[HN Gopher] X violated its own policy by blocking First Amendmen...
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X violated its own policy by blocking First Amendment group's ads
Author : saltysalt
Score : 74 points
Date : 2023-08-31 15:47 UTC (7 hours ago)
(HTM) web link (arstechnica.com)
(TXT) w3m dump (arstechnica.com)
| pierat wrote:
| [flagged]
| nancyhn wrote:
| Update your model. That's a internet rumor spread by NPCs.
|
| https://www.snopes.com/news/2022/11/17/elon-musk-emerald-min...
| cmh89 wrote:
| The person alleged to have owned the mine apparently does not
| think it's a rumor
|
| "Well, according to Errol Musk, the unsurprisingly eccentric
| -- and in one major way, extremely creepy -- father of Elon,
| the mine definitely exists. And come to think of it, he'll
| take that Dogecoin, thanks!
|
| "When I read that, I wondered, 'Can I enter, because I can
| prove it existed," Errol told The Sun in a new interview,
| referring to his son's Dogecoin tweet. "Elon knows it's true.
| All the kids know about it."
|
| https://futurism.com/elon-musk-dad-emerald-mine
| nancyhn wrote:
| So what?
|
| From Snopes:
|
| A story about Musk's father once owning an emerald mine
| evolved into a larger rumor that had no evidence to support
| its central claim.
| cmh89 wrote:
| So what? The person who is accused of owning the emerald
| mine says they owned the emerald mine. That's at least
| some evidence that its true.
| partiallypro wrote:
| Everyone is waiting on an alternative; Threads has basically
| not had any features rolled out since it launched. Still no
| trends, web interface, DMs, etc. Don't really know why they
| even bothered rolling it out at all if they weren't going to
| have those features out quickly.
| taylodl wrote:
| But do we _need_ an alternative? Maybe services like Twitter
| have played out. Wouldn 't be bad for the world to move on.
| wilg wrote:
| Threads does have a web interface.
| itsoktocry wrote:
| > _You 're better off just leaving the platform._
|
| It's still fine. Some things are better, some are worse.
| Overall my experience hasn't changed much.
|
| But, Elon's unpredictable, so who knows. I know for a fact I
| don't care for Twitter/X to be the "everything app".
| wilg wrote:
| When someone mentions emeralds you know you can safely ignore
| them.
| mrguyorama wrote:
| So is his dad lying when he openly talks about them owning an
| emerald mine?
| vuln wrote:
| How much did the emerald mine produce? Who cares what his
| father says. Would you care if Bill or Steve's dad was a
| liar or lied about business deals? No? Okay.
|
| Imagine getting "facts" off a family member "setting the
| record straight" to a tabloid.
| AlbertCory wrote:
| The question is, why are _you_ on about it?
| jrflowers wrote:
| I like this game. Now the question is "why are you
| interested in people posting about emerald mines?"
| AlbertCory wrote:
| So clever to turn it back on me like that!
|
| No thanks.
| jrflowers wrote:
| But that is the question now
| tracker1 wrote:
| They've also announced, they're re-establishing "trust and
| safety" (censorship) teams under a different name/brand.
| locopati wrote:
| It is values not censorship to say that you value protecting
| people from harmful speech in a private company.
| tracker1 wrote:
| [flagged]
| SR2Z wrote:
| Because one side of the aisle proposed solutions for COVID
| like ivermectin, or "inject bleach," and said things like
| "it'll blow over by March" and "if we stop measuring the
| numbers will go down."
|
| Both sides might have said incorrect things about COVID,
| but only one was responsible for politicizing it to death,
| and it's the side that tried to pretend it didn't exist
| while it was massacring Americans.
| tracker1 wrote:
| It turns out, Ivermectin was helpful.. and nobody
| legitimately suggested bleach other than in jest. As for
| massacres, it's Democrat governors that thought it was a
| good idea to house infected with the most at risk
| (seniors) and killed countless people.
| dpatru wrote:
| The side that uses government power to censor its
| opponents should automatically be suspect.
| merpnderp wrote:
| I mean your statement right there is full of
| misinformation. No one said to inject bleach and no one
| massacred Americans, unless you mean by housing the
| infected in old folks homes, which killed far more than
| any right wing shenanigans like ivermectin.
| vuln wrote:
| No one ever said "inject bleach" please stop. It was only
| Harvard that inserted bleach into the conversation via
| tweet.
|
| "I see the disinfectant where it knocks it out in a
| minute," Trump said. "One minute! And is there a way we
| can do something, by an injection inside or almost a
| cleaning? Because you see it gets in the lungs and it
| does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it'd be
| interesting to check that. So, that you're going to have
| to use medical doctors with, but it sounds interesting to
| me."
|
| Please don't inject bleach or drink disinfectant. Bleach
| injections cause hemolysis (where your red blood cells
| that carry OXYGEN break apart) and cause liver damage,
| and many disinfectants can cause dangerous burns or
| bleeding in your stomach. This tweet IS medical advice --
| Harvard Toxicology (@Harvard_Tox) April 24, 2020
|
| https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/apr/24/trump-
| disinf...
| dude187 wrote:
| Stop spreading misinformation
| bdcravens wrote:
| The two aren't mutually exclusive.
| alienicecream wrote:
| When did everyone become so afraid of what other people might
| say? Or maybe it's when did it become so fashionable to be
| afraid of what other people might say?
| akomtu wrote:
| One explanation I've seen is it's the need for emotional,
| and now intellectual comfort. The average mind is small and
| can deal with few ideas at a time. When such a mind is
| exposed to a different idea, it's already overwhelmed with
| the few it already has, and instinctively rejects the new
| idea.
| raisedbyninjas wrote:
| We haven't figured out a great solution yet, but bad actors
| and the cognitively challenged have been handed a megaphone
| in the Internet and social media algorithms have given them
| echo chambers. Speech informs action, so bad speech will
| hurt _some_ number of people. It hurts flat-earthers to
| people drinking bleach
| https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-
| updates/2020/0...
|
| I don't know how Twitter will reimplement content
| moderation, but I'd support something like what Google has
| whenever somebody mentions 9-11 or COVID, etc, there is a
| factual blurb there to attempt to moor readers to reality.
| edmundsauto wrote:
| The use of a spam filter suggests that some moderation is
| widely acceptable. Another problem is how disinformation
| spreads, which can cause significant harm when it
| influences people's perspectives to not get the whooping
| cough vaccine, for a fairly controversial example.
|
| People are monkeys. Monkey see, monkey do.
| locopati wrote:
| When people realized that violent speech can be considered
| violent action as random people took the fearmongering and
| attacked other people or threatened to bomb hospitals and
| libraries in stochastic terrorist attacks.
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stochastic_terrorism
| slowmovintarget wrote:
| Violence is the use of physical force to injure, abuse,
| damage, or destroy.
|
| Writing and speech does none of those things. It may
| inspire people to take those actions, but that does not
| make it violence in and of itself.
|
| We can discuss the morality of speech and writing that
| stimulates others to violent action without the coercive
| construction of attempting to convince people they are
| the same thing.
| [deleted]
| hawski wrote:
| The day I will stop taking it first to mean X11/X.org will be a
| sad day for me. With this publicity I imagine more people
| visiting x.org. I wonder what will happen to it in a couple of
| decades.
| noughtme wrote:
| 5500 words to say the ad was blocked in error:
|
| 'According to X, the account had been labeled as political in
| 2020 "when political ads were prohibited"'(prior to Musk's
| takeover)
| th0ma5 wrote:
| Still very much needs to be discussed. Now that they've opened
| the can of worms of being a political entity, it most certainly
| was a political decision not to find cases like this within
| their own systems that they should know about. Are they really
| prepared or are they going to further cave to the Saudis?
| tasogare wrote:
| [dead]
| brookst wrote:
| I don't think we should expect them to cave to the Saudis.
| There may be higher bidders.
| [deleted]
| tensor wrote:
| This really begs the question, when they removed the policy why
| did they not remove all the existing blocks and labels? Sounds
| fishy to me.
| decremental wrote:
| [dead]
| atkailash wrote:
| [dead]
| vuln wrote:
| Happened to people still shadow banned by the twitter dick
| detector
| paulddraper wrote:
| Likely not a reason, just a mistake.
|
| I don't see the reason for deliberately doing it.
| delecti wrote:
| My understanding is that there isn't an abundance of people
| around at Xitter these days to do that kind of due diligence.
| "Nobody had time to go through and unblock all the people
| blocked under the old policy" doesn't sound fishy to me at
| all.
| nogridbag wrote:
| Having lots of Chinese friends, whenever I see the letter X
| at the start of a word, I instinctively try to pronounce
| the X as a "Sh" sound. And this definitely isn't the first
| time this happened. Every time these Twitter/X threads
| comes up I have to laugh at some of these spellings :)
| croes wrote:
| 5500 words to show how much endurance you need to get behind
| the auto response until X checks if they made an error.
|
| Your version sounds like they just asked and the ban was lifted
| because it was an error.
|
| That's not what happened.
| [deleted]
| raydiatian wrote:
| Twitter. Twitter. Twitter.
|
| Not X.
| paulddraper wrote:
| ? what do you mean
| ta757579 wrote:
| They mean that we humans are under no obligation to comply
| with a corporations branding strategies.
|
| See also: Google/Alphabet,
| Blackwater/MurderInc/Whatevertheyrecallednow
| paulddraper wrote:
| Okay.
|
| Though for me personally, if someone changes their name, I
| usually try to call them by that name. But usually not the
| easiest, I admit.
| clipsy wrote:
| Corporations aren't people.
| badwolf wrote:
| The owner himself is against transitioning, so it only seems
| right to deadname his company.
| timbit42 wrote:
| Xitter.
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