[HN Gopher] J.D. Salinger and wielding copyright as self-protection
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J.D. Salinger and wielding copyright as self-protection
Author : Caiero
Score : 33 points
Date : 2023-09-01 18:50 UTC (3 days ago)
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| AlbertCory wrote:
| Supposedly in Cornish, if you asked anyone where he lived, they'd
| all claim to have no idea.
|
| As for all these writers, I think he wanted to be left alone, so
| leave him alone.
| GoRudy wrote:
| I grew up in Cornish. Most of us knew. Our plumber was his
| plumber etc etc. he was left alone, there's a lot of
| interesting art in the community to see, his house not being
| one of them.
| slowhadoken wrote:
| Yeah I can't understand how people rationalize harassing
| Salinger.
| john-radio wrote:
| Maybe some percent of them are just testing out the Cornish
| solidarity thing.
| slowhadoken wrote:
| I've been to some small towns in Montana that value
| discretion and isolation. I prefer it to a gaggle of
| consumers.
| fiftyacorn wrote:
| It reminds me of the film Coming Through The
| Rye(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coming_Through_the_Rye_(film) )
| about some school kids trying to get permission to put on a play
| of Catcher in the Rye and getting refused, and decide to visit JD
| Salinger
| 1MachineElf wrote:
| >In other words, before his death in 2010, Salinger became the
| _ghost in the machine_ of American literature, embodying the
| battle between preservation attempts of his exterior works, and
| therefore the maintenance of their immortality, and the need for
| self-preservation and an undisturbed, peaceful human existence.
|
| Salinger's works are referenced frequently in Ghost in the Shell:
| Stand Alone Complex - I wonder if the word choice here is a
| reference to that series.
| slowhadoken wrote:
| If Salinger wasted his time it was his to waste. He made a point
| and an entitled public proved him right.
| [deleted]
| LapsangGuzzler wrote:
| > "It's evident Salinger has a saint complex. He wants to be a
| saint. The trouble is, he doesn't have a saintly personality--
| quite the opposite--he is egotistical, ill tempered, unforgiving.
| But he wants to be a saint because saints are above the humans,
| they are unstoppably superior." Hamilton is the proponent of this
| view of Salinger--a haughty relic frozen in time.
|
| I hope conversations around personal privacy have improved in the
| years since it became so much easier to broadcast our lives to
| the world, because this is an insane attitude to have that I hope
| we've evolved beyond.
|
| Having that kind of fame thrust upon you having written one book
| would difficult for anyone to navigate, I certainly don't judge
| his desire to fight people that tried profit from his life story.
| [deleted]
| ianbutler wrote:
| The idea someone else has an entitlement on the life of another
| person, even if that person has done something like publish a
| successful book, is narcissistic on the part of the person who
| thinks they have that entitlement. There is arguably an
| expectation of loss of privacy for public figures, but even
| that is limited.
|
| I imagine, unfortunately, this has gotten even worse today
| where the sense of entitlement in the general populace has
| grown significantly.
| hirundo wrote:
| As with George R.R. Martin, who is a kind of ecdysiast that I
| had mistaken for a hetaera. He seduced and aroused me and
| then failed to deliver what I thought I had bargained for,
| but had in fact not. Like the ecdysiast, he owes me nothing I
| had not been promised, despite my expectations.
|
| But while my entitlement to the future work of Mr. Martin is
| zero, I still feel somewhat jilted.
| TheGRS wrote:
| I feel similarly toward Patrick Rothfuss, since I
| absolutely love his few books and I've re-read them a few
| times, but it seems like there's no end to the series he
| created in sight still. Early into his creation he promised
| not to be like other fantasy authors who let their series
| stretch into decades, often unfinished, but after some time
| it became pretty evident that he had fallen into the same
| hole they had.
|
| So on one hand I appreciate that creative writing is tough,
| and meeting the rising expectations of your fans is very
| difficult. But on the other hand we feel a little teased
| with no meaningful climax, and often you hear the creator
| assure you that things will be coming to a close soon, but
| left with nothing. That's maybe the only thing I might have
| to be a little angry about, but the stakes are low enough
| that I can't really get worked up about it without feeling
| pretty silly.
| kurthr wrote:
| Well, to be fair, he has broken multiple promises (for the
| release date of WindsOfWinter alone). I don't hate him for
| it, but he's not trustworthy in that I doubt he has any
| idea when any book will be released and should know better
| than to opine since he's been wrong so many times before.
| Of course fans beg him for comments so... whatever.
| ycombinete wrote:
| Ecdysiast == stripper
|
| Hetaera == prostitute/escort
|
| Where did you find these odd words!?
|
| It seems like Ecydysiast for one is a facetious term
| invented by H.L. Mencken and barely ever used since.
| hirundo wrote:
| I actually know where I learned these odd words: Heinlein
| uses them both. I picked them because they sound more
| respectful than the alternatives and I'm in awe of
| Martin.
| detourdog wrote:
| He also stormed the beaches at Normandy and whatever happened
| after that. He deserves his own desires.
| dghlsakjg wrote:
| Do people who have not stormed beaches, gone to war, etc.
| Have a different set of privacy rights?
|
| I understand the underlying sentiment, but I strongly dislike
| the notion that serving in the military de facto entitles you
| to a stronger say in what or how society operates.
| detourdog wrote:
| I have an Uncle that served in the infantry division. I
| view that generation as a ruined group of kids that came
| back to the US and did the best they could. I also maybe
| over personalizing the issue.
|
| I simply mean that facing the worst of humanity buys people
| extra space to exist in my dealings with them.
|
| I believe we all have the same privacy rights. Some of us
| get the right to be eccentric in uncomfortable ways to a
| certain extent.
| [deleted]
| zoogeny wrote:
| I like The Catcher in the Rye quite a lot and have read it three
| or four times. I also loved the Calvin and Hobbes cartoons of
| Bill Watterson. It is interesting to me how both authors chose
| shy away from fame and to protect their works from
| commercialization so ardently. I am fascinated by their single
| minded integrity. It also causes me to consider the similarity in
| their works. There is certainly an element of Holden present in
| the character of Calvin now that I consider it.
| antonchekhov wrote:
| "To reveal art and conceal the artist is art's aim." -- Oscar
| Wilde, The Picture of Dorian Gray
| costco wrote:
| Salinger's estate wants to wait literal decades to publish the
| rest of his works. There was a bunch of controversy in 2013 when
| Three Stories leaked on what.cd. I'm not a Salinger expert by any
| means but having read and liked Catcher in the Rye and Three
| Early Stories, I didn't find Three Stories particularly
| exceptional. Maybe the estate is so sensitive because the
| unpublished stuff isn't as good as the published stuff?
| goodbyesf wrote:
| > Maybe the estate is so sensitive because the unpublished
| stuff isn't as good as the published stuff?
|
| Or it could be the author's wish since the unpublished material
| may contain sensitive information. TS Eliot most famously had
| an embargo on publishing his letters 50 years after his death
| or the death of his 'mistress' depending on whoever died later.
|
| Salinger's literary reputation is already set. Don't think any
| new material will add to or detract from it.
| garba_dlm wrote:
| this is also tied to how banksters make money
|
| it's about timing, letting the culture soak up the ideas, then
| release at the time of biggest likelihood of great profit...
|
| consider why has disney+ removed so much content? so they can
| time it, to sell it at a higher value in the future, once the
| nostalgia has set in....?
|
| that or they're just too stupid to understand how culture works
| and are destroying their own value? both of these completely
| unlikely. but I'm just ranting/guessing online....
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