[HN Gopher] Social media is too much for most of us to handle
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       Social media is too much for most of us to handle
        
       Author : Brajeshwar
       Score  : 87 points
       Date   : 2023-07-21 16:07 UTC (6 hours ago)
        
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       | l3x4ur1n wrote:
       | I used to use Facebook a lot. It knew me, always recommended
       | stuff I'd be interested in and I sometimes spent hours on
       | Facebook and not even realizing it, only after I finished and
       | then I'd feel guilty about it. The same shit next day.
       | 
       | I quit all social media 3 years ago. I don't visit them daily
       | anymore. I visit Facebook only with a purpose to check something
       | specific when I need it in one of the groups (in my country
       | reddit or Twitter is not popular, we have Facebook groups for
       | everything) and I almost never check the feed. When I do I
       | realize I changed so much in those three years Facebook no longer
       | knows me and the stuff it recommends is not interesting anymore.
       | 
       | I don't miss any of it. Yeah, sometimes I don't get what
       | colleagues are talking about, but it's not important. I have more
       | time on my hands to do anything else.
        
       | zingababba wrote:
       | Haven't been on any social media platform since I deleted my
       | Facebook account in 2004. My exposure consists entirely of
       | following links to Tweets. Even during this small exposure I'm
       | blown away by how much of a cesspool it is, it's like I can smell
       | it through my screen.
        
       | cajunboi34213 wrote:
       | I believe the responsibility falls on you to moderate yourself
       | (not some organization like govt to set rules for everyone). But
       | I know it's hard. Time limits on iPhone were not enough for me.
       | But https://one-sec.app/ really helped... Forcing me to pause for
       | 10 seconds every time was pretty much all it took...
        
         | Aerbil313 wrote:
         | You're in a war with the entire adtech industry. Most people
         | simply can't win this war. Only solution I know of is hard bans
         | with screen time passwords you personally don't know.
        
       | thenerdhead wrote:
       | There are many problems that people like Adam Curtis try to
       | document.
       | 
       | What is interesting is that everyone agrees this is the norm, but
       | not many believe there's a way to reform or change the status
       | quo. The author doesn't even talk about the easiest solution of
       | not participating. They simply move to a new platform and think
       | their problems are gone.
        
       | HDMI_Cable wrote:
       | To anyone who's quit social media: how? I find that whenever I
       | try, I always end up re-downloading Instagram, going back to
       | Reddit, or browsing HN...
        
       | mistermann wrote:
       | > It isn't clear to me how anyone can have that many voices in
       | their head without challenging their mental health a bit - or
       | more than a bit. Looking out onto a world filled with QAnoners
       | and COVID-deniers and worse, it's becoming obvious that "social"
       | media has driven a fair few people well beyond the bounds of
       | reason.
       | 
       | An unsurprising artifact of excessive propaganda consumption, and
       | a plausible hint at why things never get better even when so many
       | people _on both sides_ want just that.
        
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       | nh23423fefe wrote:
       | > In 2008, I formed a hypothesis that everyone has something to
       | teach you, so the more connected you are, the more you should be
       | able to learn.
       | 
       | > By the middle of 2017, despite a string of successes in my
       | life, I felt continually depressed.
       | 
       | > I had learned what it meant to be hyperconnected: always
       | knowing too much about the thoughts and feelings of too many
       | people. It meant terrible mental health.
       | 
       | > What happened to me has happened to hundreds of millions of
       | others.
       | 
       | Not persuasive. News junkie inhales beheading videos and feels
       | sad. What humans did this person connect to and learn from? "I'm
       | depressed. It's gotta be twitter's fault"
        
         | arp242 wrote:
         | > News junkie inhales beheading videos
         | 
         | That's very specific, and I have no idea how you read that in
         | the article.
        
         | JimtheCoder wrote:
         | I think that might be a vast oversimplification of what a lot
         | of people experience...
        
       | SN76477 wrote:
       | Odd that these were my exact thoughts just a few weeks ago. Im
       | glad to see the idea making the rounds.
        
       | spread_love wrote:
       | I went dark and lost touch with a lot of friends and family. I
       | was just keeping up with their life by Liking posts instead of,
       | you know, calling them.
        
       | simonbarker87 wrote:
       | I have been very connected over the past 2 years, growing a
       | coding focussed Instagram to 100K followers. The past 6 months I
       | have radically stepped back and boy do I feel better.
       | 
       | For me the issue was the drip, drip, drip of every social cause
       | there is. I care and an empathetic about all of them but seeing a
       | mention of x, y and z every few minutes gets wearing. You feel
       | like you can't enjoy things.
       | 
       | My over active brain churns on the topics constantly, looking at
       | all sides and view points regardless of if I want to think about
       | the topic.
       | 
       | Far from being a highlights reel of other people's lives social
       | media has become a reel of everyones opinions (positive and
       | negative on every topic and social cause/injustice) and it's
       | exhausting.
        
         | bingemaker wrote:
         | Hey, what is your IG handle?
        
         | _Algernon_ wrote:
         | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okq0hj1IMlo
        
         | theGnuMe wrote:
         | Right but you are on the sell side and not on the buy side.
         | Growing your 100K followers requires work and requires you to
         | stay up to date and follow the market.
         | 
         | But you are right, the buy side of it can be exhausting outside
         | of your niche. Especially if it isn't giving you anything back.
        
       | dustedcodes wrote:
       | Social media is definitely very toxic. The best evidence is the
       | rise in misogyny and homophobia in the last few years and how
       | social media has made so many people doubt basic biology and
       | science.
        
         | mixmastamyk wrote:
         | > the rise in misogyny and homophobia
         | 
         | As someone who did battle online with 12-yo boys in the 90s,
         | there's no "rise". Just kids and other immatures being trolls
         | on purpose. Best not to let it bother you. It isn't real for
         | the most part and most will outgrow it.
         | 
         | Sounds like another good reason to keep minors offline until
         | they mature a little.
        
           | marcod wrote:
           | There is a big difference if it's immature kids and a few
           | trolls vs elected officials legitimizing this toxic shit.
           | Another thing that contributes to the rise is traditional and
           | social media, amplifying the controversies.
        
       | i8comments wrote:
       | It is popular and engaging for social media to paradoxically tell
       | you to stop using social media. (How would I hear about it
       | without social media?)
       | 
       | Avoid emotional dumps, empathy traps, traumatizing stuff and info
       | noise, and you'll be fine.
        
         | Aerbil313 wrote:
         | > Avoid emotional dumps, empathy traps, traumatizing stuff and
         | info noise, and you'll be fine.
         | 
         | Indeed. Very easy thing to do, in fact everyone can do it!
         | Don't let those luddites tell you majority of the population is
         | regardless addicted. Just ignore all those shiny posts tailored
         | exactly to your reward mechanisms by a trillion dollar sector.
         | If I can avoid, so can you. Just Avoid It, bro! You must try
         | it, so easy!
        
       | Mizoguchi wrote:
       | Wine is too much for us to handle. I know because I drank 5
       | bottles last night and it was damaging to my health.
        
       | seatac76 wrote:
       | Reddit killing Apollo and Twitter requiring login basically ended
       | my daily scrolling and I've been noticeably feeling better. I do
       | agree that social media is probably a net negative.
       | 
       | But to stay connected I've switched to reading long form essays
       | and books. Also I've realized that reading a financial website is
       | a happy medium, they tend to cover the most important news
       | without too much sensationalism.
        
       | azinman2 wrote:
       | I have a friend who told me he's 6 months "media sober." No
       | social media, streaming services, crossword puzzle apps, news,
       | podcasts, porn, even no movie theatres. He says he feels less
       | angry, still is told the more important things by friends, and
       | has more energy to put into causes that matter to him.
       | 
       | I think there's something to be said for a middle ground, but
       | it's in no company's interest to provide it. They all want more
       | engagement. Maybe we need some kind of non-profit media
       | aggregator that gives you just the small drip you need and that's
       | it.
        
         | nomel wrote:
         | In iOS you can set up screen time. I recently set it up for a
         | limited amount of time every day, and had someone else set the
         | passcode/recovery.
         | 
         | Once I cut myself off, it's been really _sad_ how often I end
         | up looking at a  "time limit" message, without really
         | consciously opening the app. Not having the availability is
         | like freeing a constantly tense part of my mind.
        
         | matisseverduyn wrote:
         | > Maybe we need some kind of non-profit media aggregator that
         | gives you just the small drip you need and that's it.
         | 
         | I think you'd like news.ycombinator.com (also called Hacker
         | News or HN). What's nice is that the news titles on the home
         | page give you the exact slow drip you're looking for. If you
         | want to participate in a discussion, then there's a comment
         | section, but if you just want to read more, you can click
         | directly through to the article without seeing any comments at
         | all.
        
           | azinman2 wrote:
           | The sarcasm is against HN's guidelines. But I'll still reply:
           | 
           | HN is niche in topic. It only provides a small slice of media
           | that I could consume. Imagine something a little more akin to
           | Twitter, but small and not endless. It can be interest
           | focused, social from friends, links to long form content like
           | movies/podcasts, etc.
           | 
           | I think News Minimalist does a great job, and is in this
           | spirit with really good summaries. I learned about it from
           | HN. That and the economist daily headlines both give me
           | paragraph sized insights into global news in a very helpful
           | way.
        
         | DHPersonal wrote:
         | > He says he feels less angry, still is told the more important
         | things by friends, and has more energy to put into causes that
         | matter to him.
         | 
         | One should definitely weigh the value of a particular news
         | outlet or social media service toward one's daily life, because
         | it's definitely true that much of what these outlets offer is
         | not of great value to anyone, but I dislike this sequestering
         | approach. It views the process of taking in news as a miserable
         | experience, but then goes on to encourage us all to offload
         | that misery to another person to act as a curator. What happens
         | then seems to be a siloing of misery, dooming minority groups
         | to being exploited without any way of getting that message out
         | to a larger audience, because only those who are actually
         | affected by that particular bit of news will hear of it after
         | the multiple layers of curation filter it out from the general
         | audience.
        
         | JKCalhoun wrote:
         | This happens for people that through-hike the PCT for a 6-month
         | stint. I envy.
        
         | abhayhegde wrote:
         | I somehow wish there was a good-hearted effort from some
         | government in establishing a low-key social media. But, again,
         | a government could be biased but my point was that only such an
         | organization could bear to go non-profit at such scales.
        
           | azinman2 wrote:
           | There's no trust in gov for most of the world, and it would
           | likely be not so great. The right ppl aren't motivated to
           | work for gov.
        
             | _Algernon_ wrote:
             | There are some countries that have reasonably well
             | functioning public broadcasting. A social media run
             | according to that same model (publicly funded but editorial
             | independence) could work.
        
         | bamfly wrote:
         | > news
         | 
         | Following news, especially outside the very-local, has _very
         | nearly_ zero value for most people. It 's a hobby with about
         | the same value as watching a daily soap opera, that we fool
         | ourselves into thinking is important.
         | 
         | "But, informed voters!" the voter who spends a few minutes a
         | day reading relevant _non-fiction books_ --history, poli-sci,
         | statistics, marketing/PR, political philosophy, economics, and
         | so on--rather than the news, and just pokes their head up to
         | look at the news & candidates' messages for a few minutes right
         | before each election, is going to be a _way_ better voter than
         | one who puts the same amount of time into mass news media, and
         | skips the books. Wildly better. Incomparably better. Hell,
         | someone who does _neither_ might well be better than the one
         | immersed in mass news media daily or weekly. It. Is. Not.
         | Important. Or. Valuable.
         | 
         | (separately, _having_ a strong news media is important... so,
         | IDK, pay for a paper that does good investigative journalism,
         | but rarely read it? This part 's tricky, and arguably one of
         | the great problems of democracy)
         | 
         | FYI everyone also votes backwards from how they should. If
         | you're going to ignore elections, ignore the big ones, and
         | attend the ones for local candidates and issues and school
         | boards and such--the more local, the more your vote matters,
         | and the effect is _large_. If you want to make a difference in
         | a Presidential election, it 's far more effective to
         | participate in the primary or caucus and stay home on election
         | day, than to do the opposite. Yet voter behavior is reversed on
         | all this.
        
           | Thoeu388 wrote:
           | Maybe you are just reading garbage sources. News I read, are
           | somehow magically able to predict future 4 years ahead.
           | Predicting future has a huge value.
        
             | garrickvanburen wrote:
             | Can you recommend some sources?
        
               | classified wrote:
               | A crystal ball?
        
             | bamfly wrote:
             | > > for most people
             | 
             | If you're able to e.g. turn the news into money or other
             | real advantages, or desirable (to you, at least) outcomes
             | that wouldn't have been possible otherwise, you're one of
             | ones who aren't covered by "most".
        
           | 65 wrote:
           | I wonder... would it matter if I didn't know who the
           | president of the United States was? Would that affect my life
           | in any way?
        
             | temphnacct wrote:
             | I watched a YT video [0] where a man gets to record his
             | time in a Swartzentruber Amish home and they didn't know
             | who the president was. It didn't seem to impact their lives
             | at all.
             | 
             | [0] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JJKKkETuI4
        
           | pharrington wrote:
           | I'm gonna go out on a limb and assume that you're not a
           | woman.
        
             | bamfly wrote:
             | It's not about the scope of the power of the elected
             | official, it's that the effect of a presidential vote may
             | as well be zero--it's about the power of the vote. A vote
             | for, say, school board may _also_ have near-zero power, but
             | is nonetheless thousands of times greater. A vote in a
             | presidential primary is also far more likely to have any
             | effect whatsoever, than a vote in the general, both because
             | it 's smaller and because decisions there determine the
             | entire course of the rest of the campaign, and of the
             | general election.
             | 
             | I care plenty about reproductive rights, FWIW, if that's
             | what you're getting at. It's nonetheless the case that a
             | person who votes (only) in one local or state election
             | every four years is doing their civic duty better than
             | someone who votes (only) in every presidential election--
             | but voter participation patterns treat the presidential
             | vote like it's the very most important one to get to. Most
             | people stay home for some elections, and from a how-best-
             | to-spend-my-limited-time-and-effort perspective, most of
             | them are getting it wrong ( _unless_ you factor in other
             | things, like how much social pressure there is to go to
             | vote for president vs. how much there is to get to the
             | polls for other elections).
        
               | voltaireodactyl wrote:
               | You present voting in federal/local elections as one or
               | the other -- why not seek to participate in both as an
               | informed citizen? I'm confused why one seems to preclude
               | the other in your statement.
        
               | bamfly wrote:
               | A whole lot of people in-fact only turn out for the "big"
               | votes, is the problem.
        
               | voltaireodactyl wrote:
               | I get that, but a solution to that problem -- on my mind
               | -- doesn't involve people voting less regularly in
               | Federal elections, but rather getting folks to vote more
               | regularly in local elections. Separating the two seems
               | arbitrary -- federal elections have more money behind
               | them than local, so awareness is greater. That's a
               | solvable problem, and one we've seen tremendous gains on
               | in the last 15 years.
               | 
               | Which is to say, I think the "pay less attention" advice,
               | while popular and relaxing a decade ago for certain
               | demographics, inexorably led us to a place where vast
               | segments of the populace haven't been paying attention,
               | and assumed "both sides are the same", and now we're in a
               | real pickle, Federal policy-wise.
        
               | bamfly wrote:
               | > I get that, but a solution to that problem -- on my
               | mind -- doesn't involve people voting less regularly in
               | Federal elections, but rather getting folks to vote more
               | regularly in local elections. Separating the two seems
               | arbitrary -- federal elections have more money behind
               | them than local, so awareness is greater. That's a
               | solvable problem, and one we've seen tremendous gains on
               | in the last 15 years.
               | 
               | I'm not saying "avoid voting in some elections", I'm
               | saying the voters who only turn out for the big ones
               | probably have some wrong ideas about where their time and
               | attention is most-effectively spent, and which bubbles
               | they fill out on the ballot or taps they make on the
               | screen are most important. How many can tell you one
               | thing about any state judge, say, (for states that elect
               | judges) on that presidential ballot, but can rattle off
               | all kinds of crap about both major presidential
               | candidates? Priorities are skewed the wrong way. It's
               | just an observation about how voter attention tends to be
               | focused on the wrong things. That top-line vote every
               | four years matters more for getting people out for the
               | down-ballot, than it does _per se_.
               | 
               | > inexorably led us to a place where vast segments of the
               | populace haven't been paying attention, and assumed "both
               | sides are the same", and now we're in a real pickle,
               | Federal policy-wise.
               | 
               | I don't think paying less attention _to the news_ gets us
               | there. Plenty of folks I know who hold that ( _deeply_
               | silly)  "both sides" opinion pay a lot more attention to
               | the news than I ever have, certainly.
               | 
               | Again, I think we'd be better-served, and have a better
               | electorate, if those folks mostly stopped watching the
               | news and started reading more books. However, I admit
               | that this is impractical to apply broadly, as a huge
               | proportion of US adults can't profitably read even
               | slightly-complex non-fiction texts and get much out of
               | them--but for an individual not in that cohort of barely-
               | readers, it might be a good change to make, if one of
               | their reasons for following the news so much is to "be a
               | better voter & citizen". More books, less news (very
               | little, infrequently, possibly except local news).
        
               | pharrington wrote:
               | If I'm understanding you, you are saying that who becomes
               | the president does actually matter alot.
               | 
               | Every four years, the presidential election is on the
               | same ballot as all the other local elections. You are
               | advocating for voting, and you're not advocating for
               | leaving the presidential vote blank on the ballot. If
               | you're frustrated with having little power to make very
               | important decisions, that is more than understandable.
               | 
               | However, you can only consider the effect of a
               | presidential vote to be zero if you also consider the
               | derivative in calculus to be zero. In terms of the
               | presidential eletion, we aren't voting as individuals,
               | we're voting _as a state_. Your vote matters.
        
               | bamfly wrote:
               | > Every four years, the presidential election is on the
               | same ballot as all the other local elections.
               | 
               | Yes--but a lot of people skip most or all other votes,
               | including some more-local ones that usually _aren 't_
               | part of that vote. I'm saying placing so much importance
               | on voting for president is misguided.
               | 
               | > However, you can only consider the effect of a
               | presidential vote to be zero if you also consider the
               | derivative in calculus to be zero. In terms of the
               | presidential eletion, we aren't voting as individuals,
               | we're voting as a state. Your vote matters.
               | 
               | I'm... gonna stop addressing this point in public here,
               | for reasons unrelated to what's correct. It's one of
               | those topics probably better avoided outside small
               | circles due to what amount to, I suppose, marketing
               | reasons, if you will. Probably shouldn't have brought it
               | up.
               | 
               | Let it be known that I never claimed it's _bad_ to vote
               | in a presidential election. Everyone should definitely go
               | vote any time they can, especially those in a forum where
               | they 're statistically more likely than average to vote
               | the way I would. Every vote is extremely important.
        
           | civilitty wrote:
           | Anyone who really wants to stay informed need only to glance
           | at the Wikipedia current events portal [1] once a week. Any
           | global event of any note will show up there with very little
           | sensationalism.
           | 
           | [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Current_events
        
             | jebarker wrote:
             | Thanks - this is a great suggestion
        
             | dv35z wrote:
             | Great suggestion. I use this as my default news page.
        
           | jen729w wrote:
           | After doom-scrolling Covid through all of 2020, I decided to
           | quit the news.
           | 
           | As of 1 Jan 2021 I haven't visited a news website. I never
           | watched TV news anyway (I don't have broadcast/cable).
           | Sometimes the news drifts through from the radio, and if
           | someone sends me a thing I'm not religious about not opening
           | it. But, basically, no news.
           | 
           | I haven't missed it at all, and I do feel better. I have
           | little clue what's going on in the world and I don't really
           | care. What was I going to do about it anyway?
           | 
           | I still browse social media. I've 90% switched to Mastodon
           | from Twitter, which is just nicer. Simpler. More personal. HN
           | is my main 'browsing to kill time' site, and I'm looking
           | forward to an upcoming holiday so I can break this habit a
           | little.
           | 
           | Though I do now realise it's all or nothing. You're either
           | in, in which case you are _in_ , or you're out. That's why
           | making it a resolution-style quitting -- I remember the date
           | -- really helps. I'm on a run now, and I'd ruin that by
           | visiting one news site even once. All temptation has now
           | gone, thanks to time.
           | 
           | The news cycle is relentless and mostly pointless. Ditching
           | it has absolutely been a benefit to my mental state.
        
             | Loquebantur wrote:
             | Any authoritarian regime would love a populace with such
             | self-absorbed opinions devoid of any regard for
             | consequences in the long run.
             | 
             | Awareness of events with geopolitical consequences might
             | not immediately affect your diet or whatever you "truly"
             | care about. It sure as hell is a world of difference when
             | it comes to making judgements that span more than a couple
             | weeks.
             | 
             | Living in a state of relative decadence, when circumstances
             | allow for life to become seemingy routine and change a
             | scarcity precipitates times when that is very different.
        
               | jen729w wrote:
               | If the news presented me the "events with geopolitical
               | consequences" it might be a different story.
               | 
               | Let's visit my reputable local paper's home page. I live
               | in the capital of Australia so this should be fairly
               | geopolitical.
               | 
               | - New economic partnership between my country and my
               | territory. Fine.
               | 
               | - 'Party bonfire explosion lucky not to kill someone.'
               | 
               | - 200 new homes planned for a suburb up the road.
               | 
               | - Gossip on some agency moving to some other place.
               | 
               | - Commentary on an upcoming vote. I know how I'll vote,
               | I'll vote 'yes' because I'm not a racist. I don't need
               | the news for that.
               | 
               | - A pub changes ownership after 38 years. I'll remind you
               | that I'm on the front page of the Canberra Times.
               | 
               | - Rugby news.
               | 
               | I feel geopolitically informed and much calmer. Thank
               | you.
        
             | hcurtiss wrote:
             | You're presently on a run and pinged HN? No judgment, but
             | that strikes me as notable.
        
               | jen729w wrote:
               | On a run as in an unbroken streak. Of not visiting news
               | sites.
               | 
               | I am not jogging, no. That _would_ be weird.
        
           | azinman2 wrote:
           | My friend was mentioning exactly this. Does a child murder
           | somewhere in the country affect his life? No. Keeping it all
           | in and being angry all the time with no recourse was
           | affecting him.
           | 
           | I think it's still important to be informed, so there's a
           | middle ground.
           | 
           | It seems to me who is president does affect a lot of my life,
           | from abortion, to Supreme Court rules that have majorly
           | affected my life, to war, trade and the economy.
        
             | bamfly wrote:
             | > It seems to me who is president does affect a lot of my
             | life, from abortion, to Supreme Court rules that have
             | majorly affected my life, to war, trade and the economy.
             | 
             | It does--the problem is the value of a single vote.
             | 
             | Odds are very poor--like, single-powerball-ticket-poor--
             | that if you cast a vote for every single presidential
             | election you can in your lifetime, _anything_ about your
             | life or anyone else 's will be even slightly different.
             | It's the _least_ effective vote you can cast--yet seems
             | like the only one people go out of their way to shame
             | people over, if they don 't vote.
             | 
             | The smaller the vote (and, in the special case of
             | presidential elections in the US, the less _stupid_ and
             | _disenfranchising_ the rules) the greater the effect. Even
             | narrowing a close vote by one, if you don 't quite put it
             | over the top, can make a difference at the very-local
             | level.
        
               | Loquebantur wrote:
               | If you don't vote for yourself, somebody else will.
               | 
               | Your idea of "value of a single vote" is grotesquely
               | misinformed. You do not vote to "sway the election" with
               | your grandiose opinion. _You do so in order to inform
               | society of your position._
               | 
               | It's not about "winning over the other side". That's
               | already a ridiculous misrepresentation of society. There
               | is no "other side" to begin with.
               | 
               | Yes, the current incarnation of "democracy" is wildly
               | lacking. But the point is to _improve on it_ , not to
               | throw away what countless generations strived to achieve
               | just because it's not perfect yet.
        
               | humanrebar wrote:
               | > You [vote] in order to inform society of your position.
               | 
               | Except my position isn't well captured by the available
               | candidates most of the time. Sure, I can write in a
               | candidate, but how do I signal why that candidate is
               | acceptable when the other options aren't?
        
               | bamfly wrote:
               | > Your idea of "value of a single vote" is grotesquely
               | misinformed.
               | 
               | Most of my positions on the relative efficacy of various
               | voter behaviors in the US system of government are
               | heavily informed by my having been a poli-sci major in
               | the US, and spending a fair amount of time studying those
               | directly and absorbing expert analyses of them.
               | 
               | Admittedly, some of those are unpopular--people _love_
               | voting for the President (and then ignoring school board,
               | city, and county elections, and not participating in any
               | political parties).
               | 
               |  _shrug_
        
               | Loquebantur wrote:
               | Your idea of being an expert because you majored in a
               | related topic is amusingly misinformed as well. You are
               | kidding yourself.
               | 
               | You need to critically look at how politics in real life
               | works. On the level of presidential elections, the US is
               | no "democracy" in any sensible meaning of the word to
               | begin with. But that doesn't mean, votes there would be
               | unimportant. The last few elections should make that
               | exceedingly obvious.
               | 
               | In small, local elections, your vote has a more
               | transparent relationship to outcomes. _But those outcomes
               | tend to be inconsequential._ Presidential elections are
               | quite the opposite really.
        
               | bamfly wrote:
               | > Your idea of being an expert because you majored in a
               | related topic is amusingly misinformed as well. You are
               | kidding yourself.
               | 
               | Never claimed to be an expert. I'm also not "grotesquely
               | misinformed", unless the bar for "merely misinformed, but
               | not grotesquely" is so high that at least 99% of people
               | are "grotesquely misinformed" (which... IDK, maybe, in
               | that case, I guess?). Not an expert, though, and, didn't
               | claim to be.
               | 
               | I have no idea why people are taking any of what I've
               | written as "voting for President is bad and you shouldn't
               | do it". I must not have written clearly, yet cannot find
               | what's drawing that reaction anywhere in my posts (but
               | maybe it's there and I'm just not seeing it!). I think
               | I've just written about the best use of limited time &
               | attention: smaller, and earlier in the process, is most
               | effective; and how voter behavior instead reflects polar
               | opposite priorities. Everyone voting in every election
               | would, of course, be ideal (I mean, for me, just
               | _certain_ folks voting in every election would be ideal,
               | but you get what I mean).
               | 
               | > In small, local elections, your vote has a more
               | transparent relationship to outcomes. But those outcomes
               | tend to be inconsequential.
               | 
               | I'm going to be blunter than I usually am on HN, because
               | you're in dangerously-wrong territory and I'd hate for
               | anyone to run with this outside of HN, for making
               | decisions about voting or political participation: this
               | is _super fucking wrong_. Local election  & initiative
               | outcomes matter a ton.
               | 
               | I would encourage anyone who doesn't find themselves
               | seeing, very clearly, why, after a few moments' though,
               | to spend some time over a few days looking at _national_
               | headlines--not just the one or two top ones, but a bunch
               | each day--and marking down which levels of government are
               | active in or generating each story (yeah, I know, I
               | advised mostly avoiding the news in favor of books, but
               | this is a decent way to do some informal statistical
               | analysis). And that 's just what makes national news!
               | Consider which levels of government you interact with
               | most. Which police patrol cruisers do you see most--the
               | FBI? State bureau? Highway patrol? Probably not any of
               | those, and I bet that was an ascending list least- to
               | most-seen (while omitting the ones probably see more than
               | any of those, by a large margin--city & sheriff, say?).
               | School budgets and hiring administrators. Which levels of
               | government are banning books? Very-local, or sometimes
               | state. Who's setting library funding, running the closest
               | 20 parks to where you live, hiring the government
               | officials and setting their policies? Zoning rules? Who's
               | running your utilities, or responsible for collecting
               | your trash? There's _so much_ and it _very much_ matters.
        
         | Andrex wrote:
         | It's about focus and knowing your limits, which is always going
         | to be difficult to self-determine. I thought getting rid of
         | streaming services would make me want to read more, but I found
         | other ways to be distracted.
         | 
         | Definitely, humans are not equipped for everything technology
         | is throwing at us. We're pushing up against the limits of our
         | simian biology. Dunbar's number is real.
         | 
         | It's up to each of us to be responsible in choosing how much we
         | expose ourselves to, because the tech companies aren't going to
         | do it for us. Big Tech is the Big Tobacco of the 21st century
         | and they know it.
        
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