[HN Gopher] Discovery of the historic Great Lakes schooner Trinidad
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Discovery of the historic Great Lakes schooner Trinidad
Author : pseudolus
Score : 85 points
Date : 2023-09-03 11:13 UTC (2 days ago)
(HTM) web link (www.shipwreckworld.com)
(TXT) w3m dump (www.shipwreckworld.com)
| moomoo11 wrote:
| Is it possible to recover the coal?
| dayofthedaleks wrote:
| Taking a trip to Newcastle presumably.
| asu_thomas wrote:
| > _Trinidad's owners didn't invest much in the vessel's upkeep
| and her career was relatively short for her era._
|
| > _There, Captain Higgins told his story to the marine reporters.
| Loathe to blame the owners, Higgins speculated that the
| schooner's hull may have been cut by ice in the Straits of
| Mackinac. However, a review of the vessel's career suggests that
| she was little more than a floating coffin by the time of her
| final voyage. Most vessels of the Trinidad's era lasted twice as
| long as she did, but they also received regular recaulking and
| replacement of decayed or rotten wood and rigging. The insurance
| records suggest that Trinidad received little of the normal
| maintenance and was essentially sailed into the bottom of the
| Lake._
|
| A classic tale of capitalist barbarism and how American workers
| are manipulated and propagandized into shilling for their
| masters. Disgusting stuff, and sadly nothing has fundamentally
| changed in over 150 years.
| CapitalistCartr wrote:
| The Great Lakes seem awash in shipwrecks, but this one is in
| amazing condition.
| kayodelycaon wrote:
| That's because the Great Lakes are massive. Lake Superior alone
| is the largest freshwater lake in the world. It's effectively a
| sea where wave heights can reach 25 feet (7.6 meters). Winter
| storms can sink bulk freighters (1).
|
| I grew up in Wisconsin and no one took Lake Superior lightly.
| The song "The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald" (2) is part of
| the region's legends and history.
|
| 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Edmund_Fitzgerald
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| 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuzTkGyxkYI
| itslennysfault wrote:
| Largest by area, but only about half the size of Lake Baikal
| by volume.
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Baikal
| phkahler wrote:
| Ah but many people think Michigan/Huron should be
| considered one lake, in which case it would be largest by
| area and volume I think. It's a valid point given they are
| connected by a straight that is 5 _miles_ wide at the
| narrowest and not very long and also very deep. Their
| levels are the same because they are essentially the same
| body of water.
| oh_sigh wrote:
| Sure, but for the most part interesting weather phenomena
| come from surface area, not volume.
| itslennysfault wrote:
| No doubt superior has far more interesting weather.
|
| I just always think of this image when I hear Superior is
| the "biggest" and it really adds some interesting
| perspective
|
| https://imageio.forbes.com/blogs-
| images/startswithabang/file...
| LeifCarrotson wrote:
| They're all in pretty amazing condition. Deep, still, low-
| oxygen fresh water is much better at preserving a wreck than
| anything in saltwater.
|
| The boat probably rotted more in the 20 years during which it
| was unmaintained, exposed to the sun and weather on the
| surface, than it did during the 150 years it spent on the
| bottom of the lake.
| ughitsaaron wrote:
| The Schooner Trinidad just doesn't have the same ring as The
| Edmund Fitzgerald.
| TedDoesntTalk wrote:
| There was no loss of life on the Trinidad.
| topaz0 wrote:
| Except the poor dog. Surely that dog deserves a ballad!
| asu_thomas wrote:
| The pup was the most innocent of all!
| dwighttk wrote:
| "Fellas it's been good to know ya"
| Jgrubb wrote:
| If Gordon Lightfoot had written about it it would.
| lantry wrote:
| Here's an article on the same topic, but text-only:
| https://text.npr.org/1197480909
| yawgmoth wrote:
| While reading this, noticed how Shipwreckworld.com has plenty
| of content. I'm not sure if NPR or The Guardian added a ton of
| value.
|
| However, I am sure they spend more effort on capturing
| impressions. In this context, I sympathize even less with
| advertisers.
| nyankosensei wrote:
| This is the NPR full site with better photos showing how well-
| preserved the wreck is:
|
| https://www.npr.org/2023/09/04/1197480909/shipwreck-trinidad...
| TedDoesntTalk wrote:
| "it still had all the cabinets with all the dishes stacked in
| them and all the crew's effects"
| tantalor wrote:
| This article is much better and has full size images:
|
| https://www.shipwreckworld.com/articles/discovery-of-the-his...
| dang wrote:
| Ok, we'll use that instead of https://www.theguardian.com/us-
| news/2023/sep/02/shipwreck-tr.... Thanks!
| chizhik-pyzhik wrote:
| and a link to their 3D scan of the ship:
| https://sketchfab.com/3d-models/schooner-trinidad-1867-1881-...
| tantalor wrote:
| Awesome! That web viewer kind of sucks but the model is
| amazing.
|
| Here's where they messed up: the orbit is backwards. Clicking
| and dragging has very well defined behavior: if you drag to
| the left, then the thing you are interacting with should move
| to the left, but in their viewer the _camera_ rotates to the
| left, so the _world_ rotates to the right, which is
| backwards!
| solardev wrote:
| That's just a setting. Click the gear and change navigation
| to first person instead of orbit.
|
| I think it's a pretty standard paradigm when viewing 3d
| models as an editor (vs games and virtual house tours and
| such) isn't it? Felt intuitive to me
| tantalor wrote:
| > first person
|
| Oh my, so much better. Thanks!
| bombcar wrote:
| Weird, on Mac with a mouse it operates exactly how I'd
| expect it to.
| phkahler wrote:
| >> Here's where they messed up: the orbit is backwards.
| Clicking and dragging has very well defined behavior: if
| you drag to the left, then the thing you are interacting
| with should move to the left, but in their viewer the
| camera rotates to the left, so the world rotates to the
| right, which is backwards!
|
| It works the way you want for me. I drag left, the boat
| rotates left. Also, while I agree with you that this is how
| it should work and is the "one true way", I can tell you
| from working on CAD that there is a whole world of people
| out there that want the camera to move based on mouse
| movement. In their mind, moving the object is as strange as
| moving the camera is for me. It seems there is no "right"
| way, just a few different ways.
|
| Edit: Oh it's worse. They are using turntable navigation.
| scohesc wrote:
| Man, it would be so cool to take a chartered/guided dive to the
| ship, maybe swim inside and check out the wreck yourself.
|
| I'm sure if that was a thing you'd have people trying to scratch
| their names in the walls and stealing items inside the wreck
| though. :(
| kalupa wrote:
| might not be so casual since it's probably sunk at great depth,
| though the article doesn't mention that. I mean, beyond
| 10m/33ft isn't out of bounds for a trained deep water diver,
| but perhaps a bit outside the standard recreational stuff,
| which tends to stay above the 1 atmosphere pressure depth
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