[HN Gopher] 'World of Warcraft' players trick AI-scraping websit...
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'World of Warcraft' players trick AI-scraping website into
publishing nonsense
Author : mikhael
Score : 244 points
Date : 2023-07-21 16:22 UTC (6 hours ago)
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| WhereIsTheTruth wrote:
| Something tells me this is a hidden advertisement for WoW and
| it's upcoming xpac..
|
| I feel like journalism hit a new low every months, and it's not
| going to get better any time soon.. is 'AI' the new 'tech'?
| dylan604 wrote:
| AI is the new journalism. Forget this at your own peril
| minimaxir wrote:
| There is no upcoming expansion for WoW announced. Literally
| everything in the meme post is made up.
| WhereIsTheTruth wrote:
| You must be new to WoW, blizzcon is just around the corner
| brailsafe wrote:
| There's nobody new to WoW, it's a billion years old at this
| point. Not that I'm not tempted to re-sub for the last bit
| of the current patch.
| Al0neStar wrote:
| Last xpac was less than a year ago.
| minimaxir wrote:
| I am currently an active WoW player (just got Keystone Hero
| for the first time this season!)
|
| It is unlikely given the current patch cycle and plot that
| a new expansion is announced this BlizzCon, but definitely
| next year if not before then.
|
| Either way, the argument that the BBC is doing this article
| as a sponsored advertisement is absurd. Other outlets have
| written up this story.
| Cupprum wrote:
| For a minute i thought it was supposed to be Glorzo from Rick and
| Morty. That would be fun, people in WoW running around with
| squids on their faces.
| ac2u wrote:
| Calling it now. Glorbo will be in the next patch.
| caseyf wrote:
| Deleting a now viral post is kind of a weird move from a spam
| site that is probably desperate for traffic
| coffeefirst wrote:
| Yeah. But on the other hand, this is Made For Advertising (MFA)
| content. The worst thing that can happen to it isn't notoriety,
| it's getting on the naughty list with Google or the
| programmatic ad markets. The former can gut its traffic, the
| latter can gut its ability to monetize.
|
| Ironically, it's looking like the war on trash AI content is
| going to be fought by adtech firms who need to plausibly claim
| their customers aren't going to be wasting money on worthless
| inventory.
| MSFT_Edging wrote:
| Can we just make a new internet, and let the ad markets and
| AI fight it out on this internet?
| csense wrote:
| https://gemini.circumlunar.space/
| tofuahdude wrote:
| The jury is definitely still out on whether that content is
| actually worthless inventory to advertisers.
|
| Shit tier websites with "quality" ads (ie something I want to
| click on more) can be very valuable to advertisers.
|
| This fight needs to be fought by search, not ad tech. Ad tech
| has too many perverse incentives.
| PUSH_AX wrote:
| Whatever it is they do for money, people visiting in this
| context are unlikely to convert, taking it down also mitigates
| a little of the reputational damage at least.
| mmanfrin wrote:
| The site is run by a competitive game tournament company
| (that I briefly worked at) and I think eyeballs on the
| article would have actually converted since it's different
| branding.
| robertlagrant wrote:
| > Gaming sites traditionally employ human writers with a deep
| knowledge of the subject
|
| Citation needed.
| jabroni_salad wrote:
| well this is a WoW thread, so I guess icy-veins is the
| citation:
|
| https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/fire-mage-pve-dps-rotation-coo...
|
| All of the guides on this site are written by top-ranked
| players and backed by simulation data. Most of the guides can
| be customized to your character's talent selections and the
| leveling guides let you set your current level so as not to
| show things you don't currently have.
| [deleted]
| bjacobel wrote:
| Gamergate was almost a decade ago. Let it go.
| interestica wrote:
| [flagged]
| lcnPylGDnU4H9OF wrote:
| They didn't say how deep the knowledge is. Puddles have _some_
| depth.
| dylan604 wrote:
| Around here, we say more width than depth when politely
| insulting someone's lack of knowledge. I assume it has
| British influence
| Apocryphon wrote:
| More breadth than depth sounds better.
| dylan604 wrote:
| Breadth isn't a word a cowboy would typically use though
|
| EDIT: after further thought, height isn't a word a cowboy
| would use either. around here, there is a staggeringly
| large number of people that say "width and heighth"
| Apocryphon wrote:
| Ah, well I was factoring in the British influence. I
| could see such a modified phrase being used in an
| academic setting for sniping between intellectuals.
| dylan604 wrote:
| With Breadth, I think you are moving past influence and
| flat out making it British.
| Cpoll wrote:
| But the analogous statement is "puddles are deep."
| lcnPylGDnU4H9OF wrote:
| I don't see the problem. They are deep. Not as deep as a
| lake but they are deep. They are also shallow. Not as
| shallow as a divot made into a sheet of paper (which
| doesn't go all the way through) but they are shallow.
| tekla wrote:
| "IGN writers exciting to start playing game they just finished
| reviewing"
| sharkweek wrote:
| I know you're joking, but I do actually really enjoy a
| handful of their YouTube reviewers, and more than once have
| used their reviews to make a purchase decision for a game.
|
| Only gripe is the kind of always float between 7-8 scores for
| games that really should be ranked lower or higher, but the
| content of the videos are normally good enough outside of the
| score given.
| 19h wrote:
| I was trying to find out about video stabilization options on
| Linux yesterday and stumbled over an article that extremely
| confidently was discussing a tool that's maintained by the
| ,,authors of ffmpeg" ... which surprised me. So I googled it and
| couldn't find it. Then I put the name into quotes and found three
| articles mentioning it, all by the same company.
| worrycue wrote:
| So it's actually starting to happen. LLM generated content
| filled with hallucinations are flooding the web. The internet
| will soon become completely useless as the signal to noise
| ratio plummets until it's practically impossible to sort the
| wheat from the chaff.
|
| That AI transformer paper really is Pandora's Box.
| rpastuszak wrote:
| Haha, I made https://meat-gpt.sonnet.io (the site is my way of
| poking fun at crappy AI startups, I won't spoil how).
|
| Now, one of the biggest sources of traffic for me (ca 70-80% at
| times!) are crappy AI app catalogues which not just include my
| MeatGPT but also hallucinate the most beautifully stupid
| descriptions of what it does.
|
| I couldn't imagine this stuff working better to be fair: taking
| that juicy slab of meat from my site and then proceeding to
| repeatedly slap themselves in the face with it screaming "please
| give me more".
|
| I mean, I love generative art, and built a self-publishing
| medieval content farm[1], but this thing just writes itself,
| across multiple sites.
|
| [1] https://tidings.potato.horse
| getpokedagain wrote:
| Why have you not posted this literally everywhere. meat-got is
| da bomb!
| gochi wrote:
| Every time someone has used an automatically publish feature of
| any type, it always ends poorly. Either personal information gets
| posted they didn't intend, incomprehensible grammatical errors,
| or as in this case completely falsified information gets
| released.
|
| It's a very old lesson we should have learned from newspaper days
| but I guess with how fast people in AI are moving they don't care
| about "old lessons".
|
| Outside of that, it's interesting to see how people try to combat
| and highlight AI platforms. Jokes like these, paywalls, limited
| invites, increasing API costs, and so on. Very interesting times
| for online information.
| pixl97 wrote:
| Old paradigm: A lie can travel halfway around the world before
| the truth can get its boots on
|
| New paradigm: An AI can conquer half the world before the
| killswitch operator can pick their axe up.
| lapetitejort wrote:
| That's why it's important to suspend the axe above the wires
| ahead of time. It's also important to to remind the AI that
| the axe exists. The Axe of dAImocles
| chiph wrote:
| About ten years ago there was an Agile conference that
| published a hashtag where anything that used that tag would
| automatically get shown on the monitors around the building.
| 4chan found out, and well, things went predictably.
|
| Automatic publishing is always going to be vulnerable to
| content poisoning.
| b800h wrote:
| Honestly at this point I'd be unsurprised if the Forbes article
| about the trick was written by AI as well.
| zamadatix wrote:
| I hope the Warcraft developers call some real future addition
| Glorbo now.
| Apocryphon wrote:
| Does Blizzard still do April Fool's jokes? If so they're all
| set for next year.
| rickstanley wrote:
| Yes, but only out of season April fool's jokes.
| Apocryphon wrote:
| Is that a reference to the Diablo Immortal announcement
| rickstanley wrote:
| Yes.
| Crosseye_Jack wrote:
| Do you guys not have phones (to google the reference)?
| jdwithit wrote:
| They aren't as funny and elaborate as they once were, but
| yeah, they still do post something every year. In the early
| days of WoW they used to publish really good fake patch notes
| that were right on the line of credibility with a couple fake
| bombshells mixed in. The forums would melt down with posts
| from people who forgot it was April 1. Good times.
| politelemon wrote:
| The crucial line:
|
| > But again, there's nothing to stop this. These subreddits can't
| only fill themselves with joke articles to screw up a site like
| this, even if this one specific example is good for a laugh.
|
| Most threads will be normal conversations, and reddit (and other
| discussion sites) can serve as a simple way of summarizing and
| generating news for 'free'.
|
| I'm thinking that HN too could serve as a source for tech related
| news, couldn't it? Summarize the target article, then join it up
| with summaries/sentiments of the top comments in the thread. I
| didn't say I'm doing it, but if I could think of it, someone's
| probably way ahead of me already and has tried it.
| lcnPylGDnU4H9OF wrote:
| They can't only do that but they can embarrass someone who's
| passing an AI writer off as human. At minimum, they'll have to
| message in some way that the article was written by AI lest
| this trick is pulled to embarrass an author which was otherwise
| considered to be human.
| pdpi wrote:
| Even if you don't want to just summarise the comments, you can
| view the comments section for most articles as crowd-sourced
| research on the topic. You can easily walk away from most
| interesting discussions here with a shortlist of topical
| articles, books, etc, and often some colour commentary straight
| from the horse's mouth.
| nfjro8 wrote:
| [dead]
| frozenlettuce wrote:
| I created a website that does the following:
|
| - pick HN items with more than 400 votes
|
| - gather their titles in a list
|
| - ask the AI to filter out the ones that are not tech-related
| (bay-area topics, politics)
|
| - scrape selected articles
|
| - write summaries
|
| - publish static website
|
| other sources are reddit subreddits and rss feeds (official
| languages' blogs and github's releases page). The AI is quite
| gullible. That can be avoided by giving it more context and
| having a review step where you make sure that you are enforcing
| your editorial rules. Another thing that I've been wondering is
| having a cheaper model (gpt-turbo-3.5) write articles and then
| use a more sophisticated to review them (gpt4)
| lostlogin wrote:
| > I created a website
|
| I'd really like to see this - any chance we could?
| frozenlettuce wrote:
| It's https://dev-radar.com/, the repository is
| https://github.com/lfarroco/news-radar
| CrazyStat wrote:
| Very difficult to read on mobile.
| frozenlettuce wrote:
| that's true! added some responsive classes to the columns
| frozenlettuce wrote:
| some additional info: this is the prompt that filters
| "candidates" to be scraped: https://github.com/lfarroco/news-
| radar/blob/main/src/candida...
|
| This is the prompt that generates the articles:
| https://github.com/lfarroco/news-
| radar/blob/main/src/writer....
| edavison1 wrote:
| I keep hearing this sentiment on HN and IRL. As a journalist I
| think it misses the mark somewhat by failing to account for the
| value of reporting.
|
| While some news can be generated exclusively from scraping
| Reddit threads or whatever, most decent journalism incorporates
| some form of reporting, i.e. the generation of novel
| information from trusted sources. Even without reporting, if
| you can't add to the store of knowledge in the world by writing
| the article, it doesn't offer any value to consumers or
| advertisers. That includes the the world of SEO spam. An effort
| has to be made to distinguish your work from the competition,
| or else your site isn't winning those top results.
|
| Reddit threads are often just full of emotional responses to
| news already generated in this way. At some point along the
| line, a human has gone out and spoken to another human, forming
| an novel angle or argument, pursuing a line of inquiry,
| connected dots no one else has yet etc. That's news, not a
| summary of existing attitudes.
| Levitz wrote:
| >I keep hearing this sentiment on HN and IRL. As a journalist
| I think it misses the mark somewhat by failing to account for
| the value of reporting.
|
| There is valor added by journalists in even niche sectors. A
| journalist that reports on cars knows about the industry
| itself and can give an informed take on different
| developments, he might know how a car works, he might know
| about different trends in design, or markets, or whatever
| else. That is his added value.
|
| When it comes to videogame journalism, though, they act as
| little more than spokespeople for corporations. They
| generally don't understand the product or how it works
| (mechanically or in terms of design), and in some cases
| aren't even adept at playing videogames themselves. The only
| thing the world would lose if no game journalist ever
| mentioned WoW again and the devs communicated directly with
| the playerbase would be the appearance of impartiality
| journalists give.
| archo wrote:
| https://archive.is/ws3pw
| ynac wrote:
| Exciting! This looks and feels a lot like the counter culture
| experience I had in the 80s as a hacker. The sense of fighting
| The Man may now be taken up against The AI. Well played game
| nerds!
| dylan604 wrote:
| I always like how this just brings to the surface the lack of
| respect the creators of the thing, in this case AI, that it
| will be abused by the public. The public doesn't care how/what
| the devs want it to do. The public cares about what they can
| make it do. See hot rods, overclocking, or any of the millions
| of other examples.
| ehnto wrote:
| Yep, and even if the US regulates it, the public will take it
| underground, and overseas will keep pushing on. The cat is
| out of the bag.
|
| I would still like to see these companies try and fix any
| negative externalities mind you. If they just throw their
| hands up at helping accelerate SEO spam then that'd be
| disappointing.
| dylan604 wrote:
| That's the thing that makes me laugh at the pageantry of
| this time waste. Do people really think that US companies
| are the only ones working on this tech? I love how the US
| still has the notion that the rest of the world gives one
| iota about its "morality" dictates.
| Apocryphon wrote:
| Now that's hacking
| l33t233372 wrote:
| > The public doesn't care how/what the devs want it to do.
| The public cares about what they can make it do
|
| This is _hacker_ news. I don't care about what it was
| "intended" to do either; I care about what it can do when
| pushed to its limits!
| pksebben wrote:
| I feel like we've seen this any time that the tools are new and
| powerful enough - the folks unburdened by hierarchical
| structure can and do move fast, so when there's a sea change
| they can get in there and do some good damage until the
| behemoths catch on and steer their resources towards shoring up
| what they perceive as defects (frequently identified as
| anything that reduces their control over any system or it's
| connected parts).
|
| My hope is that things get faster and more chaotic as we move
| forward. The best stuff happens when the empowered are scrappy
| and in it for the love and not the money.
| [deleted]
| Liquix wrote:
| Link to the scraped post:
| https://snoo.habedieeh.re/r/wow/comments/154umm2/
| TechBro8615 wrote:
| I don't doubt that the redditors caught this company using an AI,
| but frankly the generated text doesn't look that different from
| what an underpaid human would write. I'm sure most of these
| gaming websites have a "content calendar" and "pipelines" for
| paying their outsourced writers $0.80 per word with instructions
| to source new content from relevant subreddits. With AI they've
| just found a way to do it more cheaply.
| olyjohn wrote:
| Great. So now that they can do it more cheaply, they can afford
| to do more of it.
|
| I don't get what's up with this attitude of "It's already shit,
| so it doesn't bother me that AI makes it even shittier."
| monkpit wrote:
| The article quotes the OP saying they hope it gets picked up by
| bot-driven news sites. While it's possible, I don't think a
| human would include that bit.
| falcor84 wrote:
| $0.80 per word is actually really decent money; I'd expect them
| to be paying a lot less.
| dylan604 wrote:
| at first because of the context, I read it as C/0.80 cents
| per word, but my brain got all tripped up over the dollar
| sign. I then started thinking about looking for a way to
| apply for that job. For $0.80 cents per word, I could wax
| poetically for pages upon pages of nonsense. I could even
| make it more beneficial for me by never using more than 2
| syllable words. Using 3+ syllable words would start costing
| me money.
| TechBro8615 wrote:
| Yeah, I think I dropped a zero :) For 80 cents a word I might
| just switch jobs.
| StrictDabbler wrote:
| $0.08-$0.12/word is the rate for a quality short story in a
| moderately respectable science fiction magazine like
| Clarkesworld or Asimov's Science Fiction.
|
| This is also a generally-quoted rate for blogspam.
|
| The blogspam rate will crater in response to ML but still I
| expect the short story to become a dead format. Many good
| ones will be written but there will be nowhere valuable to
| share or find them.
| b800h wrote:
| They'll need to create some sort of reputation system to
| make it work. Alternatively, move back to typewriters and
| not publishing online. AI reversing the internet again.
| furyofantares wrote:
| 80 cents per word sounds amazing, your comment is worth like 50
| bucks at that rate. If it took you half an hour to write you'd
| still be getting a pretty good rate.
| olyjohn wrote:
| It was probably just an example, not meant to be taken
| literally.
| ChrisArchitect wrote:
| More discussion here:
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36815902
| dang wrote:
| We merged that one hither.
| m3kw9 wrote:
| No surprise if LLMs cannot verify because they have no access to
| the actual game. They bet on the data being good
| constantly wrote:
| I don't really play games at all and the only system I own is a
| Nintendo Switch. I played the new Zelda and am really enjoying
| it. When I get stuck or have a question I google it. When I
| google it, I note that the top say 10 sites that answer my
| question all have similarly-formatted articles and also have the
| same mistakes in the answer to the question.
|
| I expect nearly all the sites pointing to Zelda tips or FAQs are
| not original in any way and are instead just regurgitated from
| one another through AI to form a webring of shit.
|
| At least I use ad blockers and block JavaScript so they don't get
| some ad revenue.
| BasedAnon wrote:
| The only system I own is a PS2, the greatest console of all
| time is still going strong in 2023
| mikepurvis wrote:
| Undoubtedly it had many hits, but a lot of the greats have
| also since been remastered and can be enjoyed on newer
| platforms with HD graphics and modernized controls.
| BasedAnon wrote:
| There's a certain point where I just stop caring about
| further improvements honestly. My belly is full and I am
| satisfied.
| RGamma wrote:
| On Kagi I just block that shit since it's relatively obvious.
| Some trustworthy sites in this space are gamefaqs(!) and IGN
| (and game magazines and others I can't recall now).
| ericmcer wrote:
| It's identical to cooking websites. Take the actual ~100 words
| of relevant info and stretch it into a 10000 word article with
| 20 ads on it
| greggsy wrote:
| I noticed the same thing with Zelda. The marketability of game
| FAQs was realised up to a decade ago, but AI content
| generators, optimised by time-honoured SEO, has evidently
| accelerated the time to market for new platforms.
|
| The success of TOTK, and the availability of articles and
| Reddit posts has made it ripe for the picking.
| ehnto wrote:
| Yep, game wikis and guides have been a cesspool of SEO bullshit
| for a little while now. I guess there's money in the ads.
|
| I find it hard to believe Google doesn't have the data required
| to figure out which sites should be getting domain authority,
| but I understand it's an antagonistic and ongoing battle
| between SEO spam and search engines.
| p3rls wrote:
| I have a platform for kpop at kpopping.com
|
| The top domain for almost every result in my niche is a
| shitty wordpress with centered text on a purple background.
| It makes about $10-15k a month even with its lackluster
| content. It's had spyware ads and porn ads. Still #1 for
| every query.
|
| The funny part is, bing, ddg are even worse. Welcome to
| webapps in 2023.
| derriz wrote:
| Yeah I don't get it - without search dominance google's
| entire business model is highly vulnerable. Why have they
| allowed search quality to stagnate while pouring billions
| into random tech areas where they have little competitive
| advantage?
|
| Nobody wants to see a page of copies/duplicates by SEO rank.
| I recall years ago there was, for a while, a similar issue
| with Wikipedia clones but that problem was addressed. Not
| just games, recipes, but music lyrics, chords, etc - googling
| almost evert niche interest is rife with it.
| autoexec wrote:
| > without search dominance google's entire business model
| is highly vulnerable.
|
| I think the massive amounts of data collected by android
| devices while we're not using the internet and all the data
| collected by chrome while we are browsing means that Google
| no longer needs to mine our internet searches to collect
| the most intimate details of our daily lives. That's why
| Google no longer cares about investing time and money into
| making their search useful for us.
|
| In fact, it's better for Google if a company's customers
| can't find their website due to all the spam because it
| means that company now has to pay Google to place an ad at
| the top of search results in order to be seen at all.
| skywhopper wrote:
| Google earns money on all the ads on all those trash
| websites. So their immediate incentive is to drive traffic
| to them regardless of the longer-term reputation cost.
| 0cf8612b2e1e wrote:
| >... understand it's an antagonistic and ongoing battle
| between SEO spam and search engines
|
| On the other hand, those Stack Overflow clones get top
| billing all the time. I do not think this is a data problem,
| but an incentives issue. More ads=good
| DistractionRect wrote:
| Indeed. And if you have to click through a couple of
| results to find an actual answer, they get ad revenue X
| times over answering your question with the first result.
|
| There was a time when Google Search would nearly always
| nail it with the first result, but now it feels like you
| have to wade through several results and be a prompt
| engineer to find relevant results.
| dekervin wrote:
| I use google out of habit. Bing is better and always find
| the exact result I was searching on google.
| CrazyStat wrote:
| Recipes sites too. Recently I was looking at recipes for a
| dish I wanted to try and noticed that two blogs had identical
| recipes for "Grandma's X". I scrolled back up to the
| obligatory five page essay and those were almost identical
| too--one of them had clearly stolen the story from the other
| and run it through one of those AI "paraphrase" tools to
| change words here and there. It was pretty easy to tell which
| was the original and which the copycat based on some strange
| word choices in the paraphrased version.
| JohnFen wrote:
| Yeah, I don't search the web for recipes, ever. There's no
| point. I just have a couple of big recipe sites I hit up
| when I need a new one, instead.
| renewiltord wrote:
| That's the old pre-AI tools. They just thesaurus
| substitute.
| liveoneggs wrote:
| Recipes have been one application that OpenAI/ChatGPT is
| actually really good at. No ads, interactive
| substitutions/scaling/conversions.
| Baeocystin wrote:
| "hey bot, I have {foodstuffs} available, I need to make
| dinner for n people. Give me some options in the x style"
|
| Probably one of my most-used prompts, and it's batting
| close to 1.000.
|
| Every now and then it will make a mistake, like
| forgetting the salt, putting a step in the wrong order,
| or the like, but far less often than you'd think. If you
| already have even a middling amount of kitchen
| experience, it's a fantastic use case.
| itscrush wrote:
| It does get deeper than just your mentioned surface level of
| served ads.
|
| Many of those wiki ecosystems are used to view-pump twitch
| channels with embedded players, such as Fextralife's webring
| of wikis being bought up and built up, and don't forget those
| "1-feature VIP memberships".
| iamacyborg wrote:
| Google get paid for the SEO spam though as those sites always
| run Google Ads.
| botulidze wrote:
| > I guess there's money in the ads.
|
| I owned a basic wordpress site with some guides written
| during COVID for a couple of popular (at that time) mobile
| games. It appeared in top 3 searches for the <game name> +
| <guide/event/best ...> combination.
|
| Ad revenue was around ~$100 per month peaking around ~$150 at
| the new content drops. I have abandoned the website since,
| but it still is generating $100 here and there without me
| actively working on it for the past 2 years.
|
| To the point - yes, there's lot of money if you own a network
| of similar websites. My competitors were paying $10-30 per
| guide submitted on their website because a few guides could
| easily get paid off in a couple of months from ad revenue and
| keep generating it years afer.
|
| I could write more detailed story if someone's interested.
| iamawacko wrote:
| I'd be interested in something like a blog post about this
| bombcar wrote:
| Perhaps a guide? Might make $100/mo!
| Arrath wrote:
| I mourn the lost era of GameFAQs and rad ASCII art at the
| head of pure text walkthroughs.
|
| Now we have 45 minute youtube videos of "100 new player tips
| and tricks for Red Dead 2!"
| jcpst wrote:
| There are people I know where I try to remember how we met,
| and it'd be because of some obscure corner of the gamefaqs
| forum.
| lelanthran wrote:
| But they do know. They are incentiviswd to send you to the
| sites with the most ads, not the site which is most relevant,
| because they make a ton money off those spam sites and less
| of dedicated fan sites.
|
| At some point I'm gonna say fuck it and simply maintain my
| own list of searchable links, which score each ad with a
| single negative point, and each relevant keyword or phrase
| with a single positive point.
| mschuster91 wrote:
| Oh Google certainly _could_ moderate their search results or
| augment them with human knowledge. They 'd need a dozen
| people per country, at most, for such a task. The problem is,
| Google is already threading a very fine line regarding anti-
| competition and bias especially in Europe... and say, they
| would choose "Computer BILD" (a German tabloid) over Heise or
| Golem (actually respectable media), or the other way around -
| the outcry would be massive and so would the coming lawsuits.
|
| Instead, it's better for Google to let the search go to utter
| dog shit, blame issues on "algorithms" and get sites to _pay_
| to play with ads.
| duxup wrote:
| What I find amusing is that even when ChatGPT responds to my
| gaming questions I find the response to be unusually wordy with
| a surprisingly heavy into paragraph before it answers my simple
| question.
|
| Very similar to those few advertisement sites with a huge block
| of wonky into text taking forever to get to the answer.
| yieldcrv wrote:
| add reddit to the end of your search query
| nancyhn wrote:
| You're spot on in noticing the phenomenon of 'content spinning'
| across gaming websites - it's an industry-wide issue as the
| internet becomes oversaturated with information. Despite this,
| even repackaged content can help players find solutions to
| gaming challenges. Still, it's crucial to encourage these sites
| to uphold content originality and properly credit their
| sources.
|
| The balance between user experience and content monetization is
| a tough one, given that many of these sites rely on ad revenue.
| Ad-blockers and JavaScript blocking can affect their financial
| sustainability. For more original discussions about the game,
| I'd suggest Reddit or game-specific forums, which often foster
| more engaged communities. If you're up for it, your keen
| observations could be invaluable in writing unique content on
| Zelda.
| mvdtnz wrote:
| If I was dang I would permanently ban every user who did this
| stupid bit of posting chatgpt crap in threads about chatgpt.
| It's not funny, it's not clever, it's just obnoxious.
| nekoashide wrote:
| Or pay to buy a trusty AI to help you
| sushid wrote:
| Absolutely, 'content spinning' in gaming is an issue, but it
| can still aid players. Encouraging original content and
| source acknowledgement is critical. Balancing user experience
| and ad revenue is tough for gaming sites. For unique
| discussions, try platforms like Reddit or game-specific
| forums. Your insights could greatly enrich Zelda content
| creation
| n42 wrote:
| Why is this comment so obviously written by ChatGPT?
| ShamelessC wrote:
| Satire right? They're doing what the game strategy sites
| are accused of? I don't know.
| n42 wrote:
| Probably -- it's just weird how much of an identifiable
| "voice" ChatGPT has
| booleandilemma wrote:
| I wonder if it's the textual equivalent of looking at an
| "average face"?
|
| Is ChatGPT just blending all its sources together into a
| wall of text that always looks the same?
|
| https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Example-of-average-
| face-...
| hinkley wrote:
| The other problem with static sites is that it's trivial for
| some jerkface to copy your content and repost it. The first
| case of that I heard about was almost 20 years ago when it
| happened to a friend. The social circle of the subject matter
| was small enough that she could name and shame to get it taken
| down. Today I don't know what you could do.
| omeze wrote:
| Yea, its tragic. When I was a kid I would often just go to
| GameFAQs because that was the only real source, and the guides
| would be surfaced in google. Its still around but Google gives
| me 20 crappy ad riddled sites that require a new page click,
| listicle-style, to get through a 5 minute area
| Nexxxeh wrote:
| Slightly off-topic, but sorta related.
|
| ToTK straight up sucks for accessibility, cognitive and sensory
| stuff especially.
|
| I find myself using the ZD TotK map more often than I'd like:
|
| https://www.zeldadungeon.net/tears-of-the-kingdom-interactiv...
|
| And trying to remember what specific enemies are where is not
| fun for me. Is it fun for anyone? The Compendium doesn't keep
| track of them when you fight, despite the fact they respawn
| every blood moon.
|
| I want another Savage Lynel Bow. Where did I see that Silver
| Lynel? I can't remember, but I'm not hunting it all across the
| map hoping for the vague ping of my Purah Pad sensor when I'm
| already on top of one. Should I be making my own notes as well?
|
| The log is a great idea, but there's lots of stuff it doesn't
| capture. The quest descriptions often aren't sufficient and
| markers are often the person that started the quest. Great(!)
|
| I appreciate the subtitles, but why is so much of the game
| unvoiced?
|
| Not a concern for me as I'm playing on PC, but why no button
| mapping?
|
| Even with internal FSR and AA disabled so it doesn't
| occasionally dip to smeared potato quality, it can be hard to
| spot things if you don't know explicitly where to look, even
| for hawkish eyesight. The Ultrahand glow can help, but it's a
| rubbish solution.
|
| No colour blind settings. WTAF.
|
| There are so many missed opportunities to make this amazing
| game vastly more accessible. Nintendo has made it clear they
| don't care about accessibility. It's a real shame, because
| accessibility makes things better for everyone.
| jabroni_salad wrote:
| Do you not use the map stamps?
| Nexxxeh wrote:
| I do. But there are only ten different ones and they don't
| tell you what thing you've stamped. So if you're stamping
| enemies, which one is "skull"?
|
| Why doesn't the game do this, it obviously knows what
| enemies are where? If you've already encountered them, why
| not just let you filter that enemy on the map?
|
| Even if it made you take a photo like it does for the
| compendium, that'd be better than the "sometimes vague
| locations" we have now. Why not list map locations of that
| enemy for all enemies in the compendium? Or at least the
| special ones like Lynels, Hinox, Talus etc?
| brvsft wrote:
| > Not a concern for me as I'm playing on PC...
|
| > No colour blind settings. WTAF.
|
| Do color blind settings through the OS work for gaming, or
| does the game have to be designed to accomodate to them in
| some manner?
| noitpmeder wrote:
| The game usually needs to implement their own handling and
| color shifts.
| llm_nerd wrote:
| Weird article. The way it vilifies what this site does --
| aggregating and summarizing social media activity -- but then
| _does exactly the same thing_ is hilarious irony, and perfectly
| encapsulates the anti-AI contradiction.
|
| Similarly, it celebrates that some random site published wrong
| information, when the cause was a subreddit publishing wrong
| information. e.g. Some rando happening into that sub would be
| just as misled.
|
| All in all, very silly.
| minimaxir wrote:
| > Similarly, it celebrates that some random site published
| wrong information, when the cause was a subreddit publishing
| wrong information.
|
| If any legitimate journalism outlet posted wrong information,
| it would be the fault of the outlet and _immediately_ be
| retracted with a profuse apology.
| msla wrote:
| I think we all know that doesn't occur.
|
| Retractions are printed in small type on an inside page, if
| at all. That's been the rule for decades, if not centuries.
| llm_nerd wrote:
| "Legitimate journalism outlet"
|
| It's some crappy gaming app that aggregates "news". Who
| cares? This is such a meaningless bit of outrage about
| nothing of any consequence at all, beyond "AI will not
| replace us!" luddism.
|
| I think it's a bit hilarious that you work for Buzzfeed. The
| single and only reason I am aware of Buzzfeed's existence is
| that they endlessly post listicles that are simply
| aggregating reddit posts, tweets, etc.
| minimaxir wrote:
| > Who cares?
|
| The people Googling information about World of Warcraft who
| are getting misinformation.
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