[HN Gopher] I'll never be an astronaut
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I'll never be an astronaut
Author : weird_science
Score : 142 points
Date : 2023-08-13 15:16 UTC (7 hours ago)
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| dcassett wrote:
| From the title I expected a humorous reference to the "Potential"
| gag poster (https://despair.com/products/potential), probably
| because the chances of anyone becoming an astronaut are very
| slim.
| [deleted]
| myrloc wrote:
| > The surgeon told me I was too young to have a bioprosthetic
| valve - from a pig or a cow - as these don't last like metal ones
| do, and other surgical options, even though they wouldn't need
| warfarin for ever were not recommended for me, as a relatively
| young patient.
|
| I had my pulmonary valve replaced when I was 13 with a porcine
| (pig) valve. True, they don't last forever, but they can last a
| good two decades before you need to exchange one out. My
| cardiologist, as far as I know, plans to use another one for my
| next surgery.
| Supermancho wrote:
| I have had a synthetic (metal/plastic) aortic heart valve for
| decades. The differences in anatomic valves and the designs do
| matter, day to day. My organic was replaced at 2 with a near-
| experimental synthetic, then at 9 with a Bjork-Shiley design
| (blood thinner from then on) then again at 32 with an Onyx
| design.
|
| My heart is now considered too damaged to get a more modern
| version, even if there was a big improvement (unlikely). The
| flow control and stress testing that has been done on
| synthetics make them far superior to organics, among other
| features like the multi-leaf design that makes blood thinners a
| formality via FDA blanket process rules for synthetic approval.
|
| I'm really surprised that anyone recommends organics for aortas
| or even chooses to have them. To continue the rather opulent
| lifestyles that celebrities/politicians might maintain, there
| may be a narcissistic belief they can stave off the inevitable
| growing handful of pills they need to take every day to soldier
| on. Good luck to each and every one.
| strangattractor wrote:
| It is related to age. If your immune system is on the decline
| as it generally is as we age it doesn't do as much damage to
| the bioprosthetic valves and they last much longer. The
| controversy revolves around just what that age is. When my
| surgery was done I was in that gray zone 59. The first
| surgeon I spoke with was adamant about using the mechanical
| valve. The next surgeon I spoke with was more like I can see
| arguments both ways.
|
| I am fairly active. I chose the bio because I knew I would
| have trouble regulating the thinners. The tissue is
| chemically treated in the newer valves to increase their life
| span (maybe). When I get this valve replaced they can insert
| the new valve within the old using TAVR which doesn't require
| them to open your chest. If my valve last long enough I
| figure they will have new better ones using carbon
| synthetics.[1]
|
| [1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9967268/
| mrtri wrote:
| [dead]
| ramshanker wrote:
| This post is inspiring me to take care of my health better than
| my current life style.
| _sword wrote:
| My father had an undiagnosed bicuspid aortic valve. He collapsed
| while swimming when he was in his early 60's, thankfully in the
| shallow end of the pool. He was pulled out unresponsive by
| lifeguards, brought to a hospital, and thank God woke up. A few
| weeks later and at a better hospital than our local one, he has a
| porcine valve installed. That lasted about 20 years. Thanks to
| his preference to avoid doctors during COVID, a few medical
| issues occurred simultaneously and the worst ended up happening -
| endocarditis, or an infection of the heart around this replaced
| valve. He almost died a second time last year from this, but he
| survived emergency open heart surgery that replaced the valve and
| cut away a section of infected aorta.
|
| Until this year he would always swears that he was the unluckiest
| person. Now he's 82 and still alive after all this and he feels
| lucky.
|
| Go to your doctors regularly, get screened, and don't put off
| procedures until they're an emergency.
| bagacrap wrote:
| I don't understand how the author can praise NHS for providing
| this expensive surgery free of charge, whilst simultaneously
| noting the hundreds/thousands of patients who die while on the
| surgery waiting list.
|
| Not to be morbid, but every time a patient dies before this
| surgery, the NHS saves PS50-100,000. So is it really a successful
| system if the only way to make the budget work is letting folks
| die? Why on earth would the author not be gleefully prepared to
| pump a little bit, or a lot, of his private funds into this
| system in order to improve on his chances of survival?
| pessimizer wrote:
| > the only way to make the budget work is letting folks die?
|
| "The budget" isn't a constant. It's something that politicians
| have control over.
| lostlogin wrote:
| > Not to be morbid, but every time a patient dies before this
| surgery, the NHS saves PS50-100,000.
|
| Your looking at this too narrowly. There is a point when the
| NHS saves money by having patients die - this is true in every
| other health system too. But having a young tax payer die loses
| them money in terms of future tax take. One can do the equation
| and it would be something like healthcare cost versus tax take
| multiplied by years of life left paying tax.
|
| https://www.myhsn.co.uk/top-tip/how-much-does-the-nhs-cost
| crote wrote:
| > So is it really a successful system if the only way to make
| the budget work is letting folks die?
|
| The NHS doesn't get to make that decision. The problem is that
| it has seen _literally_ a decade of budget cuts, despite a
| rapidly aging population. Compared to countries like France and
| Germany, the UK has far fewer doctors and nurses per capita.
|
| The Tories are intentionally trying to make the NHS fail by
| essentially strangling it as they _really_ want to privatize
| it. As the decades before have shown, the NHS can operate
| perfectly well when it is supplied with a proper budget.
| kouru225 wrote:
| The NHS may save that much money, but the US government
| currently estimate the life of the average person to be worth
| $10 million (btw this figure was created in the '80s so keep
| inflation in mind). So how much is the UK losing here? It's a
| net negative to let people die.
| bagacrap wrote:
| I don't know where that number comes from but I'm assuming
| it's a contribution to GDP over a lifetime or something.
| Seems high, but whatever.
|
| The people dying of aortic stenosis have already completed a
| large percent of their lifetime contributions and may even be
| into the net negative territory (when you're retired and
| society has to take care of you).
| kouru225 wrote:
| And how much do you estimate the cost of their early death
| to be? Their children who mourn and become bitter at the
| government and their society for not providing life saving
| surgeries to their parents while the rich preserve their
| fossilized parents... how much money will you advocate we
| should spend on propaganda to manage their vulnerable
| mental state? How much less money do enemies of the state
| need to spend in order to bring those people over to their
| cause and betray your government? And when terrorist
| attacks become worse, how much money will you advocate
| wasting on an increased police state?
|
| If anything, the $10 million + inflation is an
| understatement. There's no end to the potential monetary
| value of increased quality of life, and there's no end to
| the monetary loss of decreased quality of life.
| lostlogin wrote:
| > The people dying of aortic stenosis have already
| completed a large percent of their lifetime contributions
|
| I was sure you'd be wrong here, as congenital stenosis is a
| thing. You were right - shows what you learn working in a
| centre when congenital disease is a specialty.
|
| Average age of death is in 70s.
|
| https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-15316-6
| afterburner wrote:
| Are you advocating for increasing the NHS budget, or replacing
| it with privatized health care?
| NikkiA wrote:
| Probably for privatised health care - once it's down to money
| it's the individual's fault for not being able to afford to
| live and no longer a failing of the system. Thus goes the
| libertarian concept of personal responsibility.
| kouru225 wrote:
| And yet this is a terrible plan because purposely killing
| people is actually terrible for the economy and any money
| saved will be drowned by the amount of money lost,
| especially since the money saved will go directly into the
| pockets of the people who own the privatized healthcare
| companies and not back into the pockets of the people.
| afterburner wrote:
| Libertarians aren't actually that great at looking at the
| big picture.
| bagacrap wrote:
| You guys are tilting at windmills here. I didn't advocate
| for anything except common sense. Unless you value money
| more than lives, this system is clearly shite, but the
| author doesn't acknowledge that, probably due to
| politics.
|
| The budget is part of the system. If you assume unlimited
| resources, then every system will work flawlessly.
| kouru225 wrote:
| It's only common sense to present the pros and cons of
| policy. You don't seem to even think it's worth your time
| to take an actual stab at estimating the cost of death,
| and so it's only common sense to think you haven't
| thought your way through this at all. You're still
| arguing this is a budgetary concern without acknowledging
| the fact that your policy may actually result in a worse
| budgetary concern.
|
| You know what's also common sense? That death isn't a
| good thing. More death = worse society. Bad society = no
| money.
| afterburner wrote:
| You still haven't answered whether you're advocating for
| improving or starving the NHS. Although if you're intent
| on shitting on the NHS as if it's _intrinsically_ bad
| (regardless of budget), I would strongly suspect you are
| advocating for more private health care, and vote
| conservative.
|
| Feel free to elaborate on what your common sense dictates
| as a solution.
| ColinWright wrote:
| They don't, you have mis-read the section:
|
| > _If hip, hernia and cataract waiting lists had a similar
| mortality rate then tens of thousands would die before they got
| their op._
|
| For these other types of operations there can be very long
| waiting lists, but these are not conditions from which people
| die suddenly without warning.
|
| The NHS has its problems, but I, for one, am glad that if I get
| a life-threatening condition I will be treated according to my
| need without having to bankrupt myself in the process.
| Additionally, I'm glad the insurance companies don't drive the
| pricing of quite cost effective drugs and treatments until they
| are out of range of the uninsured, even though they could
| easily be priced affordably.
| adastra22 wrote:
| He gave sufficient numbers to do the math on how many people
| die while waiting for their turn. It is thousands in this
| case.
|
| Regarding the NHS you are falling victim to the binary choice
| fallacy. It is not a strict choice between NHS's model and
| the American hyper privatized healthcare. Where I'm writing
| this, Taiwan, there is a first-class healthcare system that
| has national single-payer insurance for all residents (only
| $27/mo!!), and generally no waiting list and patients can
| normally see any specialist they wish with walk-in
| appointments during usual working hours.
|
| You can have your cake and eat it too.
| arrowsmith wrote:
| > It is not a strict choice between NHS's model and the
| American hyper privatized healthcare.
|
| You'd be amazed by how few people in the UK understand
| this.
| lostlogin wrote:
| Same goes for the US.
| sneak wrote:
| Also, almost anyone who wishes can, at any time, fly to a
| country that has affordable and efficient healthcare and be
| a customer.
|
| I have friends (Americans) who have had procedures recently
| in South Korea, Turkiye, and Germany. Sometimes it's just
| easier and faster, and isn't that expensive even if you
| don't use insurance.
| tenpies wrote:
| I'm honestly surprised there is not an entire class of
| insurance programs for people who happen to live in a
| jurisdiction that has basically said "we would rather you
| die on a wait list than allow private healthcare" (e.g.
| British Columbia in Canada[1]). That insurance would
| cover healthcare abroad, maybe constrained to certain
| geographies and conditions. Unlike travel insurance it
| would assume that your care abroad is necessary due to a
| lack of services in your home jurisdiction.
|
| Perhaps the actuarial data is hard to collect, but I
| suspect it would be a booming business as most countries
| with socialised system seem to be heading towards a total
| decline, if not outright collapse.
|
| ---
|
| [1] https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/b-c-upholds-ban-
| on-priv...
| adastra22 wrote:
| That's why I'm in Taiwan right now :)
| strangattractor wrote:
| I had the same surgery done in the good old US of A and I
| only had to wait 3 months to schedule surgery in the SF Bay
| area. How bout that for service;) Knocking the NHS is getting
| really tiresome. The US with it's private insurance is
| already making people wait and also not providing optimal
| outcomes while still being overly expensive. The fact is
| either system can work - but we as a society have not
| prioritized the necessary training in volume to make these
| highly technical jobs available at scale.
|
| [1] 28K new doctors are minted in the US each year. [2]
| Predicted shortfall of doctors up 124K by 2034
|
| [1] https://www.google.com/search?q=how+many+doctors+graduate
| +ea...
|
| [2] https://www.aamc.org/news/aging-patients-and-doctors-
| drive-n...
| tux3 wrote:
| The only way to make the budget work, for all of medicine
| worldwide, is to let people die (!)
|
| There's a marginal dollar cost on saving one extra life, versus
| not saving it. It's not that we're out of people to save, it's
| just not in the budget to save the next one. The one more.
|
| You can contribute using generosity.
| crote wrote:
| It's not that simple, though. You can't set a budget and let
| everyone die once you reach your limit.
|
| Healthcare often uses "quality-adjusted life years", where
| the value of a medical intervention is judged by the amount
| and quality of the life years gained by doing the
| intervention. Once you set a value on a life year, it becomes
| a simple calculation whether the treatment is worth it. $5000
| operation to save a newborn baby? Obviously worth it. $10M so
| a 90-year-old can live three more months? Yeah, not going to
| happen.
|
| The best part is that you can apply a similar principle to
| _other_ things. For example, at a certain point you gain more
| quality-adjusted life year per $ if you spend it on non-
| healthcare things, such as safer roads, better education,
| preventing homelessness, and fighting crime.
| tux3 wrote:
| I agree it's not that simple, and finding better
| interventions in term of quality-adjusted life years seems
| really good!
|
| I'm not sure though how much elasticity there is in
| people's willingness to contribute more in response to more
| effective medical interventions. Setting a value on a life-
| year makes sense when choosing intervention, but
| individuals looking at their taxes or charitable
| contributions don't have a step-change reaction where
| they're happy to give without limits to the $X QALY
| opportunity until it becomes $X+1
|
| I do think you have that budget in a very real sense, and
| I'm not sure I know exactly how sensitive it is to the
| effectiveness of the interventions, especially as you
| expand out. I'd argue that the current price of a life year
| still seems relatively cheap, but the healthcare system
| does not often complain from being inundated with too much
| funding.
| voakbasda wrote:
| No one wants to believe this. But it is absolutely true:
| there is no healthcare system that can save everyone forever.
|
| The growing assortment of treatments to combat issues that
| arise naturally through aging gave rise to the expectation
| that we can live longer. Technically, that's true, but the
| collective cost of care starts to go exponential. At some
| point, we must acknowledge that we will go bankrupt trying to
| save everyone.
|
| I wish there was a way for people to check out before they
| become such a burden on society. Until then, we had better
| make peace with the reality that "death panels" are choosing
| for us, because we as a civilization can't afford for
| everyone to live their longest possible life.
| ChoHag wrote:
| [dead]
| MattRix wrote:
| I see no logical reason for this to be true, certainly not
| in any absolute sense.
| [deleted]
| golem14 wrote:
| Don't love all the negative attitude about the NHS in the
| comments. Yes, could be better. Still, amazing progress over
| time. This un-constructive pessimism really doesn't serve much
| purpose IMO.
|
| Heartfelt (no pun intended) get-well wishes to the author. May he
| be able to send many more excellent write-ups.
| [deleted]
| dmbche wrote:
| Riveting writing. I have a family member who collapsed from
| sudden cardiac failure, from a non diagnosed heart syndrome she
| had since birth - she luckily was at the hospital when it
| happened.
|
| This and aneurysms make me value the small things in life - you
| could fall down and die any minute.
|
| I hope the sound of the valve will fade away!
| shadowofneptune wrote:
| Got diagnosed this year with mitral valve prolapse. It won't be
| an issue medically for some time, but it is definitely sobering
| to feel the heart beating so strongly.
| ChrisMarshallNY wrote:
| I think an aortic aneurysm is what took out John Ritter.
|
| He was in terrific shape, and just dropped dead.
|
| I know someone else that was also in great shape (AT through-
| hiker), and died of a brain aneurysm. They found him dead in
| his RV, in Vermont.
|
| We all have today, and right now, is the only guarantee.
|
| I also know folks that have _very_ bad quality of life, yet
| somehow, manage to have a great attitude.
| ghufran_syed wrote:
| I think strictly speaking it was an aortic dissection that
| killed John Ritter, not an aneurysm. Aneurysms grow slowly,
| and like a balloon, the wall thickness goes down as the
| vessel circumference increases. So then it can suddenly leak.
| The aneurysm is chronic (though often asymptomatic), the leak
| is usually sudden and catastrophic. An aortic dissection is a
| sudden tear in a usually non-aneurysmal aorta, if the leak
| goes all the way through it's usually immediately lethal, but
| often the pressure of blood "dissects" (separates) the inner
| and outer walls of the aorta, leading to all sorts of weird
| symptoms, which is why it is often misdiagnosed (A vascular
| surgeon was once reported to have said about aortic
| dissection that the "the standard of care is to miss the
| diagnosis", because it so often mimics other conditions, both
| benign and dangerous. )
| somenameforme wrote:
| Grant Imahara from Mythbusters is another one. 49 and in
| ostensibly great health, taken out by an aneurism. Life is
| short, at best, but for many of us it will fall shorter even
| still.
| klipt wrote:
| Ultimately we're all made of meat, and sometimes the meat
| goes bad.
| bhickey wrote:
| > If you're standing outside a cardiothoracic operating theatre,
| you have a better chance than the majority who will be miles away
| living their lives.
|
| Most of the time you don't, but sometimes you get lucky. When
| Neil Clarke had his "widowmaker" heart attack he was at a
| conference down the street from a hospital[0]. In another case,
| an new father suffered an aortic dissection walking in the front
| door of Brigham and Women's Hospital[1].
|
| [0] http://neil-clarke.com/the-day-it-nearly-ended/ [1]
| https://bwhpublicationsarchives.org/DisplayBulletin.aspx?art...
| js2 wrote:
| A previous boss of mine had a heart attack while finishing a 5K
| turkey trot. He happened to be nearby multiple emergency and
| medical personal who started administering CPR immediately. He
| survived and still runs.
|
| https://archive.ph/Yc4gU
|
| Bob Odenkirk was also very lucky that through a set of unusual
| circumstances, there was an AED available when he had a heart
| attack on set:
|
| > Rosa Estrada -- we were very lucky that this woman was nearby
| because she knew how to do CPR properly, and she had the AED
| [defibrillator] in her car, and she only had it in her car
| because she was returning it to somebody who she borrowed [it
| from]. It was a total crazy coincidence that she had put it in
| her car, and I guess she'd had tried to return it, but the
| friend wasn't home. Otherwise she wouldn't have had it either.
| And so it's only because of that circumstance that it was in
| the trunk of her car. And I'm sure that helped me immensely. I
| mean, the CPR is number one, but the fact is, I didn't get a
| heart rate for 18 minutes after this started, and that's a long
| time.
|
| https://www.npr.org/2022/07/25/1112731181/better-call-saul-b...
| pcardoso wrote:
| My oldest son was born with a similar condition. First murmurs at
| birth, then aortic stenosis diagnosis at 1 month, severity still
| unknown due to the heart immaturity, and the urgent operation at
| 2 months old to try fix it. A balloon was inserted into his
| aortic valve by a catheter from his groin and expanded to dilate
| the valve. It was a terrifying experience, but one that worked
| great for us. He may have to have a replacement one day, but for
| now he is healthy and off any medication. We have yearly
| checkups.
|
| I am told replacement surgeries can be done via catheter, sparing
| the much larger risk in have the chest cracked open.
|
| A huge thank you to SNS, the portuguese NHS. All this was done
| free of charges. It gets a bad rep from some things that don't
| work well, but I only have good things to say.
|
| A year later I was preparing our 1 year old party and had a call
| from a friend which had a baby born with a much severe heart
| condition. He didn't survive the required operation and I really
| felt for him. It messed me up. We had been in the same spot but I
| had been very lucky. Still am.
| pbj1968 wrote:
| Runs in my wife's family. Most of them refuse to get scanned. The
| taint of "pre-existing conditions" haunts many, and there's
| really not much to be done about it. I just carry a lot of life
| insurance on her and we live our lives.
|
| Meanwhile, I'm a land whale that's been CT scanned and been told
| by a frequent NYT contributing cardiologist "I have no
| explanation for how a man your size has such a healthy heart."
|
| Genetics, yo.
| sneak wrote:
| This person's adoration of the NHS, the mismanagement of which is
| possibly actively killing them, is somewhat amazing.
|
| That said, there are great cardiac surgery hospitals on the
| continent that take private payers. He could get patched up near
| immediately for a small fraction of the price cited in the
| article.
|
| I was going to write him specific information but his "contact"
| page doesn't have an email address.
| [deleted]
| slamonjam wrote:
| What a great write up. Hope that Shaun will have his surgery
| soon.
|
| I underwent mitral valve surgery this summer due to mitral
| insufficiency. Fortunately the surgeon was able to repair my
| heart valve using a Physioring. This means that I will not need
| life long warfarin treatment, only 3 months post surgery (which
| is soon up).
|
| When I woke up after the surgery my first thought was "I can no
| longer feel my heart beat". Before due to the insufficiency my
| heart worked hard and I could mostly feel every heart beat even
| at rest.
|
| Now that its been a few months I'm feeling so much better than
| before the surgery - like I've been given my life and a future
| back.
|
| Without the surgery I would have developed heart failure and died
| in a few years time. Now I have good odds at making it to
| retirement age and hopefully even more. Certainly a humbling
| thought.
| strangattractor wrote:
| If you read this Shaun - you will eventually feel better than
| before the surgery!
| xwdv wrote:
| Personally I'd rather be a scientist doing a stint in Antarctica
| than be any kind of astronaut, although I know there is no use
| for a software engineer over there.
| ChrisMarshallNY wrote:
| I think this person is in IT: https://brr.fyi
|
| May not be a software engineer, but they have an interesting
| job.
| dysoco wrote:
| There are computers and electronics systems in Antartica, so
| they obviously need technicians/engineers to maintain those, I
| know someone who has been there for some months doing that.
| It's not software development but you might apply if you know
| some sysadmin/technician things.
| Eddygandr wrote:
| The Cambridge based British Antarctic Survey group hire
| sysadmins which don't look particular senior however the pay
| _sucks_ which could be an issue for those with mortgages etc.
| PS25k or something if I remember correctly.
| rsynnott wrote:
| 25k?! That's only slightly above minimum wage, isn't it?
| That has to be the worst-paid sysadmin job in the UK,
| surely.
| Eddygandr wrote:
| My first tech job at 19 was sysadmin in Exeter for PS13k
| lol, as a first line technician. Pretty sure the only
| reason I got that job was I didn't care about salaries so
| just said what I was earning at an electronics store.
|
| PS25k is definitely low though.
| Spooky23 wrote:
| Universities always pay the professional-ish help poorly.
|
| You want to be a janitor or a deputy Vice Provost or
| something to work at a college.
| eternityforest wrote:
| The most I've ever made in my life was $28k. I'd probably
| be perfectly happy with 25k to be honest, at least until
| real self driving cars exist, that's pretty much the one
| expensive luxury thing I want besides a few vacations.
| xwdv wrote:
| Your priorities are messed up. A self driving car for
| what, so you don't have to drive back and forth between
| your $25k job?
| Eddygandr wrote:
| > Your priorities are messed up.
|
| They could be from a country with a lost CoL so $28k is a
| huge deal, they could be living the life they want doing
| a job they love, etc... Just so happens some future tech
| is interesting enough that they wish they could afford
| that too. Not everyone is in tech for the FAANG bucks!
|
| Although if GP wishes they could earn more I assume any
| account holder on HN is technical enough to find a remote
| job paying more than that if they wanted.
| dysoco wrote:
| Well yeah, it's a government job so it's probably going to
| suck money-wise; the guy I know ended up losing money I
| believe because he had to buy a lot of snow clothes and
| paid travel expenses on his own account.
|
| Moreover, I believe he had a really bad time there because
| the population in the base was mostly military and they
| treated him like shit in the most military bootcamp style
| with physical aggressions and such. So, he ended up not
| completing the whole term. (This probably will depend on
| the country of course).
| Eddygandr wrote:
| It's a research institute so I don't think it's directly
| a government role, more like a university. I see adverts
| at Oxford University for sysadmins at around PS45-65k so
| it's on the low side for what I consider comparable jobs,
| but my thinking might be flawed
| robertlagrant wrote:
| It's pretty bad considering Oxford prices.
|
| (Source: I am an Oxford resident.)
| Eddygandr wrote:
| Agreed, although most companies in Oxford never really
| matched living costs either (well, housing costs) -
| Oxford Uni pay staff comparably to other companies in the
| area (like Elsevier or Oxford Computer Consultants). Let
| alone the low salaries in academia there...
| rcpt wrote:
| I feel like astronaut is only a good idea if you really enjoy
| long airplane rides.
| syntaxing wrote:
| This person's blog pops up every once in a while in HN but
| might be a good inspiration [1].
|
| [1] https://brr.fyi/
| jacoblambda wrote:
| It depends what you do.
|
| If you do embedded software/embedded hardware
| (microcontrollers, FPGA, kernel dev kinda stuff), you'd
| probably have a spot with the experiment operators. Maintaining
| the experiments generally requires a decent bit of low level
| software and hardware experience even if you aren't necessarily
| sitting down and coding every day.
|
| And if you are good with interpreting/processing data you may
| also still be able to land a seat with the experiment operators
| since they do that as well.
|
| Or if you have Ops/DevOps, SysAdmin, or DB Admin experience,
| you likely could secure a slot in IT.
|
| You likely wouldn't get the job the first time around but if
| you keep submitting applications, eventually you are likely to
| secure a job down on the ice.
| eichin wrote:
| https://icecube.wisc.edu/jobs/ doesn't have anything right now
| but they used to have a bunch of sysadmin/sre positions ("do
| you know ethernet cabling _and_ python " kind of thing - they
| used to recruit at pycon US.) So there are definitely
| opportunities...
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