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All-AMD Ryzen Notebooks for Linux Gamers: USB4, AMD GPU? and PCIe-
Gen-4.0
Author : opengears
Score : 17 points
Date : 2023-09-10 10:03 UTC (12 hours ago)
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| littlecranky67 wrote:
| I am eagerly waiting for the Framework 16 AMD-based Laptop. First
| production shipments and thus independent reviews should be
| available Q4 2023.
| gtvwill wrote:
| Dead set. Until other companies get ontop of their
| waste/longevity/upgrade paths. They can duck right off. Frame
| work laptops or nothing. Ethics of waste > everything else.
| Apple is a e-waste machine along with dell and hp. Their
| e-waste for profit should be considered criminally negligent
| given today's climate.
|
| Gross companies are gross. I love that frame.work is providing
| some option/fight back against the toxic businesses of
| yesteryear.
| clircle wrote:
| What is this insane full page ad on mobile...
| cracauer wrote:
| Disappointing that this test doesn't report on how well
| suspend/resume works.
| lhl wrote:
| One note, while the author recommends the 1000-nit HP Sureview
| display, those SureView panels have significant downsides. A
| short summary from a Notebookcheck review:
| https://www.notebookcheck.net/HP-EliteBook-865-G9-Laptop-rev...
| But basically, with Sure View, viewing angles are extremely
| compromised even with the privacy off, brightness and contrast
| can change w/ head motion/position, there's graininess to the
| display (due to the Sure View layer itself), and at least last
| gen's model had a <60Hz PWM, which is awful for eyestrain.
|
| While it has an older Zen 3+ CPU, for those looking for an AMD
| GPU model that plays decently well with Linux, I've heard good
| things about the 2022 Asus Zephyrus G14. The big bonus is that
| being last year's model, they're usually on clearance if you can
| find them in stock.
| opengears wrote:
| Afaik here the suggestion is to get the ASUS TUF Gaming
| Advantage A16, but the ASUS ROG Zephyrus G14 also looks nice!
| (it is missing USB4, but has AMD Radeon RX 6700S and PCIe 4.0)
| deaddodo wrote:
| > ASUS ROG Zephyrus G14
|
| I have this laptop, it works wonderfully for Linux gaming.
| lhl wrote:
| Hmm, are you sure that's what the suggestion is because the
| first line of the Verdict says: "If you want an amazing 1,000
| nits (IPS) LCD -- go for the HP EliteBook 865 G10, Ryzen"...
|
| My comment directly talks about why the Sure View display is
| objectively not amazing, and has a lot of downsides. Also, I
| have an older Ryzen laptop with a 250 nit display and to me,
| it's basically too dark unless you work exclusively in low
| lighting (even sunlight from office windows made it
| unpleasant to work with) so I think the TUF would also be
| hard to recommend unless you really were someone who never
| looks at their screen (but then, why get a laptop?).
|
| The G14's display I'd say is significantly better than either
| the TUF or the HP's. Personally, I think 350 nits would be my
| minimum. The G14 has a 500 nit display. It's also DCI-P3 and
| Pantone validated making it much more color accurate. It's a
| matte display, supports HDR (largely irrelevant to Linux I
| know), and supports 120Hz and VRR (it can actually be tweaked
| to 144Hz and 30-144Hz VRR, which _is_ actually amazing to me
| [1]). Notebookcheck of course has a review on the display:
| https://www.notebookcheck.net/Asus-ROG-
| Zephyrus-G14-GA402R-G... (much faster pixel response, PWM at
| 27KHz only at <35% brightness).
|
| USB 4 is available on the 2022 G14 via a beta BIOS:
| https://rog.asus.com/us/support/FAQ/1049059
|
| [1] https://www.reddit.com/r/ZephyrusG14/comments/w9k8p3/my_g
| 14_...
| kwanbix wrote:
| I worked for IBM for 10 years in the outsourcing branch. We
| acquired lots of "business" hardware. By far the more horrible
| to deal with, was HP's.
| pella wrote:
| all-AMD : posted on July 9
|
| There are now 85 configurations available in the EU featuring
| Zen4 and DirectGPU
|
| https://geizhals.de/?cat=nb&xf=18367_001+-+(dGPU)%7E19538_17...
| sfn42 wrote:
| Well good luck with that. I'm sure the dozen or so Linux laptop
| gamers in the world will be ecstatic.
|
| I mean why wouldn't you buy a machine incapable of sufficiently
| cooling itself under load, with an operating system for which
| only a small fraction of games run well, to play games? /S
| G4E wrote:
| Yeah because as everybody knows the steamdeck, which fits
| exactly your description, was a huge failure.
|
| /s.
| wiseowise wrote:
| > I'm sure the dozen or so Linux laptop gamers in the world
| will be ecstatic.
|
| https://omdia.tech.informa.com/pr/2023/04-apr/omdia-steam-de...
|
| And that's only Steam Deck.
|
| > only a small fraction of games run well, to play games?
|
| ?????
|
| You mean most games from previous gen consoles and thousand PC
| games?
|
| https://www.protondb.com/explore
| opengears wrote:
| I guess it depends on the ecosystem. For Steam Linux is more
| used than Mac OS X (still Windows is the most popular).
| https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/08/linux-surpasses-the-...
| alphabettsy wrote:
| Likely the result of the SteamDeck almost exclusively though
| right?
| wiseowise wrote:
| What difference does it make?
| nonplus wrote:
| There are multiple Linux powered handhelds at this point that
| seem to have market traction, they are doing heavy lifting for
| laptops like this on the software side. I don't know any
| current figures and don't think quoting forecasts figures for
| 2027 is helpful.
|
| I do think it's getting to the point where starting a game on a
| steam deck or holoiso is easier/requires less of a user than
| windows.
|
| Anecdotally, every time I turn on a windows machine I'm
| inundated with updates. My machines using holoiso (steamos
| build for any x86 hardware) I just start up and they work
| (assuming no required game updates).
|
| https://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/There-Are-Do...
| sylware wrote:
| $215 cheaper without windows?
|
| Why I have been told windows OEM price is around $20 all along?
| (windows OEM price should be public info).
| opengears wrote:
| To be fair, Windows 11 Pro is $215. Win 10 or Win 11 are
| "cheaper", but still significantly more than $20
| sylware wrote:
| So I have been lied to for a decade?
|
| Need regulation to make that official public info.
| opengears wrote:
| Who lied to you? Microsoft?
| dijit wrote:
| I think it might be... us.
|
| People claiming without citation (since it's all secret
| anyway); that the bundled crapware almost completely
| subsidises a Windows license. "So unbundled would only
| save you about $20 anyway", why fight it.
|
| There was also this: https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nyti
| mes.com/library/tech/99/... which, while massively out of
| date was netting people $25-$50~ who forced
| microsoft/OEMs to refund the windows license.
|
| EDIT: The wikipedia page cites several cases where Dell
| and Microsoft have both claimed $50: https://en.wikipedia
| .org/wiki/Bundling_of_Microsoft_Windows
|
| Dell of course offering $50 as a discount when buying
| Linux builds or "FreeDOS" out of the factory.
| sylware wrote:
| open source software user groups fighting the mass
| default pre-installation of windows on PCs. As far as I
| could tell...
| mcny wrote:
| for reference, I am typing this on a minisforum um560XT
| which is a small desktop with a Ryzen 5600H mobile
| processor. The whole thing cost me under USD 500 with 500
| GB SSD, 32 GB of RAM, and a windows 11 Pro license.
|
| Somehow I doubt there was enough room for Minisforum to
| pay Microsoft USD 215. I would gladly take the USD 215
| discount and install an operating system myself if I had
| a choice.
| opengears wrote:
| I do not think that the vendor passes on $215 to
| microsoft, but 215 is what HP is charging their customers
| bubblethink wrote:
| Despite better paper specs, AMD laptops have numerous issues on
| linux. Gaming aside, if you want a good productivity laptop, I
| would advise T/X Intel Thinkpads.
| deaddodo wrote:
| I use an all-AMD laptop with Linux daily.
|
| I haven't noticed any major issues. And, in fact, I have more
| issues with my Intel/nVidia laptop, especially with regards to
| power management.
| redeeman wrote:
| i have an all-amd laptop, works perfectly with linux
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