaps they'll cut down on
| microplastic pollution with a return to 'natural' materials.
| I wonder if leather might fit the bill?
| Arn_Thor wrote:
| Artificial leather is mostly fungus based these days
| scrollaway wrote:
| [flagged]
| noknownsender wrote:
| Some of us are really just that cynical.
| Klonoar wrote:
| There exist leather alternatives that use no plastic. ;P
| callalex wrote:
| If they actually cared about the environment they would have
| spent that time describing how easy they made it to replace the
| screen and battery on every announced device.
| twobitshifter wrote:
| I really liked the Mother Nature part. It may be greenwashing
| but it's encouraging to see the world's biggest company taking
| these steps.
|
| Planting forests, installing solar grids, carbon neutral
| offices, that all costs the company, it's not cost savings
| disguised as green actions. Sure it has marketing value, but
| that's hard to measure.
|
| Smaller plastic free packaging and shipping by sea on the other
| hand could be made to save money without care for the
| environment. Being able to market it as green is just an added
| bonus.
| abraxas wrote:
| I wonder how much worse accidental UI interactions will be due
| to smaller bezels. I alredy despise phones that I have to pick
| up _really_ carefully not to engage some completely unwanted
| gesture.
| Octoth0rpe wrote:
| The best part about smaller bezels is that you can always buy
| a protective case that adds more bezel. Inversely, large
| bezels never get smaller.
| abraxas wrote:
| Cases make phones bulkier, sometimes significantly so. No
| thanks.
| jonas21 wrote:
| So you like the smaller bezels then?
| gnicholas wrote:
| Yep, I see pretty much zero reason to go with the 15 Pro,
| other than to avoid the terrible colors of the 15. The Pro
| Max gets the better camera, but the smaller Pro seems like a
| lousy deal -- especially if the smaller bezels result in more
| accidental touches.
| zetazzed wrote:
| Woah, fairly confusing. Looks like the base Pro gets the
| same "pro camera" according to this:
| https://www.apple.com/iphone/compare/ But the zoom options
| are different so it's clearly not the same.
| gnicholas wrote:
| They also talked confusingly about optical-quality zoom,
| or some such thing, on the lower end phones. They made it
| sound like you can either take a 48MP photo or a zoomed
| 24MP photo. Sounds like digital zoom to me...
| ChristianGeek wrote:
| Look at the optical zoom options. Granted, it's not
| obvious that the Max has 5x while the base Pro only has
| 3x.
| accrual wrote:
| > but these were all leaked in advance.
|
| Does being leaked in advance have anything to do with their
| presentation? "Oh that was leaked, I guess we shouldn't bother
| mentioning it".
| gnicholas wrote:
| Not strictly speaking, but in this case there were hardly and
| exciting leaks. Some people care about USB-C (I don't), and
| some people care about the new zoom levels (I do, but not
| enough to buy an enormous phone).
| onlyrealcuzzo wrote:
| I have recently been led to believe that people eat so much
| beef that so a ton of potential cow hide goes to waste instead
| of being turned into leather because there isn't enough demand
| for leather (compared to beef).
|
| Is this true or false?
|
| If it's true - then how is leather bad for the environment?
|
| I don't eat beef - but it's interesting to me how many people
| eat hamburgers and then look at someone with a leather bag like
| they're the devil.
|
| As with a lot of things environmental - this seems purely
| idealist and not realist.
| rrrrrrrrrrrryan wrote:
| They are imagining it like an elephant killed just for its
| tusks. For some leather goods made from certain animals this
| might be true, but today almost all parts of the animal
| usually have a buyer and end up getting used in some way,
| even if it's just ground up into dogfood.
| 9dev wrote:
| Instead of supposing something, how about you take Google for
| a stroll and figure out the (very interesting) answer to this
| yourself. Spoiler: leather actually has a profoundly grave
| impact, and it's not just a ,,free" by-product of meat.
| onlyrealcuzzo wrote:
| Googling can also tell you the opposite. YMMV.
|
| The main answer I get is that leather is a by-product of
| meat, but some claim it is a co-product.
| lprd wrote:
| I miss Jobs. These prerecorded presentations are soulless and
| almost embarrassing at times.
|
| Happy to see USB-C on the iPhone (thanks EU) and no price hikes.
| systemvoltage wrote:
| It felt like I am going through HR training. Painful.
| brailsafe wrote:
| Almost creepily robotic and zuck-like
| zyang wrote:
| It's too polished. COVID is over. Bring back the live demos.
| ryandrake wrote:
| It feels like watching an hours-long commercial. Way too
| produced and slick.
| KerrAvon wrote:
| COVID is not over. https://health.clevelandclinic.org/is-the-
| pandemic-over/
| RamblingCTO wrote:
| COVID as a health crisis is over. It's endemic, just like
| the flu.
| squidsoup wrote:
| 65 million people are estimated to have long covid, for
| which there is no treatment - premature to declare the
| health crisis over.
| luxuryballs wrote:
| "no treatment" aka "no profitable treatment" so
| ironically you have to "do your own research", hint:
| ivermectin has been known to work since mid-2020, by
| neutralizing the viral mRNA it frees up the immune system
| to more efficiently focus on the virus itself, but you
| don't have to take my word for it, in all seriousness, do
| your own research (also no more freebies but look into
| the Emergency Use Authorization Act "known treatments"
| clause if you think "ivermectin can't be useful, they
| would never suppress a useful treatment, that's a
| conspiracy theory", etc)
| anibalin wrote:
| I was thinking the same thing. They should go back to the
| stage.
| TheAtomic wrote:
| They are so CRINGEY. That Mother Nature thing, wow.
| callalex wrote:
| Mother Nature didn't mention replaceable batteries even once,
| they must have beaten her up so badly that she holds her
| tongue in front of Tim now.
| onlyrealcuzzo wrote:
| The linked website looks like something from a company that
| knows they don't even have to try at all and they're guaranteed
| to sell more phones than any other company in the world, and it
| shows.
|
| And, yet, ~20% of the population will see this news release,
| and talk about how clean the lines are, and how perfectly
| worded every sentence is, as if it was handed to us from God
| himself on stone tablets.
|
| Cultism is a very interesting thing.
| faitswulff wrote:
| Actually, God upgraded to the iPad Pro 12.9-inch, Wi-Fi (6th
| Generation, 2022). Lithography has come a long way since
| Moses.
| lofaszvanitt wrote:
| Yeah, the psychotic robo zombies controlling the corp takes its
| toll. Jobs also had this cult like woooism aura, but these
| "people"... are straight from They Live :DD.
| seydor wrote:
| i m just surprised that they built an expensive boring building
| and nobody is ever inside it
| lagrange77 wrote:
| It's interesting that even big money can't buy mojo.
| sylens wrote:
| I think the need for a special presentation for yearly
| iterative updates to a phone and watch is pretty minimal these
| days. Just put out a press release
| unethical_ban wrote:
| You cannot deny the press hype that is created by this event.
|
| It's like coke: "Why advertise Coke? Everyone drinks it."
| Aleklart wrote:
| funny how first ever 3nm cpu, ray tracing and console grade
| games on smartphone, titanium case and state of the art new
| camera crammed in thinnest case found no excitement on tech
| forum, but physically inferior usb-c that causing all kinds
| of hardware problems considered worthy. Well, now you can
| swap iphones as often as android due to broken connector. Or
| buy apple care and off warranty repairs from Apple. Another
| hundred millions for Apple, thanks EU!
| Rexogamer wrote:
| i had a perfectly good Air 3 essentially die on me because
| the lightning port wore down and the hassle of getting it
| fixed was outweighed by getting a 5 with USB-C. same thing
| with my Mini 2 before that. touchwood, all of my USB-C
| devices have lasted perfectly well (including a Switch that
| is _older_ than the Air 3). USB-C also puts a lot more of
| the stress on the cable, which is much easier and cheaper
| to replace, and (as pointed out in the event) the switch
| means you can use one connector for a wide variety of
| devices. i 've long owned Apple devices (certainly iPads)
| and i'm only annoyed they took this long.
| seydor wrote:
| apple can't do that, they are kinda like a fashion brand
| joezydeco wrote:
| I'm starting to buy into these rumors that Apple might buy
| Disney, because they're doing the same wooden performances as
| the kids on Disney Channel. Lots of weird hand motions.
| SCUSKU wrote:
| Sent this video making fun of the Apple Hands(tm) to a friend
| at Apple, she loved it. [1]
|
| Some middle ground between Tim Cook and Steve Ballmer would
| bring more excitement into the game, and make it a little
| more human!
|
| [1] https://www.youtube.com/shorts/NBw0TzFczi4
| joezydeco wrote:
| That's perfect! Saving this one for later.
|
| And now, back to Tim.
| jonplackett wrote:
| Love this
| beezlebroxxxxxx wrote:
| Yeah, the presentation style often screams "I've taken
| exactly 3 acting classes to learn how to present". The style
| is remarkably uniform too, like they're constantly
| remembering how to move their hands.
| sixQuarks wrote:
| Felt like I was watching a presentation made with AI actors.
| The long pauses, PR-driven language, it was all so sterile and
| politically correct. Very cringe.
| schleck8 wrote:
| I get the sterile feeling part but how did you make the jump
| to "political correctness"?
| 0xDEF wrote:
| There is a whole segment of society that cannot watch a 12
| minute video unless there is at least one offensive joke.
| They are the audience of every right-wing grift YouTuber
| and dirtbag leftist podcaster.
|
| Everything else is "politically correct" according to this
| segment.
| earthnail wrote:
| Apple over the last years has made a very conscious effort
| to have a set of speakers with diverse backgrounds.
|
| It's good in many ways, but also hard to ignore just how
| obvious that effort is once you realise it's there. That's
| true for all presentations, including the dev talks at
| WWDC.
|
| It is hard for me to push aside the impression that
| nowadays the speakers - regardless their background - are
| entirely chosen for optical reasons. My only favourite
| moment in a recent big presentation was the M1 chip part
| with Srouji. That guy is not made for the camera but man he
| lives hardware with every fibre of his soul.
| schleck8 wrote:
| I think that's fine honestly, if you want to maximize
| your talent pool you have to motivate the entirety of
| society to become interested and not just the groups
| already overrepresented. For example it's not like women
| are genetically predetermined to lack interest in
| hardware, that's a social construct.
| TheAtomic wrote:
| Is Nvidia about to have an iPhone moment? Nvidia releases an AI-
| based phone with an assistant you talk to, no other UI necessary.
| It could remain aware during calls like an available assistant so
| you can direct it to do follow up tasks, like check calendars,
| etc. It could completely change the paradigm and disrupt Apple's
| business model entirely.
| joshstrange wrote:
| Nothing in Nvidia's past even hints at them being able to pull
| off half of what you wished for and consumers are not
| interested in an audio-only phone. There are just way too many
| things that work better with a screen (like pictures or games,
| also I like to read articles not listen to them).
|
| The only think Nvidia has going for them is hardware and CUDA,
| I don't even think they are very competent in the software
| department let alone consumer-facing software.
| kortilla wrote:
| Nvidia doesn't do AI though. They would need a software partner
| to do the entire OS and software stack.
| Simulacra wrote:
| My iPhone 8 is still working great...
| jonpurdy wrote:
| I haven't bought a new iPhone since the 5. I typically would wait
| a year and buy a used year-old model for half price (with
| AppleCare). But I didn't do this after the XS, and now with Pro
| and non-Pro models it's incredibly complex to find the best value
| since used prices are so dynamic and there are so many models to
| choose from.
|
| Might be time to just buy a new one with USB-C and use it for 5+
| years.
| lozenge wrote:
| You don't need the best value, you just need sufficient value.
| cs702 wrote:
| TL;DR:
|
| 1. USB-C. Yay!
|
| 2. New colors. Apple repeatedly refers to the colors as
| "stunning," but they look like regular colors to me.
|
| 3. Incremental improvements. Pretty much what you expect every
| year.
| uf00lme wrote:
| Am I wrong or is iPhone 15 usb-c is usb2 just with a different
| connector. Seems to me like only the pro is getting usb3 even
| though usb3 was first released in like 2008. Update: confirmed in
| iPhone specs page.
| Kirby64 wrote:
| Maybe it matters to you, but I can't remember the last time I
| used cabled data transfer capabilities on any phone. As long as
| fast charging is supported (which, I'm sure it does), 99.9% of
| users won't care at all.
|
| I am a bit surprised there isn't a Thunderbolt controller in
| the Pro, though. Seems like they already have the IP since it's
| part of the iPads already.
| jxramos wrote:
| might be more popular with that crowd that doesn't backup on
| icloud but to their local desktop. For that non icloud folks
| I wonder how many use cable vs wifi.
| callalex wrote:
| I'm using WiFi 6 (not even 6E) for that and the limiting
| speed factor for me seems to be the SSD that I am writing
| the data to. I could throw money at that to make it faster,
| but I also don't really care because I'm asleep while it's
| backing up anyways, just like how you probably couldn't
| tell me how long your iCloud backup takes.
| jxramos wrote:
| that's very weird, what's the BOM savings here? Seems like a
| custom part regardless, is it the controller chip that's
| cheaper? USB C for 2.0 seems baffling I agree.
| Lord-Jobo wrote:
| Its not about the BOM or the cost, its about creating a more
| clear "this is the trash one" image of the base model, so
| more people will buy the Pro.
| jxramos wrote:
| ouch, yah without some alternate explanation it kind of
| reeks of a deliberate caste system being created in the
| Apple ecosystem. Only certain folks would get it.
|
| I had my first taste of this with the macro support only
| showing up on the Pro model. It's such an old feature I was
| baffled the other device we bought didn't have that
| capability.
| https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/453470/is-
| there-a-...
| isatty wrote:
| Actually BOM will differ because lightning can do USB2 so
| it's probably reusing the same chip. USB-C needs a different
| chip and is harder to route too so I'm not surprised.
| ex3ndr wrote:
| And pro should be usb4
| uf00lme wrote:
| It's no coincidence that Intel just released info on
| thunderbolt 5 spec yesterday. How much money could it really
| add to goto the next usb? Is there some kind of hardware
| design he'll going on behind the scenes
| pgeorgi wrote:
| "USB4" is really thunderbolt 3 with a few compatibility
| tweaks. As such, it's a very different beast from USB3
| (which is much closer to the USBs that preceded it): more
| like "external PCIe" than "USB".
| ZekeSulastin wrote:
| I imagine most people - especially those not using the Pro
| models - only care about universal charging. I think I've
| connected my iPhone to my PC for data transfer maybe two or
| three times since I switched ~six years ago, and even on
| Android I used network shares and such more often than not.
| uf00lme wrote:
| I'd agree most people can happily just use WiFi speeds for
| most tasks, but I'm just shocked that apple would aim to save
| money or force a product differentiation by using usb2. It's
| fairly ancient now.
| ZekeSulastin wrote:
| I wonder if the base A16 simply doesn't support USB 3 and
| they weren't motivated to change that - the 14 Pro/Max last
| year was still limited to USB 2 after all.
| wilg wrote:
| I feel like Qi is really the universal charging standard, but
| USBC is good too
| phoenk wrote:
| USB C is definitely more universal, it is used for laptops
| and peripherals and other random devices. Qi charging is
| mostly limited to phones and certain phone accessories,
| which usually also have USB C.
| post_break wrote:
| USB 2.0 on the 15 is kind of a joke considering it came out in
| April of 2000. 60hz, USB 2.0, getting a bit dated. I know a bunch
| of people will excuse it but at that price I think it's not
| ideal.
|
| Oh and RIP 13 Mini, you'll be my phone until I can't use it
| anymore I suppose.
| llm_nerd wrote:
| Sounds like the A16 just doesn't have the I/O block for USB 3.
| They are using the chip from the last generation for the base
| model.
|
| Though to put this in a realistic context, I am curious what
| percentage of iPhones have ever, over their usage lifespan,
| made a data connection over USB. I suspect that percentage is
| low single-digit percentages, and -- again speculating -- I
| would wager they are almost always by users with the pro
| models.
|
| Is it lame that it's USB 2.0? Yes. Will it matter at all for
| the overwhelming majority of users? Not in the slightest.
| post_break wrote:
| Why would I use a lightning cable when getting data on or off
| the device is faster over Wifi. It's kind of a trick
| question, why don't you use this slower protocol? See no
| reason to upgrade it no one uses it!
| llm_nerd wrote:
| It really isn't a trick question. If your needs are 100%
| satisfied through wireless, why would you ever care? I
| suspect for the overwhelming majority of iPhone users, even
| if the wired option was infinitely fast they would never
| have used it. We're long past the days of an iPhone
| suckling on iTunes.
|
| The exception to this -- and there are exceptions -- tend
| to be "pro" users. If you're actually using the iPhone for
| video production in any way, USB 2.0 is a brutal
| limitation, and has long been a noted annoyance when you're
| transferring massive video files. Lucky for those people
| they'll be Pro buyers and will enjoy USB 3 (and maybe WiFi
| 6E? Not sure if this was delivered).
| post_break wrote:
| What's the safest way to ski? Don't ski.
| lkois wrote:
| > It really isn't a trick question. If your needs are
| 100% satisfied through wireless, why would you ever care?
|
| THIS is a trick question.
| Infinitesimus wrote:
| The number will be higher if you consider wired CarPlay
| masklinn wrote:
| Wired carplay has been using USB 2.0 from the beginning,
| and it's always been fine. Why would it change?
| andrewxdiamond wrote:
| USB 2.0 and Lightning share the same speeds. Nothing
| changed
| motoboi wrote:
| They put USB 2.0 just to save a feature to include in another
| future release. Iphone 20: now with USB 3.0!
|
| And the raspberry pi has USB 3.0 for god's sake! It's not a
| matter of a dedicated processor block on the chip.
|
| <english is a second language to me, this is intended as
| humourous, not aggressive>
| llm_nerd wrote:
| It definitely serves as a differentiation between Pro and
| base, and I'm sure they'll get some additional pro upgrades
| by people just looking at a piece of paper and deciding
| that they must have USB 3.
|
| However the lack of USB 3 IO on the existing chip from last
| year is a very real limitation. The Raspberry Pi 4 supports
| USB 3 via a separate host controller (the VL805)
| communicated with over PCI-e, given that the core SoC
| doesn't have the IO blocks...basically the same deal. That
| VL805 by itself is almost the size of the A16. Now of
| course Apple could make a USB 3 host controller
| dramatically smaller, but then they'd have a new SoC.
| skunkworker wrote:
| And those users who will use the Pro for video/photos can now
| transfer them to external storage while shooting (finally).
| accrual wrote:
| I'll raise my hand and say I still sync my iPhone over USB.
| Happy to move to WiFi, I just haven't, as my existing
| workflow works fine. I also have an old 2015 MBPr, so that
| plays into it as well.
| NikolaNovak wrote:
| I have had a company mandated iPhone for about 4-5 years.
|
| First year, I tried to transfer data via USB.
|
| After I accepted that Apple hates me personally and does not
| want me to transfer any of my voice memos, photos, or videos,
| or documents, or files via USB (I don't have a macbook), you
| are indeed correct and I'm one of those people who does not
| make a data connection via USB to my iPhone. But while stat
| is true, as with all such stats, devil is in the details :).
| whycome wrote:
| > Apple hates me
|
| Actually, you're exactly the person they love. Just enough
| annoyance to consider a macbook and iCloud.
| r00fus wrote:
| I used to do physical backups until iOS16 arrived with
| advanced data protection (ie, E2EE in iCloud for backups).
| wombat-man wrote:
| It's quite slow to even do a music sync, but I might be doing
| something wrong.
| [deleted]
| whakim wrote:
| I will say the 15 Pro is a little smaller than the 14 Pro, and
| while it isn't a small phone per se, it's a lot smaller than
| most Android flagships. That's something at least.
| NotYourLawyer wrote:
| I don't remember the last time I used a wire to transfer data
| to/from my phone. This seems like a non issue.
| [deleted]
| seydor wrote:
| they are holding it for next year's upgrade
| bit_logic wrote:
| USB 2.0 is a missed opportunity for bringing Stage
| Manager/screen mirroring feature from iPadOS to iPhone. This is
| already possible with iPad and a USB A + HDMI -> USB C adapter
| (plug keyboard/mouse into USB A, monitor into HDMI, and USB C
| into iPad).
| GloriousKoji wrote:
| USB3 (on USBC) is actually asymmetric signaling so you need
| either a separate chip or digital logic to handle muxing the
| signals around which is extra cost Apple probably doesn't want
| to eat. The USB-2 pins on USBC are symmetrical so nothing extra
| required.
| dmix wrote:
| Has the EU legislation factored in the USB-*(D?) might come
| next? Hopefully it doesn't slow down adoption of new
| technology.
|
| The main downside instead of buying a lightning cable that
| always work we now have to decipher the 10 minor variations of
| USB-C's various speeds/power now with zero consistency in
| naming schemes or amazon titles.
| post_break wrote:
| The iPhone is literally the last hold out for USB C. I'm
| pretty sure every modern Android phone supports USB PD and I
| think the EU is requiring PD charging as well, but nothing on
| connectivity speeds.
| dzikimarian wrote:
| EU legislation has review built-in. No way it's going to be
| slower than switch from lightning.
|
| Also from other commenters say Apple implemented USB 2.0, so
| you don't have to care about type of USB-C cable you're
| buying - these are for advanced features which as it seems
| are not present in iPhone 15.
| zapnuk wrote:
| If there is a USB-*, the EU can just update the policy for
| new devices with a grace period of X years. Problem solved.
| whoopdedo wrote:
| > RIP 13 Mini
|
| I wish I had been warned so I could have grabbed one before it
| was gone.
| data-ottawa wrote:
| You can still buy one from other retailers
| lh7777 wrote:
| Any suggestions? I see Best Buy has some open box minis for
| $630 and there are plenty of 3rd party refurbs for around
| $500. Feels like I'd have been better off buying a brand
| new one for $600 yesterday.
| pkulak wrote:
| I keep using Swappa, and it still works, even though no
| individual sellers are left.
| whoopdedo wrote:
| But for how long?
|
| Can't buy an unlocked phone from a carrier. Only other
| authorized resellers either don't sell phones (B&H,
| Adorama, Staples), have a limited selection which is in-
| store only (Target, Walmart), which leaves only Best Buy
| and right now I see everything on backorder. Now that Apple
| isn't taking new orders there's a good chance those will be
| cancelled.
|
| And then there's the roulette wheel of buying from Amazon
| or Newegg where you might get a refurbished phone
| advertised as "new" if it isn't a literal brick in a box.
|
| Still comes down to my fault for being slow to act. I said
| I wished for a warning but you know what they say about
| wishes.
|
| (For context of how slow I am, I'd be upgrading from a SE
| (2016))
| data-ottawa wrote:
| On the topic of the mini being removed, they also removed the
| plus and 13/14 Pro models.
|
| I wonder if they had a lot of 13 Pro purchases after they
| discounted it last year, which they felt could have been 14 Pro
| purchases.
| ipqk wrote:
| They always remove Pros after a year. See:
| https://daringfireball.net/2023/09/apples_two-
| pronged_annual...
| hbn wrote:
| They were selling the 13 Pro after the 14 Pro came out? I was
| pretty sure they always removed last year's Pro from the
| lineup when the new Pro comes out. Meanwhile last year's
| baseline models will stick around at a reduced price.
| NikolaNovak wrote:
| Boo.
|
| Just like with some car manufacturers, if you want e.g.
| increased safety or radar cruise control, you also need $10k
| of leather seats and sunroofs; by removing previous Pro
| models, Apple basically adds a _massive_ price premium to the
| zoom lens.
|
| As this is honestly the only thing I would need from a new
| phone, my wife and I stay on our iPhone XR year after year. I
| just can't pay $1500CAD merely to get more optical zoom than
| my existing phone :-/
| r00fus wrote:
| Or just buy used.
| tonymet wrote:
| usb c is garbage. It may be common, but it has atrocious
| compatibility. It's less durable than lightning , and hard to
| plug in.
|
| Thank European socialists for imposing a worse product on
| everyone.
| weatherlight wrote:
| Ahh yes, let's blame "Socialists" for this one..
| lawlessone wrote:
| It's the kind of thing most people would be delighted to
| blamed for.
| tclover wrote:
| Somebody forces you to buy this phone?
| tonymet wrote:
| they forced apple to replace a good connector with a worse
| one
| henry2023 wrote:
| They didn't force apple to replace lighting to USB-C
| everywhere. Just Europe. If Apple decided to replace it
| everywhere is because it's obviously superior.
| monsieurgaufre wrote:
| While you may have a point about the durability, i do not think
| you know/understand the meaning of all the words you used.
| tonymet wrote:
| you may have a usb c connector, but there's no way to know
| what protocol or current it supports.
| jcrash wrote:
| True. Thats is pretty annoying. Maybe they should color
| code them like USB-3 having the blue?
| monsieurgaufre wrote:
| I conceed you that point. It's gonna be annoying for a
| while.
| lawlessone wrote:
| haha what?
|
| >Thank European socialists for imposing a worse product on
| everyone.
|
| Universal Socialist Bus?
| seeg wrote:
| [dead]
| sneak wrote:
| "We have removed the Lightning port so now you can plug in your
| cables which are identified by the lightning bolt icon."
| thehours wrote:
| > Available starting on September 18, iCloud+ will offer two new
| plans: 6TB for $29.99 (U.S.) per month and 12TB for $59.99 (U.S.)
| per month, providing additional storage to keep files, photos,
| videos, and more safe, accessible, and easy to share.
|
| Interesting to see Apple finally bumping the upper limit on
| iCloud storage.
| ruined wrote:
| can i run firefox on it yet
| sytelus wrote:
| This felt like really let down release. I am usually the first
| one to upgrade iPhone no matter what but this year I felt no
| attachment to any of these "new" things. Just didn't cared at
| all.
|
| The things I would have cared:
|
| - Dual screen
|
| - AR/3D photo/video features in phone
|
| - Much better battery life
|
| - Full satellite communication
|
| - OS-wide AI features, massively upgraded Siri, AI-first mobile
| browser, auto-complete, spell+grammer check, rewrites
|
| - Even more AI features: Better reader-mode, PDF mode, maps
| infused with AI, super-res videos with structure from motion,
| flower/bird/food/tree/everything ID, so on and on.
|
| What's going on with Apple?
|
| The 2020s were "Internet in your pocket" and 2030s should be
| "Super smart AI in your pocket". Apple product managers feel so
| completely out of touch.
| jackdeansmith wrote:
| 3D photo/video features did come to the pro phones
| flower/bird/food/tree/everything ID is in the new OS, it
| identified a plant genus in one of my photos yesterday. Pretty
| cool!
| quitit wrote:
| Hmm, quite a few of the features you've listed are not only in
| the next iOS, but already in older versions and the current.
|
| AR already exists with the lidar-enabled apps, maps is already
| AR enabled in landscape mode, 3D Video "spatial" recording was
| announced.
|
| AI features such as sentence auto-complete, upgraded spelling
| and grammar are already announced for iOS 17, due out in a few
| weeks.
|
| AI identification of objects is already present and links
| through to Siri knowledge for explanations/further information
| (e.g. what breed of flower, landmark, type of cat is this?)
| derekdahmer wrote:
| Damn give it a minute. All this LMM/GPT stuff just blew up in
| the last 9 months.
| unethical_ban wrote:
| For an apple user on HN, you're expecting them to act like
| Oneplus.
|
| Apple doesn't (usually) do something first, but they often do
| new things well.
|
| LLMs have been mainstream for what, nine months? They aren't
| going to go all-in on new LLM features that quickly. And
| if/when they do, it'll just be labelled Siri with new
| capabilities.
|
| Satellite communications is incredible complex, and, I expect,
| difficult. Hell, for SOS you need to pause and point your phone
| in a particular direction. The scale just isn't there.
|
| Spatial video was announced, which is exactly what you are
| asking for in bullet two.
|
| Like, I don't get what you're saying. By the way, we're in the
| 2020s now. The 2030s are... ah, six years away.
| Kipters wrote:
| USB 2.0 on a 1000$ phone in 2023 is a bad joke. Boring update,
| both this and the pro but of course it will sell millions.
| fckgw wrote:
| The regular iPhone starts at $799
| SpacePortKnight wrote:
| That does not include any tax.
| ezfe wrote:
| Tax doesn't apply elsewhere. You can buy an iPhone without
| paying tax in multiple states.
| lotsofpulp wrote:
| $829 for everyone not using Verizon.
|
| Edit: this is incorrect, iPhone 15 starts at $799 for all.
| fckgw wrote:
| It's $799 on all three major carriers and $829 unlocked.
| It's on the Apple website you can look this stuff up
| yourself
| lotsofpulp wrote:
| I see, Apple is giving the same price for iPhone 15 for
| all 3 carriers.
|
| But if you check 14/13/SE, then if you do not chose
| Verizon, the price is $30 higher. I bought a 13 mini
| yesterday morning, which is when I experienced the extra
| $30, and I assumed it applies to all the iPhones.
|
| Apparently, current year iPhones are excluded from the
| $30 surcharge for non Verizon subscribers.
|
| Also, all iPhones sold on apple.com are unlocked, even
| the $799 ones. Only exception is if you buy with an ATT
| subsidized contract.
| m4tthumphrey wrote:
| I am very disappointed in myself and in their trade in offer. I
| made the switch from Android to iOS after 15 years or so of being
| an Android die hard in July, with the intention of considering
| the 15 as a trade in. They offered me PS635 for a 14 Pro Max 256.
| Less than half what I paid 2 months ago.
| henry2023 wrote:
| I'd wait until the iPhone 20 if I'd purchased a new phone two
| months ago.
| RockRobotRock wrote:
| Swappa
| 8f2ab37a-ed6c wrote:
| Is anybody else somewhat underwhelmed by the innovation here?
| Faster CPU, different colors, new case, better camera, better
| battery, thinner bezels etc. Same thing we see every.. single..
| year..
|
| I'm glad they're taking risks with the Vision Pro, but it feels
| like the phone has become a highly conservative platform.
|
| Maybe this is just the reality of having a product that sells as
| many units as the iPhone does every single year.
| asciimov wrote:
| Apple has ran out of design gas. But to be honest even in the
| late Jobs/Ive years they were running on fumes with 'thin'
| being the last hill to climb.
|
| I really wish Apple would try a different design aesthetic,
| such as a move to something warmer and friendlier than the last
| 20+ years.
| user3939382 wrote:
| Do we still care about the health and pay of the laborers in the
| factories making these things?
| rs_rs_rs_rs_rs wrote:
| I don't and I don't think you do too.
| narenst wrote:
| How does the camera on these new phones with mirrorless cameras
| at less than $1000 price point?
|
| Dedicated cameras have around 20 Megapixels but much larger
| sensor size - but does it really matter if the most I would do is
| print them into a photobook?
| pvg wrote:
| If you don't fiddle with the phone camera photos much and are
| happy with them, there's not much difference. A $1k-ish
| mirrorless is a much more capable camera but it doesn't fit in
| your pocket and has about as many controls as a nuclear reactor
| control room.
| arvidkahl wrote:
| Looking at the A16 chip and the neural engine on it, I am really
| happy to see machine learning and "AI stuff" moving onto my
| phone, away from the cloud.
|
| I can't wait to see phones becoming a place for _useful_ AI use
| cases -- with the privacy improvements of on-device computation.
| ajonit wrote:
| Only Apple can make people clap and screech for introducing a
| freaking charging port - USB C. :)
| thescriptkiddie wrote:
| no sim slot lmao have fun explaining to your carrier what an esim
| is
| alexalx666 wrote:
| Super sad new OS versions were not released
| diegorbaquero wrote:
| iOS 17 was already announced earlier this year. Should be
| released fully this fall.
| layer8 wrote:
| Will be released on 9/18.
| jcrash wrote:
| You can use ios17 today, it works great
| minimaxir wrote:
| They are always released ~one week after the event. (date
| appears to be September 18th, so 6 days)
| sp332 wrote:
| Man, I really miss that Playstation microsite making fun of the
| Xbox Kinect. I think of that guy saying "WE have BUTTONS!" every
| time someone pretends that having buttons is a revelation.
| jgrahamc wrote:
| I am sad that the Pro is getting rid of the silent button. It is
| solid and I know when it's activated and I know it won't
| accidentally be on. Not sure I really need another push button.
| That silent button was/is a key feature of iPhone for me.
| mholm wrote:
| I don't think I've ever intended for the phone to be anything
| but silent. It's a much better experience for users to be able
| to remap what the button does, instead of depending on the few
| users who still depend on ringtones.
| jgrahamc wrote:
| Ah. Good point. I guess I can remap this button to something
| else and basically never use the un-silent mode!
| r00fus wrote:
| I kinda feel the same way although I am excited to be able to
| use the "action" button for other things and just leave the
| phone muted/silent permanently (as it is currently).
| redbell wrote:
| > The fast and efficient A16 Bionic chip brings proven
| performance to iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Plus..
|
| > The iPhone 15 lineup offers convenient new ways to charge...
| Both models use a USB-C connector, _a universally accepted
| standard for charging and transferring data_
|
| Only Apple can do _selling_ like this. It's clearly that
| marketing is at its heart or even in its DNA.
|
| Only Apple can sell you a brand-new phone with last year's chip
| and still convince you that you made a _deal_. I admit that the
| A16 is still at the top of the chips but you get the point.
|
| Only Apple can bring something years old in the Android phones by
| making the iPhone supports the universal USB-C and keeps telling
| you about the benefits it brings to the table. Apparently, Apple
| was forced by the EU to bring USB-C otherwise, we might not live
| to see this happening. Anyway, I'm glad they did it.
| Terretta wrote:
| They should have removed the charge port completely.
| racl101 wrote:
| Cool. Will be sure to buy in 3 years. I just got a phone last
| year.
| FumblingBear wrote:
| I know a lot of people are apprehensive about the Apple Vision
| Pro, but seeing that I'll be able to take Spatial Videos with the
| iPhone 15 Pro Max was a huge feature for me. I can't see myself
| ever taking those videos with the headset itself, but if I can do
| it from my phone and re-watch the videos later, that's a massive
| QoL improvement imo.
|
| That alone makes the upgrade worth it for me since I'm planning
| on picking up the Vision Pro!
| quitit wrote:
| That was one of the more realistic complaints about the vision
| pro, "why would you take photos with it instead of experiencing
| the moment directly". A few people suggested that the iPhone
| will probably come into the equation, and it seems they were
| correct in that thinking (the timings suggest Apple had it
| planned this way.)
| dvngnt_ wrote:
| POV. iykyk
| dexterdog wrote:
| Have you been to anything involving kids performing in front
| of parents? Half of them are experiencing it through their
| phone. Very few people experience moments directly. The funny
| part is that unless something crazy happens very few of those
| videos ever get watched.
| vel0city wrote:
| I definitely try and be mindful about when I'm pulling out
| a camera or my phone to record versus being in the moment,
| but I do know in my family we tend to look at the stuff we
| record pretty often. Just about every other night before we
| go to bed one of the kids is saying "I want to look at
| pictures", aka lets go flip through some random spots in
| our lives and relive those memories together for ten
| minutes as we wind down in the evening.
| dahwolf wrote:
| Well, not anymore. You can now take a wide landscape shot
| of some beautiful scenery, and then go home and sit on a
| couch all by yourself to look at it with a VisionPro.
| Allegedly, it's impressive, almost like you were there ;)
| greymalik wrote:
| Or been to a concert in the last 10 years? Nothing but a
| sea of phones.
| paint wrote:
| Then you're going to the wrong concerts. Lil Pump? Maybe.
| (Not to say anything against hip hop as a genre, but i've
| seen insta stories and as you say they're just seas of
| phone screens in the crowd. Disgusting)
|
| At good jazz or alt rock concerts people take their phone
| out to take a few videos and pictures and then enjoy the
| rest of the show. For the _really good_ concerts they
| make you put a sticker on the camera of your phone.
| quitit wrote:
| I feel that's not a reasonable comparison, filming
| something with a camera versus wearing a headset.
|
| While I agree that holding up a phone in front of your face
| presents some degree of being disconnected from the action,
| I feel wearing a headset where one's entire view of the
| scene is a computed feed via cameras is totally
| disconnected.
|
| So I do still agree that it wasn't a reasonable suggestion
| that people would be filming important life events while
| wearing their APV headset.
| ptd wrote:
| Just out of curiosity-how old are you? This pushback
| reminds me of teachers trying to fight phones in the
| classroom.
| quitit wrote:
| It's a human behaviour questions. So I don't feel my age
| is relevant here, since I am not everyone.
|
| If you think it's reasonable that a person is going to be
| strapped into a headset at a child's birthday party, then
| that is indicative of what you believe would be socially
| normal or acceptable behaviour. I dare say other family
| members or guests won't see it that way.
|
| In my opinion the idea of any person walking around with
| a headset on in social settings is not realistic.
|
| There is a not subtle difference between picking up a
| phone and filming something versus living an event where
| the only visual stimulus one receives is a second hand
| video feed. The discussion here seems to be pinned to an
| idea that this is equivalent, I can say very confidently
| that it is not.
|
| Side note: I don't live in a bubble, I'm pretty
| accustomed to watching the stage via other people's phone
| screens when I don't have a direct view. I also film when
| I have someone in mind to share it with. However the idea
| that people are filming to use the footage is largely
| wrong, they're excited and enjoying the moment and want
| to capture that somehow, so out comes the phone, they
| might show some of it to a friend later, but largely it's
| unused and not looked back upon. This behaviour is not
| comparable to wearing a headset.
| rvnx wrote:
| It's a software thing, so maybe they can just add it to iOS 17
| and that's it.
| jdminhbg wrote:
| It's software plus cameras, they're stitching together video
| from various focal lengths. I don't think the non-Pro Max
| models will ever be able to do it.
| atommclain wrote:
| Rewatching the event video, it sounds recording spatial
| videos is supported on both 15 Pro models (time stamp
| ~1:17:30). I don't see anything on the compare iPhone
| models page though: https://www.apple.com/iphone/compare/
| rvnx wrote:
| Yes, of course. I meant for iPhone 14 Pro. I wonder if they
| will release the feature there as well or restrict it
| artificially.
| jdminhbg wrote:
| The 15 Pro Max has more and more different cameras than
| the 14 Pro does. I don't know whether it would actually
| work or not.
| cypress66 wrote:
| I personally find stereo/3d video basically no more immersive
| than regular video. I wouldn't bother putting a headset just
| for that.
|
| It needs to be like VR 360 video where you can look around to
| be worth it.
| dmix wrote:
| Well I see Vision as just a secondary computing platform like
| using an iPad. Something you throw on, on the couch after
| work, and chill for an hour or two messing around, while
| messaging people in the Vision (sending photos back/forth).
|
| So basically you wouldn't _need_ to put it on to watch them
| but you 'd regularly already have it on, instead of, say,
| watching TV. VR googles for those videos aren't exactly a
| hard requirement either if you're on the go.
|
| If it stops being a novelty like "see this amazing experience
| in VR" where you hype yourself up and put work on doing it
| just for that - sure - it's not very amazing. But when it
| comes normal and integrated into a computing platform you
| already use daily it's definitely a plus.
| dmix wrote:
| Vacation photos and kids birthday memories are about to get way
| more interesting.
|
| What are the TikTok implications?
| acid__ wrote:
| Prediction: There will soon be a lot more VR "content"
| available with the proliferation of VR-capable recording
| devices.
|
| This could be a big push towards making the metaverse more
| compelling.
| r00fus wrote:
| The "metaverse" is as dead as 3D TV. It's not really coming
| anytime soon.
| HDThoreaun wrote:
| I don't think so. The metaverse is the obvious endgame for
| entertainment. The only question is how long it takes to
| get there. Zero marginal cost everything is just a
| continuation of what made software so succesful so I think
| it should be clear to HN users why the idea behind the
| metaverse is so powerful.
| darklycan51 wrote:
| "A huge leap forward for iPhone with a gorgeous new design"
|
| What new design exactly? lol... UBC-C is nice but new design is a
| stretch...
| flippy_flops wrote:
| I am absolutely baffled that Apple (and others) haven't updated
| their smart assistants with a competitive LLM. With Apple's
| privacy shtick and their mobile GPU efficiency, I was convinced
| we'd see something today. What am I missing?
| quantisan wrote:
| Apple's own LLM and major Siri update is supposed to be coming
| in iOS 18 next year. So says the rumour,
| https://www.macrumors.com/2023/09/06/ios-18-siri-improvement...
| alwillis wrote:
| There were zero rumors about LLM from Apple being announced
| today. It wouldn't be the time and the place for such an
| announcement.
|
| Such a feature would be included with iOS 18 and that's not
| going to be talked about until next June's WWDC 2024.
| sircastor wrote:
| LLMs can't guarantee factuality. They're great for the
| conversational component, but they're a seriously bad and
| responding with reliably factual information. More important
| that its ability to deal with complexity would be an
| assistant's ability to respond to a request correctly.
| jameshart wrote:
| When they talked about Siri on-device on Apple Watch 9 they
| _briefly_ said Siri had a 'new transformer model' and talked
| about improved dictation accuracy.
|
| Honestly was half expecting more along those lines as part of
| the new chip announcement for the iPhone 15 Pro, but apparently
| not.
| skepticATX wrote:
| Reliability, probably? Apple is not going to allow for
| hallucinations.
| zukzuk wrote:
| Siri in its current form is constantly "hallucinating" all
| sorts of stuff as it is. "Hey Siri, turn off the lights in
| the kitchen." -- "Sure, now playing a continuous stream of U2
| on all of your speakers!"
| ryandrake wrote:
| LOL as an iPhone user whose only music on the phone is That
| One Free U2 Album That We Never Wanted, I laughed too hard
| at that one!
| letwhile wrote:
| Because they can't control it not talking extremist stuff, and
| that would be used by media and normies for months
| brap wrote:
| I think the last thing people want is a voice assistant that
| babbles on and on forever when asked a simple question.
|
| I really hope that when they release something, the responses
| will be 5% of the endless stream of words ChatGPT & others
| produce.
| flippy_flops wrote:
| Agree - fwiw, I added "ChatGPT should keep answers brief and
| direct." as part of my Custom instructions and it's a massive
| improvement.
| brap wrote:
| I usually say things like "please be extremely succinct.
| Response should be one sentence at most".
|
| "Sure! I will try to be succinct.
|
| [4 paragraphs]"
| XTHK wrote:
| I will remind you that most every parent and child both want
| this, albeit for totally different reasons.
| 2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote:
| LLM? Everyone has an LLM. They'll announce a PLM (personal
| language model) in a year and act like they were first.
| newaccount74 wrote:
| I think Apple missed the boat on LLMs and was surprised by the
| success of ChatGPT.
|
| They are no doubt working on an LLM-based Siri now, but they
| don't rush things, and they don't preannounce things, so we'll
| only hear about it once it is ready. And they are probably
| going to use a different term for marketing it rather than
| using a generic term like LLM.
| Workaccount2 wrote:
| Siri, now powered by Speech Synthesis Engine(tm).
| 9dev wrote:
| Not sexy enough. My money's on ,,Apple Voice"
| lolinder wrote:
| I don't think they missed the boat, I think they recognize
| that LLMs aren't Apple-ready yet.
|
| They don't roll out half-baked products, and they won't be
| comfortable placing the big disclaimers that ChatGPT relies
| on. They'll incorporate LLMs if and when they can guarantee
| that what Siri says will be consistently accurate and
| extremely difficult to abuse.
| jonplackett wrote:
| Siri is the very definition of a half-baked product.
|
| Perhaps even quarter baked. and has been sitting there in
| the turned-off-oven for YEARS.
| hbn wrote:
| LLMs as they are now are not a drop-in replacement for
| what people use voice assistants for.
|
| If you ask it a question it doesn't know the answer to,
| "I don't know" is better than making up a bullshit
| answer. That could be potentially hazardous at iPhone
| levels of scale, giving everyone easy access to what
| appears to be a very intelligent AI chatbot without them
| understanding that it shouldn't be relied on for a lot of
| information people will ask it.
| tornato7 wrote:
| They would get an immediate benefit from using an LLM for
| intent recognition - i.e. knowing that a user wants to
| search or set a timer, etc. Current Siri is really bad at
| this. I'm sure even a fine-tuned Llama 7B would be a
| massive improvement over Siri.
| dijit wrote:
| Siri was actually once a better product than it is now.
|
| Just like the apple keyboard on iPhones.
|
| You're not imagining it; it is actually worse.
|
| This is the first ever integration with iPhone after
| acquisition, it never got better than this
| https://youtu.be/SpGJNPShzRc?si=a5JgHgnK6Nf2p7BY
| Aleklart wrote:
| It is phone voice assistant and if you learn how to use
| it, it works great as intended. The problem is when you
| want too much interaction. ChatGPT can fake it, Siri -
| cant.
| filleokus wrote:
| Agree that Siri isn't very good, and have been quite
| stagnant. It was released in 2011, that's 12 years ago!?
| Sure it's probably better now, but not 12 years of
| development better?
|
| But, at the same time. ChatGPT and the likes have a very
| different failure mode, that feels even less Appley. Like
| saying actual fake stuff, or saying it understand that
| you want to turn the AC on when your son leaves school
| coming home - but then just not doing it, or doing
| something completely different. With current Siri the
| failings are at least very obvious...
| tornato7 wrote:
| Anecdotally, I feel like Siri was usable to send text
| messages and emails when it first came out. Now it
| struggles to do even that.
| ryaneager wrote:
| I agree, a quote I heard from a former Apple employee from
| the onboarding materials: "Apple doesn't do things first,
| we do things right."
| teh_hippo wrote:
| They definitely missed the boat in my eyes. The speed at
| which others have been able to produce meaningful
| assistants with LLM is astonishing. Considering Apple also
| have an approach where they announce and release in
| November / early the following year, to have nothing
| revealed seems like a missed opportunity to me.
| davidktr wrote:
| No half-baked products? Have you ever tried using the
| translation feature in the book app? That is the most
| infuriating, dumb piece of software I have seen in a long
| time.
| arrowsmith wrote:
| > They don't roll out half-baked products
|
| You must be really young if you don't remember when they
| rolled out Apple Maps.
| mackrevinack wrote:
| there was nothing wrong with apple maps, you were just
| holding it wrong
| kemayo wrote:
| Yeah, it seems plausible that they'll do it eventually, but
| it'll be "the new improved Siri, powered by the Neural Engine
| and transformer models".
| basch wrote:
| While trying to come up with an Apple buzzword I realized
| we are not far away from Apple announcing Thought Control.
| manmal wrote:
| They better quadruple iPhone RAM for that.
| dumpHero2 wrote:
| Apple has consistently missed the boat on every major
| technical advancement, when compared to android. But when
| they do catch up, the quality is unmatched! Hoping the same
| with LLMs. I am sure they're already working on it.
| knodi123 wrote:
| Siri has been less performant than OK Google for something like
| 5 years, in my estimation.
| seydor wrote:
| it will be more profitable if they sell the Siri entry point to
| the one who bothers to do the research , the same way they sell
| the search box to google.
| paxys wrote:
| Not going to happen until Apple can fully control the bounds of
| the output generated by the LLM (which no one is capable of
| doing right now). A handful of instances of it
| spouting...unfriendly stuff is enough to dent Apple's
| reputation, and so they aren't going to take the risk.
| vrnvu wrote:
| There is a rumor that Apple is working on an "embedded"
| "SiriGPT". Imagine "ChatGPT" but on device, no API calls, no
| extra latency. And all apps on your device can use this
| "SiriGPT" instantly to enrich the user experience.
| twobitshifter wrote:
| You can set up a Siri Shortcut linked to chatgpt and fire away
| your questions.
| Aleklart wrote:
| May be Apple care about privacy?
| threeseed wrote:
| From rumours [1] it is being worked on.
|
| Apple isn't the sort of company to rush something out just to
| be competitive.
|
| [1] https://www.macrumors.com/2023/09/06/apple-conversational-
| ai...
| justapassenger wrote:
| It takes a while to roll out fundamental changes to things at
| that scale.
| fretting2 wrote:
| Bummed at the lack of thunderbolt on the pro
| amelius wrote:
| The article reads like an ad.
| sbuk wrote:
| The 'article' is a press release on a vendor's site. Are you
| expecting objectivity?
| speedgoose wrote:
| Press releases are a good way to advertise your products.
| 0xDEF wrote:
| I think there is a market for an Apple silicon competitor to the
| Steam Deck and ROG Ally. Apple has proven that performance
| doesn't have to come at the cost of battery life.
| can16358p wrote:
| I'm usually excited and have been upgrading every year since 11
| Pro Max.
|
| This was the most boring, unimpressive iPhone event I've ever
| seen in my life.
| creativenolo wrote:
| Hat tip to the designers for coming up with the idea of using
| USB-C themselves then marketing the benefits /s
| andreitp1 wrote:
| Interesting that they allow shortcuts with the new Action button.
| People will hook it up to ChatGPT and replace Siri for general
| purpose Q&A.
| ukd1 wrote:
| Removing the mute switch for the action button is a step
| backwards; if I upgrade I'd not be able to feel in my pocket that
| my phone is on mute.
| annexrichmond wrote:
| Wow, this is something I do _all_ the time as well.
| doctoboggan wrote:
| They claimed a different haptic feedback for on vs off, so if
| that's true you will be able to tell the mode you've toggled
| into by feel.
| ukd1 wrote:
| Ya - better that purely visual I guess - yet I'd need to
| toggle it to tell, unlike now
| dilap wrote:
| Current switch you can feel just be position -- don't need to
| toggle. You can also tell just by visual inspection.
|
| "Action button" feels like a gimmick, and I agree, backwards
| for usability.
| monological wrote:
| I feel like this is an epic joke. Except the joke is on all the
| suckers paying $1k for essentially the same phone, but wow, now
| with a usb-c port. Please Tim Apple...take my money faster. Even
| better, please strap it to my head so I can be even more
| disconnected from other people.
| phoenk wrote:
| I plan on buying one, and I have a 3 year old android phone. I
| would have upgraded sooner, but I basically wanted an iphone 14
| but with USB C so I don't have to get new cables. Now I can get
| that.
| jkubicek wrote:
| How many people are actually paying $1k for "essentially the
| same phone"?
|
| I'm upgrading from a 3 year old iPhone, so everything here is
| pretty exciting for me.
| sph wrote:
| I have a 4 year old phone and I don't see anything worth
| upgrading. USB-C, yay! But I already have a Lightning cable
| at home, is that worth hundreds of dollars?
| monological wrote:
| Do you really need to upgrade your 3 year old iPhone if you
| think about it? Those are still quite fast and can do
| everything you need. To me it seems like a waste, but you do
| you.
| jkubicek wrote:
| Even upgrading from last years phone would be worth it for
| the ability to record spacial video. I want to start
| capturing 3D vids as soon as I possibly can.
| KolmogorovComp wrote:
| Do we have a ball-park of how much is spent on each iPhone
| iteration? A billion USD?
| killjoywashere wrote:
| Like, on the R&D of the iPhone? Wouldn't be surprised if it was
| a $1B, honestly, I suspect that's a bit low.
| artursapek wrote:
| [flagged]
| htk wrote:
| The only big limitation of the Lightning connection for me was
| video output (limited resolution and compressed signal). I hope
| the USB-C on the 15 Pro gets rid of this limitation.
| brundolf wrote:
| Some people are probably sad about the mute switch, which is
| understandable, but I for one am really excited about the action
| button
| padjo wrote:
| The main thing they talk about is a back glass that I will
| immediately hide by putting it in a case because I cannot hold on
| to such slippery devices.
| MangoCoffee wrote:
| I don't see anything exciting about the iphone 15.
| grej wrote:
| Still no TouchID. Boooo!
| unethical_ban wrote:
| * USB-C
|
| * Nice camera upgrade on the pro (for people who really care
| about the focal length/etc)
|
| * Satellite roadside assist in US
|
| * Spatial video looks great. Even if I can't play it back yet, I
| can begin recording things with it _now_ to render it in the
| future. I think that 's big.
|
| * Custom button vs. vibrate toggle: As long as the haptic
| feedback distinguishes between vibrate and ringer and silent,
| then it is suitable. I just need to know what setting it's on
| while it's in my pocket.
| mholm wrote:
| Camera upgrade is only for the Pro Max. Looks like the 15 Pro
| has the same camera system as the 14 Pro
| unethical_ban wrote:
| Looking at the pro page on their site, the only diff between
| pro and promax on the camera is the 5x telephoto.
| bobsmith432 wrote:
| Where's the removable battery? Is that not coming until next
| iPhone? What about third-party app stores? Love to see their
| walled garden come crashing down.
| notesinthefield wrote:
| When were these things ever more than pie-in-the-sky solutions
| to litigation? this is apple we're talking about, the EU had to
| threaten to axe them from a third of the world if they didnt
| comply with USB-C laws.
| bobsmith432 wrote:
| As far as I know, laws exist because there are people in the
| world who are so clueless or twisted they need to be
| prevented from doing blatantly stupid things that harm others
| by force, and apparently Apple is so stupid they can't just
| play fair and respect your right to repair (take it to us so
| we can overcharge you, you damn well aint fixin it yourself
| or else youll break it you idiot lol!!!!), or right to own
| one charger for all your technology (please invest in our
| outdated charging standard that only made sense back when our
| competitors used those god-awful micro USB cables with the
| two teeth of death), or your right to own the headphones
| you'd like (buy our $150 wireless earbuds that are even more
| difficult to repair than our phones because headphones that
| didn't need batteries and were powered by two wires that
| worked on anything made after the 80's were ACTUALLY
| polluting the Earth, you could technically use those if you
| buy our overpriced adapter, but you're literally polluting
| the planet you psycho!). Their excuses for doing these things
| make no sense, and either go back to greenwashing, planned
| obsolescence or walled garden locking.
|
| I don't blame folks for buying Apple, the software is great
| I'm sure (I personally hate it, but I use Windows XP with the
| classic theme and oldschool WinAmp almost every day so to
| each their own) and I respect the people who enjoy it, but
| everybody needs to play by the rules, and when Apple is
| clearly not with their hardware, f*cking people over and
| lying about it, maybe we do need laws to keep them in check,
| because Timmy Apple isn't making me buy an iPhone for my
| whole family because they won't implement RCS.
| GoToRO wrote:
| Apple: make me!
| layer8 wrote:
| Removable batteries will only become mandatory in 2027 (in the
| EU).
|
| The law about third-party app stores will become effective in
| spring 2024. According to rumors, Apple will limit it to EU
| customers though.
| mettamage wrote:
| Does anyone have any clue how long I have to wait for a
| replaceable battery? IIRC the EU has made it happen that tech
| giants need to conform to this.
| criddell wrote:
| The batteries are replaceable. If you are talking about having
| a second battery that you can lug around for when you need it,
| there are battery cases for this.
| [deleted]
| Etheryte wrote:
| When people say replaceable battery they don't mean that a
| trained technician with specialty tools is able to replace
| the battery.
| dmt0 wrote:
| 2027 apparently
| bilekas wrote:
| > A huge leap forward for iPhone with a gorgeous new design
|
| I do like iPhone, I actually have a personal one and work provide
| me with one too, I like their security aspects. But can how can
| they say with a straigh face this is a new design ?
| lotsofpulp wrote:
| Many people claim they are a few inches taller and 30lbs
| lighter than they are with a straight face all the time.
|
| Claiming a device has a new design when it actually has a few
| different design elements does not seem like too much of a
| stretch, for an advertisement.
| n8cpdx wrote:
| I like to set the bar for trillion-dollar corporations a bit
| higher than Grindr catfish.
| lotsofpulp wrote:
| Higher than changing the internals? Changing the silence
| toggle to a button? Changing the material of the body?
|
| If you do not expect marketing departments to call that a
| new design, you simply will not be happy with what pretty
| much every other business does and will do.
|
| https://www.zdnet.com/article/apple-just-made-the-
| iphone-15-...
| bilekas wrote:
| > Claiming a device a new design when it actually has a few
| different design elements does not seem like too much of a
| stretch, for an advertisement
|
| I don't personally see the new design. This is Apple, king of
| "design" and the designers/creatives go to company (for good
| reason) but this is not a new design. This is a, moderate at
| best, alteration. I'm also not saying it has been a bad
| design, it's just not new, even for them.
|
| Maybe it's the advertising world that is tilting me more and
| more in my later years.
| matsemann wrote:
| And "a huge leap" isn't true just because they repeat it 6(!)
| times on the page.
| jeroenhd wrote:
| If they don't, an entire team of designers may lose their jobs.
| It has to be new or refreshing, otherwise what's the point of
| buying a new one?
| bilekas wrote:
| This reminds me of a (maybe bad taste) joke about how UI & UX
| was perfected a few years back but designers had to keep
| creating huge Medium articles on their font and logo
| creations that curved a few pixels from the original.
| tootie wrote:
| I'll go a step further and say that pretty much every phone for
| the last 5-10 years looks indistinguishable to me. And most
| people just buy cases.
| bilekas wrote:
| > For the first time in a smartphone, color is infused
| throughout the back glass, creating five beautiful colors
|
| Which will stay in a protective cover/case for it's life forbid
| you need to repair a crack.
| gnopgnip wrote:
| The iphone 14 non pro addressed that problem, presumably the
| 15 non pro will as well. It is cheap to replace, they have a
| DIY kit
| Coryodaniel wrote:
| Staying with my mini! These phones are too damn big!
| mark_l_watson wrote:
| I was not going to get a new iPhone since I really like the size
| and shape of my iPhone 11 Pro. However, if the 15's usb-c
| interface will drive my Apple Studio Pro XDR monitor, then sold!
| dbg31415 wrote:
| I hate the non-live presentations. Just hate them.
|
| Who thought adding all the filters and special effects was cool?
|
| It just makes it feel cheap. And my god, the people talking don't
| sound like people at all.
| EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK wrote:
| USB-C - check, 2x optical zoom - check, 2.5k+ pix screen - check.
| So, basically, Galaxy S10 plus?
| NotYourLawyer wrote:
| There sure are a lot of comments here about USB2. I can't imagine
| anyone actually giving a shit about it though. Wifi, Bluetooth,
| airdrop, etc. are all perfectly fine. What are you people
| plugging your phone in for other than just charging?
| Terretta wrote:
| And 90% in our office have never plugged their iPhone in for
| charging, using MagSafe stands instead.
| NotYourLawyer wrote:
| MagSafe stands are convenient, but a good USB-C charger is
| waaaay faster when you're in a hurry.
| nonane wrote:
| It also has a built-in AV1 Decoder! This is the first time Apple
| has indicated they're going to start using AV1!
| Andrew_nenakhov wrote:
| I can only say this: finally, a type-C port.
| bjoli wrote:
| I wonder if we could ever hope for it to get a 3.5mm port. I am
| rocking a pixel 5a with a broken screen, but I haven't found a
| good update yet. An iPhone with an audio jack would make me
| leave android in 10 seconds.
| jcrash wrote:
| I felt the same way, until I got an iPhone without it. It's
| truly unnecessary in 2023. If you really need a headphone
| jack, the adapters work great.
|
| Otherwise, AirPods are 100x better than wired.
| quitit wrote:
| Because I hear this less and less, your comment does stand
| out - what really piques my curiosity. Could you share your
| primary motivation for wanting an analogue audio jack? Like
| you do you have some great old headphones, or is there some
| other compelling reasons that I don't know about? No reason
| is silly, it's just something I'm really curious about
| because I come from the other side where I moved to wireless
| long before the jack was removed.
| FrankoDelMar wrote:
| Not OP, but I used to use a decent pair of wired, in-ear
| headphones with the male Lightning to female 3.5mm adaptor
| since I found wireless headphone quality during that time
| to be subpar up until the airpod pros came out. I still had
| a lot of issues with this configuration however as the
| adapter was flimsy and would break frequently, and since
| the DAC was now placed in the adapter itself, the audio
| quality was noticeably worse than in the previous 3.5mm
| models. But even with good bluetooth headphones, bluetooth
| just doesn't have enough bandwidth to listen to music at
| high fidelity.
| happytiger wrote:
| They got dragged kicking and screaming to this solution by
| European regulators. Glad it's finally done, but good Lord that
| was too long coming.
| quitit wrote:
| While the EU is a factor, the EU's mandatory ruling came too
| late to affect this product. In term's of iPhone release
| schedules only the iPhone 17 would fall into needing
| mandatory USB-C.
|
| The USB-3 controller is in the A17 chip and not a separate
| component, considering the lead time for chip design and
| production it seems Apple had the transition in mind for
| quite a bit longer than the recent legislation changes in EU
| parliament.
|
| As a timeline: the EU Parliament only proposed making USB-C
| mandatory in September 2021, and then only formally approved
| it in October 2022, prior to that it was just the EU's
| serving suggestion. Enforcement only begins on new product
| introductions from the latest October 2024, Apple release
| their Phones in September, meaning both the iPhone 15 and 16
| could realistically still use lightning without infringement.
|
| However now that Apple has introduced USB-C EU member states
| can safely fast track the law without affecting their
| economies (despite certain HN fantasies, forcing a major
| phone supplier out of the market for lolz is not good for a
| country.)
| isykt wrote:
| You think Apple was dragged kicking and screaming into being
| able to sell the same accessories they have already developed
| but with a different connector?
|
| Once the EU signaled they were going to mandate this, there
| was no reason to do it any sooner. When Apple changed from
| 30-pin, there was an uproar. "Now my iPod Alarm Clock doesn't
| work with my new iPhone!"
|
| Now gets it both ways: more sales, no blame. "The EU made us
| do it..."
| dmt0 wrote:
| And now they're presenting it as an upgrade.
| stephencoyner wrote:
| I was waiting for "one more thing" to show a new LLM powered
| Siri. I am disappointed
| tomashertus wrote:
| Siri needs complete revamp. I almost never find her answers and
| capabilities useful :(
| jcrash wrote:
| Same. Siri is slightly better on ios17 but still isn't as good
| as it could be if it used an LLM
| gorbypark wrote:
| Didn't they announce something of the sorts for the watch? I
| don't think it's a full on LLM but basic things are now using
| the on device Neural Engine instead of making a connection to
| the cloud.
| callalex wrote:
| LLMs are only one niche of Machine Learning, which Apple is
| utilizing heavily for audio transcription, search, image and
| video classification, image2text, video-to-3D-model, on-device
| search, photography and videography improvements, and more.
| luxuryballs wrote:
| disappointed but not surprised, even (the infamous /s) chatGPT
| isn't even half-way to Apple quality standards yet and Apple
| still has to make it useful, not just clever or impressive
| mholm wrote:
| That sounds like more of a software feature that we'd see in a
| WWDC. I'd expect we'll need to wait till June 2024 to see
| SiriGPT.
| Flatcircle wrote:
| I wonder if you'll be able to connect a harddrive to the phone
| via USB-C and send all your photos to your harddrive. (even if
| the process took a Mac to help facilitate) That'd be the best
| feature as people have all so many photos and at this point they
| have to live on the cloud. But whether they admit it or not, the
| cloud can be buggy and it's very common to lose photos or videos
| if that's the only place they live.
| phoenk wrote:
| Looks like this is supported:
| https://support.apple.com/guide/iphone/external-storage-devi...
| DrNosferatu wrote:
| The EU should mandate the increase of compulsory warranty from 2
| to 5 years.
|
| It would help reduce both sweatshops and e-waste.
| roge7331 wrote:
| Jep, its a black rectangle
| charles_f wrote:
| > A huge leap forward for iPhone
|
| Marginal improvement presented as huge leap forward. If only
| words had to mean something
|
| > with a gorgeous new design featuring a durable, color-infused
| back glass
|
| Didn't the iPhone 2 have a back glass? What's durable about a
| back glass, aluminium doesn't break.
| [deleted]
| nowooski wrote:
| It's pretty wild that Apple has held prices down the last few
| years in the face of elevated inflation. I decided to calculate
| the inflation-adjusted price of every iPhone ever, and the 15
| line are some of the most affordable (in 2023 dollars).
|
| Full table and charts are here:
| https://www.perfectrec.com/posts/iPhone15-price
|
| But the take aways are: - iPhone 15 is cheapest base model since
| the OG iPhone in 2007 - 15 Plus is cheapest large iPhone ever -
| 15 Pro is cheapest pro ever (and $250 cheaper than the first Pro
| model, the iPhone X).
| Synaesthesia wrote:
| For people in the US yes, overseas they are famously
| overpriced. Here in South Africa the cost of an iPhone is
| ridiculous.
| TimCTRL wrote:
| You could buy a 50x100 plot of land here in East Africa
| spiderice wrote:
| Using that logic literally everything in America is
| overpriced.
|
| Turns out different places have different costs of living.
| rootusrootus wrote:
| 50x100 in what units? There are lots of plots in the US
| that you can buy for under $1000/acre.
| sosodev wrote:
| Right? Considering USB-C and the fact that they moved most of
| the pro features into the base model it seems like a great time
| to upgrade from an older model.
| faeriechangling wrote:
| The iPhone is improving less and less generationally and faces
| stiff competition. Regarding the regular iPhone, I haven't seen
| Apple be this far back in display tech in such an expensive
| product since 2017 when the MacBook Air was still using a
| 1440x900 display.
|
| The pricing of the 15 pro is pretty remarkable to me
| considering apple is paying for titanium and 3nm silicon this
| time around. It's also interesting how Apple has knocked down
| the price of the Pro and SE models every generation.
| seizethecheese wrote:
| The phones are officially loss leaders for the service
| businesses.
| fdsafdsa32va wrote:
| nope, the phones are very profitable.
| seizethecheese wrote:
| Yep, I meant this in spirit, not literally, but looks like
| I was wrong even in spirit:
|
| https://sixcolors.com/post/2023/02/apple-results-and-
| charts-...
| paint wrote:
| Apple phones are a lot more expensive than android phones of
| similar specs
| dev_tty01 wrote:
| Not true. Apple is super disciplined about profit margins.
| Each business has to be sustainable on its own and each
| product sells with a hefty margin or is doesn't make the cut.
| legulere wrote:
| Another perspective is that apple managed to keep prices more
| or less at the same level, while it has become more and more a
| medium-range product: there's not even the current chip anymore
| and only USB2.0
| gnicholas wrote:
| The cost of inputs has gone down. What has happened to the cost
| of storage and RAM (both commodities, I assume) over the last
| several years? They're still shipping "Pro" iPhones -- that
| cost as much as a computer -- with 128GB. That's one way to
| keep costs down, and to goose the demand for Apple's iCloud
| backup service.
| jbc1 wrote:
| With Apple's margins I doubt they're using a cost plus
| pricing model.
| gnicholas wrote:
| I wasn't assuming that either. I was just pointing out that
| I'm not impressed that their prices haven't gone up in an
| inflationary period, since some of the inputs for these
| devices have gone down in price (presumably by a lot).
| [deleted]
| SeanAnderson wrote:
| Hah. Hi Wally! Or, rather, I assume this is him.
|
| I found myself reading your post, then was like, "Oh hey I know
| someone who came to this conclusion already... oh shit, they're
| linking to PerfectRec? Oh shit, I think it's Wally on HN!"
|
| Hope you are well :)
| goldenjm wrote:
| Hi Sean! Nice to see you here! :)
| SeanAnderson wrote:
| Hey Joe! :D The whole gang is here, apparently!
| nowooski wrote:
| Hey Sean! Hope all is well. Glad the take was at least
| memorable enough you did a double take. :-)
| jmkni wrote:
| Gutted that the iPhone mini is essentially dead. I don't want a
| phone any bigger.
|
| I'll hang onto my 13 Mini for as long as I can, hopefully they
| will update the SE to basically be the new Mini.
| CephalopodMD wrote:
| Three most baffling thing about it is I see this comment in
| almost every iphone thread. I know so many people irl who have
| the same opinion including myself.
|
| If there are any Apple execs in this thread: please listen to
| your customers! We are screaming for a flagship mini!
| ndiddy wrote:
| Given the continued poor sales of the mini phones, it seems
| like only a vocal minority wants them.
| sph wrote:
| They had to cut the Mini line because it was bankrupting
| the company. It's not like Apple can afford to have a
| product that only sells a few hundred thousands units a
| year, are you kidding?
| cromka wrote:
| They are listening to their sales numbers and the numbers say
| that customers are, in fact, not interested in Mini.
| lastofthemojito wrote:
| I'm on Team Mini as well, but I can see why Apple canned
| it: https://www.macrumors.com/2022/04/21/iphone-13-mini-
| unpopula...
| jacobp100 wrote:
| The SE also doesn't do amazingly. The markup on the mini
| must have been way higher though. Its a shame
| CephalopodMD wrote:
| I'd argue the opposite! The segment is a minority, but the
| need within that segment is strong. It is not a 1 size fits
| all product, and 2-3% of your customer base might leave if
| a competitor fulfills that need. For your main revenue
| generator, that's not insignificant. See the Prego pasta
| sauce story https://www.enablemarketing.ie/can-business-
| learn-spaghetti-...
| accrual wrote:
| > The segment is a minority, but the need within that
| segment is strong.
|
| The only issue I see with this argument is that it
| doesn't matter to Corp if a small minority _really_ wants
| Thing, it only matters if selling Thing makes more money
| than not selling Thing.
| alsodumb wrote:
| Assuming that there is a fixed cost associated with the
| mini production line, and assuming they sales and service
| based revenue from mini users isn't a lot, it doesn't
| make financial sense to have the mini line.
|
| Also, where exactly are the users gonna go? The smallest
| is probably one of those Samsung foldable ones. But
| you're really underestimating how bad android ecosystem
| can be (this is coming from someone who's been hardcore
| android fan until recently). Maybe I'm getting older, but
| I really like the part where a lot of things with apple
| just work.
| mackrevinack wrote:
| most manufacturers gimp their smaller phones so its not
| surprising that the larger versions sell more
| underbluewaters wrote:
| I think the problem is that the same people who care a lot
| about their phone's form factor also care about features.
| We need an iPhone Mini _Pro_ with high end cameras. I 'm
| not going to settle for so-so pics of my toddler.
| paxys wrote:
| Apple _is_ listening to its customers - by way of sales data
| rather than a few comments on a niche techy forum.
| sircastor wrote:
| Unfortunately, there aren't enough of us to merit it. The 12
| mini was a trial balloon for how well a smaller sized phone
| would sell, and people didn't show up for it. On the plus
| side (no pun intended), it looks like the yearly increase in
| average phone sizes has halted.
|
| It's worth nothing that there are practical costs for a
| smaller phone: You can't fit as much battery into a smaller
| package, but people want to use a smaller phone the same way
| they'd use a larger phone.
| baby wrote:
| This ^ my hand are hurting due to the iPhone 12 pro max. I want
| a folding phone now.
| dgellow wrote:
| Still using an SE 2016 because it has the perfect size and
| still works fine. I would happily buy a new version if it would
| come with usb C and have a similar size, but I don't hold my
| breath. Small phones don't seem that popular :(
| EvanAnderson wrote:
| The 2016 SE was "peak iPhone" for me. Still has a headphone
| jack. Has a lightning connector (albeit, like you, I'd prefer
| USB-C). The size is wonderful. (I cannot understand the
| obsession with gigantic phones.)
| hot_gril wrote:
| Years later and I still miss the jack and small screen. RIP
| my iPhone 5, AT&T dropped service for it.
| accrual wrote:
| I loved my SE 2016 and used it from launch to the SE 2020.
| Are you worried about patches at all?
| throwaway019254 wrote:
| Apple just released update for SE 2016. I wouldn't worry.
| dools wrote:
| I bought a 12 mini and a 13 mini for this reason
| teh_hippo wrote:
| 100% agree. I have a 12 mini and love it.
| sircastor wrote:
| I've got a 12 mini and I'm disappointed that they wholly
| discontinued the line. Unfortunately those of us who preferred
| smaller phones were apparently in the minority.
| chickenpotpie wrote:
| The small phone in general seems dead. Android phones don't
| even have good small options anymore.
|
| I'm hoping that folding phones are here to save the day in a
| "the king is dead long live the king moment" as screens have
| become so big, they're now overflowing to being small again.
| christophilus wrote:
| Writing this on an iPhone mini. It's the best form factor for
| me. I don't want to lug an iPad mini everywhere, and that's
| what big phones feel like to me.
| sneak wrote:
| There was a time for a year or so that I carried an actual
| cellular-enabled iPad Mini in my front right pocket instead
| of an iPhone. I had to stop because it has no SMS app for the
| SIM card (or vibrate motor, or ability to host an Apple
| Watch) so I ended up carrying an iPhone as well alongside.
|
| Then the XL or Pro Max or whatever (huge phablet) came out
| and I used that for a while. The added battery life is
| lovely.
|
| I finally settled on the non-max Pro, because it is as large
| as you can go and still be operable with one hand. The Pro
| Max is a two-hands-always device. If I'm going to do that I
| might as well carry an iPad Mini.
| whichdan wrote:
| I'm really bummed there isn't a Mini - I'd be happy with
| getting one every third generation, even. For the size of my
| hands, the center-of-gravity is too high in the 6.1" phones, so
| I can't comfortably hold it with one hand.
| appleiigs wrote:
| If I could buy up-to-date iPhone mini, I'd actually buy an iPad
| too. The phones are so large now I don't need an iPad.
| ajmurmann wrote:
| I liked the size of the Mini, but wanted all the features of
| the Pro which likely won't fit. So I bought the Pro instead and
| thus am the problem.
| laweijfmvo wrote:
| I was hoping they'd use the smaller bezels and newer
| materials to make the 13 Pro smaller with the same screen
| size, but they did the opposite (bigger screen, same physical
| dimension). Wouldn't have been mini sized, but anything to
| reduce size would be nice.
| Equivalent70 wrote:
| I had heard somewhere that the first batch of a new electronics
| product (like the iPhone 15 if you pre-order right now) is more
| likely to have manufacturing defects and other subtle issues. So
| it is best to wait a few months to buy a new product.
|
| Does anyone know if this is true? If so, how long is optimal to
| wait to have the highest probability of all the kinks being
| worked out? Like when should I buy the iPhone 15?
| mrlambchop wrote:
| I don't think this is true these days and especially not true
| of this phone release.
|
| IIRC, Apple will have made somewhere close to 20k phones before
| getting anywhere close to mass production and as the ID didn't
| change that much, the risk is pretty low on there being a long
| term material issue.
|
| If the ID changes next year (just going off manufacturing
| rumors), I might wait a little, but this year seems like no
| risk.
| kstrauser wrote:
| If you live anywhere near an Apple Store, there's not a great
| incentive to wait. Everyone seems to have their pet story of
| that one time Apple didn't replace a thing they thought should
| be replaced, but generally the in-store employees will swap out
| a defective device without hassle.
| Klasiaster wrote:
| Didn't know that the phone was limited to USB 2.0 transfer
| before... kind of ridiculous for the high price.
| rcarr wrote:
| I wasn't going to go Pro but between the borked USB port on the
| regular models and the better cameras and native Resident Evil on
| the Pros, I think they got me. Their fucking marketing department
| is too powerful.
| jonplackett wrote:
| Dude just get last year's phone or keep your current one.
|
| There's nothing new here.
|
| Keep your money.
| rcarr wrote:
| I have an iPhone 8 Plus with a cracked screen that is about
| to reach EOL with updates. I'm updating.
| dahwolf wrote:
| The entire announcement is an exercise in masking that they're
| running out of ideas.
|
| Excessive lectures on environmental footprint. Lots of
| cultural/humanitarian story telling, a pile of non-relatable tech
| info where they only briefly showed the embarrassing "up to 10%
| faster", dull/static presenters with their fake excitement.
|
| Even the Pro model, typically the only model where they might add
| some actual features of any significance just to seduce you to
| pay more, is now nothing more than an "extra bling" model.
|
| No fresh new demos of 3rd party developers either. All of this
| shows the maturity and advanced state of the platform.
|
| Here's an idea that would actually impress all of us regarding
| environmentalism: user-replaceable batteries. As simple as it was
| 15 years ago. And no, I'm not interested in tech apologies about
| glue or there not being space. There's space. It's purely a
| matter of will.
| blackhaz wrote:
| In addition to replaceable battery, which is great, I'd do the
| following:
|
| - Remove all excessive animations from the UI. Please stop
| wasting my battery and my brain cycles on nothing. iPhone 1 to
| 4 had sufficient level of animation. iOS 16 level of animation
| is nauseating.
|
| - Make the phone to fit into a human hand. No need for a
| shovel.
|
| - Non-slippery material. (I'm currently on X and it's like
| holding a half-used bar of soap in the shower.)
|
| - Remove excessive gestures, corner sliders, pop-ups, etc. The
| UI is a mess. Simplify everything. Less is better.
|
| - Redo all the UI elements. This mess of excessively saturated
| flat shapes is dull. Initiate return to skeuomorphism, but at a
| slightly different angle. Especially get rid of oversaturation
| everywhere.
|
| - Increase contrast of UI elements.
|
| - More detailed report on processes consuming system resources,
| something like a Task Monitor.
| [deleted]
| isatty wrote:
| I'll take the better water resistance/proofing/reduced
| engineering cost from not having user replaceable batteries any
| day.
|
| Had to replace an iPhone battery exactly once over the last 3-4
| years and it was done for free with applecare, in and out in 30
| mins.
| extr0pian wrote:
| Regarding "better water resistance", there have been a ton of
| phones released in the past that have had water resistance
| standards of at least IP 67 and that had a user replaceable
| battery. That part of your argument doesn't hold water.
| jh00ker wrote:
| >better water resistance/proofing/reduced engineering cost
|
| This is a myth. Look at the Samsung Galaxy S5 (IP67) & Sony
| XP10 (IP68). (Yeah, I'm a big Louis Rossmann fan; I learned
| this from his videos.)
|
| Even if it were true, are you telling me Apple couldn't
| engineer a solution to the problem and turn it into a key
| marketing element boasting their innovation?
| sam345 wrote:
| And paid how much for Applecare over the 3-4 years?
| Modified3019 wrote:
| There is a technology called "rubber o-rings" that has
| allowed for waterproof/resistant user replaceable battery
| designs in cell phones since they came out.
| atyppo wrote:
| My iPhone's battery health has been stuck at 83% for nearly
| 15 months. It was only 9 months old (purchased brand new)
| when it reached 83%. Apple will not replace with Applecare
| unless it is below 80%. Something doesn't add up there.
| dahwolf wrote:
| Let me guess...fast charging?
|
| Don't do it. Ruins batteries.
| prennert wrote:
| Waterproofing in terms of actually being able to use the
| phone under water or not breaking when it falls into water
| (i.e. it will switch itself off when submerged and after it
| dried it will work again)?
| gibolt wrote:
| I had an Android phone from Motorola (that cost $10) that
| could be fully submerged. The seal mechanism was bulky and
| the phone was hot garbage.
|
| For me, battery life for days in airplane mode is good
| enough if it means never worrying about liquid
| slipshady wrote:
| > free with applecare
|
| So about $200 depending on what model you have then? I pay
| for AppleCare+ for my iPhone 11 (mostly because I like not
| using a case) and it's not free.
| noitpmeder wrote:
| Don't you pay a subscription for applecare? So not exacty
| free
| tiborsaas wrote:
| Quartz wristwatches have replaceable batteries since their
| invention and waterproofing the is not really an issue.
|
| > free with applecare
|
| That's true in your case, but if someone buys a used model
| then they might prefer to do it at home especially because of
| budget issues.
| scarface_74 wrote:
| It wasn't "simple" 15 years ago if you wanted water resistance.
|
| And before you trot out the Samsung phones, if you didn't put
| the battery in securely (and it warned you on the screen) you
| lost water resistance. It also required a rubber flap to be
| closed on the headphone jack.
| sudosysgen wrote:
| It took literally 7 seconds to put in the cover correctly,
| and if you got the warning all you had to do was press on a
| bit more.
|
| The Galaxy S5 Neo did not have any flaps over the ports.
| scarface_74 wrote:
| And out of the 130 million phones that Apple sells a year,
| what are the chances that you think someone will do it
| wrong, a connector will break, etc and you will hear sone
| more hysteria about it or another *gate?
|
| And what could possibly go wrong after a couple of years
| with this design?
|
| https://www.androidcentral.com/samsung-galaxy-s5-mini-
| review
|
| > The plastic battery door still has a rubbery seal on the
| inside, so you'll want to make sure it's securely snapped
| on each time you replace it. (And yes, the phone still
| reminds you to do this each time you start it up.)
| sytelus wrote:
| There is NO dirth of ideas. I was hoping for duel screen, full
| satellite communication, 48hr battery, 3D audio/video/photos
| etc. These are the things that are very challenging to get
| right and I think only Apple can make it happen in a way to
| make mainstream. But nothing came through.
| astrange wrote:
| There are "3D photos" exposed through apps like Polycam. The
| model building is an OS framework though.
| gpt5 wrote:
| They allow bi-directional satellite communication with rescue
| team, 29 hours of continuous video playback, just announced
| 3d photos coming later this year.
|
| Sounds like they are pretty close to what you are hoping for.
| jjoonathan wrote:
| "What losers, they didn't even change the world this year!"
|
| That's unkind. The forward extrapolation is unkind _and_
| untrue: Generative Siri and AR are clearly in the pipeline. You
| can see the infrastructure if you look.
|
| It may be worth forcing replaceable batteries with legislation,
| but I'm inclined to wait until after AR settles to do it, since
| executing on AR will involve pushing the limits of what's
| possible with battery/display/compute tech.
|
| Remember those memes of people looking down at phones and
| running into telephone poles / glass / wet concrete? Those will
| come back once there's a good alternative.
| dbbk wrote:
| No one says that they have to release new phones every 12
| months though.
| qup wrote:
| It's a hedge against the degrading performance of software.
| There's definitely some feeling of "your phone can only be
| so old before it functions incredibly slowly", no matter
| how it feels at launch.
| spiderice wrote:
| But why shouldn't they? Incremental upgrades are great for
| both Apple and the consumer as long as Apple supports their
| old hardware (which they do better than just about anyone)
| yunohn wrote:
| > Generative Siri and AR are clearly in the pipeline. You can
| see the infrastructure if you look.
|
| You mean the M1 chip on iPad Pros wasn't enough, but the A17
| Pro on the new iPhone 15 pro is the "infrastructure" for
| better Siri? But wait, they're not announcing that yet, so
| maybe we need the A18?
| londons_explore wrote:
| > Generative Siri
|
| LLM's that are actually good are about a year old now. I'm
| surprised that wasn't enough time for them to get them into
| Siri.
| hypeit wrote:
| > _That 's unkind._
|
| Apple has a 2.75 _trillion_ dollar market cap. You don 't
| need to feel sorry for them. At their valuation and multiple
| they better damn well be delivering the most amazing stuff
| you've ever seen on a regular basis.
| dahwolf wrote:
| I guess I deserved that. I will agree that iPhones are
| incredible and that we're a spoiled bunch. But still from a
| iteration point of view, this one was historically
| underwhelming.
|
| Which might indeed mean some longer running projects weren't
| ready yet and the next edition is better. I think generative
| AI is coming.
|
| I guess what I'm looking for is purpose and meaning.
|
| "Titanium is harder" Well, so what? I don't use my phone as a
| hammer.
|
| "We made up a name for a core and added more of them" Yes?
| And what does that do? Will this enable new software? Or just
| run it slightly faster? And whilst that is a good thing, if
| everything is near-instant already, what does that bring?
| spacecadet wrote:
| I once met an Apple engineer at the first iphone centric WWDC,
| they told me... in quotes, but not a quote- "the products that
| wow people are the ones that steve uses himself, if steve
| doesnt us it, its shows"
| [deleted]
| rnk wrote:
| You don't think usb-c is a bold and incredible new enhancement
| to the iPhone?
| jmyeet wrote:
| "Running out of ideas" isn't how I'd characterize it.
|
| I'd put it this way: the device (ie a phone) is now a fully-
| developed mature product and platform. It browses the Web, runs
| apps, takes photos/video and plays music/video.
|
| Phones pursued the largest possible screen, first by removing
| the home button (which, to this day, I still hate and I find
| gesture replacements to be inferior and inconsistent eg swiping
| up depends on orientation) and then with the "notch". We lost
| Touch ID (which I vastly prefer) for Face ID, which is pretty
| much the sole cause of "iPhone is unavailable for 27 minutes"
| when the phone sits in your pocket. There are lots of threads
| all over the Internet about this.
|
| So what Apple (and Samsung) now do is fight commodification,
| which will lower prices. Forced obsolescence, phones the only
| really last 2-4 years, incremental component upgrades, sleek
| materials and a moat of app availability (ie Android vs iOS).
|
| There's really no reason a fully-featured phone should still
| cost $1000+.
| dmix wrote:
| Nothing wrong with that, it's a mature platform. Features for
| features sake isn't very interesting either. Besides maybe the
| price I'm happy with small refinements, as I dont need a new
| phone every year, my iPhone 14 Pro is 100% as useful as it was
| last year and is extremely rugged, I'm sure it will last
| another year+ absent a bad accident.
|
| A slightly faster CPU+slightly better battery+slightly better
| screen(?)+better camera is all I really care about.
|
| Not like any of us are having performance issues with the last
| few models for 99%+ of use-cases. Software is extremely stable
| too.
| tomcar288 wrote:
| its not that they're running out of ideas. It's just as good as
| it can ever get, period. I mean the paper clip came out 100
| years ago and you don't see 15 versions of that. Every device
| reaches a point after which it's way more than good enough.
|
| personally, I'd only like to see them get cheaper and maybe
| longer product life ( i hate replacing everything after just 7
| or 8 years).
| adventured wrote:
| It is strange to see that sentiment on HN, given the context:
| this is what commonly happens to mainstream tech.
|
| The desktop PC has been in that boring mode for 15 years or
| more now. With small, incremental improvements, if you're
| lucky.
|
| DDR5 instead of DDR4. A 4tb HD instead of a 1tb HD. A faster
| SSD. A 25% faster processor. etc
| tomcar288 wrote:
| personally, i'd like to see big tech get into new areas
| that actually matter. It only takes a quick look at
| maslow's hiearchy of needs to get good ideas: take a look
| at that lowest tier (shelter, food, water, medical), that's
| where over 60% of consumer spending goes in a developed
| country, considerably more for the latest generation (now
| in their 20s). And in poor countries, the lowest tier is
| like 99% of their spending.
| Aloha wrote:
| At some point every product category become functionally
| feature complete.
|
| The price increase signs to me that they expect people to
| upgrade less often.
| sharts wrote:
| What can one expect when the majority of people that are
| employed by a particular company share the same values?
|
| How can there be any innovation with group think and a small
| minority of decision makers insulated in their bubbles from the
| rest of the world and simultaneously need the share price to
| stay stable?
| toddmorey wrote:
| Let's hope more companies to run out of ideas and put the focus
| on environmental impact.
| Phurist wrote:
| Not fair I think... in a world where most companies produce
| profits without a single care for the world we live in, I
| welcome a company like Apple that has shown a path to a better
| future in some areas. They still have a long way to go I
| think... but advancements like that are also advancements.
| deveac wrote:
| 1. ability to begin capturing 3d video for the devices of
| tomorrow to render is a sea change. I want as much as my video
| as possible to be captured this way, starting today. Can't
| reshoot the past
|
| 2. dedicated hardware button for programatic software execution
| is fantastic
|
| 3. wearable turning your fingers into a button allowing
| execution from simply moving your fingers is insanely cool
|
| These three things alone are more exciting than anything I've
| seen in a while. All in all, great ideas that are absolutely
| pushing the envelope of how we interact with these devices.
| Love to see it.
| motoboi wrote:
| I'm sorry, man. This is Stockholm Syndrome.
|
| The 3d capture and the wearable finger thing could have been
| a software update.
|
| The dedicated button is just bollocks. You lose the visual
| indicator of silence, which was a great thing.
| deveac wrote:
| I'll take one click activation of any software script
| humans can dream up and string together via shortcuts.
|
| You can keep that reminder of whether you muted your phone.
|
| :)
| [deleted]
| ryandrake wrote:
| It's not just the lack of ideas, but the direction they are
| taking their existing ideas in is just not interesting anymore.
|
| One thing I'm kind of having a mini midlife-crisis over is that
| I'm slowly realizing that I am no longer the target market for
| tech products. I didn't see anything... anything today that
| resonated with me. Aren't marketing materials supposed to do
| that?
|
| It's all about things I don't care about, like the camera. Oh
| boy, more megapixels. Yawn. I don't really even use my phone's
| camera that much. Dynamic Island notifications? I turn all
| notifications off to avoid distractions. Display brightness?
| I'm constantly turning it down because it blinds me at night.
| Gaming? I have an old Playstation 3 and a nice size TV for
| that. Carbon neutral? Unpopular opinion but that doesn't even
| rate as a top-10 driver of my purchasing. As you say, give me a
| replaceable battery!
|
| The marketing all depicts people 20 years younger than me
| horsing around taking selfies, people who, I suppose, care
| about things I don't. I didn't even recognize any of the music.
| I'm a boring, frugal, old white guy, who uses his phone as a
| tool, not as a lifestyle, and my wallet is apparently not
| interesting to Apple. Sad to be left behind.
| s3p wrote:
| The cameras seem to have the same number of megapixels. Maybe
| you, as a frugal old white guy, would appreciate having USB-C
| and no longer having to pay for the proprietary Lightning
| connector.
| mettamage wrote:
| > It's all about things I don't care about, like the camera.
| Oh boy, more megapixels.
|
| Ok, it's the same 48. I'm not in the market either, but I
| would be if I'd be single. I currently have an iPhone 12. To
| get the newest 48 pixel camera would help me make killer
| photos for my Tinder profile that I just couldn't do that
| well with an iPhone 12. I think I'd see a 10 to 20%
| improvement in Tinder matches.
|
| It doesn't matter whether that's true or not. I know that's
| how I'd feel if I'd be single.
|
| I'm happy I'm not single, lol. Given that I'm in a
| relationship, I don't feel the need to shoot the sharpest
| pictures so I can have an edge on Tinder. However, I can
| imagine there are many social media savvy people that would
| feel that way.
| bee_rider wrote:
| I think I'm in a same demographic (maybe not old, but not
| young), and... I have no idea what Apple couple possibly add
| to their phones that _would_ interest me.
|
| Like, please, no more resolution or LIDAR on the front facing
| camera, it might start picking up wrinkles.
| pocketarc wrote:
| It's just the routine of it. It's been 15 years of "better
| than last year". It's hard to be excited about that for so
| long. It's just a slightly better phone. And that's OK.
| madeofpalk wrote:
| > The marketing all depicts people 20 years younger than me
| horsing around taking selfies, people who, I suppose, care
| about things I don't. I didn't even recognize any of the
| music. I'm a boring, frugal, old white guy, who uses his
| phone as a tool, not as a lifestyle, and my wallet is
| apparently not interesting to Apple. Sad to be left behind.
|
| Today a company announced a marginally better product to
| remain competitive with it's competitors. When you need to
| buy a new phone, Apple is hoping that they've made the n+1
| (or the n, or n-1) version that you will prefer to buy.
|
| You haven't been "left behind" because a company made an ad
| with young people in it.
| gnicholas wrote:
| > _Oh boy, more megapixels. Yawn._
|
| There aren't any even any more megapixels this year. It's the
| same 48 as last year.
| maxerickson wrote:
| It's okay to just not care. "My phone/pocket computer is good
| enough" is a nice place to be.
| wayfinder wrote:
| OK but you changed, not Apple. Apple was leaving behind older
| people when you were young, so I don't see why everyone is
| entitled to be part of a product's target market.
|
| Some of us do still appreciate these improvements. I greatly
| appreciate a better camera for example. I actually don't know
| if the 15 has as an appreciable improvement but the 14's
| camera is still a far cry from the quality of a professional
| camera in every situation but a un-zoomed shot in moderately
| bright daylight lighting. There is still major work to be
| done.
|
| Do you need a high quality camera? No. The movie Tangerine
| was shot on an iPhone for example... but visually, it does
| not look fantastic. Some people don't care about image
| quality but for the people that notice and care, they
| appreciate it.
| saurik wrote:
| Do you feel like the changes Apple is making to the camera
| are improving the camera along the axes you care about?
| wayfinder wrote:
| I went from the 10 to 14 and that was a massive
| improvement. Highlights (the brightest areas on a scene
| with both very dark and very bright spots) were massively
| overblown on the 10.
|
| It's much better on the 14, for example, although you can
| still tell the parts that would have been overblown
| previously, especially with HDR mode on, and I don't love
| it -- but at least you can still see some detail now.
|
| Was 12 to 14 an improvement? Don't know - didn't have a
| 12.
|
| Is the 15 improved from the 14? Until I get my hands on
| it, I couldn't say. It's just a lot of marketing right
| now.
| dahwolf wrote:
| Same, I'm a middle-of-the-road user. I piggy back on the
| better hardware once every 3-4 years but haven't noticed a
| meaningful difference in my total experience since the iPhone
| 6s. Almost every new iOS feature is also entirely lost on me.
| I recently even needed to Google how to fully shutdown my
| phone. If there's any growing value, it would be in apps.
| There's an app for everything.
|
| Nothing wrong with any of this. Most products in my home are
| no longer exciting.
| whynotminot wrote:
| Brother, what would actually excite you other than the
| replaceable battery? You game on a PS3. You're self
| admittedly boringly frugal. At this point, frankly it's not
| just Apple that isn't marketing to you -- _no one is going to
| market to you_ except maybe Depends in a few more years.
| Companies make products for people who spend money.
|
| This is not Apple's problem.
| ryandrake wrote:
| Wow, that Depends comments cuts to the bone, LOL oh my!
| Well done..
|
| I guess what I'm looking for is a "Wow, that improvement is
| significant enough that, this time, early-adopting will
| make a huge difference" announcement. I remember around
| 2011 when hard drive prices-per-gigabyte took a huge drop
| to the point where what you got for your money was
| astoundingly better than what you could get a year earlier.
| I haven't bought a hard drive since then. Yes, prices have
| continued to go down, but the slope is not what it used to
| be. I'm still on a computer from 2014 because that was the
| last major increase (in my judgment) in what you got for
| your money. CPUs and GPUs are getting better, but only
| incrementally so. I typically look for those inflection
| points/discontinuities to make a tech purchase.
|
| For example, if a phone manufacturer suddenly came out with
| a huge sci-fi level leap in battery technology, where,
| maybe paired with a stripped down OS I could get a week of
| battery life... That would be exciting. Or, if the phone's
| hardware and OS suddenly became powerful enough to plug in
| as a true desktop replacement and run desktop applications
| natively, where I could actually throw away my desktop
| workstation, that would be pretty awesome.
| poulsbohemian wrote:
| Thanks for this. I just bought a Watch Ultra two weeks ago, so
| wondered if I had missed out not waiting for this announcement.
| I can't see that the Ultra 2 offers anything new. Battery life,
| form factor, feature set - I'm at a loss to identify anything
| meaningful that has even _changed_ let alone improved.
| mtillman wrote:
| Apple, I don't want a giant phone that I have to carry in my
| hands. Make another mini version that costs less than $2k and you
| can have my money. I already have an iPad or several laptops that
| I can do "big" things on.
| [deleted]
| totallywrong wrote:
| [flagged]
| ant6n wrote:
| Yes but what about the m3 Macbook?
| lawlessone wrote:
| I think metal cases are overrated. The longest lasting phones I
| have had have always been plastic. I drop things a lot and the
| plastic one's just tend to break in ways that don't stop the
| phone working.
|
| Of course plastic has it's own issues with recycling and heat
| removal etc.
| donatj wrote:
| I'm honestly pretty excited for the Apple world to learn how hard
| pocket lint is to get out of a USB-C port.
| ericpauley wrote:
| Not hard at all? USB-C has been consistently simpler for me and
| I'm far less worried about damaging pins.
|
| Pro tip: cut a pointed pick out of the corner of an old credit
| card. Works great.
| donatj wrote:
| Having had both Android and iPhone, I just used a toothpick
| on my iPhone and it never took more than a couple seconds. I
| find myself picking my Pixel 6 with a very fine sewing needle
| for like 15 minutes before my cable will seat properly.
| robocat wrote:
| Use wireless charging?
| codeflo wrote:
| Harder than getting it out of a lightning port? Because that's
| not too easy either.
| donatj wrote:
| Much. Most of the USB-C port is full rather than empty making
| it hard to get anything other than a very thin sewing needle
| in there.
|
| A toothpick is way too thick to fit which seems like an
| oversight.
| [deleted]
| 93po wrote:
| Frustrated I just got AirPods 6 weeks ago with lightning. Would
| have been amazing to be entirely USB C for the first time ever
| with my next iPhone purchase. But that's probably a couple years
| off, maybe my airpods will be dead by then
| skymast wrote:
| [dead]
| dang wrote:
| Related ongoing threads:
|
| _Apple iPhone 15 Pro and iPhone 15 Pro Max_ -
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37485271
|
| _Apple ditches the Lightning connector in favor of USB-C after
| 11 years_ - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37484897
|
| (Before the announcement) _iPhone 15's shift to USB-C_ -
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37480508
| laacz wrote:
| The thing I enjoyed during the presentation was the original
| iphone on the table in the left side of the screen just before
| Sribalan Santhanam started to talk about the ray tracing.
| [deleted]
| 0xakhil wrote:
| I think the omission of usb3 is because of the reuse the Apple
| silicon from last year which doesn't have the builtin usb3 IP.
| Let's wait for next year's non-pro models to see if they are
| really cheapening out.
| alainv wrote:
| Are all the display options using PWM now? I've been staying with
| the XR because the XS caused headaches for me. Curious if they've
| gotten their frequency up to a bearable level.
| twobitshifter wrote:
| Pro is 120Hz
| gdubs wrote:
| Sad at the cynical comments here regarding Apple's environmental
| commitments. Does Apple have a tendency to exaggerate? Sure. But
| this is also the most ambitious set of climate-related
| adaptations I've heard from a corporation at their scale, and it
| seems to be deeper than just marketing fluff.
|
| How can we expect to change things if even meaningful moves to
| make improvements are automatically cynically dismissed?
| Wingman4l7 wrote:
| For anyone who works in electronics refurbishing or recycling,
| it rings extremely hollow as corporate greenwashing, because
| Apple devices are notoriously and increasingly hard to repair,
| and getting impossible to reuse due to software interlocks. The
| best way to be environmentally sound is to prevent the
| scrapping of already-manufactured devices, and Apple
| steadfastly stands in the way of this, because a robust used
| device market would hurt their profit margins.
| makeitdouble wrote:
| People get burned by the "carbon neutral" bullshit that
| corporation heralded for so long (this time it's "high quality"
| credits...perhaps it's actually good, but who knows ? they're
| still showing forests).
|
| And aside from recycling, this whole effort was about
| "investing in renewable energy projects around the world", so
| another kind of throwing money at someone who might or might
| not do something with it. Won't matter to Apple's green
| message.
|
| Now recycling efforts are nothing to sneeze at and are
| commandable. Ambitious ? I don't know.
| [deleted]
| JoshGlazebrook wrote:
| They sure are out of ideas.
| jamiedumont wrote:
| Small (anec)data point, but I got invited last week by my local
| Apple Store to attend the event there and upgrade on the day.
| Never had that happen before, and have a history (that Apple
| surely knows) of buying 6 months after launch and then holding
| for 4-7 years.
|
| I get the impression -- admittedly having not watched the event
| -- that Apple feel the need to work hard and drum up interest
| for this release.
| Avamander wrote:
| I think the entire industry is. Many aspects have reached their
| peaks, more isn't always better, phone screens for example. CPU
| performance hasn't improved as fast as previously either.
| Things are faster and going to get even faster, but not in
| massive leaps.
|
| I imagine they are or will start trickling "new" features. Be
| it USB3/4, Thunderbolt, WiFi 7 (or higher bandwidth light or
| UWB standards). Just because the other races aren't offering
| much besides better numbers.
| threeseed wrote:
| Phones are a finished product line and have been for a while.
|
| Apart from incremental bumps there isn't anything you can add
| that will move the needle.
|
| The next battle now moves onto AR/VR.
| willhackett wrote:
| Was that it?
| [deleted]
| sfinae26 wrote:
| iPhone 15 is ~21% costlier in India (by nominal value) compared
| to the US, while iPhone 15 Pro is at whopping ~63%.
| anonymouse008 wrote:
| Spatial Video in _this_ generation says everything. They want to
| win Spatial / VR with the ecosystem - it's truly the only way:
| AppleTV (Spatial Content Specific?), iPhone 15, M(x) Processors
| for creating / editing.
|
| Apple is ready, but I still don't think people want to wear
| something on their face. That said, I've put myself in timeout
| over Apple Watch - still wrist naked, but it's inarguable that
| it's a successful product line.
| tootie wrote:
| A few years ago, Apple and Google were in a battle to dominate
| the AR space and made heavy investments (ARKit and ARCore) that
| I think have paid close to zero dividends. I'm not sure if any
| of that work is carrying over this spatial push, but I don't
| see Google following suit. I think it could be neat, but the
| addressable market is going to be tiny.
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| QuadrupleA wrote:
| Call me a curmudgeon, but nothing in the last decade or so of
| smartphone development has sparked the least bit of interest or
| excitement for me, this included. Battery life maybe? Seems like
| a matured product category. Which is fine - maybe we just leave
| them alone and last as long as possible. Or keep churning about
| notch vs no notch, smallish vs. largeish vs. smallish again, etc.
| mettamage wrote:
| The original iPhone SE to the iPhone 12 mini was quite the
| upgrade for me to be honest.
| [deleted]
| tootie wrote:
| Any low-end Android phone is more than capable enough for 99%
| of daily use for less than half the price and you can get
| things like extended battery and, of course, USB-C charging.
| And yet Apple keeps eating into Android's market share. Apple
| owns their market on the strength of their marketing.
| GordonS wrote:
| I have a 4 year old Xiaomi phone, which had excellent specs at
| the time of purchase. Now, phones with more impressive
| benchmark scores and cameras exist... but I'm not into gaming
| on my phone, and somehow the battery is still great, so it
| still does everything I need.
|
| I just don't see a compelling reason to upgrade.
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