[HN Gopher] The Silicon Valley Elite Who Want to Build a City fr...
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The Silicon Valley Elite Who Want to Build a City from Scratch
Author : pulisse
Score : 40 points
Date : 2023-08-25 20:05 UTC (2 hours ago)
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| black_13 wrote:
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| jeffbee wrote:
| "Tens of thousands of homes" on 55,000 acres doesn't sound like a
| city, it sounds like more climate-torching bullshit. The Flannery
| parcels are nowhere near any kind of transportation facility, so
| unless they are planning a maglev to Sacramento, and unless the
| project is in fact 54,900 acres of open space and 100 acres of
| urbanism, than I remain highly skeptical.
| pulisse wrote:
| I'd really like to know whether they considered wildfire risk
| when they hatched this plan back in ~2017.
| smugma wrote:
| Antioch BART is just a few miles away. Of course, there's a
| river in the way so that would be a 30 min drive unless they
| extended the line (would take 20-40 years?)
| jeffbee wrote:
| My friend, have you ever ridden from Antioch BART?
| labrador wrote:
| Ok, I'll bite. What's so bad or good about Antioch BART?
| kazen44 wrote:
| oh look...
|
| some other "tech elite" of his time actually already did this[0]
|
| [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fordl%C3%A2ndia
| somethoughts wrote:
| I think what makes the most sense is to build in plans for future
| high density from the get go when the zoning is being first
| written.
|
| So the residential zoning starts out as 8000 square foot lots but
| each lot is enabled in the future for high density 3 story
| residential in 30 years. Commercial zoning is enabled for high
| density residential towers in 30 years as well.
|
| Additionally, while it's still farmland, demarcate the right of
| way for future train lines, bike paths mass transit and
| freeways/underpasses.
|
| I think what chafes NIMBY home owners is that the developers are
| able to change the residential single family zoning to high
| density residential post facto - and pocket the spoils. Basically
| changing the rules of the game via lobbying city council members.
| Meanwhile the rule following NIMBY home owner's zoning remains
| unchanged and they just have to deal with more traffic and less
| sunlight.
|
| And then make all home/property buyers sign documents attesting
| that this is the city charter and cannot be changed.
| tspike wrote:
| https://archive.is/1cYIj
| melenaboija wrote:
| Interesting (and with some paranoia) discussion about this topic
| one month ago.
|
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36816387
| smugma wrote:
| "[Investors] include Mr. Moritz; Reid Hoffman, the LinkedIn co-
| founder, venture capitalist and Democratic donor; Marc Andreessen
| and Chris Dixon, investors at the Andreessen Horowitz venture
| capital firm; Patrick and John Collison, the sibling co-founders
| of the payments company Stripe; Laurene Powell Jobs, founder of
| the Emerson Collective; and Nat Friedman and Daniel Gross,
| entrepreneurs turned investors. Andreessen Horowitz is also a
| backer"
| msie wrote:
| My crazy/naive idea is to build stable countries in South America
| and Africa to attract migrants and asylum seekers. It would be
| more economic and palatable than tackling regime change/culture
| change in troubled countries (mexico, el salvador, iran,
| afghanistan) where these migrants came from and lessen the need
| to beef up local infrastructure. Isn't this how cities emerged in
| the past?
| cellis wrote:
| You can't build stable countries in those places as long as
| narcotraffickers and commodity smugglers exist, and they will
| exist as long as we have repressive laws on drug use (in the
| United States and other Rich Nations) and sanctions on
| commodities from the same. The problem is these combined
| policies incentivize defacto states that aren't democratic and
| will extort or thwart any well meaning developers. In countries
| without a strong rule of law you won't get far (absent finding
| a way to monopolize force yourself).
| toss1 wrote:
| >> (absent finding a way to monopolize force yourself)
|
| Exactly this.
|
| Any person who wants to live a self-determined life, and have
| a self-determined govt must be (individually or collectively)
| better armed and better prepared than everyone form the
| wannabe local lunch bully, regional warlord, or national
| authoritarian. IF not, they will take your lunch and your
| government every time.
|
| The GP's plan is great, but (s)he will need to start with a
| significant well-managed armed force. Otherwise, the local
| drug lord, warlord, mafia don, or authoritarian will ignore
| you until you create value, then decide they want it for
| themselves. If you cannot defend it, it will be theirs until
| they destroy it.
| hgsgm wrote:
| UK has an agreement with Rwanda to send refugees to Rwanda.
|
| But the UK High Court nixed it, because Rwanda is "not a safe
| country".
|
| https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rwanda_asylum_plan
| gizajob wrote:
| There's a big difference between needing asylum and needing
| asylum in a stable country with universal healthcare and a
| benefits system.
| jacknobody wrote:
| The country you seek is called Heaven. I don't blame you for
| recognising the need - I'm the same. Sadly many of our
| companions would rather see themselves in charge, just to make
| sure everyone is treated justly of course, but that always
| causes Hell for somebody.
| imbnwa wrote:
| Outer Heaven?
| azmodeus wrote:
| Building heaven on earth is a good aspirational political
| goal.
| nicup12345689 wrote:
| Immanentize the Eschaton am I rite?
|
| Just like the Gnostics, Marxists, communists, Obama, Trump
| ...
| jacknobody wrote:
| Yes!!
| nicup12345689 wrote:
| You think it has not been tried by the people in those
| countries?
| MrMan wrote:
| [dead]
| RGamma wrote:
| [delayed]
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