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Metro 2033 author Dmitry Glukhovsky sentenced to 8 years in prison
Author : mrzool
Score : 136 points
Date : 2023-08-13 19:23 UTC (3 hours ago)
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| ajuc wrote:
| This is what freedom of speech is all about, not insulting the
| minorities you dislike.
| Mountain_Skies wrote:
| [flagged]
| [deleted]
| wkat4242 wrote:
| Wow, it's brave that he took a stand like this. Even though he's
| not in the country. Kudos!
|
| Ps great books too.
| The_Colonel wrote:
| Russia's sinking deeper and deeper into the abyss is worrisome.
| What can bring some hope for the future? I mean Russia is not
| going to become a western style democracy anytime soon, but some
| kind of normalization would be welcome. Maybe after the current
| generation of the KGB guard Putin/Patrushev/Bortnikov... retire?
| They're all in their 70s ...
| egoregorov wrote:
| [flagged]
| 0xDEF wrote:
| Ah the good old classic of accusing Russian dissidents of being
| Jews or crypto-Jews. A tradition as old as Stalin.
|
| FYI Dmitry Glukhovsky is neither Jewish nor Israeli.
| egoregorov wrote:
| [flagged]
| Claude_Shannon wrote:
| Your dog whistles are as subtle as brick to the head.
| 0xDEF wrote:
| He also conveniently made comments pretending to be
| Ukrainian but spelling it "Kiev".
| cpursley wrote:
| Russians don't make a big stink when people call Mahskvah
| "Moss-COW". The word policing in the English language
| world is insular and annoying (especially considering
| their extreme lack of foreign language competency).
| Different languages have different pronunciations of
| place names; get over it.
| egoregorov wrote:
| when i die i pray to be reborn as a ukrainian
| egoregorov wrote:
| what is your position on the israeli occupation of
| palestine and syria?
| ifdefdebug wrote:
| Unclear to me why you bring up Israel in this context other
| than provoking a flame session.
| secondary_op wrote:
| [flagged]
| Eddygandr wrote:
| Key bits of info here:
|
| > Glukhovsky was found guilty of posting text and video messages
| on his social media channels accusing Russian soldiers of
| committing crimes in Ukraine. Prosecutors dismissed Glukhovsky's
| allegations as fake.
|
| > Fortunately for Glukhovsky, he is not actually in Russia, and
| was sentenced in absentia. His current whereabouts are unknown.
|
| Thankfully he isn't anywhere to be found, hopefully he made it to
| a safe country.
| riku_iki wrote:
| still a big hit on someone's life with being forced to abandon
| own country and go through all asylum and adaptation process
| somewhere else..
| jacquesm wrote:
| It beats the alternatives by a considerable distance.
| Guthur wrote:
| [flagged]
| some_random wrote:
| There is no UA murder list.
| justsomehnguy wrote:
| [citation needed]
| riku_iki wrote:
| citation not usually needed for random fantasy in
| internet.
|
| Person who made allegation is supposed to bring proof.
| pydry wrote:
| I think theyre referring to
| https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myrotvorets
|
| some of whom have been murdered shortly after appearing
| on the list.
| riku_iki wrote:
| there are thousands people on that list, many are
| participating in questionable activities, of course some
| got murdered, but majority just arrested and put to
| trial.
| nine_k wrote:
| That big hit happened at the end of February 2022, not now,
| especially for males in the age range fit for military
| service.
|
| For many, it happened in 2014 when the precursor of the
| current RU-UA war has started, with the (technically
| brilliant, admittedly) capture of Crimea, and the support of
| insurgency in western Ukraine.
|
| Being a vocal critic of the Russian regime is and has been
| unsafe in Russia, for many years, and for obvious reasons.
| Look at the guy named Girkin [1]: a hugely prominent Russian
| nationalist and imperialist, who has actually fought on the
| Russian side in the RU-UA conflict, and only demanded more of
| the war, is under arrest. He happened to criticize the
| ineptitude of the Russian military too loudly.
|
| [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igor_Girkin
| pydry wrote:
| It's not exactly safe in Ukraine either. American blogger
| Gonzalo Lira is under arrest for essentially an identical
| crime, dubbed "infoterrorism".
| dralley wrote:
| You misspelled "sending pictures of Ukrainian military
| equipment to Russian intelligence"
|
| As a sidenote, that dumbass was stupid enough to live-
| tweet his attempt to jump bail and illegally cross the
| border.
| riku_iki wrote:
| > under arrest for essentially an identical crime
|
| or very far from that
| _kbh_ wrote:
| > It's not exactly safe in Ukraine either. American
| blogger Gonzalo Lira is under arrest for essentially an
| identical crime, dubbed "infoterrorism".
|
| Gonzalo Lira supports a lot of the same positions as
| Russian propaganda would like to promote.
|
| I don't know why anyone would expect him to remain free
| when he decided to stay in Ukraine after the invasion
| started when he continued to justify Russias brutal
| invasion of Ukraine.
|
| He also said that he was fleeing the country too hungry
| after he got released on bail, so he clearly doesn't make
| smart decisions.
| OfSanguineFire wrote:
| > He happened to criticize the ineptitude of the Russian
| military too loudly.
|
| Girkin had criticized the military for over a year, and
| suffered no consequences. He is said to have protectors
| among the security services. His troubles started only this
| summer just after he demanded a new president for Russia,
| someone other than Putin - in Russia you can criticize the
| boyars, but you can't ever call for the tsar's removal.
| riku_iki wrote:
| yes, and multiple opposition leaders been killed even
| before that, while west was paying hundreds billions to
| Putin for oil and gas.
| depereo wrote:
| Did you mean 'support of insurgency' in eastern Ukraine?
| riku_iki wrote:
| support by shipping tanks and personal.
| logdap wrote:
| [dead]
| Eddygandr wrote:
| Oh of course, the title made me think he was already in some
| gulag somewhere though.
| ChrisMarshallNY wrote:
| The Russians are known to reach out, after dissidents
| living abroad, though.
| [deleted]
| binarypop wrote:
| This is the reason why we can't do anything in Russia. The power
| here is trained to find the growth points of potential protest
| organizers and destroy them at the stage of origin. Recently,
| Navalny was tightened by measures in prison and extended his
| term. Any organizer of the rally is put on a pencil and special
| forces come to it and his relatives and knocks out the doors. The
| rest understand that jokes are bad. All social networks and
| Russian chats are now supervised by Putin's close associates.
| They have access to correspondence in chats and SMS and there are
| special algorithms that can find these points in the field. No
| jokes. You will be caught when you are still small and raped in
| prison if you continue to bend your line. Even Navalny, who was
| simply a tremendous popularity among young people in the late
| 10s, can no longer do anything with this.
|
| What else to expect from the country of total repressions and
| terror in the past and the country in which power is privatized
| by oligarchs from the special services. The only achievement of
| Putin is his psychopathic ability to isolate and destroy people.
| Well, clearly working on psychology clinging to the vile
| historical past in which one of the relatives or relatives of
| friends could be in the frosty camps of the Far North (read at
| your leisure about USSR concentration camps). They don't just do
| anything with this but on the contrary the Kremlin propagandists
| encourage not to be forgotten so that people do not relax and
| knew "their place". Any public protest in large cities now use
| face recognition alghorithms + phone location.
|
| And for each oligarch there is a folder with crimes - otherwise
| you simply will not become an oligarch without gluing like in
| typical Italian movie about the mafia. To not jump from the boat.
| The exception is Oleg Tinkov - a kind of punk in Russian
| business.
| wetpaws wrote:
| [dead]
| sixQuarks wrote:
| Why is this getting so much publicity when youtuber Gonzalo Lira
| was jailed by Ukraine for "insulting" Ukraine by critiquing the
| western-led proxy war?
|
| This guy tried to seek asylum in Hungary but was caught and is
| now probably in jail, unlike Dmitry Glukhovsky who is not even in
| Russia and will not see jail time.
|
| We've sent over $100 billion to support the proxy war and most
| Americans don't realize how corrupt and undemocratic Ukraine is.
|
| https://www.reddit.com/r/WayOfTheBern/comments/15ev00r/right...
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adxDhyq8pms
| 0xDEF wrote:
| Gonzalo Lira is an American sex tourist turned pro-Russian
| propagandist.
|
| Why should an American citizen be entitled to move around
| freely in Ukraine and report Ukrainian military locations to
| Russia?
| logdap wrote:
| [dead]
| moribvndvs wrote:
| For other readers:
|
| Gonzalo Lira is a far right vlogger that has been accused of
| being a pro-Putin propagandist. It's not my intent to convince
| you he is or isn't, but I have a big fucking problem with OP's
| naked attempt at false equivalence.
| oaththrowaway wrote:
| I don't know anything about Gonzalo, but are you insinuating
| that it's okay for people to be locked up because they are
| accused of being pro-Putin?
| slily wrote:
| Swap the politics and it looks exactly the same. Solely based
| on your comment anyway, I don't know either character. You
| should be aware of your own bias. It is disturbing to see
| Western "liberals" justify persecuting their political
| opponents.
| simonh wrote:
| It looks like Lira is a grade A scumbag, but he seems to be a
| very careful scumbag. If he's being persecuted for voicing
| opinions, no matter how distasteful, that's a problem.
| dralley wrote:
| "for criticizing Russia's invasion of Ukraine"
|
| IMO that context deserves to be in the title, as it was in the
| original headline. I don't quite understand why it was left off
| when posted here.
| Axsuul wrote:
| Also he's not currently in Russia.
| riidom wrote:
| Conveniently placed on the very bottom of the article. Cheap.
| londons_explore wrote:
| Uncited too...
| mschuster91 wrote:
| HN submissions are limited in title length
| Loughla wrote:
| Metro 2033 author Dmitry Glukhivsky receives 8 years for
| criticizing Russia.
|
| There, I did it.
| [deleted]
| mvdtnz wrote:
| Receives 8 years of what? That is much less clear.
| BWStearns wrote:
| Free ice cream.
|
| "Receives $X years" Is an idiomatic way of expressing
| prison terms. Same kind of thing as saying "20 to life".
| dralley wrote:
| There are ways to shorten that headline that don't leave out
| such critical details.
| DotaFan wrote:
| It wasn't hard to guess tho.
| thfuran wrote:
| If you think that's true, you pay far more attention to
| Dmitry Glukhovsky than average.
| hn_throwaway_99 wrote:
| As someone who remembers well the fall of the Berlin Wall and the
| Soviet Union, and lived in Russia for a period during the
| tumultuous 90s, it's really sad to me how the hope of that era
| (despite the fact that it could easily be argued that what
| happened in the 90s really set the stage for today's government
| in Russia) has devolved into the autocratic dystopia that is
| present day Russia (and China, for that matter).
|
| Sometimes I can't decide if Gen X in the US was the luckiest or
| unluckiest generation. On one handed we got to spend our teens
| and 20s during the 90s, one of the most hopeful/optimistic
| periods in human history (fall of the Iron Curtain, US budget
| surpluses, rise of the Internet), but on the other hand we got to
| see it all reverse in a scant 20 years: liberal democracy
| teetering across the globe, climate change not being some far off
| thing but an immediate concern, unimaginable wealth inequality,
| the rise of technology as a force used to destroy our social
| fabric, and just generally feeling so many people be
| angry/scared/depressed all the time. Hopefully "this too shall
| pass".
|
| Edit: since many people seem to be misunderstanding what I was
| saying: yes, I know Russia was a complete, corrupt shit show in
| the 90s - I saw it first hand, and it was really, really sad.
| What I meant is that there _was_ a ton of hope by many people (at
| least the Russians I knew /lived with in Moscow) when communism
| first fell that they would be able to transition to a successful
| democracy. Much of the sadness was that potential never came to
| fruition.
| lucubratory wrote:
| "Hope of that era" is an unusual way to describe the largest
| single spike in deaths of despair in human history.
| 0xDEF wrote:
| >the largest single spike in deaths of despair in human
| history
|
| 1990s Eastern Europe was bad but this is extreme revisionism
| and exaggeration.
|
| The despair and famines caused by Stalin, Hitler, Mao all
| caused far more deaths.
| shakow wrote:
| > The despair and famines caused by Stalin, Hitler, Mao all
| caused far more deaths.
|
| That's true, but if you take the demographic residue, the
| fall of the USSR is the only time, safe for the worst year
| of the stalinist purges, to make it dive into the negatives
| : https://ic.pics.livejournal.com/burckina_faso/26952019/74
| 305...
|
| It's hard to visualize how big of an impact it had on
| Russian society as a whole.
| lucubratory wrote:
| "Deaths of despair" is a defined term that includes three
| causes of death: suicide, drug overdose, and alcoholic
| liver disease. 1991 was the largest spike in deaths of
| despair in human history and the whataboutism and
| borderline Holocaust revisionism of implying Hitler's
| genocide was primarily drug overdoses, alcoholic liver
| disease, or suicide (!) is morally abhorrent. You could
| have just looked up a term you didn't understand rather
| than rushing to argue, and in the process arguing that
| Hitler's victims killed themselves.
| [deleted]
| secondary_op wrote:
| [flagged]
| kspacewalk2 wrote:
| That doesn't make much sense, because in the 90s Russia was
| not the authoritarian dystopia it is now, so good how is one
| projecting experiences from the 90s by observing that obvious
| fact?
| dralley wrote:
| It should be noted that 90s Russia a bit of a dystopia for
| many, many other reasons, regardless of the temporary
| relaxation of authoritarianism in their government.
| hn_throwaway_99 wrote:
| All your comments are blatant Russian propaganda, with
| vulgarities thrown in for good measure...
| yhavr wrote:
| > during the 90s
|
| > one of the most hopeful/optimistic periods in human history
|
| I first thought that you were American, but then I read more
| carefully
|
| > and lived in Russia
|
| Sorry, but how can you combine "90s" and "optimistic" if you
| witnessed it by yourself? For post-soviet people it was a
| nightmare, it was a total collapse of their world, with
| oligarchy, banditry, miserable salaries (or no salaries at
| all). I was a kid during that time, but I'm pretty sure nobody
| was giving a flying duck about US budged surpluses, and people
| wasn't able to admire the rise of internet, because they got it
| only in 00s.
| nine_k wrote:
| Why, the 1990s were the time when Communism finally fell, and
| something closely resembling a Western system (if you squint
| just right) was being built.
|
| Also, times of tumult like the 1990s are always times of
| opportunity for those who has the energy and connections.
| Huge businesses have been built in Russia during 1990s, and
| many of them were built honestly, so to say, not by
| plundering some Soviet-era resources. Some obvious examples
| familiar for the IT crowd would be Yandex, Kaspersky, ABBYY.
| yhavr wrote:
| The system wasn't even close to the Western one. On the
| opposite, it was raise of lawlessness and crime. Yes,
| people had connections, connections with mafia. Either for
| paying racket, or even participating in their business. It
| was extremely hard to be a fair player (western style) that
| time.
| nine_k wrote:
| But look! A parliament, with actual-looking elections!
| Actual-looking (though of course rigged) presidential
| elections! Free to open your own business! (Well, subject
| to dealing with mafia and corrupt police.) The influx of
| the Western merchandise, and of the Western media! And
| the Communist rule most obviously gone!
|
| It was quite different from Soviet times, different
| enough to keep an illusion of things going in the right
| general direction in a sufficient number of people,
| especially in large cities, despite impoverishment and
| wars. The powers that were pushed the idea that it's
| either these transient problems, or the Communist rule
| back! (Which was ironic since many of them used to be
| high-ranking Communist leaders.)
|
| After that, the mafia and KGB have completely overtaken
| the dominant heights, including the president office, so
| they strangled non-systemic local corruption. Oil prices
| also helped. The economy was growing. Some time in 2005,
| life in Russia might look genuinely _attractive_ , if you
| happened to live in Moscow. Much like life in Shanghai
| might look fantastic, rich and free in 2005, too,
| compared to the times of the Great Leap.
|
| But the authoritarianism bomb kept ticking.
| yhavr wrote:
| Yes, and empty shelves in the shops, and absence of
| salaries, joblessness. Maybe in the beginning some people
| really believed in the changes, but they quickly got
| disillusioned.
|
| The thing is, under commies people were brainwashed that
| they live in the best country in the world. It wasn't
| some kind of evil dystopia with everybody suffering. Yes,
| they were poor, but they didn't know life outside do
| compare to understand their poverty. The state gave
| everybody the bare minimum to live. The state gave the
| clear direction and meaning of life. Even now there are
| plenty of (older-ish) people who feel nostalgic about
| that times!
|
| edit: I agree that in 00s the situation became better,
| but that's the point, that life in 2005 != 1994.
| mamonster wrote:
| Hope in Russia in the 90s:
|
| -Pay a policeman 250 bucks to bury the guy you killed and make
| up the paperwork
|
| -Oligarchs like Abramovich buying up privatization vouchers
| from poor grandmothers and factory workers who didn't know what
| a stock was and were starving.
|
| -Yeltsin being drunk 24/7 and fucking everything up.
|
| -Any big city being filled with gangs made up of disgruntled
| Afghan/Chechnya veterans.
|
| - The start of the massive HIV epidemic because all the
| healthcare and tracking went to shit (Russia has about 1-2% of
| the population that is HIV positive, which is 4-5x of most
| european countries).Also start of the turbo drug problems in
| Russia.
|
| 99% of the Russian population at the time did not understand
| what free markets/liberalism/democracy meant. Those that
| understood are now the guys you see on Forbes lists and in
| government.
| saiya-jin wrote:
| That's still a failure firmly within russia as a state. That
| its population was so utterly fucked up after 70 years of
| hardcore oppression, lacking any kind of critical thinking,
| self-sufficiency (tell me what to think and who to vote, I
| prefer drinking more vodka) is not a failure of west.
|
| The expectation that west would baby sit every single step
| this naive and messed up country would do is dangerously
| naive, since it wouldn't be possible for numerous reasons.
| Any direct help offered was promptly stolen without trace (we
| talk about billions to prevent bankruptcy of the state, IIRC
| something around 7 billions USD never to be seen again, and
| state went bankrupt of course).
| yhavr wrote:
| Not 70 years, not oppression. Oppressed Ukraine had
| cossacks who even managed to make their own short-lived
| state in the middle ages. Oppressed Baltics joined EU after
| the USSR fell. The problem is, russian nation never had a
| (stable) democracy since the fall of Novgorod (~1500). It
| always quickly turned into an imperial autocracy where the
| russians were the titular nation who receives all the
| benefits.
| [deleted]
| mushbino wrote:
| Hope in Russia in the 90's? That's not what you're saying is
| it? Yeltsin staged a coup with the help of the US, leading to
| the largest drop in life expectancy in recorded history, and a
| never before seen rise in crime, and massive inequality with
| the rise of the oligarchs thanks to the Chicago School
| economists who implemented shock therapy.
| 0xDEF wrote:
| >Yeltsin staged a coup with the help of the US
|
| A blatant lie that keeps getting repeated. Yeltsin hired some
| American campaigners and advertisers because he wanted a loud
| Western-style election campaign. It's funny how Yeltsin
| having American campaign/advertising advisers has been spun
| into claims that the US did a coup in Russia.
| orbital-decay wrote:
| That's a strawman. Those 3 PR clowns and another British
| consultant weren't working for the US government and didn't
| do anything useful for Yeltsin anyway, Filatov basically
| carried the campaign on his own (not without the huge
| amount French/German loan money stolen by Yeltsin and paid
| to the Gusinsky and co). The actual US involvement was in
| lots of the NGO work, openly sold under the guise of the
| fight against the communist reaction, paid with US
| taxpayers money. Which it actually was! No argument against
| that, Zyuganov and the return of communism/nomenklatura
| were genuine threats. The only problem was that people now
| wanted Yeltsin out because he was _even worse_.
|
| Clinton/Gore administration openly aligned themselves with
| Yeltsin/Chernomyrdin, their "friendship" with the autocrat
| was a big and visible thing. They ignored all the red flags
| and helped to create the problem they tried to "fight"
| later, despite of the existence of much more prominent
| politicians who were clean and principled enough (ex.
| Nemtsov, who was hugely popular before that campaign and
| publicly declined to run for the president when he heard
| about Clinton's support for Yeltsin).
|
| Regardless of the extent of the actual involvement (it was
| probably not that strong), it was enough for many in Russia
| to despise them and call it a collusion, which it at least
| partly was - absolutely open and marketed as something
| noble, without any conspiracy. Denying that is silly.
| saiya-jin wrote:
| Everything is a coup,conspiracy or similar if things are
| not to your liking... but yeah dealing with official
| russian news you'll get significantly more truth if you
| simply negate everything they say, lie is official tool and
| all sides understand that.
|
| One thing west didn't properly grok - russia was never your
| friend. Never, ever. There was no period where this was
| true, not even in 90s, not when we talk about people on
| top. Paranoid suspicion and fear of losing power to steal
| and control entire country was too much for those in power.
| Especially since now you could actually steal last bolt and
| nut, unlike during communism where everything was state
| owned by definition and you competed only for power trip
| and some basic benefits on top of what many others had.
| yieldcrv wrote:
| Oligarchs inspire me, its like so many random people in that
| society understood capitalism more than educated economists
| in the West
|
| The accounting gimmicks, the revenue streams, the segregated
| assets, I learn so much replaying what oligarchs did when the
| state had to divest of everything
| wkat4242 wrote:
| Did the US really help Yeltsin? I thought Gorbachev was
| highly praised by the west.
| FreshStart wrote:
| The killing fields of that ideology had ripe harvests..
| Insane that people can still revive all that, while other
| hate crime ideologies stay dead one disproven.
| logdap wrote:
| [dead]
| [deleted]
| stefan_ wrote:
| Who gives a fuck, it secured the freedom of 150M others and
| guess what, they went on to eclipse Russia. Crime, oligarchs,
| Putin - they made their choice.
| kspacewalk2 wrote:
| If shock therapy was actually implemented, we'd see results
| similar to Poland. Instead, the requirements were pushed out
| and Russia became a mafia state.
| pydry wrote:
| 640% inflation and -10% GDP growth?
|
| Yeah, it wasn't far off that.
| davidgerard wrote:
| this is a reblog of https://apnews.com/article/russia-crackdown-
| navalny-court-dm...
| pphysch wrote:
| How realistic would a political prisoner swap of Navalny and/or
| Glukhovsky for Assange be?
| wetpaws wrote:
| [dead]
| DaOne256 wrote:
| Assange sits in a british prison. I think you mean Snowden?!
| pphysch wrote:
| Pardoning Snowden in return for pardoning Glukhovsky would
| make sense, since neither is currently in captivity.
|
| But both Navalny and Assange are actual political prisoners
| in similar situations, so couldn't they be swapped &
| liberated (in exile)? Seems it would benefit the popularity
| of Western leaders.
| londons_explore wrote:
| Snowden is 'worth' far more to the USA than Glukhovsky is
| to Russia.
| mushbino wrote:
| "Freedom of speech". US is no better than Russia.
| mrighele wrote:
| Cases like Assange's or Snowden are famous because they
| are a rare event.
|
| And they are still alive. Had they done the same to
| Russia they would have been poisoned with novichok or
| polonium, or they would have fell from a window, or ...
|
| How many journalists have been killed for criticizing the
| POTUS ? [1][2]
|
| How many for criticizing the war in Afghanistan, or Iraq
| ?
|
| What about human rights advocates ?
|
| Has any doctor been killed for criticizing the federal
| response to Covid-19 ? [3]
|
| The US have their fair share of problem regarding freedom
| of speech, but they are really not at all at the same
| level as Russia.
|
| [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_kil
| led_in_...
|
| [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_kil
| led_in_...
|
| [3] https://www.vox.com/2020/5/6/21248553/coronavirus-
| russia-doc...
| londons_explore wrote:
| Careful - with that kind of attitude you'll end up on a
| no-fly list...
| JohnBooty wrote:
| In what country on earth is divulging classified
| information (ala Snowden) protected under "freedom of
| speech?"
|
| Criticizing a war is not even remotely in the same league
| as divulging classified information.
| [deleted]
| zlg_codes wrote:
| Snowden exposed the twofacedness of America's leadership,
| in a way that can't be easily swept under the rug. He's a
| whistleblower and people appear to care more about his
| revelation of information than the information itself,
| which is damning.
|
| Maybe if America ran a proper ship, things wouldn't get
| released.
| vetinari wrote:
| It is not for criticizing; the first sentence of TFA says
| "accusing Russian soldiers of committing crimes in
| Ukraine." So, libel.
|
| Libel isn't free speech either.
| dralley wrote:
| > It is not for criticizing; the first sentence of TFA
| says "accusing Russian soldiers of committing crimes in
| Ukraine." So, libel.
|
| He shared a video of Russian troops committing crimes, in
| Ukraine. Which they are - both in that video and
| thousands of others besides. Truthful statements are not
| libel.
| pphysch wrote:
| > Truthful statements are not libel.
|
| But they might impact national security.
| dralley wrote:
| In approximately the same sense that reporting about Abu
| Ghraib could be considered to impact American "national
| security", or sharing videos of abuses by Israeli
| soldiers in Gaza could be considered to impact Israeli
| "national security".
| dragonwriter wrote:
| What most countries consider libel _is_ free speech in
| the US, which is why the US standards for libel,
| especially against public figures, is higher than most
| other countries.
|
| Specifically, the First Amendment protection of free
| speech (and the identical rules incorporated against the
| states by the 14th Amedment) are why, among other
| impacts:
|
| (1) In the US, falsity is an element of libel, rather
| than truth being a defense (or, in some foreign
| jurisdictions, not even necessarily being defense
| always.)
|
| (2) In the US, libel against public figures (either in
| general, or limited purpose public figures within the
| scope in which they are public figures), requires the
| plaintiff to prove actual malice on top of the elements
| of libel that apply in other cases.
| mjan22640 wrote:
| It sounds like if the war crimes Glukhovsky criticized
| were classified, you would approve of his sentencing.
| pphysch wrote:
| How so?
| logdap wrote:
| [dead]
| Arch-TK wrote:
| "Glukhovsky was found guilty of posting text and video messages
| on his social media channels accusing Russian soldiers of
| committing crimes in Ukraine."
|
| He literally posted a video of Russian soldiers committing crimes
| in Ukraine. I love the word play here. "Accusing."
|
| "How dare you accuse me of murdering that man by showing everyone
| a video of me murdering that man !? I am taking you to court for
| slander!"
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