[HN Gopher] Google Chrome Proposal - Web Environment Integrity
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Google Chrome Proposal - Web Environment Integrity
Author : screenshot
Score : 17 points
Date : 2023-07-18 20:59 UTC (2 hours ago)
(HTM) web link (chromestatus.com)
(TXT) w3m dump (chromestatus.com)
| Klonoar wrote:
| AKA: The shadow war on bot traffic continues humming along.
| michaelt wrote:
| I'm sure it'll also detect ad blockers.
|
| You know, to ensure the 'integrity' of the 'web environment'.
| kevincox wrote:
| Bot traffic? Anyone using Linux will get blocked because "they
| can't be trusted". Only people running an "approved" operating
| system from a billion dollar corporation will be allowed to
| access.
|
| This is already what is happening with SafetyNet on Android.
| For now most applications don't require hardware attestation so
| you can pass by spoofing an old device that didn't support
| hardware attestation but I'm sure that will change within a
| decade.
| charcircuit wrote:
| You don't have to be a billion dollar corporation to become
| Play Protect certified.
|
| Being able to trust the security of a client can protect
| against many attacks and it is up to web sites to evaluate
| what to do with into information that a client is proven to
| be secure.
| jauntywundrkind wrote:
| > _Motivation: Users often depend on websites trusting the client
| environment they run in._
|
| Aka corporations insist on control & want to make sure users are
| powerless when using the site. And Chrome is absolutely here to
| help the megacorp's radically progress the War On General Purpose
| Computing and make sure users are safe & securely tied to
| environments where they are powerless.
|
| There's notably absolutely no discussion or mention of what kind
| of checks an attestation authority might give, other than "maybe
| Google Play might attest for the environment" as a throwaway
| abstract example with no details. Any browser could do whatever
| they want with this spec, go as afar as they want to say, yes,
| this is a pristine development environment. If you open DevTools,
| Google will probably fail you.
|
| It appalls me to imagine how much time & mind-warping it must
| have taken to concoct such a banal _" user motivation"_ statement
| as this. This is by the far the lowest & most sold-out passed-
| over bullshit I have ever seen from Chrome, who generally I
| actually really do trust to be doing good & who I look forward to
| hearing more from.
| prox wrote:
| "who generally I actually really do trust to be doing good"
|
| These are mega corporations and you aren't the client. They
| aren't making Chrome "for you". They are for optimizing for
| Advertisers.
| anaganisk wrote:
| Many Googlers here, hope they are more vocal when Google comes
| up with BS. Rather than when they post a positive blog post.
| warkdarrior wrote:
| How do you, as website owner, protect your users from something
| like this?
|
| https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/451-pypi-pack...
| Asooka wrote:
| You do not, the user is responsible for the operation of
| their device. Most of the time this should be caught by
| whatever malicious software detector the user runs. Also,
| Chrome and Firefox very heavily guard against extensions
| being installed from outside of the usual way, i.e. by
| outside programs.
| dotancohen wrote:
| Why do you, as a website owner, think that it is your
| responsibility to protect your users from mistyping the name
| of Python packages they are installing via pip?
| predictabl3 wrote:
| Lots of people doom and gloom here about threats to user privacy
| and freedom.
|
| This is the one I'd be worried about. Thought it was annoying to
| not be able to use banking apps on a rooted Android? Think about
| how annoying it will be when you can't do much of anything, even
| on the Web, unless it's from a sealed, signed
| Apple/Google/Microsoft image-based OS...
|
| I realize the way Firefox's user share is going, it might not
| matter or they might feel they don't have a choice but I really,
| really hope Mozilla doesn't even remotely consider implementing
| this.
| akomtu wrote:
| I'm surprised the ad corps haven't forked the internet yet:
| special drm-ed websites accessible only via special drm-ed
| browsers. At least it would relieve those who want to share
| knowledge from the presence of those who sell addiction.
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