[HN Gopher] Cognitive AI for ADHD
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Cognitive AI for ADHD
Author : jasoncurry
Score : 74 points
Date : 2023-08-03 19:30 UTC (3 hours ago)
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| thereisnojesus wrote:
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| dwb wrote:
| That looks great but there is exactly zero chance I would run
| this on a computer I didn't own, in my apartment. Call me
| paranoid, but that's just how I feel right now.
| LesZedCB wrote:
| with llama.cpp it's easier than ever too. i have used these
| models even just to vent about stuff or to rubber duck. it's
| pretty helpful, but i'm right there with you, local or nothing.
| Racing0461 wrote:
| What backend model does it use? (chatgpt or something local).
| qrio2 wrote:
| I will give this a shot. So far it seems like a planning app that
| includes tasks that i _think of_. I need something that alerts me
| of calendar events or upcoming things so that I don 't forget
| about them. The app tells me it can set reminders and notify me
| but I don't think that is true from what i can see here.
| tcmb wrote:
| Can't your regular calendar already remind you of scheduled
| events? That particular function doesn't seem like it needs an
| AI.
| gtowey wrote:
| Google calendar is actually terrible for people with focus
| problems. Or at least I haven't found a good way to manage
| its alerts in a helpful way.
|
| For one, basically all alerts are the same. Meaning there's
| no good way to make noisy alerts for critical events and
| quiet ones for mundane things. You can set multiple alerts
| for an event, like 1 week before, 1 day before, etc. But it's
| manual every time.
|
| Something more like PagerDuty style alerts that let you set
| up classes of alert patterns would help. Alerts that blow up
| your phone until you get them would help. It's so easy to
| have the calendar alerts go completely unnoticed with just a
| chime if your phone is in your pocket or in another room or
| if your alert volumes don't happen to be perfect, which is
| pretty much impossible since background noise levels change
| throughout the day.
|
| Even such minor things, like when you snooze an alert and you
| can configure it to notify X minutes before the event, if you
| select 0 minutes it _still_ alerts the minute before the
| event which is enough time for me to get distracted again.
|
| No, it's one of my biggest disappointments of technology
| today is that such basic tools are so poor at their job and
| lack such straightforward configuration controls. The tools
| are made to work for Google, not for you.
|
| So of course people are going to points loads of third party
| add ons, and hacks to get calendar to be marginally more
| useful, but WHY should we need to jump through hoops to make
| our devices serve some actual useful purpose for us?
| thewataccount wrote:
| From my experience with ADHD - calenders are excruciatingly
| hard to use consistently. Either it "takes too much time" or
| I completely forget I was trying to use a calender.
|
| Having a tool that can automatically add items from
| infodumps/todolists would be useful.
|
| I don't udnerstand the chrome extension part though.
| lacrimacida wrote:
| Keep an notepad file open; only when you remeber add stuff
| to it. At some point it will become a hardened habit and
| honestly much better than some AI crutch. There are better
| uses for AI in my opinion..
| thewataccount wrote:
| I have many files and many pages of an actual notebook.
| For the most part dates are near useless because I rarely
| refer back to todo-lists. I've tried todo lists but they
| just end up being a pile of todo items I never look at,
| get around to, remember what they're for, or don't have
| time/priority to do it.
|
| Obsidian helps a lot for actual notes. That's the only
| thing keeping me remotely organized.
|
| > At some point it will become a hardened habit and
| honestly much better than some AI crutch. There are
| better uses for AI in my opinion..
|
| That's very true, what I would love to see is have it
| intelligently pull todo items from my obsidian notes. I'm
| personally not a fan of using AI for anything if it's not
| local though, especially with access to all of my notes.
| viraptor wrote:
| > Keep an notepad file open; only when you remeber add
| stuff to it.
|
| "Keep using X, remember to interact with it" is exactly
| the problems people struggle with in the first place.
| This is not an actionable advice on its own.
| klausa wrote:
| > At some point it will become a hardened habit and
| honestly much better than some AI crutch.
|
| One of the symptoms of ADHD is borderline impossibility
| of forming habits, in the way that neurotypical people
| think about them.
| lampshades wrote:
| [flagged]
| RankingMember wrote:
| The vast majority of startups will fail, but this isn't super-
| constructive feedback- you're essentially saying "I think this
| sucks"
| ThinkBeat wrote:
| As a person with ADHD I hate these fancy high tech super slick
| promo products / sites. They all appear to made by people who are
| do not have ADHD (might be wrong) but they figure they know what
| such people need. And that is yet another calendar / task list
| with some spices. they can use to go after grants / stipends etc.
|
| Aside from a privacy nightmare. Yeah I am giving a presentation
| to the board about this new confidential product and i dont know
| how to structure it
|
| > Tell me all about this new product and how it will work. > Can
| you tell me the name of the company and its stock ticker?
|
| They dont even say what the price is. Or how they monetize it. Or
| the source code Or ...
|
| I think the best way to help is to fund basic research,
| kalupa wrote:
| "all you need to do is focus" is what I read when I see an
| "ADHD help" tool/article/lifestyle/pleasegiveusmoneyscheme
| about 90% of the time.
|
| not just that it's made by people that don't have adhd, but
| people that haven't even read the modern science literature on
| the treatment and condition itself.
|
| it's frustrating!
| pmarreck wrote:
| Looks great, is there a Firefox version?
| tcmb wrote:
| Can you explain how this is specialized for the needs of people
| with ADHD? How does it differ from a "general purpose" AI bot
| like ChatGPT? To me it looks like a spin for marketing.
| kojiromike wrote:
| While I empathize that companies have to choose a release pathway
| that limits cost, I will not be a customer of a product whose
| release pathway is just a Chrome plugin. From where I'm sitting,
| that's less cost limiting and more customer limiting.
| burnte wrote:
| I'm in the middle of some AI startup telling me my clinicians
| don't need to do their own notes anymore if I pay $1000 a month
| for a Chrome plugin that records the session and runs it
| through some unnamed, unknown, undetailed LLM they run in
| Google Cloud, and they're acting like I'm stupid for having
| issues with it.
| notjoshjames wrote:
| A project of mine is evaluating Rev AI for HIPAA-compliant
| transcription for case notes.
|
| https://www.rev.com/blog/rev-spotlight/announcing-rev-ai-
| hip...
| burnte wrote:
| This isn't just transcription, it's also summarizing the
| entire 30/60 minute visit. Well, supposedly. I just have a
| hard time seeing how this small company is so far ahead of
| everyone else, while being able to run on Google Cloud and
| AWS.
| neteresy wrote:
| It's totally unacceptable. These people are clearly only
| interested in making profits, and I would like to believe
| that they will hardly make any. I want to take them down!
| ianbutler wrote:
| I tried that idea back in 2015/2016 and physicians were just
| as skeptical then, with good reason mind you.
| burnte wrote:
| I WISH my clinicians were skeptical. One thinks it's
| perfect and is trying to overrule IT's reservations about
| the system.
| neteresy wrote:
| Who could think that making you open the browser is a good idea
| to help people concentrate. They took the "release as soon as
| possible too seriously". A Mental Health App has to be created
| responsibly. This is unacceptable. It's Buggy and has GPT-3.5, We
| don't need a dumb assistant that causes more confusion. It
| started telling me that I have a meeting I don't, and a couple of
| other hallucinations. Made me lose time, and now I am angry! I
| will go back to "h.m.m" (a CLI mind map). If you don't have the
| money or talent to make the previous experiments properly before
| releasing, at least don't advertise it claiming that you help
| people who suffer from something.
| btilly wrote:
| I have moderately severe ADHD, and have good reasons to not use
| medication.
|
| My first response to this is that it solves problems that I don't
| have, and ignores the ones I do have.
|
| Organizing my day on paper is trivial. I'm also married to
| someone with a good partnership, and we offload different types
| of tasks to each other. She might enjoy having software
| assistants to be more productive, but I don't need that. I have
| her.
|
| The trick for me is that it is important that my life be
| organized around engaging with things that I want to do. And
| thereby having my wants reinforce executive control so that I can
| do what I think that I should. This involves a lot of managing of
| my emotional state, and a lot of REJECTING of outside demands by
| the world that I conform to how the world wants me to be. I see
| nothing about this app that helps me do either thing.
|
| Yes, yes, I know the idea of eliminating distractions so that I
| can focus. Honestly, that's crap that leads to disasters every
| time I try it. If I have positive motivations to do X,
| distractions are easy to set aside. If motivations are negative,
| I will be unable to resist creating distractions. And a
| straightjacket that prevents that leads to insanity.
|
| Which returns me to my point. The key, for me, in handling ADHD
| is emotional tools to find positive motivations, and social tools
| to resist the world attempting to load me with tasks through
| negative motivations.
| simplemts wrote:
| You nailed it on the end for me as an Adult with ADHD diagnosed
| in my 30s.
|
| Motivation has been my biggest A-Ha with ADHD and trying my
| absolute best to align what I do with what I want to do
| otherwise I am setting myself up for failure and others for
| disappointment with me.
| acchow wrote:
| Learning to create motivation is the ultimate hack for
| insufficient executive function.
|
| People tend to think of motivation as some innate property of
| your person. But it's actually an emotional response to
| inputs.
| worstname wrote:
| This hits the nail on the head for me and why productivity apps
| usually aren't worth much.
|
| > This involves a lot of managing of my emotional state, and a
| lot of REJECTING of outside demands by the world that I conform
| to how the world wants me to be.
|
| A hallmark of ADHD is emotional dysregulation and impulsivity,
| so what exactly does rejecting "outside demands" look like? How
| exactly are you managing emotional state if not with
| medication? Ironically the only way I've managed my emotional
| state off medication is by conforming to outside demands and
| ignoring my individual desires/motivations as much as possible.
| btilly wrote:
| An example of rejecting outside demands is seeking out work
| environments where I can cooperatively seek out tasks, rather
| than having someone try to order me to do what they want me
| to do. If I encounter someone who wants to order me around,
| I'll ignore if possible. And if not possible, I'll change
| jobs before complying.
|
| Trying to do things because someone is pushing me to do them
| will result in my becoming resentful, and losing my ability
| to get into an effective state of flow. But enough places in
| tech provide enough flexibility that I've been able to find
| places where I can be productive. And, in a virtuous cycle,
| productivity can make all sorts of oddities acceptable in an
| employee.
|
| As for emotional dysregulation, let me address that. ADHD is
| caused by weak executive function. People with ADHD are slow
| to realize that we SHOULD do X, and the SHOULD is fairly
| weak. Therefore it becomes hard to resist emotions telling us
| we want to do Y instead.
|
| I have two tools to address that.
|
| The first is that at a purely emotional level, I strive to be
| fairly balanced. I work to address things that cause me
| negative emotions, like resentment, so that I don't have
| negative emotions to fight against.
|
| The second is that I attach my "shoulds" to my understanding
| of what I actually want and care about. As a result the idea
| "I should X" is reinforced by a DESIRE to do X. And this
| emotional reinforcement makes it easy to do it.
|
| Ironically, it is always easier to motivate myself in the
| short term with negative emotions. But the effect of doing so
| is a breakdown of the positive feedback loop that I'm using
| to maintain myself. Thus forcing myself only works for a
| limited time, and then falls apart. And so that short-term
| solution is toxic for me. I suspect that it is toxic for most
| people - but my ADHD makes it harder to deal with for me.
|
| That said, everything that I do for me involves doing the
| opposite of what society pushes me towards. This makes for an
| interesting balancing act.
| mrcncpt wrote:
| I've never heard this take before but it makes a lot of sense.
| Do you mind clarifying the kind of emotional tools you refer
| to?
| btilly wrote:
| Mostly a lot of mind-body stuff to develop self-awareness,
| and adjusting my life, routines, and priorities to fit the
| needs that I find are not being met.
|
| I can ramble on for ages about it. But it is also a highly
| personal journey - what works for me won't for the next
| person and vice versa. However KNOWING that it is important
| is huge.
| thereisnojesus wrote:
| [dead]
| ryanklee wrote:
| I'm hesitant to make any assumptions about your decision to not
| medicate, but if it has anything to do with addictive
| properties, you should look into guanfacine. I have very severe
| ADHD and was unable to use the common medications for the
| reason listed. This last year I stumbled upon guanfacine, which
| is usually a blood pressure reduction med, but is prescribed
| off-label as an ADHD med. It has no noticeable effects other
| than having basically been a miracle for me in its reduction of
| my ADHD symptoms. No addictive properties. YMMV but it changed
| my life after 41 years of struggling with ADHD.
| btilly wrote:
| I have not tried guanfacine.
|
| My problems are loss of appetite, trouble sleeping (leading
| to sleep deprivation that itself causes loss of executive
| control), and irritability. This is in addition to the fact
| that I have high blood pressure, and would rather not have to
| increase the cocktail of medications that I'm taking for
| that.
| gochi wrote:
| You might already be taking it if you have high blood
| pressure, potentially under a branded name. One of the
| things it's used for is high blood pressure, and due to not
| being a stimulant and also not being FDA approved for ADHD
| adults specifically (only children for now), doctors are
| far more likely to prescribe it under the high blood
| pressure umbrella for adults.
|
| Believe one of the brands is called Intuniv.
| btilly wrote:
| It isn't in my current list, but I saw that. And find
| this fact interesting. If it can potentially replace
| another medication, that would be nice.]
|
| It certainly seems better for me than a stimulant.
| beardedmoose wrote:
| I was previously on Guanfacine in combination with Adderall
| for my blood pressure so I don't have experience taking it
| solely. I did learn I cannot take stimulants at all, it takes
| my anxiety to 1000 and makes me a complete a-hole around my
| house which helps nobody.
|
| Can you elaborate which ADHD symptoms it has helped the most?
| I'm currently not taking any meds but I can't focus or
| concentrate to save my life which makes a demanding IT job
| difficult at times.
| copperx wrote:
| As someone in the spectrum with Demand Avoidance, guanfacine
| has been a godsend. It's cheap, not controlled, and for me,
| it works better than any stimulant in regulating my
| attention.
| Aurornis wrote:
| > but is prescribed off-label as an ADHD med
|
| Guanfacine is approved to treat ADHD in the United States and
| several other countries.
|
| Technically, extended-release Guanfacine is approved because
| that's what was used in the trials. The brand name is Intuniv
| and the generic is Guanfacine ER.
|
| The generic guanfacine (non-ER) can also be used, though
| technically off label. The only difference is that it must be
| dosed twice a day instead of once a day and the absorption is
| different so you can't do a 1:1 translation of your dose to
| the ER.
|
| Now that Guanfacine ER is generic and cheap, you might want
| to consider it for once daily dosing.
|
| The non-stimulant medications are very good, but require some
| patience to get started with. Too many people give up in the
| first week or month because the side effects haven't settled
| yet. Straterra (Atomoxetine) is another one that can take 1-2
| months for good efficacy. Clinical trials show the positive
| effects continue to build over the course of a year.
| Surprisingly, Atomoxetine has a lower relapse rate after
| discontinuation too, suggesting it might be making some long-
| term positive changes to the brain. This is a nice contrast
| to stimulants, where the patient becomes essentially
| dependent on the medication and can go through a protracted
| rebound if they ever have to discontinue.
| claviola wrote:
| > If I have positive motivations to do X, distractions are easy
| to set aside. If motivations are negative, I will be unable to
| resist creating distractions. And a straightjacket that
| prevents that leads to insanity.
|
| How do you deal with chores?
| btilly wrote:
| First, a direct positive emotion - I'm aware of how much my
| doing routine chores helps my wife and family. And it is a
| trade, I'd much rather do the chores than the routine
| paperwork that my wife does instead!
|
| Second, I use doing routine chores as meditation and thinking
| time. It does lead to doing the chore less efficiently - I
| might break off loading the dishwasher to pace, think, and
| jot down a note. But it is also personally productive time
| for me.
| beardedmoose wrote:
| These are really good tips which have an added benefit
| mentally with the positivity you are bringing to your own
| headspace.
|
| I think meditation is overlooked in favor of medications as
| a valid aid in folks with executive function disorders.
|
| I personally just listen to music with noise cancelling
| headphones while doing chores. It also helped that I took
| the time to explain to my family that I am not trying to
| ignore them but sometimes I need to unwind after a mentally
| taxing day at work with some distraction free cleaning.
| pmarreck wrote:
| > but I don't need that. I have her.
|
| Yeah, about that. I fell into the same trap. Now I have someone
| who thinks her relative superpower makes her more mature and me
| more infantile even though she grew up dyslexic and still
| cannot distinguish to/too/two (and even though my income, while
| more highly variable than hers, is also far, far greater).
| Apparently it's fairly common for this to very negatively
| affect relationships. How in the heck did you manage that??
| (assuming you did)
| brianjking wrote:
| I'd love to hear how you get around not taking medication and
| if you're comfortable sharing why you choose not to.
| btilly wrote:
| See my other answers for more on that.
|
| I will say that it isn't easy. But the flexibility that can
| come with being a programmer really helps.
| tivert wrote:
| > My first response to this is that it solves problems that I
| don't have, and ignores the ones I do have.
|
| That's the hallmark of applying technology for technology's
| sake, which is a lot of what engineers and tech entrepreneurs
| do nowadays. Especially for technologies that are getting a lot
| of hype. AI is blockchain all over again, a lot of "let me try
| to shoehorn this sexy tech where it doesn't really belong."
| ilc wrote:
| In reading your replies.. you've got it straight, from another
| long time ADHDer.
|
| Tools are useful in as much as they help you control your
| attention.
|
| The only ones I've found truly useful are ER4SRs. (In ear
| monitors, -35DB to the environment. I listen to music while I
| work, at ~70DB. If you do the math about the only thing I can
| hear is a fire alarm... and that's about right. :) )
| MisterTea wrote:
| Do you have any comorbidities with ADHD? My issue is moderate
| ADHD with severe anxiety. Wonderful combo.
| btilly wrote:
| My son has anxiety. That's no fun. I'm glad I don't have
| that.
|
| I'm sure a psychologist could load me down with some list of
| diagnoses if I was particularly curious. I haven't been
| curious, and I'm rather skeptical about the current state of
| psychology.
| whoomp12342 wrote:
| I almost installed this, but then I decided to cut the grass, and
| then I played with legos, and then I did some jumping jacks.
| lyapunova wrote:
| This is hilarious. If only I had some kind of app to help me
| focus long enough to download this app.
| euroderf wrote:
| I advise you to get a trampoline and a biofueled jetpack.
| jasoncurry wrote:
| Hi, we just started building a few weeks ago but have about 700
| beta users. We are building the most effective specialized AI for
| ADHD. We're in private beta but feel free to see our site that
| links to our Chrome extension and try it out if it sounds like
| something you need.
| digdugdirk wrote:
| I mean... It sounds like a cool idea, but could you explain
| what it is and how it works? The website is remarkably sparse,
| on mobile at least.
| tivert wrote:
| > Hi, we just started building a few weeks ago but have about
| 700 beta users. We are building the most effective specialized
| AI for ADHD.
|
| I'm sorry, but that statement just irks me. If you're only a
| few _weeks_ into development, how can you honestly say what you
| 're making will be the "most effective specialized AI for
| ADHD"? It's an unrealized aspiration stated as an
| inevitability. I don't think stating that you're "trying to
| build" or you're "goal is to build" would be so irksome.
| xrisk wrote:
| I wanted to use this but the privacy policy doesn't give me
| much confidence. Are you going to be storing my prompts (and
| then later using it for training)? Medical data, especially
| mental health data, is pretty sensitive.
| ghotli wrote:
| For something like this the privacy policy should be rock
| solid first, product mvp second. The brevity of the one you
| have in place seems like you haven't done any work on gdpr /
| ccpa, etc.
|
| If the profit model requires a loose privacy policy then let
| me pay for an airtight one. This seems like the needed model
| for anything in this realm ongoing.
| thereticent wrote:
| What are the cognitive assessments, and what normative data set
| do they use?
| overnight5349 wrote:
| The entire content of this website is six bullet points and three
| or four sentences. You really need to do a lot better than that.
| It looks like the cheapest, shadiest, slapped together "I hooked
| ChatGPT into google calendar" project, same as all the other "AI"
| projects coming out these days.
|
| You've offered no compelling reason to use this, nor explained
| what it does or how it can help me except in the vaguest of
| terms.
|
| It seems to be an effort to game you into being a more productive
| worker, and not actually _helping_ you live with ADHD.
|
| Additionally, while I very desperately want an AI personal
| assistant to help me manage my ADHD, there is absolutely no way
| in hell I'd _ever_ use something that doesn 't run on my hardware
| in my house that I physically control. Such an assistant would
| know _literally everything_ about me, and that is not something
| anyone should _ever_ trust to a company.
| fragmede wrote:
| > It seems to be an effort to game you into being a more
| productive worker, and not actually helping you live with ADHD.
|
| Where ADHD leads to problems being productive despite having
| the intelligence to do the job, and that jobs tend to, y'know,
| fire you if you're not productive, and you go homeless without
| money, which you get from having a job, isn't helping ADHD
| people be productive the same thing?
|
| As far as your trust issues go, that's for each individual to
| decide. Some people are able to see past their cynicism and
| derive value from the products companies make.
| throw2291 wrote:
| [dead]
| overnight5349 wrote:
| > isn't helping ADHD people be productive the same thing?
|
| Sure, if you believe the meaning of life is working as hard
| as you possibly can for no benefit until you die.
|
| Real people in the real world have passions, desires,
| hobbies. Chores, relationships, responsibilities. We have
| _lives_. If you 've ever met someone with severe ADHD, you'd
| see that it affects your life deeply and can greatly decrease
| your quality of life. And that's mostly _because of_ the
| 'work til you drop' mindset.
|
| > As far as your trust issues go, that's for each individual
| to decide.
|
| Trusting companies who have over and over done everything
| they possibly can to turn your trust into money is not really
| a sane or logical stance to take. Giving enormous detail
| about your personal life, or confidential work data to a
| company that blatantly does not respect you or your privacy
| is not wise.
|
| So to sum up, you're mansplaining my own disability to me and
| gaslighting me about not trusting openai.
|
| Don't stop now, my 'shitty dudebro' bingo card is nearly full
| mattstir wrote:
| I'm quite curious about this sentiment because I've seen it
| more than a few times here on Hackernews.
|
| I have ADHD and have been very successful in my work life so
| far. I'm on a prescription medication for when my focus is
| necessary but that seems to be either dismissed or heavily
| frowned upon here.
|
| Is there a reason why the answer to ADHD seems to be "use AI
| to do your work" rather than "use the proven medications to
| allow you to focus"? It just seems strange to me.
| lyapunova wrote:
| You only have to look as far as big social media to see proof
| of the damage that corporate motives can cause on the mental
| health of average internetizens.
| [deleted]
| chrsig wrote:
| I've been actively trying to find ways to offload tasks to
| software assistants -- I've slowly been getting a bit more
| comfortable using siri.
|
| My first impression is that the results tracking will just be a
| report of failures and wind up causing disinterest in the
| application as a whole.
|
| I also am concerned that the AI may wind up placing demands on me
| that I may think I want in one moment, but don't wind up engaging
| with...leaving a bunch of stuff piling up.
|
| The example of the presentation just sort of leaves it at "About
| the presentation ...", at which point it seems like the user is
| expected to ...tell the ai about the presentation. So I haven't
| really been shown how it solves any problem that I have.
|
| Also remember that AIs are biased on the training set and you're
| targeting a minority of a population. It's probably not going to
| know "how" to speak to me, what tones actually work, etc.
|
| I hope that all amounts to useful feedback -- I do really want an
| effective product to offload stuff to -- but if it's not
| effective, it has negative value in my life.
| shostack wrote:
| I personally want something at the level of Samantha from Her
| for managing my life. When I think about the data inputs needed
| to have an AI that effective, it's made me increasingly aware
| at how much I lack from tools like Google Tasks and reminders
| etc. for keeping track of all the things I need to do.
|
| It's easy to have them slip off the list and be forgotten
| about, or not be able to do small things to move them ahead and
| have that progress reflected in the task. But I desperately
| want this.
| euroderf wrote:
| I'm seriously impressed by the level of integration across
| the Apple ecosystem. If they can find a way to hook AI into
| every corner of it, you might be able to approach the point
| where you get your wish.
|
| The apparent stagnancy of Siri might be just that.
| overnight5349 wrote:
| I desperately want this. But yes, the amount of data required
| is insane. Just off the top of my head: - browser history -
| SMS and call transcriptions - calendar - passive audio stream
| from my phone - interactions on social media - my diary - my
| work, or at least commit messages
|
| It's a lot, and you'd need a pretty clever model in the
| middle of it to make sense of.
|
| I don't know much about AI today, but I get the sense that
| you could string together a bunch of different systems today
| to achieve this, but no one has done it yet.
|
| Also, if the dataset is exposed, it'd be an unthinkable
| privacy breach. Something like this _has_ to run on dedicated
| hardware that you own. Feeding every intimate detail of your
| entire life into the cloud should be completely untenable.
| walterbell wrote:
| https://goblin.tools/About
|
| _> a collection of small, simple, single-task tools, mostly
| designed to help neurodivergent people with tasks they find
| overwhelming or difficult. Most tools will use AI technologies in
| the back-end to achieve their goals. Currently this includes
| OpenAI 's models. As the tools and backend improve, the intent is
| to move to an open source alternative..
|
| > goblin.tools is offered free and available to all. It will stay
| free without ads or paywalls. Mobile apps of the tools are
| offered at a low price (on Android and iOS), which will help
| cover the running and maintenance costs so the website can stay
| completely free. Keeping the tools freely available in a
| convenient form is a foundational principle to us._
| lacrimacida wrote:
| How can free be sustainable? Data harvesting?
| kristjank wrote:
| Privacy policy says no data harvesting from the website
| itself. OpenAI (who provides the tools) is a different story
| though.
| walterbell wrote:
| From the text above, mobile is paid, web is free.
|
| _> Mobile apps of the tools are offered at a low price (on
| Android and iOS), which will help cover the running and
| maintenance costs so the website can stay completely free._
| falcolas wrote:
| From the post you're responding to:
|
| Mobile apps of the tools are offered at a low price (on
| Android and iOS), which will help cover the running and
| maintenance costs so the website can stay completely free.
|
| If you're not looking for stereotypical growth, it's
| sustainable.
| kristjank wrote:
| Thanks for this, this seems to solve a decent amount of issues
| I commonly encounter.
| zackees wrote:
| Too limited as a chrome plugin. I need an ADHD app that works
| across devices and watches me from my phone/watch.
|
| If I have to go to my desktop then most of the value is missed.
| notjoshjames wrote:
| The first thing I look for when I see a new app in the cognitive
| space is the privacy policy. Here it is in its entirety
| (https://www.comigo.ai/privacy):
|
| * Information We Collect: We collect information you provide when
| you register for our Service, including your Google account data.
| This data includes, but is not limited to, your name and email
| address.
|
| * Use of Information: We use this information to personalize,
| understand, and improve our Service, communicate with you,
| respond to your requests, and enhance the overall user
| experience.
|
| * Sharing of Information: Comigo will not share your personal
| information with third parties.
|
| * Security: We prioritize protecting your data and have
| implemented technical and organizational measures to ensure its
| safety. However, no method of transmission or storage is entirely
| secure, thus we cannot guarantee absolute security.
|
| * Changes to this Privacy Policy: We may update this Privacy
| Policy from time to time. We will notify you of any changes by
| posting the new Privacy Policy on this page.
|
| I've been working on my own similar, local-first solution for
| several years, because I simply cannot introduce a significant
| external dependency to my mental stack. Behavioral data is some
| of the most sensitive and dangerous data to leak.
|
| There's irony with these types of apps: the more utility I can
| gain from them, the more risk I have should they introduce dark
| patterns, become defunct, or even make well-intended changes that
| break my personal workflows.
|
| The scenario outlined on Comigo's home page begins with the user
| prompt "Hey Comigo my board meeting is in 4 hours and I wasn't
| able to work on my presentation slides..." - a context-aware
| agent would certainly have pre-empted this well before the same
| day, right?
|
| Sorry if this seems overly critical. I have a lot of passion for
| this space, and there's a huge need, but there's something like
| 20,000+ "mental health" apps out there, and nearly every single
| one I've encountered has big red flags.
| falcolas wrote:
| I'm trying to imagine writing prompts for a chat bot after the
| novelty wore off, and failing miserably.
|
| This would be like every other "ADHD focus" tool, where after the
| hyperfocus on it wears off (during which I get no actual work
| done other than making lists and schedules and...), I never touch
| it again.
| lyapunova wrote:
| I think it's clear at this point that hackernews types don't want
| to see these thin wrappers around ChatGPT anymore. It was a cool
| genre of hacker project in February, but I'm not so sure anymore.
| We are already dropping into the trough of disillusionment, and
| it hasn't been more than 6 months. which says a lot about the
| lack of inertia behind projects withe generic LLMs at their
| core...
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