[HN Gopher] Neurotechnology: Current Developments and Ethical Is...
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Neurotechnology: Current Developments and Ethical Issues
Author : Quinzel
Score : 49 points
Date : 2023-07-22 11:57 UTC (11 hours ago)
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| paraschopra wrote:
| I once went deep into rabbit hole of why neurotechnology
| progresses so slowly.
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| My conclusion was that it's a chicken and egg situation. Tech
| advances depend on what we know about human brain and what we
| know about it is constrained by ethical concerns
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| Here's the full write up
| https://notes.invertedpassion.com/Consciousness/Why+brain-ma...
| coltonv wrote:
| "constrained by ethical concerns" glosses over "chimps that we
| test on die at horrific rates" pretty hard.
| [deleted]
| pmarreck wrote:
| if we are just chemical reactions writ in meatspace, then
| where's the room for "ethical considerations" except as
| performative nod to the illusory problem of pain and death?
|
| /speaking sarcastically about hard materialism, of which I am
| simultaneously a critic but also recommend to be the
| universal null hypothesis
| jschveibinz wrote:
| That is quite the statement, sarcasm aside. I guess I need
| to read more on hard materialism. These sound like folks
| you probably don't want to chat with at a dinner party.
| ChatGTP wrote:
| You don't find enough hard materialists on HN?
| Filligree wrote:
| Not many that are ethically bankrupt.
| [deleted]
| anonymouse008 wrote:
| Nothing will depress you more than showing VCs how those on
| academic probationary can literally lift themselves to academic
| achievement only to be told "people don't care about education"
| "who is actually going to spend money on this" "sounds nice but
| hardware is just too much" "keep in touch" etc ---
|
| This technology is waiting for its Mike Markkula - the person who
| can shepherd neurotech's next generation founders. Without his
| early leap of faith, marketing influence, and savvy capital, I'm
| convinced Apple wouldn't have made it out the garage - who will
| be neurotech's?
| BSEdlMMldESB wrote:
| but transhumanism is ideologically corrupt!
| wslh wrote:
| Neurotechnology involves more stuff that the article depict. It
| shows the author doesn't really know about the topic. One missing
| examples is transcraneal estimulation [1].
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| [1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5180077/
| apienx wrote:
| I haven't read the paper because I consider Frontiers Media a
| shit-tier publisher. Their acceptance rate is 90%. A few
| institutions don't consider their papers when judging the
| performance of researchers. The National Publication Committee of
| Norway doesn't consider their papers to be "academic".
|
| Sorry for attacking the medium rather than the message. I just
| feel that more people need to know about the shady practices of
| Frontiers.
| f6v wrote:
| I think this particular article doesn't look credible. And the
| whole "Opinion" type probably shouldn't be published in
| journals, just post your opinion on Twitter.
|
| That being said, I know for a fact that publically funded
| Norwegian research is published in Frontiers and researchers
| from Norway do consider those to be real academic journals.
| frontalier wrote:
| Nice to see someone is paying attention.
| dr_dshiv wrote:
| There are some great Frontiers journals and plenty of amazing
| papers. Here is some nuance:
|
| "As of 2022, 96 Frontiers journals are listed in the Norwegian
| Scientific Index, two of which are rated 'Level 2' (top 20% of
| all journals in the field), and more than 88 journals has been
| rated "Level 1" (standard). academic journals), 1 journal has a
| rating of Level X (probably predatory), and 5 have a "Level 0"
| (non-academic) rating."
|
| https://academic-accelerator.com/encyclopedia/frontiers-medi...
| BSEdlMMldESB wrote:
| such prejudice, I really really hope you're not an academic
| ethicist
| Wherecombinator wrote:
| Thanks I didn't know that. I've read them with an interest in
| neuroscience. Can anyone suggest a better alternative
| Quinzel wrote:
| You can always check the impact factor of the journal you're
| accessing, and their acceptance rate etc... it can give an
| indication of the credibility of article published, as well
| as the journal.
| etrautmann wrote:
| Pretty much anything in elife or nature communications for
| open access journals, or neuron, nature neuroscience for non
| open access. You can almost always find biorxiv preprints for
| closed access pubs too.
| sylvain_kerkour wrote:
| Neurotechnology is coming way faster than most people expect,
| especially with AR/VR headsets (EEG) and wristbands with
| electrodes (EMG), which are pushed hard by Meta, Apple & co.
|
| I wrote a few notes about it: https://kerkour.com/nobody-cares-
| about-the-metaverse-neurote...
| isaacremuant wrote:
| Some of us didn't budge when entire nations, media, tech and
| security forces were trying to lock us down, denying are
| movement and associatio rights and trying to coerce us into
| taking things that presented no health benefit based on a
| played up risk profile.
|
| We'll be okay not wearing the shit they push. You CAN say no.
| Quinzel wrote:
| I was researching AI-enhanced BCI's a while ago, and this was an
| article I stumbled upon.
| arisbe__ wrote:
| The trend of employing optogenetics and optogenetic-like
| functional tech to this problem I find frightening. And keep in
| mind "opto" isnt just visible light.
|
| The other big idea (which the paper mentions) is the coupling of
| systems being sensed. For example in the medical research they
| now couple fMRI (bloodflow) with EGG (coarse firing activity) and
| also EGG with pulsed ultrasound neuromodulation. This is
| interesting because the metabolic process is almost a "mind if
| its own".
| etrautmann wrote:
| Why is this frightening? Because of the use of viral vectors or
| some implication of interfacing with the brain more
| effectively?
| TaylorAlexander wrote:
| Looks like this should say (2017)
| londons_explore wrote:
| I reckon you could do some cool things with mice and neural
| implants and large language models.
|
| Find a way to semi-automate the process of fitting the neural
| implant, and you should be able to do science a lot faster too.
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