[HN Gopher] Zadie Smith makes 1860s London feel alive and recogn...
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Zadie Smith makes 1860s London feel alive and recognizable
Author : tintinnabula
Score : 47 points
Date : 2023-08-30 15:16 UTC (1 days ago)
(HTM) web link (www.nytimes.com)
(TXT) w3m dump (www.nytimes.com)
| armeehn wrote:
| https://archive.ph/x3s4a
| Diederich wrote:
| https://web.archive.org/web/20230831131550/https://www.nytim...
| knodi123 wrote:
| infinite loop captcha?
| ycombinatornews wrote:
| Same
| rnk wrote:
| See other discussions, supposed to be cloudflare dns. If I
| use my tmobile phone as a hotspot I don't have that issue.
| My normal internet is comcast, archive.is just loops at
| captcha
| Pixie_Dust wrote:
| Zadie Smith Makes 1860s London Feel Alive, and
| Recognizable https://justpaste.it/5sz5k
| rgoulter wrote:
| I'd think that one thing praise books for is the ability to
| immerse yourself in other worlds, or to nurture a curious mind.
|
| Here, the reviewer is praising the book for (seemingly) mapping
| some historical trial to present day politics, which he has some
| righteous feelings about (& doesn't indicate the book changed his
| mind about anything).
|
| I guess it's a form of escape, but doesn't really tickle my
| curiosity all that much.
| OfSanguineFire wrote:
| Classic literature so frequently uses a setting that was
| already archaic to its readership, to depict that readership's
| contemporary politics. Literature isn't exclusively escapism.
| For example, Arthur Miller's _The Crucible_ is about the 17th-
| century Salem witch trials, but it was written to respond to
| the McCarthy trials of 1950s America.
| jhbadger wrote:
| Similarly Lawrence & Lee's 1955 _Inherit the Wind_ which was
| a fictionalization of the 1925 Scopes "Monkey Trial" about a
| teacher being on trial for teaching evolution in the Deep
| South. Like with _The Crucible_ , it was really talking about
| the current events of McCarthyism, as in the 1950s it was
| assumed that everybody accepted evolution by then. Although
| as later decades showed, creationism wasn't quite as dead as
| belief in witchcraft.
| ojbyrne wrote:
| Weird that there is no discussion here relevant to the book or
| the author, though perhaps that's just because the book hasn't
| been released yet. I really enjoyed "White Teeth" so I suspect I
| will read this too.
| more_corn wrote:
| Feel free to post the actual content that everyone is
| complaining they cannot see. I suspect people are interested.
| DrBazza wrote:
| Whoever wrote that headline for the nytimes clearly hasn't heard
| the quote 'The past is a foreign country; they do things
| differently there.' I doubt it's historically accurate if it's
| 'recognizable'.
|
| Just hearing my still alive g-grandparents when I was a kid
| talking about their youth (1880s-1910s) made me realise just how
| different the past was. I can hardly imagine how different 1860
| would have been.
| 6LLvveMx2koXfwn wrote:
| Wouldn't this make your Great Grand Parents between 120 and 150
| years old (presuming the ability to talk about one's youth
| starts age ~10)?
| ike2792 wrote:
| I think OP is saying they talked about their youth when OP
| was a kid, not that they are still alive now.
| keyle wrote:
| I wish I could read this article or even what it is about, but I
| first got a modal window "our privacy policy has changed" (as if
| I care, I'm on the Internet, trying to read an article!), so I
| dismiss it...
|
| And then, half the screen, HALF(!), got covered with a white
| panel in what looks like _" subscribe or vamos!"_, completely
| blocking the view.
|
| If you don't want to be on the Internet, fine! Just sell paper or
| something /s. I'm sorry I'd like to support quality journalism
| and articles but _this_ is not the way. You won 't see a dime
| from me with those antics.
|
| I actually wish HN would have a user filter for domains, so I
| could proactively remove links to this domain from the homepage,
| because I know it is abhorrently opposing the open web. There is
| enough interesting quality articles already shared in the open, I
| don't need this.
|
| Sorry for the rant, I'm sure it is an interesting article, and I
| wish this author gets paid fairly for writing it. Just... this
| can't be the future. It's infuriating.
|
| Give me a way that I can press a button on the screen after
| reading the slug, and I make a direct transaction of 5 cents to
| read the full article. Boom. Done. I'd do it for the stuff that
| probe my interest, because I'll never pay 50c a week. Everyone is
| saturated with subscriptions now.
| dkdbejwi383 wrote:
| You can try prepending the url with `archive.is/` which will
| get around annoyance-walls in some cases. e.g.
| https://archive.is/https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/28/books/...
| unknown_user_84 wrote:
| Is archive.is/today/ph working for anyone today? Yesterday
| .is and .today were giving me an eternal CAPTCHA but .ph
| worked. Today .today and .ph are giving me an eternal CAPTCHA
| while .is loads the website, but tries to redirect to .ph
| with an eternal CAPTCHA when I click on the snapshot link.
|
| Makes me think whoever runs this is trying to fix something
| really annoying.
| camgunz wrote:
| I've found this is because my ISP uses Cloudflare DNS; when
| I switch to mobile (on my phone or tethering) it's fine.
| rnk wrote:
| I have that problem too on my comcast home internet,
| looping captca for archive.is. I figured it was dns
| lookup. Is cloudflare blocking it somehow?
|
| And I also noticed using my phone internet works for
| archive.is. I want to figure out how to avoid cloudflare
| or whatever blocking me. I need a simple dns rule I can
| put in my router or something.
| cge wrote:
| My recollection is that it is the opposite: Cloudflare
| and archive.is have disagreements about DNS, and as a
| result archive.is blocks Cloudflare.
| cjrp wrote:
| I get the looping CAPTCHA in my office, but not at home.
| tgv wrote:
| [flagged]
| ledauphin wrote:
| i, too, wish that there were an actual way to pay per view on
| things like this.
|
| i read a lot, but i read widely, and I have absolutely no
| desire to pay for the entirety of what tNYT is into (nor do i
| want to deal with their dark patterns around canceling).
|
| Everyone keeps telling me there's no market for this, etc etc,
| and I suppose that must be true, but I can't help but think
| that there must be _dozens_ of us who want a different approach
| here...
| macintux wrote:
| I long held out hope Apple would solve the news micropayment
| problem, but I suppose that's what Apple News+ is (give or
| take).
| tptacek wrote:
| _Please don 't complain about tangential annoyances--e.g.
| article or website formats, name collisions, or back-button
| breakage. They're too common to be interesting._
|
| https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
| lionkor wrote:
| Pretty sure this doesnt apply, as its not a common issue at
| all
| tptacek wrote:
| It definitely does; the reason we have this rule in the
| first place is that this story about Zadie Smith is
| absolutely dominated by an off-topic thread about website
| presentation that nobody at the New York Times is ever
| going to read or care about.
| js2 wrote:
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37340061
| JKCalhoun wrote:
| Enabling Reader mode in Safari works for me, FWIW.
|
| In fact I set the preference in Safari to _always_ enable
| Reader mode for that domain.
| oez wrote:
| For some reason using reader mode in Chrome/Vanadium on my
| phone only shows the preview now. If I open it in
| Firefox/Mull which has JS disabled it shows up fine.
|
| That said I've been trying to avoid NYT due to this anyway.
| ycombinatornews wrote:
| I was always curious about that. Reader mode on nytimes shows
| only 1-2 paragraphs from the actual article and then
| "subscribe" link.
|
| How does it work for you?
| drewg123 wrote:
| In firefox at least, I see the same thing. But then if I
| refresh the page (with reader mode still enabled), I see
| the entire article.
| PaulDavisThe1st wrote:
| Reading Zadie Smith's non-fiction makes me convinced that she has
| one of the most first-class minds I've ever come across (in
| writing). I can typically devour books in hours, but hers make me
| feel my intellectual capacity for synthesis and understanding is
| being overloaded. Too many ideas, too many connections. too much
| goodness.
|
| Obviously, YMMV (and this is a novel).
| js2 wrote:
| Gift link:
|
| https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/28/books/review/zadie-smith-...
| Pixie_Dust wrote:
| Her new novel, "The Fraud," is based on a celebrated 19th-century
| criminal trial, but it keeps one eye focused clearly on today's
| political populism.
|
| Populism, that's code for the voters think the politicians work
| in their interests. I wager that if you mentioned any subject
| under the sun Mahajan would connect it with "Trumpism".
| everybodyknows wrote:
| Regrettably little known is that she's a superb oral dramatizer
| of her own gently ironic social satires:
|
| https://www.newyorker.com/podcast/the-authors-voice/zadie-sm...
|
| https://www.newyorker.com/podcast/the-authors-voice/zadie-sm...
| EwanG wrote:
| If anyone at the Times is reading this... a case study for your
| consideration...
|
| I dropped my subscription to the NYT a bit more than a year ago
| due to just this kind of blocking silliness. I like to be able to
| share articles I read with others, and if I have to get an
| archive.is/ph link anyway to do so, why should I be paying to
| read it first myself? If the value of eyeballs on articles is
| mainly to serve ads, and adblocking is an issue, then I'd say
| charging a subscription to try to make up for it (which it
| doesn't according to their own numbers) is kind of going in the
| wrong direction.
|
| I gather that the NYT itself thinks that "News" as a product is a
| dying market and is why they are putting most of their
| time/effort/money into building up the Games and Recipes
| subscriptions. I wonder if that isn't a fatal case of mission
| creep.
| js2 wrote:
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37340061
| [deleted]
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