[HN Gopher] MuseScore 4.1 is now available
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MuseScore 4.1 is now available
Author : em3rgent0rdr
Score : 85 points
Date : 2023-07-12 18:43 UTC (4 hours ago)
(HTM) web link (musescore.org)
(TXT) w3m dump (musescore.org)
| jchw wrote:
| Out of curiosity, what ever happened to all of the drama with
| MuseScore, locking downloads behind a subscription, the Audacity
| acquisition + telemetry debacle? It looks like Tenacity still
| exists in some form, though it does not appear like there is a
| ton of significant activity on it in the last month or so.
|
| Have things cooled down now?
| Reubend wrote:
| While I don't know about the OSS community's stance, I can say
| that most casual users have embraced the new version of
| MuseScore. They added a lot of important features with the
| latest version, and I think most people don't really care about
| the telemetry.
| Tantacrul wrote:
| There is no telemetry in MuseScore 4
| aiddun wrote:
| I use https://flat.io/community/popular/weekly for sheet music
| sharing now - no paywall and all browser-based.
| thih9 wrote:
| Note, this would not be the first open source music app to lock
| downloads behind paywall, e.g. Ardour is known for it:
| https://community.ardour.org/download
| Tantacrul wrote:
| MuseScore desktop (the composition / notation app) has never
| been behind a paywall. This is a mixup with the mobile
| application which is a sheet music viewer that features
| copyrighted scores.
|
| The products are completely separate
| jchw wrote:
| I believe it was the sheet music that was paywalled, not the
| software. That was a bit concerning since as far as I know a
| large portion of it was UGC and some of it even public
| domain, so it was weird to ask for a subscription payment for
| it. At this point though, it does look like they have made
| some amends, though I'm not sure if everyone's satisfied.
| Doesn't seem to matter too much in the grand scheme of
| things, overall, though it was an unfortunate situation to
| watch unfold even as an outsider.
| FireInsight wrote:
| Didn't even know that, always installed Ardour through repos,
| so got the full version as an unofficial build.
| skybrian wrote:
| I think some of this might be avoidable by downloading
| Musescore separately from the larger package they've promoting
| now and not using some features? That's what I do, anyhow.
| _nivlac_ wrote:
| As a fairly casual user, I absolutely love Musescore. Still takes
| a bit of getting used to entering notes if I haven't used it for
| a while, but I am amazed that there is a free app for sheet music
| notation, where I would normally be locked into a paid option.
| The choice to upload to the cloud and play in browser is awesome
| for sharing. Can't wait to see more updates :)
| [deleted]
| deepspace wrote:
| Musescore the software is pretty good.
|
| Musescore the company is a disaster. They took my money for a Pro
| subscription, without delivering the actual benefits. Their
| support organization is, as far as I can tell, nonexistent. After
| six months of trying, I have yet to find a way to get them to
| respond to my request for support.
| TheRealPomax wrote:
| Sounds like it's time to call them out (politely) on twitter
| with a tentacrul at-mentioned. That at least seems to get their
| attention. Unless you already did that in a non-polite fashion
| and got muted, of course.
| l__l wrote:
| If anyone is yet to see it, Tantacrul (on youtube) is now deeply
| involved with MuseScore (UX lead or similar?); he put out an
| awesome vid on the design of MS4 at the beginning of the year:
| https://youtu.be/Qct6LKbneKQ
|
| His video on how Sibelius' UX is a pile of shit remains one of my
| favourite vids on yt: https://youtu.be/dKx1wnXClcI
| Galacta7 wrote:
| I was just thinking of Tantacrul and his amazing videos. I
| can't wait to see his update on Musescore 4.1.
| crote wrote:
| Tantacrul is the former Product Owner - recently promoted to
| Vice President of Product at Muse Group.
| dottjt wrote:
| Hopefully it fixes the MIDI input lag. Still using version 3 as a
| result.
| noahGorski wrote:
| Still using MuseScore 3. Even without the new sounds packs
| enabled, the latency typing notes on a (computer) keyboard is
| still too high. I would rather be stuck with the old version then
| deal with the unsettling 100-200ms lag for every input. It's
| quite an unfortunate trend that so many modern applications are
| neglecting basic UI responsiveness.
| babalulu wrote:
| I've been heavily using MuseScore 4 lately and haven't noticed
| that type of latency on the Linux AppImage. My only gripe with
| 4 is the inability to open multiple scores in tabs. It opens
| them in separate windows instead. It makes closing scores in
| that situation difficult. If you have two open windows and quit
| one of them, both quit. If you instead just close one of the
| scores the window remains open with nothing in it. It seems to
| be a can't/won't fix problem as it has to do with their new
| soundpack system. It's probably the number one gripe users have
| with 4.
| chabad360 wrote:
| It seems that one of the listed improvements is major
| performance gains.
| nh2 wrote:
| Is it known why this is / is there an upstream issue for it?
| TheRealPomax wrote:
| Yeah, and the PR for it is called Musescore 4.1
| Waterluvian wrote:
| I found the app to be incredibly well-featured but ridiculously
| unintuitive. Nothing worked the way I wanted to and I spent half
| my time fighting it when trying to insert notes and such.
|
| I have no background in authoring sheet music so my sense is that
| this is just me and my whole mental model is probably wrong.
|
| Did anyone else experience this? Or did anyone else find it to be
| the opposite: super intuitive and smooth?
| TheRealPomax wrote:
| I hear if you create a 40 minute youtube video on how bad the
| UI is, with a bit of humour mixed in, but mostly valid
| criticism, they hire you as a product manager.
| robin_reala wrote:
| MuseScore is one of those rare open source projects where it's
| obvious that a serious amount of thought has been put into the
| user experience. I only dabble in engraving, but every time I've
| tried to do something more complex the UI has been ready and
| waiting to help me accomplish it.
| wizofaus wrote:
| Arguably WYSIWYG engraving software only exists to provide a
| workable user experience (vs editing lilypond or god forbid
| musicxml notation in a text editor). Having worked a fair bit
| on it and as a regular user of it I'm only too aware of areas
| still in desperate need of a better UI/UX though. Still hope to
| go back to contributing more regularly at some point, though I
| didn't especially enjoy having to regularly deal with the
| foibles of a large complex C++ code base and digging into the
| internals of Qt to figure out weird UI bugs.
| crawsome wrote:
| Their SEO ruined Google searches for music. These non-functional
| demo pages polluting searches for sheet music.
| koromak wrote:
| So Google working as intended
| TheRealPomax wrote:
| The only party to blame for SEO is Google. Everyone else is
| just playing catchup to however they decided to rank pages this
| week. There _are_ other search engines, of course. And no, don
| 't stop using Google, but _also_ start using the alternatives.
| Just using one search engine is doing yourself a disservice.
| bijection wrote:
| For the intrepid, especially those annoyed with the purported
| input-sluggishness of musescore et al, an interesting text-based
| alternative is LilyPond https://lilypond.org/
|
| My dad wrote an opera using LilyPond in vim, though I believe
| these days he's actually doing more with supercollider, which
| skips sheetmusic and goes right to sounds:
| https://supercollider.github.io/
| cardamomo wrote:
| And for the intrepid folks who prefer algorithmic or computer-
| assisted composition, there's Abjad, a Python-based wrapper
| around LilyPond.
|
| https://abjad.github.io/
| sambapa wrote:
| I wanna meet that dad!
| gexaha wrote:
| wow! who's your dad?
| tunesmith wrote:
| I love lilypond as a programmer because I can use git. I have a
| private git repo that has lead sheets for all my favorite jazz
| standards (with my own reharms), notation at various levels for
| my originals, arrangements of songs for my a cappella friends,
| and a cue for a full film score project I did. The output
| quality is amazing, but the best part is I don't have to worry
| about forward/backward compatibility. None of my old Sibelius
| scores are openable anymore without spending hundreds on an
| upgrade, but all my lilypond scores will always be available to
| me.
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