[HN Gopher] Zoom CEO says employees can't be as innovative or ge...
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Zoom CEO says employees can't be as innovative or get to know each
other on Zoom
Author : jordanpg
Score : 21 points
Date : 2023-08-23 22:13 UTC (47 minutes ago)
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| pxc wrote:
| Regardless of Zoom's quality as a video calling platform, the
| real place that daily collaboration and cross-pollination of
| ideas happens for remote workers is never video calls anyway IME.
| It's open-ended, text-based group discussions-- not meetings!
|
| What is Zoom using internally for chat?
| jfghi wrote:
| None of these arguments were ever made when sending engineering
| teams offshore.
| missedthecue wrote:
| Well there's a major difference here. Paying a dev overseas
| $50,000 a year instead of $180,000 a year could be well worth
| it even though you incur losses in areas like coordination,
| community, and communication.
|
| But paying devs $180,000 a year to sit alone 20km away from
| each other, while they slack and zoom doesn't have the same
| cost/benefit ratio to consider. You still lose the benefits
| mentioned above, but don't save anything on costs.
|
| This isn't an argument for or against remote work, but
| offshoring and WFH have important differences.
| [deleted]
| timetraveller26 wrote:
| You know what would be cool? If some company would fix those
| remote working problems instead of forcing people to work in
| place. But I guess it's not their job.
| chucky_z wrote:
| Maybe I'll take flak for this. I feel like Slack and kin have
| done the best job here for providing remote collaboration
| tools.
|
| I feel much more productive in write-first teams. Meetings
| _can_ be done over Zoom then, and they're always short and
| productive. Anything works at that point.
| samorozco wrote:
| That seems bad for business.
| blinded wrote:
| Yes I think of solutions for all my awesome work problems in
| bumper to bumper traffic on my hour long commute. <sarcasm>
| adamckay wrote:
| It's a bold move to say the product your company sells is total
| crap, but not unheard of.
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerald_Ratner#Career
| Waterluvian wrote:
| There's a level of honesty in Ratner's response that I doubt
| most tech execs are capable of.
| version_five wrote:
| Why is that incongruous? I bet the McDonald's CEO doesn't think
| you should eat it at every meal. It has a place. It would
| actually be a lot weirder or untenable if he advocated moving all
| work to zoom.
| add-sub-mul-div wrote:
| People here are obviously working backwards from a strong
| desire to work from home. It's not worth your time to take the
| specific arguments literally or seriously. It's a community of
| severe introverts I guess, I don't consider it representative
| of the greater culture.
| shadowofneptune wrote:
| If the workplace sucks, as most do right now, there's about
| two options for what to do:
|
| 1. Force out the people who are making it suck. This is
| difficult with how managers are trained nowadays, never to
| take sides even if one party is clearly a drag on the group.
| Shunning and isolation are options, but ones very hard to
| keep up without support.
|
| 2. Stop caring about work. Phone it in. Don't care anymore.
|
| 3. Don't be present physically in that environment.
|
| Of course people want to work from home when every
| interaction is unpleasant. It also saves on transportation
| cost, cost of caring for family, every single thing that an
| employer likes to pretend is not their cost to pay. It's not
| about people being naturally 'introverted' or 'extroverted,'
| it's about the social environment everyone, including
| management, creates around them.
| catchnear4321 wrote:
| spending more time trying to internally prove that the product is
| bad than time spent externally trying to prove it is good is a
| very strange approach at selling product.
| kylecazar wrote:
| Working in-office and I still use Zoom pretty regularly. I don't
| think this negates it's value as a tool...
| HWR_14 wrote:
| Given that Zoom is paid for monthly but accrues costs by the use,
| maybe they want to lower the average use of the product to save
| money. Like how people subscribed to HBO just for GoT.
| AA-BA-94-2A-56 wrote:
| Zoom CEO wants to tank the stock price apparently
| klyrs wrote:
| Or, he's more focused on his real estate holdings and he'll
| still be fuck-you rich if Zoom collapses.
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