[HN Gopher] Babylon 5 Is a Perfect, Terrible Series
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       Babylon 5 Is a Perfect, Terrible Series
        
       Author : webmaven
       Score  : 47 points
       Date   : 2023-08-13 21:00 UTC (2 hours ago)
        
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       | consumer451 wrote:
       | Oh, wow! I was just about to comment "I really want this series
       | upscaled with some nice ML." Looks like WB did something along
       | those lines in 2021.
       | 
       | This is the only sci-fi series of note which I have not watched
       | all the way through. The time has come. Thanks for the post OP.
       | 
       | https://www.space.com/babylon-5-remastered-streaming-amazon-...
        
       | pram wrote:
       | I feel the same way about Lexx. It's awful, I'd never recommend
       | it to anyone. But it's also always very weird and interesting and
       | the setting is fascinating. It feels like anti-utopian sci-fi.
       | Like sci-fi for misanthropes lol
        
         | morkalork wrote:
         | I'm utterly astounded that show was ever green lit, let alone
         | had multiple seasons. The whole thing was like a fever dream.
        
       | hyperion2010 wrote:
       | I was playing Stellaris recently, and a few months later started
       | a rewatch of Babylon 5. The inspiration is striking. B5, despite
       | all its shortcomings, represents a vision of the timeless nature
       | of politics that is in a way distinct from e.g. TNG. Furthermore
       | the characters have a level of depth and complexity that force
       | one to look in the mirror and ask hard questions about what it
       | means to be a good person in the context of titanic forces the we
       | could easily dismiss as being beyond our control.
        
       | goldcd wrote:
       | J Michael Straczynski autobiography "Becoming Superman" is
       | definitely worth reading/listening to.
       | 
       | Still hope he made some of it up though..
        
       | dsr_ wrote:
       | I selectively rewatched B5 this summer with one of my kids, who
       | had never seen it before.
       | 
       | It holds up very well, actually, once he got past the blocky CGI.
       | The characterization is wonderful, the plotting ridiculously
       | tight -- episodes that look like they are just Monster of the
       | Week filler are not; a few episodes are clearly setting up
       | something Big and then just barely get referenced.
       | 
       | The growth in G'Kar and Vir is amazing; the relationship between
       | G'Kar and Londo legendary.
        
         | cassianoleal wrote:
         | I did a full rewatch this year. Including some of the obscure
         | feature films.
         | 
         | The series is incredible. I agree with all your comments, but
         | will also add that B5 is probably the best well told time
         | travel story I've ever seen.
        
         | throw0101b wrote:
         | > _G 'Kar and Londo_
         | 
         | Elevator scene:
         | 
         | * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkwF5BBL26I
        
       | jmclnx wrote:
       | When it first aired, it was the only show us in the Computer Room
       | ever talked about, before or since, it was amazing. I remember
       | every one outside of the room talking about some crazy things
       | people were doing. I finally asked one of them, "who did that ?".
       | I was told it was on a show called Seinfeld, which most of us in
       | the room never heard about :)
       | 
       | I re-watched it last year, time for another spin with B5.
        
       | hinkley wrote:
       | I was always a bit confused about where Bruce disappeared to
       | after Scarecrow and Mrs King. I came to the show late, everyone
       | was telling me to watch it, but I mostly watched a few episodes
       | as a nod to Bruce Boxleitner.
        
       | badrabbit wrote:
       | Stargate is the perfect space scifi series, even better than
       | starwars, startrek and the expanse. The best part of it is it
       | takes part in our time and universe. Unfortunately, not many have
       | even heard of it.
       | 
       | I also like how it is scientists today working with alien
       | technology making spaceships and fighter planes.
        
         | le-mark wrote:
         | The thing I most enjoyed about the stargate franchise was how
         | the alien tech tree was discovered over time. The series didn't
         | plan for this (I don't believe) and in later seasons it all got
         | kinda bizarre and wonky. I don't know of many other works of
         | fiction that took this approach. I think Perry Rhodan series
         | did (I only read a few installments) and the novel Battlefield
         | Earth had this as an element.
        
         | hinkley wrote:
         | I fully hated Robert Carlyle's character in Stargate Universe,
         | and still was sad that the show got cancelled so quick.
        
         | jasonwatkinspdx wrote:
         | Stargate is well known. There's Stargate memes all over reddit
         | and imgur.
         | 
         | Some of us simply don't like it. I find it too corny and
         | superficial to watch personally. If you like it that's ok,
         | we're allowed to like different things, but I think you may be
         | overestimating how many people are in fact familiar with the
         | show and do not regard it as anywhere close to the perfect sci
         | fi show.
         | 
         | That said, the original Stargate movie was an adolescent
         | favorite of mine. I just find the show unwatchable.
        
         | PrimeMcFly wrote:
         | Of course people have heard of Stargate. It's one of the
         | biggest sci-fi franchises there is, with 17 seasons and 3
         | movies.
         | 
         | It's one of my favorite series also, but it's hard to compare
         | to something like B5 which is very different tonally.
        
           | hinkley wrote:
           | > 17 seasons
           | 
           | That's not counting the spinoffs right?
        
             | PrimeMcFly wrote:
             | It is. SG1 was 10, Atlantis was 5 and Universe was 2.
        
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       | driscoll42 wrote:
       | For anyone that is on a rewatch and never read through them. The
       | Lurker's Guide
       | (http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/countries/us/eplist.html) for the
       | show is a wonderful companion. The Fandom wiki doesn't have
       | nearly the detail this site from when the show came out (and
       | still getting updated) has. Wonderful behind the scenes quotes
       | from AOL chatrooms, how episodes link to an the overarching plot,
       | and other trivia
        
       | gdubs wrote:
       | Babylon 5 sat at a golden age of the Amiga/VideoToaster/Lightwave
       | era of TV science fiction show. At the time it was very inspiring
       | to see how visual effects companies were using non-SGI hardware
       | to tell stories.
        
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