[HN Gopher] I chose the ThinkPad Z13 Gen1 as my Linux laptop
___________________________________________________________________
I chose the ThinkPad Z13 Gen1 as my Linux laptop
Author : jandeboevrie
Score : 100 points
Date : 2023-08-29 19:21 UTC (3 hours ago)
(HTM) web link (wimpysworld.com)
(TXT) w3m dump (wimpysworld.com)
| chrsw wrote:
| I have an XPS 13 9310 w/ Ubuntu 20.04 from work. It's decent,
| surprisingly very few issues. The battery life isn't exceptional
| but it's not dissappointing. I just wish it had more ports, even
| at the cost of being thicker.
| rjbwork wrote:
| I got a yoga x1 with the i7-1370P. Very strong cpu, great memory,
| turns into a tablet, very lightweight, no dedicated nvidia GPU,
| great battery life.
| sva_ wrote:
| Has the Linux support for these mixed-core CPUs improved?
| rjbwork wrote:
| Oh sorry I should have mentioned I'm using it on Windows, my
| bad. Probably the wrong thread for me to have said this in
| retrospect :/
| [deleted]
| delijati wrote:
| Funny as i'm waiting for the Z13 Gen 2. It was announced for
| June. I hope it will be available this year.
| pulse7 wrote:
| Just buy ThinkPad P14s which is essentially a T14 with 64GB RAM
| and a discrete GPU option. It is just 2mm thicker than X1 and
| costs 1000 USD less...
| juujian wrote:
| Nice lost! I've bought a Thinkpad X1 detachable, which on paper
| is not a great pick, but I wanted a tablet with Linux on it.
| Turns out it's a great device to run Linux on, now I'm using it
| as my daily driver.
| cmrdporcupine wrote:
| I have the same machine (but in 16", Z16) and it's been nothing
| but trouble/drama with BIOS updates.
|
| USB-C ports to docking stations and second displays were broken
| for two months, with no ability to rollback the BIOS version.
|
| https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/ThinkPad-Z-series-Laptops/Exter...
|
| Recently it's just started freezing up for no reason.
|
| Last fall they pushed some update with f'd up the fan (didn't run
| enough, overheated). Then another that made it run too often. At
| some point in there something got pushed that messed up the TPM
| config or something so my whole Windows partition install had to
| be redone.
|
| For the first 5-6 months power mgmt generally was a nightmare.
| Especially in Linux. Much improved lately though.
|
| Not recommended. Maybe the Gen2 is better.
| speakspokespok wrote:
| Is there a difference between the Ubuntu oem image and what you
| get from the Ubuntu website? Asking because when my Gen 1 AMD
| T14s was new it was listed as fully compatible but the trackpoint
| would skip due to a firmware issue specific to Linux. Had I known
| I'd have gone a different direction.
| enzanki_ars wrote:
| The OEM kernel is available in the repo too, though requires
| that the kernel in the ISO works enough for your hardware to
| get to that point. More info about that OEM kernel is available
| at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/OEMKernel, and worth looking
| into when you have really new hardware and running slightly
| older OS releases.
| dangus wrote:
| Just a note: the compact size and low power draw necessitate
| soldered RAM (LPDDR). I know it's easy to dislike that trend, but
| if you're really looking to save power, socketed RAM basically
| wastes power.
|
| Luckily for all of us, the need for constantly increasing system
| memory has slowed greatly over the past 10-15 years and the
| reliability of memory chips is very good.
| ctoth wrote:
| You seem to know what you're talking about, What is the actual
| power draw difference of socketed (LPDDR) vs soldered (SO-DIMM)
| RAM?
|
| As someone with 128GB in my main workstation and 64 in my
| laptop this soldered RAM trend makes me so sad. RAM is the
| cheapest way to improve your compute experience and using
| massive amounts is how I've otherwise been able to make old
| machines feel nice to use. I have a Lenovo T580 from 2018 and
| with 64GB it's a fantastic machine 5 years later, but I doubt a
| machine I buy now will be anywhere as good in 5 years as I
| won't be able to supercharge its memory to what 2028 would
| consider obscene for a laptop.
| davidhyde wrote:
| I've been reading up on LPDDR here
| (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LPDDR) but alas it did not have
| the answers to the power consumption questions I have. Maybe
| someone here will know:
|
| I am primarily concerned with power consumption when the laptop
| is asleep and ram is NOT persisted to disk (no hibernation). On
| a Linux setup in sleep mode, will there be a power consumption
| difference if you have 32GB vs 16GB of LPDDR but only use say
| 8GB of memory? If so will it typically dominate the sleep power
| consumption?
| ilikenwf wrote:
| I went "mobile workstation" this time around and so I have
| sockets again, migrating from a desktop and my dead
| ultrabook...
|
| I can live with having ~1hr battery life (which I can push
| further anyway) with the way I operate and work...
|
| Everyone I guess has different priorities. My company went
| remote so I don't have to be in an office or flying around all
| the time anymore, so I need less battery power.
| kristianp wrote:
| I would prefer the X1 Carbon myself, even though it's Intel. I
| prefer the 14 inch size and without an Aluminium case it's
| probably lighter than the Z13. The latest gen of X1 uses a U
| class processor rather than the P-class of the previous
| generation. I don't know how its battery life compares to the Amd
| Z13 though.
|
| I opted for a Thinkpad with upgradable RAM recently instead of an
| X1, as a 3rd party sdimm is about 1/3 the price of the lenovo
| upgrade.
| jwells89 wrote:
| Lenovo's choices with U vs. P variants are confusing sometimes.
| For example, why on earth would you try to cram a hot power
| hungry P-series CPU into the X1 Nano, a machine with tight
| size/weight constraints reducing cooling and battery capacity,
| like they do? Everything about that model screams U series but
| you can't build one with that config.
| stncls wrote:
| Looks like a fantastic Linux laptop.
|
| A few minor remarks:
|
| 1. There seem to be minor issues around suspend (e.g., audio
| issues on resume, cannot yet disable suspend-on-lid-close [1])
|
| 2. As noted in the article, this is not a "classic" Thinkpad. As
| a consequence, some "classic" Thinkpad things may not yet work on
| Linux (e.g. fan control [1])
|
| As usual, _always_ check the amazing Arch Wiki before _any_
| laptop purchase for Linux compatibility.
|
| [1] https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Lenovo_ThinkPad_Z13
| jamesponddotco wrote:
| I have a ThinkPad Z13 as well[1] and, at least on openSUSE
| Tumbleweed, there are no suspend issues that I can find.
| Everything works as it should out of the box.
|
| [1] Two, actually, since my wife has one as well.
| stncls wrote:
| Yes some of the suspend/audio issues are indicated as distro-
| dependent. But have you tried to _disable_ suspend-on-lid-
| close? If that works for you as well, please let me know.
| jamesponddotco wrote:
| Never tried, but let me know how and I can give it a shot.
| stncls wrote:
| Thanks! On systemd-based systems: in
| /etc/systemd/logind.conf:
| HandleLidSwitch=ignore
| HandleLidSwitchExternalPower=ignore
| HandleLidSwitchDocked=ignore
|
| Then: systemctl restart systemd-logind
|
| In addition, some desktop environments may also trigger
| suspend. If so, there should be options in the power
| settings menu.
| _d3Xt3r_ wrote:
| Like the other person, I too have a Z13 and don't have any
| suspend/resume issues on Nobara (a Fedora spin). I can't speak
| about fan control though, haven't tried messing around with it
| but the fan seems to work just fine as intended - spins up when
| needed, quiet otherwise.
| stncls wrote:
| Were you able to _disable_ suspend-on-lid-close? If that
| works for you, please let me know.
| loxias wrote:
| P1 Gen3 w/ 4k OLED, best laptop I've had in my life. It gets a
| bit noisy and hot though.
|
| Liked it so much I bought a 2nd as hot spare. Everything works
| with Debian stable. Do I wish it was AMD based? Yes. 8C16T +
| 64GB is still a lot of awesome.
|
| Edit: As a warning, the display is so good you will have to
| purchase all new displays everywhere else in your life.
| nomel wrote:
| It's unfortunate that these are the same issues I had 18 years
| ago.
| stncls wrote:
| For context (in case anyone thinks I'm nitpicking and all
| laptops are horribly supported on Linux): Basically everything
| works on the Thinkpad X1 Carbon [2], even the latest model
| (Gen11) as long as you buy the right one (no MIPI webcam).
|
| Unfortunately, Lenovo refuses to put AMD processors in X-series
| thinkpads (its top-of-the-line laptops).
|
| [2]
| https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Lenovo_ThinkPad_X1_Carbon_(...
| rjh29 wrote:
| The T14s has AMD, is much cheaper and having owned both I
| can't really see a difference. Maybe a few mm thicker.
| nine_k wrote:
| The T series and the W series are the only Thinkpads I ever
| considered. They are built to be maintainable and somehow
| upgradable. The sleeker X series make too many compromises
| (like soldering the RAM) to be so sleek, and it's not
| something I value at all.
|
| (Typing this from a T14 running Linux.)
| [deleted]
| NikolaNovak wrote:
| Nitpick on the Nitpick, x1 are their thinnest, not
| necessarily top of the line laptops :-)
|
| There's a fairly straightforward set of compromises between
| thin, powerful, repairable, between X, Ts, T proper, P, etc.
| singron wrote:
| If the ctrl and fn key positions bother you on other ThinkPads,
| my T14 has an option to swap them in the BIOS, and I imagine many
| other models do to. The model in the article can probably swap
| them back.
| smileybarry wrote:
| They all offer this, but the key labels (obviously) don't
| change, so it's still a plus to buy one with the layout that's
| "correct" to you.
| KingFelix wrote:
| I have this laptop with windows and its pretty awesome. I had
| simple criteria of long battery life, processor, storage space. I
| got the fake leather version and it's been great.
|
| I really wanted the Zenbook 14x Space edition, if it didn't suck
| at power I might have gone with it. Mostly because it looks rad
| but glad I didn't purchase it, battery life was half of Z13.
| riedel wrote:
| I also opted for this laptop even as it only has 2 usb-c ports
| (no other connectors) and even worse no physical mouse buttons.
| However, this is the first ThinkPad for a long time that has a
| really good thermal design and good battery life. I am happy.
| And I actually even find myself using the touch pad from time
| to time.
| rjh29 wrote:
| The lack of ports and trackpad buttons seems awful. I think
| they ruined the trackpoint too. Are the thermals and battery
| life really so much better than e.g. the T14 or T14s?
| syntaxing wrote:
| Has anyone here used the Framework laptop with the 7040? I've
| been tempted but I recently changed my work laptop to a 14" M1
| MBP, and I work literally all day without plugging in the
| laptop...Its like black magic. I'm really hoping there is
| something similar that is meant for Linux.
| binkHN wrote:
| Please know, in the USA, when you customize the device, you don't
| get to choose your operating system. It's Windows or Windows.
| xmonkee wrote:
| They lost my business just there
| esalman wrote:
| I don't think that's correct. I am in the USA and when I
| configure it, I can pick windows, Ubuntu, fedora or no
| preinsalled OS. Funnily enough, Ubuntu option is $25 cheaper
| than no OS option.
| binkHN wrote:
| Are you on the US site? https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/configur
| ator/cto/index.html?bun...
| Unfrozen0688 wrote:
| You can just install Linux anyway right?
| binkHN wrote:
| Of course, you just pay for Windows whether you want it or
| not.
| bee_rider wrote:
| I'm shocked that OEMs still have to pay for Windows. Isn't
| it an ad platform, post-7 or so?
| skrtskrt wrote:
| I got the Z13 as my personal and loved it so much I got the Z16
| for work.
|
| I was very displeased with the quality on the X1 Carbon Gen 9 I
| had for work before that, felt like a $400 laptop. Just creaky
| thin plastic everywhere, the click buttons worked 1/10th of the
| time, awful trackpad. Also the the crtl-alt-fn key placement on
| the X series is ridiculous.
|
| basically I wanted macbook-level hardware quality, with easy
| Linux support (save for the now-long-gone butterfly keyboard
| issues) I figured Z series would be the closest thing and it has
| really delivered.
|
| I wish there were an in-between size - more screen real estate
| than the Z13, but not as gigantic and hefty as the Z16.
| aftergibson wrote:
| Perfect timing! I listened to that podcast when it first aired
| and am currently laptop shopping. I wanted to recall what
| Wimpress bought but couldn't pinpoint the episode. So thrilled to
| see this pop up on the top of HackerNews!
| ThePhysicist wrote:
| I use a T14 Gen 3 with Ubuntu (23.04 - KDE) and it really works
| flawlessly, even the fingerprint reader and the touchscreen.
| Battery life is great as well (or at least nearly as good as when
| running Windows). The only problem occurs sometimes when having
| the laptop connected to multiple external monitors, putting it to
| sleep, unplugging the monitors and then waking it up, which will
| make it crash. I'm not sure if that's an issue related to the
| laptop or the USB-C dock though.
| endorphine wrote:
| Anyone can comment on Carbon X1 compared to the Z13?
| wmf wrote:
| Don't buy Intel at this point. Maybe the Meteor Lake Carbon
| will be better.
| stncls wrote:
| For context, battery life has cratered on some Thinkpad
| models (e.g. X1 Nano) with the latest Intel CPUs. This is
| partially Lenovo's fault for choosing higher-power lower-
| efficiency CPUs (and of course partially just Intel CPUs
| being more power-hungry than AMD's).
| skrtskrt wrote:
| I don't know how to permalink to my other comment, but my
| experience is the below:
|
| > I got the Z13 as my personal and loved it so much I got the
| Z16 for work.
|
| > I was very displeased with the quality on the X1 Carbon Gen 9
| I had for work before that, felt like a $400 laptop. Just
| creaky thin plastic everywhere, the click buttons worked 1/10th
| of the time, awful trackpad. Also the the crtl-alt-fn key
| placement on the X series is ridiculous.
|
| > basically I wanted macbook-level hardware quality, with easy
| Linux support (safe for the now-long-gone butterfly keyboard
| issues) I figured Z series would be the closest thing and it
| has really delivered.
|
| > I wish there were an in-between size - more screen real
| estate than the Z13, but not as gigantic and hefty as the Z16.
| [deleted]
| mato wrote:
| My most recent Linux laptop upgrade as of 10/2022 was:
|
| FROM a refurbished Panasonic Let's Note CF-SX3, Intel Core
| i5-4300U, ~2013 vintage, 8GB RAM, aftermarket Intel 400GB DC
| S3610 Series SSD, purchase price EUR ~1500 ex VAT plus random
| hassles with customs importing used tech from JP to EU
|
| TO a refurbished Dell Latitude 7390, Intel Core i7-8650U, ~2018
| vintage, 16GB RAM, 512GB SK Hynix NVMe SSD, purchase price EUR
| ~600 ex VAT
|
| The new one unexpectedly came with 16GB RAM instead of the
| advertised 8GB, lucky me. My main reason for upgrading was "want
| Thunderbolt / DP capable of driving 4K display", which turned out
| to be a mixed blessing.
|
| This person's compromise was going from 64GB of RAM to 32GB, and
| from 2TB of storage to 1TB.
|
| You young whippersnappers are so spoilt.
|
| Sorry, couldn't resist.
|
| PS. Now that you know the exact CPU I run, I'll invite you out to
| dinner at a Michelin restaurant of your choice in exchange for my
| private key of your choice.
| ilikenwf wrote:
| Why not one of the coreboot/openec powered machines from
| System76? Purism kinda...sucks lately, but there's also Tuxedo
| computers, the KDE laptop, and others as well...
|
| There's also starlabs but their ship time is atrocious.
| Unfrozen0688 wrote:
| >System76 >starlabs
|
| Have you used a Thinkpad?
|
| The brands you mention do not quite measure up in terms of
| overall quality.
| ilikenwf wrote:
| Lenovo and quality aren't two words I associate together
| anymore. The IBM thinkpads were great, I have a pile of them
| in my storage. In fact I have both some Lenovo and IBM
| branded T60 and T4XX models. The IBM units have obviously
| more bulk to them, and the lids are stronger with more metal
| inside...
|
| I prioritize Coreboot and OpenEC over all else, Lenovo is
| known for security issues with their machines in the past and
| occasionally cripple features and even Linux boot support.
| Their track record is awful. If you're a tinkerer, why would
| you buy a ferrari you're not able or allowed to work on?
|
| The higher end premium System76 machines are of excellent
| quality. The Serval WS - which I ordered 2 weeks ago - is
| such an example.
| ilikenwf wrote:
| In addition the starlabs machines and tuxedo machines are
| ridiculous in terms of quality, even going as far as using
| cherry switches on their keyboards now...in the models well
| beyond my price point.
|
| I realize everyone hates on clevo but it's only the lower end
| models that really suffer "quality" issues.
| Klonoar wrote:
| Starlabs designs and manufactures their own chassis, they
| should not be lumped in with System76 here.
|
| The bigger problem with Starlabs is the wait times can be
| brutal.
| ilikenwf wrote:
| The wait time is what kept me from ordering one, actually.
| I love everything they're doing but don't want to get stuck
| like I did when I bought into the kickstarter for the
| purism librem5...which sits in it's box on my shelf...
| skrtskrt wrote:
| for now the System76 machines are mostly just rebadged (and
| corebooted) Clevos.
|
| The ones that aren't Clevos are rebadged from other brands.
|
| There are endless complaints about their build quality,
| keyboard plastic warped and peeling off and just destroyed
| after a couple years.
|
| System76 is developing their own laptop though, which I will be
| keeping an eye on
| ilikenwf wrote:
| I realize all this...
|
| But my HP Spectre died (I know, don't laugh) - 8th gen i7. It
| was...fine...I almost finished porting coreboot but the EC
| init I never could get working right.
|
| That said the Serval WS and other more premium builds, while
| clevos, are repairable, supported, and have parts and manuals
| available. I realize I could buy a clevo or get a clevo from
| Tuxedo (and pay 5k if I want one with a mech keyboard and a
| 4090 inside) but then determining if the Sys76 coreboot and
| ec firmwares would work on it would be a whole other journey
| that I'm not really interested in right now.
|
| With most manufacturers, even if they have longevity, you're
| still stuck most of the time figuring stuff out on your own
| and buying from China or Ebay to repair when something
| breaks...at least System76 supports their products fully and
| provides repair guides.
| Symmetry wrote:
| The TrackPoint is a chain tying me to Thinkpads.
| ilikenwf wrote:
| I assume you've seen those strange retrofit motherboards from
| China? I forget the name. I know one a few years ago got
| posted here after the owner ported Coreboot to it.
| Klonoar wrote:
| I don't see this mentioned often but it's worth calling it out:
| that touchpad is a Sensel one and they are the _only_
| manufacturer I 've found that makes touchpads that feel on par
| with what's in the Mac lineup.
|
| They can be found in a few other models now and if I was going to
| switch off macOS full time it'd be a hard requirement for
| hardware for me.
|
| https://sensel.com
| bagful wrote:
| I've been daily-driving Fedora on an Ryzen 5 Thinkpad E14 gen. 2
| for almost two years; it works flawlessly except for some issues
| with how the Bluetooth and power management interact with the
| laptop on battery power. The lack of a metallic skeleton makes
| the E14 quite a bit flimsier than proper Thinkpads, but it being
| a sub-$1k laptop this is acceptable for me.
|
| That said, having finished my undergrad with that laptop, I am in
| the market for a new one as I embark on my master's - so an
| article (and associated comment section) like this is just what
| I've been waiting for!
| binkHN wrote:
| I love my E14 Gen 2. It's actually sturdier than some of my
| other ThinkPads and I bought it on a whim with the explicit
| purpose of running ChromeOS Flex--works flawlessly.
| CSDude wrote:
| That looks like a great ThinkPad. Had an E14 Gen3 which was great
| and I loved it dearly, but panel was %75 SRGB (imagine most
| colors are wrong) and practically invisible outside. Although
| it'd be very easy to replace, finding spare parts was very hard
| here so I sold it. Z13/32gb/1tb is around $2000 here where I
| live, and M2 14" 32gb/1tb is $3500.
|
| Man, I miss my Arch Linux sometimes.
| spullara wrote:
| OMG they fixed the ctrl/Fn problem. I literally returned a Dell
| laptop because the ctrl key was on the left edge and the useless
| unprogrammable Fn key was in ctrls rightful spot.
|
| Edit: Wait. Now I'm not sure what you want.
|
| Ya'll are wrong. Mac keyboard is "the way".
| bryanlarsen wrote:
| Control is supposed to be on the left edge. That way you use
| the meat of your hand to use the control key, not a finger.
| zootboy wrote:
| The control key should be the bottom-most, left-most key on the
| keyboard. It should also be a different size or shape from the
| FN key so that you can tell it by feel.
| justsomehnguy wrote:
| Fn should be at the top, FFS.
|
| I can't press Fn and any key on the right side of the keyboard
| on T440 with one hand and my hands aren't small.
| mrigor wrote:
| Since moving our dev environment onto remove VMs, laptop choice
| has become much easier. Battery isn't drained as much by
| tests/VMs/containers, RAM isn't as much of a concern, mac ARM vs
| x86 isn't an issue anymore.
|
| Used same pattern as slack - https://slack.engineering/remote-
| development-at-slack/
| [deleted]
| _d3Xt3r_ wrote:
| I have the same laptop (with a slightly faster CPU though),
| bought it for similar reasons to OOP - I needed something light
| compact, 32GB+ RAM, Ryzen 6000+ APU for some decent light gaming,
| and excellent Linux support of course.
|
| Like OOP, I would've preferred a Framework, but since they didn't
| have an AMD option at the time, I chose this. In fact, it was the
| ONLY laptop in the entire market at the time which met my
| criteria.
|
| I've been using it for over 10 months now and it's held up pretty
| well. Running Nobara (Fedora-based gaming distro) and it runs
| incredibly well, everything worked out-of-the-box, including all
| the Fn keys and suspend/resume.
|
| I used to get around 40-45 FPS playing Diablo 4 under Proton-GE,
| and it was more than playable (I don't play it anymore btw). The
| games that I do play currently are a bit more old-school, like
| Project Diablo 2, Age of Empires 2, Skyrim etc and some retro
| gaming on emulators, all of which it handles like a champ.
|
| I'm glad this is getting some attention now. We need more AMD-
| based and Linux-friendly laptops and end Intel's monopoly in this
| space.
| ilikenwf wrote:
| As much as I dislike the intel/amd "two party" thing we have
| now, why AMD when intel is the devil we know?
|
| I realize performance and power and heat can be the concern but
| ultimately we know how to cripple ME, while the PSP isn't
| really fully understood yet.
|
| System76 Serval WS - I ordered this and it arrives this week,
| however there is at least one AMD laptop they offer, again, I
| believe, with Coreboot and OpenEC.
| dangus wrote:
| The answer to "why AMD" is that you get better performance
| (especially graphics) for the money and better mobile power
| efficiency than Intel at present.
| ilikenwf wrote:
| Makes perfect sense for your situation. In my case it is
| more...portable power, without a lot of concern on
| efficiency because I'm always plugged in.
|
| I guess it depends on priorities. I prefer first to be as
| assured as I can that despite my 0 trust model, my machine
| isn't factory backdoored, or at least, is less factory
| backdoored than everyone else's machine.
| dangus wrote:
| Yeah, no, I can't do the paranoid computing thing. That's
| not for me.
| skrtskrt wrote:
| Intel integrated graphics are terrible, so if you're buying a
| smaller laptop which will usually not have a dedicated
| graphics card, it's gonna poop itself if you're on a video
| call while some basic code compilation is happening.
| _d3Xt3r_ wrote:
| - I trust AMD more than Intel, and the PSP doesn't rank high
| on my threat model. It is a concern, but not enough for me to
| avoid it. Perfectly understandable if it's a big concern for
| you though.
|
| - Also, Intel iGPUs are still pretty bad at gaming, at least
| compared to AMD's equivalents.
|
| - System76 did not (and still does not) offer a compact AMD
| laptop, they only offer a 15" one. I needed 14" or smaller
| for better portability and weight (I'm one of those people
| who actually uses a laptop on their lap).
| ilikenwf wrote:
| Your model makes sense, at least for situations like
| yours...
|
| I got the serval because it includes a 4070 8gb...so
| graphics and battery life aren't really a concern to me...I
| usually am plugged in. I also trust AMD more but they
| haven't been very forthcoming on the PSP.
| ghostpepper wrote:
| The elephant in the room is that there is no Linux laptop
| available on the market at any price, with power efficiency even
| approaching the Apple silicon macs.
| drawnwren wrote:
| You aren't wrong, but you can run linux on apple silicon if
| it's that important to you.
| wmf wrote:
| Ryzen 7000 should be close to Apple Silicon.
| ghostpepper wrote:
| I'm strongly considering a T14 gen4 and if this turns out to
| be correct then that will likely tip me over the edge.
| Hopefully we have some early review in the next few weeks.
| CameronNemo wrote:
| Any reason you want a Lenovo instead of a Framework?
| likethatmatters wrote:
| [flagged]
| ghostpepper wrote:
| The author mentions it in the first paragraph as something he
| was comparing his laptop to, then inexplicably decides that 8
| hours of battery is good enough.
|
| What planet are you from where battery life is an unimportant
| metric for a portable computer?
| ajross wrote:
| Biased perspective, but there are for sure Chromebooks playing
| in that league. Whether you consider those "Linux laptops" is
| more of a taste thing. But if you want an all-day battery on a
| box with a shell and kernel, you can have it.
| itdonotmatter wrote:
| [dead]
| ThePhysicist wrote:
| The T14 runs at around 9W when the screen is not super bright
| and you only do light work. I think the Macbook Pro runs at
| around 6-7W with a similar configuration, which is arguably
| better. The 16' Macbook also has a much larger battery (almost
| 100 Wh I think), the Thinkpad has only a 50 Wh battery so it
| won't last nearly as long on battery. In practice it doesn't
| bother me much though, not many situations where I have trouble
| plugging in a charging cable or carrying a powerbank.
| tedunangst wrote:
| Will have to disagree that the big bump over the screen is
| beautiful to look at from any angle.
|
| > An error occurred: API rate limit exceeded for
| flexiondotorg/flexiondotorg.github.io. Sign in to increase the
| rate limit
|
| Why would I want to do that?
| rgrieselhuber wrote:
| I just set up a T14s with Tumbleweed and it's probably the best
| Linux laptop experience I've had so far.
| Unfrozen0688 wrote:
| The Thinkpad series are a safe bet for Linux and Windows laptop
| workhorses! Amazing build quality overall.
| criddell wrote:
| When you close the lid, does the Z13 hibernate?
|
| I have a P1 and I do a full power-off when I put it in my bag.
| Too many times I've pulled my laptop out of my backpack, fans
| screaming, and it's hot. The P1 might be the worst ThinkPad I've
| owned.
___________________________________________________________________
(page generated 2023-08-29 23:01 UTC)