[HN Gopher] BioWare is laying off 50 employees
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       BioWare is laying off 50 employees
        
       Author : cfcfcf
       Score  : 42 points
       Date   : 2023-08-23 22:24 UTC (35 minutes ago)
        
 (HTM) web link (blog.bioware.com)
 (TXT) w3m dump (blog.bioware.com)
        
       | bitwize wrote:
       | BioWare hasn't been BioWare since the founders left. It's just a
       | name now, thoroughly digested by the EA sarlacc.
        
         | ljm wrote:
         | That is the entire history of gaming though, no? It's the same
         | churn you are working with now but you're not making games or
         | fun, you're making productivity tools or better graphics or
         | whatever, and other people are using that for games.
        
         | izzydata wrote:
         | Does any company remain being the same company after ~20-40
         | years then?
        
           | chaostheory wrote:
           | [delayed]
        
           | SSLy wrote:
           | Nintendo is the same as ~ever.
        
         | oneepic wrote:
         | It's not the same, but the most recent games aren't total
         | disasters IMO. I liked the character story quests in SW: The
         | Old Republic, for example -- Jedi Knight's storyline was
         | enjoyable. (Plus the game is f2p.)
        
           | chpatrick wrote:
           | That's already 13 years old though.
        
           | brucethemoose2 wrote:
           | The Old Republic would be a fine game, if it wasn't an MMO.
           | 
           | And I don't mean multiplayer, that is fine. But the hotbar
           | mashing combat, the grindy areas filled with standing mooks,
           | all the padding and instancing... Bioware Austin did a great
           | job changing it to be more KOTOR-like over the years, but at
           | its core its a hotbar MMO.
           | 
           | On a seperate note, Andromeda was tragic, still but I still
           | liked it.
           | 
           | Anthem was... Just tragic. I am literally the target
           | demographic (ME3 coop fans) but was not the least bit
           | interested.
        
       | cauthon wrote:
       | When was the last BioWare game that was actually excellent? ME2
       | in 2010?
        
         | iepathos wrote:
         | Dragon Age: Inquisition 2014 was quite good. Not as good as
         | origin, but far better than dragon age II.
        
         | shredprez wrote:
         | I dunno, I really enjoyed Dragon Age: Inquisition... but it was
         | also my first real exposure to BioWare, so take it with a grain
         | of salt.
        
           | YawningAngel wrote:
           | I had a lot of fun with Inquisition, but the MMOish world
           | design and the fact that so much core plot was hived off into
           | Trespasser makes it hard to call the game truly excellent.
        
           | pradn wrote:
           | You should play Dragon Age: Origins. It's a lot tighter, way
           | less filler. I look at these games with a million copy-paste
           | quest markers and "points of interest" and just know there's
           | little actual substance there.
           | 
           | Or you can play Baldur's Gate 3 like everyone else is now :)
           | The DnD systems take a bit of getting used to. The game is an
           | excellent story-telling experience, despite that ("despite"
           | in my opinion).
        
           | karaterobot wrote:
           | Good news, they've got several other, better RPGs :)
        
         | boppo1 wrote:
         | Kotor 2
        
           | consilient wrote:
           | Kotor 2 was Obsidian, not BioWare.
        
           | oneepic wrote:
           | Provided you use mods and community patches, sure. I had to
           | replay all of Nar Shaddaa, and kept getting the bug where
           | it's skipping all the dialogue. (Also, I felt my ending was
           | underwhelming.)
        
             | lucisferre wrote:
             | Never been able to get past a game breaking crash bug so
             | I've never finished KOTOR2 sadly.
        
           | [deleted]
        
         | LegitShady wrote:
         | Deus ex mankind divided was a great game that just feels like
         | it ends too early. Apparently square enix is to blame for that.
        
           | danudey wrote:
           | Mankind Divided was developed by Eidos Montreal, not Bioware.
        
           | jonny_eh wrote:
           | Not a Bioware game. They have no involvement with that
           | franchise at all.
        
           | [deleted]
        
           | ljm wrote:
           | BioWare had nothing to do with Makind Divided or Human
           | Revolution.
        
         | [deleted]
        
         | jonny_eh wrote:
         | MDK2
        
           | yamazakiwi wrote:
           | They made a 2? I remember getting the demo disk of MDK from
           | GamePro Magazine AGES ago.
        
         | SSLy wrote:
         | Except the infamously underwhelming ending, ME3 was excellent.
        
           | Fomite wrote:
           | This. I got through like 98% of the game thinking "What is
           | everyone on about? This game is amazing..."
        
         | kyleyeats wrote:
         | Are you kidding? The third title in their famous Baldur's Gate
         | series just came out and everyone is talking about it. It's
         | being called a triumph of PC gaming and a return to form.
         | 
         | Oh wait. They only made the first two. (The answer to your
         | question is _ME1_ )
        
           | bluefirebrand wrote:
           | Did Bioware even make either Baldur's Gate game?
           | 
           | I thought they were just the publisher, Black Isle was the
           | developer? Do I have that backwards?
           | 
           | Edit: I looked it up and I do have it backwards.
        
             | hiddencost wrote:
             | Reread the parent. They were attempting sarcasm.
        
               | Nition wrote:
               | You've actually misread bluefirebrand's comment in this
               | case.
        
               | bluefirebrand wrote:
               | No, I got the joke. I'm fully aware that Baldur's Gate 3
               | is not related to Bioware at all.
               | 
               | Also that Larian is basically eating Bioware's lunch
               | right now because Bioware has dropped the ball on Dragon
               | Age which would occupy a similar space to BG3
               | 
               | It's actually even funnier that Larian is doing it by
               | using a franchise that Bioware built 20 years ago.
        
             | [deleted]
        
             | jholman wrote:
             | You might also be thinking about Planescape Torment, which
             | was developed by BlackIsle with licensed BioWare technology
             | (the Baldur's Gate engine). As far as I'm aware, Planescape
             | Torment is the closest BioWare has ever gotten to the
             | creation of an excellent game.
        
         | quickthrowman wrote:
         | Baldur's Gate 2, which is also BioWare's best game.
        
           | yamazakiwi wrote:
           | I Love Shadows of Amn but I'd personally rather play Icewind
           | Dale :)
        
       | SOLAR_FIELDS wrote:
       | > We are doing everything we can to ensure the process is handled
       | with empathy, respect, and clear communication.
       | 
       | Zero mention of what these employees are getting in terms of
       | severance. Passing mention that there are "other roles in other
       | studios". Spends the rest of the announcement talking about what
       | it means for the games in development, doesn't even mention the
       | people involved again
        
         | HonoredHeadline wrote:
         | I don't see how not mentioning how much they are getting in
         | severance has anything to do with what they mentioned. You may
         | wish to know for curiosities sake but frankly it's none of your
         | business.
        
           | Volundr wrote:
           | It can be helpful to tell the employees left behind the
           | severance structure. Knowing their cohorts are being well
           | taken care of can help alleviate the bad vibes for those left
           | behind. General public? Yeah I don't see any benefit to
           | sharing that info.
        
         | tick_tock_tick wrote:
         | Why would you expect that in a blog post targeted at the
         | general public? It focuses on what the target audience cares
         | about (games).
        
         | [deleted]
        
         | Unfrozen0688 wrote:
         | This should be handled by laws, unions and the company, not the
         | public
         | 
         | And yes we have a union for all knowledge workers with or
         | without degrees
        
       | steno132 wrote:
       | I've heard rumors Microsoft was going to buy BioWare from EA, but
       | when that fell through, they pursued Activision instead.
       | 
       | It's too bad. With MSFT they wouldn't have had to do this.
        
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