[HN Gopher] Important Coding Habits
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Important Coding Habits
Author : tagawa
Score : 216 points
Date : 2023-07-22 14:56 UTC (8 hours ago)
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| natsucks wrote:
| I'm hoping that a potential transition from monitors to AR
| glasses will substantially alleviate some of these issues.
| sharperguy wrote:
| I think regular sports involving use of muscles really helps with
| this. Either weight lifting, with an emphasis on squats and
| deadlifts, bouldering, certain forms of yoga, calisthetics etc.
| Keeping your overall muscles strong supports the rest of your
| body throughout the day while you work.
| MeteorMarc wrote:
| Alas, too late. Add half our walks after lunch and diner, in
| addition to the other habits mentioned.
| lordnacho wrote:
| Weirdly I don't seem to have the two main problems that coders
| report: back pain and hand/wrist pain.
|
| I always keep a straight posture. Either I'm standing, or I'm
| sitting with my back straight. I make sure I don't slouch,
| because that's what causes pain. Used to feel natural to slouch,
| but now it feels natural to puff my chest out. Also, walking on a
| treadmill while reading makes it impossible to slouch.
|
| With my wrists, I'm not sure I get it. Surely people are not
| actually typing all the time? I spend a lot of time looking at
| the code by using the touchpad. A lot of slidey-two-fingers to
| scroll the text. But also I hardly type much when coding. I type
| in something, let smart complete fill in the line, hit tab. But
| it's not even that much text to type in. Most of the work is
| looking at things and thinking. Perhaps it's the height of the
| table, I have a movey-up-down table that I adjust so I'm not
| uncomfortable. But basically I never have wrist pain, whether I'm
| standing or sitting.
| zeroonetwothree wrote:
| I stopped having back pain when I started working out. Hand
| pain I don't actually get from typing, but trackpad use is
| rough. I use a mouse now and it's much better.
| threetonesun wrote:
| I've found some wrist stretches from yoga practices that have
| helped after a day of too much trackpad use, but I agree
| avoiding it as much as possible is better. If you have to use
| a laptop frequently, getting used to doing everything by
| keyboard will save your wrists some work.
| segfaltnh wrote:
| Some people are certainly more predisposed to things than
| others.
| bathMarm0t wrote:
| I've had both.
|
| The back pain was instigated by moving, driving across the
| country, helping someone out with yard work slinging rock, and
| then going for a post-thanksgiving run, which broke this
| camel's back. Lumbar shaping is very, very important for the
| lower spine. You can do it with muscles, or you can do it with
| things. I used a 10 dollar IKEA chair + grippy bottom + a
| rolled towel. You roll the towel until it's the right size to
| create a slight arch. No rulers or drill sergeants necessary.
| It's also important to note that the drive to/from work is
| doing just as much damage as being at work, so using the towel
| in the driver's seat is a godsend.
|
| The wrist pain was instigated by working on a laptop during a
| 1+hr train commute. I kind of looked like Groot (Despicable Me)
| prancing around, minus the prancing. I tried pretty much
| everything, but what stuck was the Evoluent mouse. It allows
| you to use the mouse without arm pronation (pronation forces
| the carpal region into a binding/constricted position). It's
| ~100 bucks but a single doctors visit costs more than that.
|
| Happy coding.
| synergy20 wrote:
| I rarely use my laptop as a coding device, must have external
| monitors and keyboards, otherwise my neck hurts quickly.
|
| the laptop by design is too close between its keyboard and
| monitor, I wonder how others can use it continuously.
|
| I hope in public areas we have some monitor+keyboard+mouse there
| for use(or rent, like the EV chargers to-be-built-more or the
| gas-stations-everywhere), everyone just brings his/her laptop, or
| even a little raspberry pi or intel NUC, or cast their phone
| screen, then plug and get work done.
| agentultra wrote:
| Too true. I've come to particularly dislike the way we design
| computing devices and interfaces. They ruin our bodies and
| require exceptions to accommodate people with different
| capabilities. And to afford those accommodations is a privilege
| many do not have access to.
|
| The best thing we can do is spend less time in front of them.
| bhdlr wrote:
| > Too true. I've come to particularly dislike the way we design
| computing devices and interfaces. They ruin our bodies and
| require exceptions to accommodate people with different
| capabilities. And to afford those accommodations is a privilege
| many do not have access to.
|
| > The best thing we can do is spend less time in front of them.
|
| While I think this is great advice, the author of the article
| lost all credibility as soon as he mentioned a chiropractor
| bigmattystyles wrote:
| Same here - how they are allowed to continue to be a trade is
| beyond me. My friend is a neurosurgeon and has more than a
| few stories about times she's had to fix or more often,
| mitigate, damage done by chiropractors. But at the same time,
| nothing is done about other quacks like supplements,
| homeopathy, etc...
| plagiarist wrote:
| Be careful, if you get too close to supporting medical
| regulations and evidence-based medicine, you will awaken
| the crowd who thinks vaccines are poison and quacks should
| be allowed to sell ivermectin for every ailment. Surely Tim
| Ferris should be allowed to sell supplements because the
| free market is absolutely perfect (unless a member of the
| free market is deciding to enforce masks as a condition of
| entry or something).
| damagednoob wrote:
| I don't want to ban things like homeopathy and
| chiropractors but I have seen them attached to government
| hospitals in the UK. Chiropractic treatment should not be
| funded by the public.
| newaccount74 wrote:
| I think that working in the same position every day, for hours,
| is going to have bad effects even if you are in the best
| position. If you always stress exactly the same muscles, it's
| going to start hurting at some point.
|
| So my solution is to change it up. I often change the setup of my
| screens, I switch between keyboards and mice, sometimes I work on
| my couch on my laptop, sometimes at the office, occasionally at a
| standing desk.
|
| I think the variation helps.
| zer8k wrote:
| Can someone explain to me how you can slip a disk typing? I can't
| contort myself in a way I feel anything more than the occasional
| back muscle pain. Is the author unusually weak or something? I
| exercise frequently so perhaps my back is stronger than usual.
| Still, it seems extremely odd to me you can hurt yourself in that
| way just simply sitting. Hunched or not.
| 634636346 wrote:
| This post, along with the rest of the blog, has a strong vibe of
| being AI-augmented, if not outright AI-generated. The "about"
| page lists a first name only, with a photo that yields no matches
| on Google image search. No CV. No link to any GH or other project
| page. I checked the WHOIS, and the domain was only registered in
| March, 2022, and has zero Wayback machine copies.
|
| And the post being discussed, besides having low information
| density, contains ridiculous recommendations (meme stretches
| instead of resistance training) and embarrassing admissions (the
| author, besides not getting any exercise, goes to a
| _chiropractor_ ). Why is this on the front page?
| moneywoes wrote:
| Thanks for confirming my suspicion
|
| Unfortunately, this trend is only going to get worse
| tagawa wrote:
| Author here. It's hand-written, not AI-generated, although
| the header images are (Stability).
| Delgan wrote:
| There is also a linked Youtube channel.
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gi7nMuyUc4
|
| He looks real.
| tagawa wrote:
| Yes, real. It's me.
| 634636346 wrote:
| I stand corrected. However, I still think he's using GPT to
| generate much of his content, and at most doing some post-hoc
| editing of it.
| tagawa wrote:
| It's hand-written by me although I'm sure the writing style
| could be improved a lot. My process for the tutorial posts
| is to come with the simplest functional code I can
| (admittedly using ChatGPT to double-check it), and then
| write the text around the code examples. I try to keep the
| text relatively short and simple so that a) the code does
| the talking, and b) non-native English speakers can still
| understand.
| frob wrote:
| The articles dated July 2 and 6th are both about how to hide
| api keys and say basically the same thing. The header images
| all look like they came from the same base prompt. And, just
| for icing, the rest of the posts are all about how to use
| chatGPT
| tagawa wrote:
| Author here. I did the first API key hiding post (and
| accompanying video) for local code, but got a question about
| how to hide API keys when deploying code remotely. I couldn't
| update the original video so I decided to create a new one
| instead, and accompanying post, and then link them to each
| other.
|
| For the header images, I use Stability and yes, use the same
| base prompt so they all have a consistent feel.
|
| The posts so far are about using the GPT API because there
| was a positive reaction to an initial post I put out, so I
| expanded on that. I wanted to have a specific focus rather
| than just learning Python in general. It's still early days
| for the site so I'm still finding my way.
| tagawa wrote:
| "Dimwitted" author here. Sorry for making people upset. The
| text content of the blog is all hand-written by me, not AI,
| although I do use AI (Stability) to create the header images.
|
| I started the blog recently because I wanted to separate out
| coding stuff from my personal blog (link in profile if you're
| interested) into its own place. I prefer to list just my first
| name only but my surname is Davis if that helps with
| investigation. My wife took that photo a couple of months ago
| for my profile so no, it's probably not in image searches yet.
| I don't link my CV because I'm not looking for work and don't
| want to share too much info.
|
| As for the post, I live in Japan and go to a Jie Gu Yuan which
| I assumed was chiropractor, but maybe osteopath is a better
| translation. I didn't realise there was a difference and should
| have researched before posting. Sorry. I've updated the post.
|
| I still stand by the recommendations though, as they've helped
| me overall, and I've suffered from not following my own advice.
| metadaemon wrote:
| Just what an AI would say... /s
| reustle wrote:
| I know the author personally and he is in fact very real, and
| very well intentioned.
|
| Take it easy!
| tagawa wrote:
| Thanks, I appreciate it!
| jamilton wrote:
| IIRC, chiropractors empirically can/do provide short-term pain
| relief, just not long-term fixes. And short-term pain relief is
| a reasonable thing to want.
|
| It's on the front page because it was upvoted and other things
| were upvoted less at this time.
| pininja wrote:
| At first I thought this would be about technical habits, but I'm
| glad it's actually about longevity.
| underdeserver wrote:
| Do the exercises, not just the stretches. Squats and situps or
| planks. The difference between no exercise and little, but
| consistent, exercise is ridiculously large.
| Thoeu388 wrote:
| This article is pretty clueless, as most people.
|
| Backbone is hugely supported by muscles. Slipped disc basically
| means there were no muscles to prevent it. Posture, healthy
| lifestyle etc is hugely irrelevant. Also typical exercise like
| running, lifting etc does not help.
|
| As a developer, you should train torso muscles to protect your
| backbone. Pretty complicated regime, you need good personal
| trainer for that.
| dilyevsky wrote:
| Are you saying deadlifts don't train torso muscles?
| Thoeu388 wrote:
| No, I am saying it does not help typical developer. My
| personal opinion is that it is damaging joints (including
| spine discs). My trainer also does not recommend it. But I am
| not really qualified on this subject.
| dasil003 wrote:
| Squats and deadlifts are unequaled in terms of core
| strength development, and they are also some of the most
| natural human motions that any toddler naturally picks up
| as they learn to walk upright. I agree doing them with
| heavy weights can be risky for a typical sedentary adult,
| but they need not be feared. Performed correctly, the load
| goes into your muscles, not joints, but you have to learn
| how to engage your core muscles and maintain tension
| through the whole kinetic chain. The best way to do this is
| to get a knowledgeable coach and build up slowly starting
| with no weight until you have the basic movement and
| coordination well established.
| dilyevsky wrote:
| > No, I am saying it does not help typical developer.
|
| What's a "typical developer"? If we are talking today then
| typical developer is just typical white-collar employee. I
| see many of those in my gym, some of them even use it
| correctly (that is they get in, do deadlifts, and get out
| =))
|
| > My personal opinion is that it is damaging joints
| (including spine discs). My trainer also does not recommend
| it. But I am not really qualified on this subject.
|
| Well you should get a second opinion. Obviously I don't
| know your personal history but for most "typical
| developers" if you get some coaching, use trap bar, don't
| go to failure or 1rm and don't use straps, it's super safe.
| littleroot wrote:
| I found my neck and shoulder a lot less tense since I started
| using split keyboards, and my overall posture also improved. The
| downside is trying (and building!) new split keyboards starts to
| become an addicting hobby, and I keep finding my next keyboard
| with fewer keys than the previous. Settled with a 36-key Skeletyl
| for now.
| fleaaa wrote:
| Using laptop is a last resort...
| rideontime wrote:
| Insta-closed when I saw that hideous AI "art" at the top. How is
| that at all better than nothing at all?
| wsintra2022 wrote:
| Eye of the beholder and all that, I found it rather charming.
| The defects that exist in generative images I find to be the
| true beauty in AI art.
| woodruffw wrote:
| Posture is very important. What's _also_ important is not
| trusting a chiropractor, like this article (previously) stated:
| chiropractic is a quack medicine[1] that ranges somewhere between
| harmless (but falsely advertised) massage and dangerous,
| sometimes fatal, spinal manipulation[2].
|
| Edit: Amended to reflect the fact that this was likely a
| translation error.
|
| [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiropractic
|
| [2]:
| https://web.archive.org/web/20100516074554/http://jrsm.rsmjo...
| therealdrag0 wrote:
| I agree the fields origins are quack and much of ongoing
| proceedings are quack, but IME many of them have just as deep
| anatomic knowledge as the PTs and have cross training in the
| same studies and theories as PTs. I think the field is trying
| to legitimize itself and many practitioners are involved in
| gyms and sports where real results matter and where they rub
| shoulders with other therapists and doctors picking up the good
| ideas and "best practices".
|
| All that to say I wish the field would die but the amount of
| quackery can vary very widely between chiros from little more
| than a pop factory to essentially the same experience as an
| average PT.
| schlowmo wrote:
| > What's also important is not trusting a chiropractor
|
| While I totally agree I would extend this recommendation to not
| trust anyone who does spinal manipulation without proper
| knowledge, since practioners of quackery use a lot of job
| titles.
|
| This especially includes osteopathy (maybe with the exception
| of the US variant "Doctor of Osteopathic Medicine", I only know
| the european kind) - damaging the spinal cord or big blood
| vessels with slow motions doesn't make it less damaging.
|
| As a rule of thumb: If it looks like a quack, swims like a
| quack, and quacks like a quack, then it probably is a quack.
|
| There may be anecdotal evidence for it being some kind of
| miracle cure, but I can also tell anecdotes of people getting
| bonus stays at the local hospitals stroke unit after visting an
| ostheopath.
| tagawa wrote:
| Author here. I may have made a mistake. I live in Japan and go
| to a Jie Gu Yuan which I assumed was a chiropractor, but maybe
| osteopath is a better definition? I've updated the article to
| reflect this. I didn't realise there was a difference - lack of
| research on my part, sorry.
| woodruffw wrote:
| Thank for you responding! Translation is hard, and there's
| nothing to apologize for -- I've also edited my comment.
|
| (FWIW, "osteopathy" is also a quack practice, in the US. It's
| distinct from osteopathic medicine, which is an actual
| medical science. But it might be hard to translate that
| distinction; if your practitioner has a medical degree, then
| they're the "real" one.)
| tagawa wrote:
| Thanks. I'm learning a lot all of a sudden! The profile on
| the wall of the clinic looked OK to me, but I'll read more
| carefully next time I go.
| sedivy94 wrote:
| The chiropractor's assessment, as mentioned in the article, is
| consistent with the research I've gathered over a decade of
| amateur bodybuilding and powerlifting. I would bet many
| athletes will disagree with the above sentiment surrounding
| chiropractors. I personally haven't met one practicing holistic
| medicine. What I primarily see in practices is active release
| therapy (ART), Graston, cupping, along with traditional
| physical therapy - an aggregate of effective soft tissue and
| joint manipulation techniques. Back cracks just happen to come
| with the package.
| woodruffw wrote:
| The assessment might be correct; this does not make a
| chiropractor qualified to make it.
| spondylosaurus wrote:
| Thank you! It shocks me how many people don't know this.
|
| If your back is giving you hell, you don't want a chiropractor,
| you want an orthopedist. And that orthopedist will probably
| refer you to a physical therapist, which is where the magic
| really happens.
| TheAceOfHearts wrote:
| Sometimes on social media I get shown videos of chiropractors
| practicing on babies which looks really scary. If there's such
| a high risk factor I don't understand how it can remain legal
| and not be scrutinized more closely.
|
| As for the field as a whole, I don't fully know what to make of
| it. My understanding is that some fairly large and prominent
| companies (think Fortune 100) keep multiple chiropractors on
| retainer for their employee's benefit. Is it possible that
| there's something of value there which isn't fully understood
| or are these companies just acting irrationally? Worded a bit
| differently: if it's a scam, why are so many big companies
| paying for these services?
| thepostman0 wrote:
| Obligatory bullshit episode:
|
| https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0771272/
| overlordalex wrote:
| Obligatory Behind the Bastards podcast episode:
| https://www.iheart.com/podcast/105-behind-the-
| bastards-29236...
| simonbarker87 wrote:
| Gosh that MRI looks just like mine from 2016. Herniation of the
| L5S1 disc, minor slip/misalignment of the vertebrae and some
| tearing of the longitudinal posterior ligament.
|
| Mine was caused by poor squat form due to a lack of ankle
| mobility + sitting badly.
|
| Took me 3 years to rehab it fully, with no need for surgery with
| a mix of standing desk, regular physiotherapy, changing movement
| patterns and time.
|
| There is clear evidence that so long as the hernia isn't causing
| imminent danger to bodily functions then the recovery path for
| having surgery and not having surgery is basically the same.
|
| Also, chiro's are quacks - their core thesis is treating (from
| memory) luxations, of which there is no evidence of existing. If
| you have an injury, find a physio who isn't afraid to work on you
| with manipulations, massage, cupping, scraping, dry needling,
| mobilisations AND prescriptive exercises for mobility and
| strength work.
| tru1ock wrote:
| I only use a kneeling chair. Also daily short 15-20min HIIT with
| pull ups have resolved all my back problems. I highly recommend
| the simple and sinister daily energizer approach. After work when
| you are tired and mentally drained is the best time to exercise.
| This gives you energy to do your own things for the remainder of
| the day.
| vmoore wrote:
| I never liked the seated, sedentary nature of programming. Over
| time though, I've forced myself to take regular breaks, say every
| 10 minutes to straighten out my spine, and every 60 mins I go for
| a longish walk to clear my head and repair my back. Any hard
| problems or puzzles I encountered usually get solved when
| walking, as my brain is in a different state and can problem-
| solve better.
|
| There are ergonomic items you can buy for a home-lab situation or
| maybe the office splurged out on Herman Miller chairs, but no
| amount of ergonomic items (Vertical Mouse etc) will solve the
| sitting down problem. You have to do pattern interrupts and
| frequent (reparative) breaks.
|
| This is known to increase productivity. If you're in your
| twenties you can probably get away with long sessions sitting
| down without major issues, but over time, sitting /will/ affect
| you if you're not doing interrupts and exercising/repairing
| yourself.
| pydry wrote:
| I've started doing this every time I complete a problem and
| close the browser windows or if I'm stuck.
|
| I find that if I continue to sit after this it's often when the
| procrastination kicks in because I'm not sure what to do next.
|
| Whereas if I start walking it kicks my brain into deciding what
| to do next or solving the problem I'm stuck on.
| Given_47 wrote:
| > There are ergonomic items you can buy for a home-lab
| situation or maybe the office splurged out on Herman Miller
| chairs
|
| I got a nice condition used Steelcase Leap v1 several months
| ago for about $120 and that thing has been an absolute godsend.
| Excellent for the back, adjusting the armrests to relieve
| pressure from shoulders, seat tilt, I can barely sit in other
| chairs for prolonged periods now lol
| cuddlecake wrote:
| What do you do, when you straighten out your spine? I mean in
| terms of movement, or do you just change your posture?
| fifilura wrote:
| Basic yoga moves are fantastic for this.
|
| Sun salutations with downward and upward dog. They also
| strengthen your core.
|
| There are more moves in the Ashtanga sequence, whenever I do
| it I get a feeling of my discs being stretched and exercised
| like a rubber ball.
| idle_processor wrote:
| Stuart McGill recommends periodically standing and stretching
| your arms over your head a couple times. You can see the
| motion demonstrated here:
| https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bcbuhePZZj0&t=459s
|
| He also recommended doing the cat-cow from yoga, and there's
| a set of exercises referred to as the McGill big 3.
|
| I've seen some positive references to the McKenzie method
| book, Treat Your Own Back. I haven't tried it specifically,
| but had good luck with their equivalent book for neck
| treatment.
| bloopernova wrote:
| Not the original commenter, but I've started doing basic
| piriformis stretches. Even just the first one on this list
| has noticeably helped my back/sciatica pain.
|
| https://health.clevelandclinic.org/piriformis-syndrome-
| stret...
|
| I've added it as a goal in the Finch app, so I get a little
| dopamine reward when I do it.
|
| Plus owning a dog helps too, getting regular exercise even if
| it's just walking.
| molsongolden wrote:
| One of the best back stretches that I've found is hanging
| from a pull-up bar (wall-mounted, removable door frame bar,
| power rack).
|
| The recent version of Stretching[0] also has computer-
| specific stretches in it. I was recommended this book by a
| physical therapist and it's great.
|
| [0]https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/561546
| danjc wrote:
| Keen to here whether anyone here uses a exercise/sitting ball at
| a desk as a way to improve posture?
| Given_47 wrote:
| Yea I've always been curious about those. Any time I've tried
| one out, I end up sitting all hunched over, so I'm obviously
| doing something wrong but wondering as well
| block_dagger wrote:
| I was confined to a supine workstation for a similar reason.
| Thankfully, changing my habits allowed a nearly full recover,
| albeit years long. I wrote about my setup, only slightly out of
| date: https://medium.com/@jcraigk/healthy-hacking-diy-supine-
| works...
| baremetal wrote:
| I do body weight exercises and stretch every day. They are easy
| to do during breaks from coding, and don't require any special
| equipment.
|
| I am really fond of the L-sit as it works so many muscle groups
| and makes for a strong core. It's something you may have to work
| up to though.
|
| I also meditate. It is great for concentration and overall well-
| being.
| progbits wrote:
| https://stretch15.com/ is nice low effort way to start
| stretching.
|
| It was on HN few months ago and since then I do it almost every
| day. I've been going to the gym for a long time but proper
| stretching is something I never paid attention to.
| necessary wrote:
| As someone who has been feeling various back pains at the ripe
| old age of 25, I appreciate this article greatly.
| locuscoeruleus wrote:
| I had all sorts of random pains throughout my back/arms. After
| I started climbing almost everything disappeared. Being forced
| to stretch your hands above your body a few days a week is
| probably healthy for a programmer.
| the_only_law wrote:
| I don't know what happened, but a couple weeks ago, I was
| sitting on the couch when I suddenly had a sharp pain shoot
| through the right side of my body. It subsided after a few
| seconds, but for a week I had a persistent pain in my side,
| around my right rib cage and behind the shoulder blade.
|
| At first I thought it was something really bad, like an organ
| issue. It hurt just to lay down in bed at night. Only thing
| that seemed to give any relief were really tense stretches. It
| ended up going away after that week, and at this point I assume
| I must have just pulled some muscle in a bad way, but I
| certainly didn't think I was old enough to have back issues
| like that.
| techno_tsar wrote:
| Sounds awful. I've done the same once, in college, reaching
| for a shower curtain. I genuinely thought I was too young to
| experience issues like that.
|
| Could also be a nerve thing. Sometimes my upper back and
| shoulders compresses a nerve and it ends up shooting into my
| elbow.
|
| I herniated a disc at 21 and that was just from bad posture,
| I was sitting on the couch as well and as I was getting up I
| felt a terribly electric pain shoot from my lower right back
| to my leg. It took years for it to be better and I've
| aggravated it several times. On one occasion the pain was so
| bad it requires a hospital trip, where their best advice was
| physio and to stay active. Rest and a sedentary lifestyle is
| disastrous if you're prone to back injuries. Even now,
| although I'm very active, just sitting in the same spot for
| an hour triggers piriformis syndrome. Quite literally a pain
| in the ass that affects my hips.
| malux85 wrote:
| Standing desk
| yellow_lead wrote:
| > According to my chiropractor, sitting for long periods of time
| had led to my stomach and thigh muscles being relatively unused,
| and therefore unable to assist my back in supporting my body,
| putting it under extra strain.
|
| This is reasonable - getting up often and walking or stretching
| is good for you. However I wouldn't rely on chiropractors for
| medical advice.
| tagawa wrote:
| Thanks for the tip. I think I used the wrong term in the post
| (now updated). I live in Japan and go to a Jie Gu Yuan which I
| assumed was chiropractor, but osteopath is probably a better
| translation. I should have researched before posting.
| PartiallyTyped wrote:
| And you know ... working out, lifting weights, walking for a
| while.
| winrid wrote:
| You need to work out or you'll turn into a potato that can't
| support your own upper body. You'll end up with all kinds of
| medical and joint issues.
| nivenhuh wrote:
| I am using the Herman Miller Embody and Envelop desk with a foot
| rest. Being able to pull the desk in/out, switching between
| reclined / upright, etc.. is great for varying seating positions
| throughout the day.
| gukoff wrote:
| The only habit you need are the regular strength exercises,
| especially for the stability of the back muscles.
|
| Please, please forget about the stretches or "ergonomics" if you
| don't excersise. It will not help you in the long run.
| jaggederest wrote:
| I've found no research that indicates static stretching does
| anything except increase your tolerance for static stretching,
| anyway. No reduction in injury, no increase in range of motion,
| no functional benefits. Do it if it feels good, otherwise don't
| feel obligated.
| laeri wrote:
| Totally agree, either physical or mental health problems is the
| most dangerous risk we face. Doing or not doing something over a
| long period of time can have serious consequences.
| planetjones wrote:
| I have suffered the same. The pain from the sciatica was unlike
| anything I had ever experienced. Excruciating doesn't even begin
| to describe it.
|
| The McKenzie exercises every morning since have undoubtedly
| helped my recovery. As has giving up running.
| AnimalMuppet wrote:
| Don't forget your hands! You don't think of programmers as
| "people who work with their hands", but we really are. (So are
| surgeons, by the way.)
|
| I typed too hard for a few decades because I began on some really
| stiff keyboards. That has not been good for my fingers. You
| shouldn't hit keys harder than you need to, because if you
| multiply that by a few decades the impacts on your joints and
| tendons add up to damage. If your fingers hurt after a day of
| coding, _pay attention_.
|
| Wrist angle matters. Carpal tunnel is no fun. (So far, I have
| been spared that.) Pay attention to strain on your wrists as you
| type. If there is some, think about your geometry, and how you
| can change it.
|
| One of the things I despise about laptops is that their keyboards
| are too small for my hands. For serious work, I need a full-sized
| keyboard.
|
| So when you think about ergonomics, don't forget your hands.
|
| (And don't forget your eyes. Look away from the monitor to
| something at least 20 feet away, for at least 20 seconds,
| regularly. I forget what the recommendation is - every 20
| minutes, or every 2 hours, or something. But regularly.)
| hommelix wrote:
| I can recommend workrave. It reminds me to take breaks and
| propose stretching or looking further than the monitor.
|
| https://workrave.org/
| avalys wrote:
| I've been programming for ~20 years and I sit very slouched, with
| my butt resting at the at very forward lip of my chair.
|
| This is very comfortable and relaxed and puts no pressure on my
| back at all. I keep my monitor high up so my head is elevated. If
| the need arises, I can do this for 12 hours a day without being
| uncomfortable or sore at all by the evening.
|
| Sitting ramrod straight in the proper "ergonomic" position seems
| like a disaster waiting to happen. It's super uncomfortable and
| stresses my back, my arms, my neck.
| precompute wrote:
| - exercise! - use an external monitor, stop squinting at a 15"
| screen.
|
| There you go.
| colordrops wrote:
| I've had pretty bad spinal issues for the last 19 years, starting
| with my neck, but more recently with my lower back. Both have
| caused excruciating pain, with the neck being chronic mid-level,
| and the lower back putting me in bed for weeks and unable to walk
| for over a month.
|
| I've dialed down the pain to background through several
| activities. First I went through physical therapy for both the
| neck and back issues, and did the prescribed exercises
| religiously. Finding a good therapist is crucial - some just give
| you pre-packaged sets of exercises, but good ones will be
| constantly evaluating and customizing your exercises and
| movements.
|
| For my daily routine, I do 1 hour of Mysore Ashtanga yoga. It has
| dozens of cobra poses (urdva muka svanasana) to reverse the
| stress on your neck.
|
| I also do the 12 minute Foundation Training routine, which
| strengthens the lower back. [1]
|
| For ergonomics, I'm using a standing desk _all day_. It only
| takes a couple weeks to get used to, so you might need to take
| breaks while getting adjusted. Make sure to not lock the knees,
| or you can alternate which knee is locked. I like to stand in
| tree pose, alternating legs every once in a while. Make sure to
| have a standing pad to prevent leg issues.
|
| I've also got a mini treadmill under the desk. I try to walk for
| 5-7 miles a day. It's not as hard as it sounds to get used to,
| and I'm actually able to code while doing this. Precise mouse
| movements can be difficult, but luckily my setup is Neovim +
| SwayWM + Vimium on the browser.
|
| If i absolutely must sit, I use an exercise ball on top of a foam
| swimming noodle that has been glued with epoxy into a circle to
| keep it stable. The exercise ball keeps the spine in a good
| poster. It's difficult and painful to slouch on an exercise ball.
|
| For my keyboard, I use a Glove80 split ergo. It's a brilliant
| setup that has gone through tons of a/b testing to fit most hands
| without needing to move your hands and wrists into awkward
| positions.
|
| [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BOTvaRaDjI
| source99 wrote:
| I have a very similar issue and likely the same cause. What has
| helped for me: Cortisone shots (temporarily relief but not a
| fix), losing weight, core strengthening activities and switching
| to a standing desk 100% of the time. YMMV. 43yr old male,
| lifelong developer.
| pkkm wrote:
| > laptop
|
| The author buried the lede. Using a bare laptop all day will
| damage your health. To achieve an ergonomic posture [0], you have
| to be looking straight forward (or close to that) while your
| elbows are low and bent at an obtuse angle. This is impossible
| with a laptop, unless you basically turn it into a desktop by
| connecting it to an external keyboard, mouse, and monitor(s).
| Theoretically, you could use a laptop stand instead of an
| external monitor, but I've found that the letters on a laptop
| screen are small enough that they make me reflexively crane my
| neck forward.
|
| Time spent using a laptop without external peripherals should be
| limited just like vibration and noise exposure is. You're always
| straining either your shoulders, your neck, or both.
|
| It's surprising to me that the author is looking into niche
| products like sit-stand desks before having addressed the obvious
| problem that would be pointed out by any ergonomics resource on
| the Internet. It reminds me of the phrase, "don't major in the
| minors".
|
| [0] https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutter/blog/7-things-you-need-
| fo...
| inhumantsar wrote:
| It's funny to me that you're calling sit stand desks niche and
| suggesting that it shouldn't be one of the first things to look
| at when the second item the wirecutter article talks about is a
| sit/stand desk.
|
| Besides, standard external keyboards are not much more
| ergonomic than a laptop keyboard. They're typically only a
| little wider so the wrist placement is often still pretty bad.
|
| An external screen at the right height is going to be far more
| impactful than the keyboard until you get into ergo keyboards.
| me-vs-cat wrote:
| While it's possible to use the laptop keyboard while looking
| at an external monitor, I don't think it's nearly as easy or
| beneficial as both an external monitor and a separate
| keyboard. The reason is because you're still going to use
| that screen, which leads to the original problem, or you
| won't use it and it gets in the way of the external monitor.
| Or even worse, you put it off to one side and the external
| monitor to the other side.
|
| So even if that separate keyboard is no better ergonomically
| than the laptop keyboard, it's still highly recommended. And
| let's be honest, it's hard for a non-laptop keyboard to not
| be better to use at a desk than even some of the best laptop
| keyboards.
|
| Not defending the other poster. Sit/stand desk shouldn't be
| the first adjustment you make, but it should be considered
| soon after the first.
|
| I emphasize the same for my team: get an external monitor,
| get a separate separate keyboard & mouse, and then either
| setup the laptop at a good height to be just another monitor
| or leave it closed while connected to the dock. (We provide
| this in the office, but we only provide a laptop & dock when
| they work from home.)
| pkkm wrote:
| I didn't say that sit-stand desks are useless, I just think
| they aren't low-hanging fruit like external peripherals are.
| It's a sizeable piece of furniture, so you're looking at more
| money and more trouble than just buying an external monitor,
| for benefits that are more uncertain (not everyone is helped
| by standing while they work). I'm not sure what you're
| objecting to here.
| kwanbix wrote:
| I connect my ThinkPad P51 to two external monitors, an external
| trackpoing keyboard 2, and a logitech trackpad. It works
| perfect, and if i need to work on the road, I just disconnect
| it and take it with me.
| powersnail wrote:
| > To achieve an ergonomic posture [0], you have to be looking
| straight forward (or close to that) while your elbows are low
| and bent at an obtuse angle.
|
| Curious: what about reading and writing posture? Traditionally,
| we look downward when reading and writing at a desk, rather
| than straight forward. Is that also non-ergonomic? I know that
| books can be supported up by a stand, but is there something
| for writing?
| pkkm wrote:
| I'll be honest, I haven't done any research about the
| ergonomics of handwriting because I don't do it much anymore.
| I just know that when you're referencing paper documents
| while using a computer, a document holder is often
| recommended.
| mturmon wrote:
| This guy gets it: https://sawbridge.com/product/historic-
| jefferson-lap-desk/
| [deleted]
| r00fus wrote:
| The #1 thing that bothers me is that almost ALL desks are 30"
| height in the US. Completely unergonomic for anyone not 5'10"
| or taller.
|
| For example, the Ikea FLISAT desk still fits my teen kids even
| though it's for smaller kids (TBH I actually find it
| comfortable to work on occasionally).
|
| For my laptop, I do set my screen resolution much lower
| (doubled/retina) than my large monitor. Less real estate, but I
| don't have to squint when not using a monitor.
| coldtea wrote:
| Isn't the chair + desk combo that matters? That is, can't you
| compensate the higher desk with adjusting the chair height or
| getting a taller chair?
| r00fus wrote:
| After 15 years of trying I have to say that it just doesn't
| work. Your sitting body is not at rest; you fidget, move
| around, your legs need to be planted so you can reposition
| easily...
|
| So raising your chair and then putting a footrest seems
| logical but just doesn't work out unless you teach yourself
| how to adapt to it.
| eBombzor wrote:
| Then your legs aren't being supported.
| spondylosaurus wrote:
| One of the best things about sit-stand desks isn't even the
| standing part, imo, it's being able to set the sitting height
| exactly where you want it. I have the same issue where most
| static desks are an inch or two higher than I'd like them to
| be.
| iman453 wrote:
| Curious why you say vibration exposure should be avoided?
| dnissley wrote:
| Hand arm vibration syndrome
| pkkm wrote:
| Vibration White Finger / Hand-Arm Vibration Syndrome. Not
| really a concern for the occasional DIYer, but it can
| definitely happen to people who use tools like the hammer
| drill for hours per day.
| politelemon wrote:
| I think there's on assumption being made here which ought to be
| challenged. Laptops are widely used, but they are not great
| coding environments. They were created to enable portability, but
| the way it mostly gets used promotes terrible habits, posture,
| handpositions, viewing angles, all of the above. If given a
| choice I would opt for a desktop and live with the portability
| restrictions it comes with. Of course it is an increasingly
| uncommon choice. The next best thing is to use the laptop docked
| but closed, and have separate peripherals: monitors, keyboard,
| mouse.
| Snild wrote:
| > The next best thing is to use the laptop docked but closed
|
| That's what I do, combined with a 64-thread/128GB build
| machine.
|
| In fact, I'm so happy with my discontinued HP UltraSlim docks
| mounted vertically on the side of my desk/divider that I went
| to IT and special-ordered the last model that fit those docks.
| My new laptop is five years old. Worth it! :)
| tempest_ wrote:
| These port replicators are easily replaced by a monitor with
| a high-speed usb c hub now a days.
|
| I have not needed one in years, power, peripherals, and
| networking all go through the single usb-c connection.
| Snild wrote:
| But I can't hang my laptop from a USB cable. :)
| jrib wrote:
| As someone whose desktop is showing its age and no longer
| games much, I'm curious about your build machine.
|
| Do you have a physical build machine? Or in the cloud? And
| did you build it or order it from somewhere?
| Snild wrote:
| Physical machine, in a server room at Sony's Lund office.
| Custom order of several machines from Compliq, a small
| local shop.
|
| It's a Threadripper-something, 128GB RAM, and nvme disks
| totaling 9-10 TB (plus a sata SSD for the OS, and maybe a
| big HDD for the mirror). I use btrfs' raid to join the repo
| disks, while others use other solutions (e.g. ext4 on top
| of mdraid). I also run btrfs compression, which saves a lot
| of space for very little cost (iirc, something like 1%
| extra time for a full Android build, but ymmv).
|
| Most of us share the build machine with 1-3 other
| engineers, which is fine because we rarely need to make
| (big) builds at the same time. Android is not small, and
| having multiple copies of the complete history for multiple
| people would be impractical, so we have a custom git/repo
| mirroring solution that keeps our various checkouts from
| growing out of hand.
|
| People use whatever tool they like to connect to the
| machine. I've seen remote desktop of some sort, xpra,
| mosh... Personally, I'm using ssh and screen, with some
| ssh_config aliases for quick access to specific product
| branches.
|
| When it's time to flash a build to a device, rsync is
| great. I believe AOSP aims for hermetic/reproducible
| builds, which enables big speedups from rsync.
| plq wrote:
| It's just a guess but this sounds like a physical machine
| with threadripper 3970x (128gb memory is the max it can
| handle without memory bandwidth contention) though I'm also
| curious about the details.
| inconceivable wrote:
| i have a similar setup with an amd threadripper
| thinkstation.
| lacrimacida wrote:
| Yeah, I agee with the problems laptop use can create. I do use
| a decent laptop but use it as a desktop with eye level monitor
| and external keyboard attached. I found that positioning the
| keybord close to my body with a table height slightly above my
| sitting thighs such that the elbows are close to the body is
| the best ergonomics I could find and any back/neck/shoulder
| aches I used to get in my 20s and 30s have nearly vanished
| completely. My only problem is my butt getting tired of sitting
| on a chair and use it as an excuse to take breaks. Not sure if
| this position is universal, I did find it through
| experimentstion and I encourage evryone to test out various
| positions and to avoid using laptops for extended periods of
| time, it is really bad and could also create poor sitting
| habits that extend beyond the computer.
| jauntywundrkind wrote:
| Laptops are actually kind of ok just not how people use them.
| ;)
|
| Elevate & decoupled! Raise the screen. Use a Bluetooth
| keyboard. Stop staring down!
|
| Ideally one can rig up a way to get the keyboard under the
| laptop. That's rough though, not always easy (some soda cans &
| cardboard... Where there's a will!). Often I end up with my
| laptop on my adventure pack and the keyboard in front (or on my
| lap). I used to just use tablet style 2-in-1's, which rock: the
| Tryone gooseneck arm (or many others) let's you hover the
| screen in really nice position, wherever you want.
|
| I was pretty fine having a decently hidpi 11-12 inch screen
| positioned close in, but I have really wanted a bigger 2-in-1 I
| could work with. I miss 2013 when there was the bigger bigger
| bigger push for tablets: we are creeping back up, but the bold
| 18.4 beasts of that age were I hope only a bit too soon.
|
| It all comea down to!:
|
| > _Improve your coding environment_
| bdcravens wrote:
| There are many great options for a stand if you want to use the
| screen. My current setup: standing desk, external keyboard and
| trackpad, 2 monitors raised to comfortable viewing height, and
| laptop on stand where the screen is aligned with the larger
| monitors.
| vanviegen wrote:
| I don't understand why people insist on using more than one
| monitor.
|
| Downsides: - Looking sideways is bad for your neck. - Looking
| from the one to the other and refocusing probably takes more
| time than using a shortcut key to switch between virtual
| desktops or something similar. - Consumes additional space,
| energy and money.
|
| Upsides: - Looks cool and professional, I guess. - ??
| recursive wrote:
| I'm not expecting you to understand but I find it less
| disruptive to look to the side than switch windows or
| desktops.
| scubbo wrote:
| Let me just drop in to recommend the Kinesis Advantage 2, a
| keyboard I bought about 6 years ago after first noticing wrist
| pain. It's probably my only purchase that beats Factorio in
| "benefit-per-dollar". I absolutely love it. Haven't used the 360
| (it wasn't available when I bought it), but that looks even
| better.
| fredrikholm wrote:
| Similar praise to the unfortunately named Ultimate Hacking
| Keyboard.
|
| Split keyboard that can be rotated and titled exactly to fit
| your needs was the difference between bilateral pinky side pain
| radiating to my elbows to absolutely no pain in a matter of a
| few weeks.
|
| That, and it's a damn fine, steel cased macro-able keyboard.
| ecshafer wrote:
| I don't understand how people use laptops for extended periods of
| time. The only comfortable way to use a laptop is with an
| external monitor, keyboard and mouse. The author talks about
| ergonomics but still uses a laptop. Laptops are for doing work on
| a plane or taking to a hotel room when traveling, not for being a
| daily driver in my book (at least not without peripherals). The
| keyboard on laptops is too close together, the screen is at the
| wrong height and angle. Trackpads are disastrous. Using a laptop
| for 8 hours feels like the day after running a marathon but
| without any of the good parts.
| dividedbyzero wrote:
| I use an external Apple trackpad and it's been a relief for my
| right arm, I only use a mouse for gaming anymore as game-
| specific muscle memory doesn't seem to translate well. It does
| feel very ergonomic to me, almost on par with a vertical mouse,
| but those are always too big for my hands.
|
| I get why people wouldn't want to do that with Windows laptop
| trackpads though, not to speak of Linux, which seems to really
| struggle with trackpads.
| nordsieck wrote:
| > Trackpads are disastrous.
|
| Why do you say that? I know quite a few people who use an
| external trackpad with a desktop setup and they seem to do
| pretty well with it.
| ecshafer wrote:
| I don't know about an external one. But the standard track
| pad is in the center of the screen/keyboard layout and quite
| close to your body. Its non-ergonomic.
| coufu wrote:
| I've been using trackpad primarily with my thumb for about
| 6 years now. Obviously I have to use other fingers
| sometimes to scroll and drag though. I find a mouse slows
| me down when I have to take my hands off the keyboard to
| use the mouse. This is coming from a vim enthusiast (worth
| mentioning in this context since a big benefit of using vim
| is how much time is saved by not taking hands off the
| keyboard).
| jauntywundrkind wrote:
| > _Don't code late at night_
|
| Big disagree fore. For me, code comes much easier in the deep of
| the night. I can just write, and it's fine, where-as during the
| day I get distracted by side quests & perfectionism.
|
| I think regularly of PKD writing I think in VALIS trilogy about
| the heat of the palm tree garden (of Eden), waves of heat making
| us languid. And then the night, the absence of god's light,
| humans unwatched, free, unburdened. The contrast has resonated
| with me for so long, the relief from pressures of the day,
| unburdened freedom. I feel it, I feel freer, as I code deeper
| into the night.
| eyelidlessness wrote:
| I think it might be better generalized as "don't code for some
| daily period of extended downtime", or even more generalized as
| "take one very long break between work days". Even that won't
| necessarily apply to everyone, but for most people it's a more
| healthy habit than cranking for >10 hours a day or similar
| overwork.
| PartiallyTyped wrote:
| What I love the most about coding at night is that I am more
| creative, and everything flows better.
| dreamy_hoover wrote:
| For me the best option is a floor desk. I found sitting on the
| floor challenging at the beginning. I even had to re-learn how to
| get down to and up from the floor properly. But with time (and
| yoga/stretching exercises) my core has gotten stronger and my
| joints feel great and I can withstand any amount of time sitting
| on the floor. I'd say the amount of times you get down and up
| count as mild exercise. I have had no back or any other kind of
| pain whatsoever, even after longer sessions. A great thing is
| that you keep changing posture naturally and you have many more
| ways you can sit or squat on the floor than on a chair. I don't
| see this mentioned often, but to me it makes a lot of sense.
| Children prefer sitting on the floor (they haven't experienced
| any mobility loss yet), hunter-gatherer tribes sit on the floor
| for most of the day [0], older people in Japan (and other
| cultures) sit on the floor without much problem, etc., just to
| mention some examples.
|
| [0] https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/sitting-all-day-
| bad-f...
| celeritascelery wrote:
| Do you sit on cushion or mat? Or just on the floor directly.
| And are you sitting cross legged or some other method?
| dreamy_hoover wrote:
| No mat or cushion for me, I've come to appreciate the
| grounding feeling of sitting on hard wooden floors. I sit in
| as many positions as I can come up with and alternate between
| them almost unconsciously now. In a few months of using the
| floor desk I went from thinking myself unable to sit in half
| lotus to actually finding that position very comfortable.
| Some examples of floor sitting postures:
|
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32131303
|
| https://www.pinterest.co.uk/pin/813533120161288900/
|
| I use a laptop either directly on the floor or on top of a
| small table or elevated surface. You can of course also add a
| monitor, wireless keyboard with touchpad, etc., and that
| gives you plenty of new posture options.
| brycelarkin wrote:
| I try to incorporate deadlifts into my workouts twice a week to
| prevent this.
|
| Lower back pain is scary. During covid, when the gyms were
| closed, I couldn't do deadlifts and felt the back pain coming.
| Thankfully everything opened up.
| exhilaration wrote:
| Deadlifts are the best, not just for the back benefits but for
| hand strength as well - my wrist pain is a distant memory now.
| moneywoes wrote:
| Ironically I hurt my back attempting dead lifts. Perhaps the
| form was poor
| bdcravens wrote:
| I also have a medical condition that has caused degenerative
| arthritis in the lower back. I find that if I'm seated in
| anything but an Aeron I can't remain seated for long. I suspect
| it's less the brand than the mesh with some give. However,
| since I know the brand, I happily spent the $1300 for my home
| setup. (I also sprung for an Uplift standing desk)
| BodyCulture wrote:
| Just a little thing but it would help a lot if terminal input
| lines were at the top of the screen by default.
| gjvc wrote:
| pressing ctrl-L often helps with that
| [deleted]
| GuB-42 wrote:
| I never really understood the appeal of standing desks. Standing
| still seems less natural to me than sitting, and I don't think it
| is particularly healthy, unlike moving. Personally, I can walk
| for hours, no problem, but I can't stand still for more than a
| few minutes at a time. Most jobs that require standing usually
| involve some moving around. A clerk for instance may leave the
| counter to bring the things you bought.
|
| Out of all the usual recommendations, like better (sitting)
| posture, regular walking breaks, exercising, etc... Extended use
| of a standing desk seems like the worst to me, though alternating
| between sitting and standing seems like a good idea.
| Lukas_Skywalker wrote:
| The thing I like about my standing desk is that I am unable to
| stay in the same position for more than 10 minutes. I always
| shift my weight, move my arms, walk a few steps to the left or
| right. I am forced to have breaks much more often than when I
| am sitting.
| bad_username wrote:
| Alternating between sitting and standing is the only correct
| way to use a standing desk. Prolonged standing is as harmful as
| prolonged sitting.
| abdullahkhalids wrote:
| Stephen Wolfram has a sling that he can use to work on his
| laptop while out on a walk [1].
|
| [1] https://writings.stephenwolfram.com/2019/02/seeking-the-
| prod...
| moffkalast wrote:
| That seems like a good fit for some times of the year, but
| given that IP68 laptops aren't a thing yet (somehow?) it
| limits you to days of good weather and not too much sun or
| your screen at max brightness will drain the battery in
| record time. Quite a hurdle for forming a habit around it.
| Maybe with a waterproof tablet + bluetooth keyboard + beefy
| powerbank or solar panel setup if your work can be done in
| the laughably limited confines of a mobile OS.
|
| Something like the treadmill setup he tested would make more
| sense for daily use, but the heart rate data he mentions
| makes it sound completely useless.
| teekert wrote:
| The best posture is your next one.
|
| Just keep moving guys, and train those core muscles that keep
| your back straight.
| parasti wrote:
| I tried a standing desk. It boosted my productivity for sure -
| when I wanted to procrastinate instead I just switched between
| sitting/standing and kept working.
|
| It also created a couple of health problems.
|
| First, I started to feel pain in my left shoulder. After a while
| I realized that it's caused by leaning on my left arm as a way to
| let my feet rest.
|
| Then, I started to feel tingling/numbness in one of my knees. It
| persisted for weeks until I stopped using a standing desk.
| dkjaudyeqooe wrote:
| I use my computer lying down. Once you discover the utility and
| comfort of this approach, you'll never want to give it up.
| sudosteph wrote:
| Quick question I like to ask to remote workers who have worked in
| office environments before:
|
| Do you find your ergonomics are better or worse since switching
| to working at home? Or the same?
|
| I've heard it both ways, but for me it's been harder to keep up
| healthy ergo habits at home. Not sure if it was peer pressure in
| the office that kept me using my standing desk better or what,
| but I definitely have slipped and my posture is noticeably worse
| lately.
| isoprophlex wrote:
| At home I can fuck off on a walk whenever I want, or do calls
| walking, I have a nice standing desk, the food is always
| healthy, I can take a hot shower when my neck hurts or go on a
| run when fidgety, the chair is always set up correctly if I
| want to sit, there's nice window blinds against glare, there's
| a balcony to inhale fresh air and look in the distance...
|
| Whereas office means trains, so cramped seating and touching a
| laptop, or driving a car thru obnoxious traffic jams. I think
| WFH is much healthier for me.
| sudosteph wrote:
| Ah, the commute may be the thing I'm not accounting for. My
| last office jobs were about a mile walk from my apartment, so
| I actually got more movement and fresh air as part of my
| daily routine. Agreed that car and train time seem less than
| ideal.
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