[HN Gopher] Azorius 0.1
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Azorius 0.1
Author : hiena03
Score : 62 points
Date : 2023-07-20 15:04 UTC (7 hours ago)
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| the-printer wrote:
| This and Honk are great because they dare to be different
| visually and functionally. Ted's casual criticisms of ActivityPub
| and the federated software that uses the standard are also
| informative. I think that his experience as an OpenBSD developer
| gives his work a different edge and appeal compared to others.
| ebiester wrote:
| I think what _everyone_ is getting wrong is that the key pain
| point to solve is moderation. Solve moderation first.
| konart wrote:
| I knew this was from the author of honk...
| pierat wrote:
| WOTC C&D in 3....2.....1....
| valbaca wrote:
| Cue the Pinkertons
| davidcollantes wrote:
| Would love to see it without having to install it. Is there a
| public running instance somewhere?
| skulk wrote:
| Found one here: https://az1.azorius.net/
| UnixSchizoid wrote:
| If there is more interest I would be willing to host a public
| instance, but it doesn't seem like this is getting the
| attention to make it worth setting it up.
| capableweb wrote:
| Maybe it's not getting the attention because there is no
| public demo instance?
| UnixSchizoid wrote:
| Good point
| appleflaxen wrote:
| Consider r/redditseppuku
| Morthor wrote:
| Curious about the name. Being from the Azores myself.
| ar-nelson wrote:
| My guess is it's a Magic: The Gathering reference.
| riidom wrote:
| While we are at magic: What is the problem of "using
| imagemagick in 2023"?
| [deleted]
| appleflaxen wrote:
| It's explicitly discussed at the end of the post:
| > According to the MTG fandom, "the Azorius Senate mediates and
| regulates the activities of all of the other guilds and of the
| plane despite their numerous decrees being ignored. The Azorius
| Senate are characterized as being aloof, bureaucratic,
| excessively formalistic, and fastidious, spending hours upon
| hours with legal documents and ensuring action, if any should
| occur, stringently adheres to protocol." However, this is
| irrelevant, since azorius is unrelated to MTG.
| [deleted]
| somat wrote:
| I always considered reddit as a "forum as a service". Give up a
| little freedom and we will take care of your forum for you.
|
| And as such I have to admit I was initially baffled where
| federation(activity pub) enters into the equation. as forums
| don't really need federation.
|
| But was stuck in the mental model of the web forum, I think what
| is going on is that this is more like usenet, the ur forum, which
| is pretty cool.
| tootie wrote:
| I don't understand at all what problem ActivityPub actually
| solves. To my mind it's a similar spirit as Blockchain which is
| equally as impressive as it is useless. There are tens of
| thousands of people smart enough to clone the basic functions
| of Twitter or Reddit but features don't make the platform.
| Unless you are a master at digital marketing and can solve
| moderation and monetization better than everyone else, you're
| not going to code a better platform.
| somat wrote:
| With apologies ahead of time because I suspect this post will
| end up as an incoherent rant about capitalism.
|
| So activity pub is the common language of a federated system
| sort of like smtp is the common language of a federated
| system. or html is the common language of a federated
| system(html is strange however as it's transport model is
| inverted compared to the others, it moves the user to the
| message rather than the message to the user)
|
| The reason federated systems work is the same reason
| capitalism works, and not incidentally the reason federated
| systems don't work is the reason capitalism does not work. my
| conclusion is that capitalism is a federated system of doing
| business.
|
| I suspect the main reason federated systems work as well as
| they do is that there is individual ownership over the
| pieces, each person caring for their own piece. Some will win
| some will lose. It is not nearly as efficient as a centrally
| controlled system, but is far better at dynamically adapting
| to changes.
|
| On the whole I think federated systems end up bringing the
| greatest good to the most people, but they can go very wrong,
| mainly this happens when one player gets too big and stops
| playing by the rules.
|
| On the subject of reddit specifically. on one layer reddit is
| just a wep page, it provides the forum discussion pattern to
| people. The web is a federated system, there are many forum
| discussion patterns available on the web. when reddit fails
| to provide your forum needs you move somewhere else.
|
| On another layer, reddits success was in no small part in
| that it provided a sort of ownership over each forum, and
| each owner was responsible for their own forums success, and
| when reddit starts infringing on this ownership it feels like
| something is being stolen from you.(At least I think this is
| what is going on, I have to admit I am only an incidental
| user of reddit and the whole situation confuses me) Where if
| the system were more federated from the start it would be
| more like actual ownership and less like feudalism.
| IAmGraydon wrote:
| It's amazing how far off the mark so many talented coders are
| when it comes to understanding the masses, how they think and
| what they want.
|
| Guys...it's not that hard to do. Stop thinking so hard. Stop
| thinking you know a better way. CLONE REDDIT, just without the
| idiot running the place. It was working great until he screwed
| everything up.
| atoav wrote:
| Reddit the place was great, but it was _because_ of the
| contributers and _despite_ the system.
|
| The network effect is hell of a drug. Most contributers
| are/were there, because it seemed like the most relevant place
| to put their information, and that was because of the other
| people on the platform, not because the system was
| particularily sophisticated or well designed.
|
| Now the reddit design has the advantage that people already
| know it, but on the other hand if you change communities
| anyways why not try a new thing?
| cxr wrote:
| This goes for most "clones" that I see. What's baffling how
| many people set out to recreate something and then completely
| drop the ball on this part.
|
| Worried that you'll lack a way to differentiate yourself from
| all the other clones? Well, don't be, because it's the same
| situation as with Android--every handset vendor seemed to think
| they couldn't possibly just take this free gift and ship it
| stock as-it-comes, since their competitors would come around
| eat their lunch! In reality, nobody else was doing that, so
| being unadulterated _was_ a differentiator. This didn 't seem
| to stop anyone, though, who all went on and poured enormous
| resources into the pursuit of an elusive value-add that in
| reality was more like value-addn't.
|
| So, I agree: JUST CLONE THE THING.
|
| (Still not convinced? Fine, try this instead: start working on
| a stealth clone right now, and then in 6 to 18 months when
| you've reached your goal and the real thing changes which makes
| everyone hate it, well then hey, look at you! You've got
| exactly what everyone wants. Alternatively, if you chance upon
| something that gets shuttered, go ahead and help yourself to
| the abandoned trademark, too. Trademark law is not like
| copyright law, after all; it doesn't last forever--only so long
| as there's someone willing to enforce it.)
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